V8 supercar to take on the worlds fastest imports at Superlap [Archive]

Time Attack

30-04-2010, 01:08 PM

Thought you guys might be interested that Mal Rose has now entered the VY V8 Supercar (ex GRM/Valvoline/Bargwanna) that he has run at Nurburgring and Spa in the endurance races in the World Time Attack Challenge at Eastern Creek on May 21st and 22nd.
He will be taking on the fastest EVO Lancers, GTRs, and RX7s from Japan and the USA and Jose Fernandez has entered a Ford V8 Supercar fitted with a 750hp 4 litre turbo engine!! This is gonna be one hell of a showdown!!!
All the info is at the Superlap website which is superlap dot com dot au

Justice R8

30-04-2010, 09:00 PM

I just found out about this from Mal Rose and EJ from Royal Purple. It is going to be huge out there. I am taking the Icebreak Transporter, the VE Icebreak ute racecar as well as the Icebreak promo ute and giving out free samples of Icebreak Ice coffee. Hopefully we will have our new simulators out there for everyone to have a race with there mate with some cool prizes like Icebreak Racing team shirts, team Shoes, Umbrellas, hats and some jackets and I almost forgot, promo girls as well.

So make sure you head out to Superlap. Mals car is an awsome bit of gear and so are the rest. They may be Jap Crap to some people but man they are fast and beautifully prepared. There are quite a few cars from USA and Japan. To give you an idea of how big a deal it is, have a look on the WWW.superlap.com.au website, click the exhibitors section and have a look at how many exhibitors are there and how much space they have, basically the whole pit area is exhibitors so I am assuming exhibitors means lots of people and promo girls.

Any LS1 member that comes out, come to the Icebreak truck or Royal Purple Stand and I will give a free hat to the first 50 LS1 members

Any LS1 member will go into a draw to win a Team Hat, Button up Race shirt, Team shoes (suede), an icebreak racing umbrella and a racing Jacket (if they have arrived, if not I will post it)

So make sure you get around and see the guys at the Royal purple stand, Just look for the Black Mack truck and Icebreak Transporter with the big chrome wheels.

Note guys I have some kids race shirts that can be won as well.

Cheers
Icebreak racing
www.icebreakracing.com.au

GHZ28

30-04-2010, 09:12 PM

At last something to make my trip from Brisbane to Sydney to watch this event worthwhile!

Just about everyone else involved seems to be in Secret Squirrel mode.

Seeya there.

Garry

Justice R8

30-04-2010, 09:17 PM

At last something to make my trip from Brisbane to Sydney to watch this event worthwhile!

Just about everyone else involved seems to be in Secret Squirrel mode.

Seeya there.

Garry

Well there goes my first hat!!

I cant believe how many cars are going to be there that are actual track cars not just show and shine cars which are good too, but some of the cars going out on the track would do very well in the show and shine.

They should bring them V8 ute racing. Then they will see how long a good paint job lasts :)

NuffNuff

30-04-2010, 10:17 PM

the first couple of vids are interesting on their site, that GTR is insanely fast. the hood seems to have a bit of flex.. and just wait till you see the inch gap the windows get at speed

Martin_D

01-05-2010, 05:53 AM

I am taking the Icebreak Transporter, the VE Icebreak ute racecar as well as the Icebreak promo ute and giving out free samples of Icebreak Ice coffee.

Make sure you dont drink it all :eek:
My prediction is ol Mal is going to get his ass kicked :)
See you there, keep my Ice Break VIP seating area reserved :cool:

Animal

01-05-2010, 07:13 AM

See you there, keep my IceBreak VIP seating area reserved :cool:

x2 IceBreak VIP reserved seats now

and no wearing lycra Martin, leave that to the promo girls :D

HSV Listy

01-05-2010, 07:44 AM

I saw a documentry on the superlat on pay TV. Great show and some big hitter cars and insanely fast.
It would be great to see and would be great to go too.

Martin_D

01-05-2010, 09:05 AM

Hey Animal....imagine if Justice broke out that Borat style Mankini..... :spew:
We are all a good looking bunch of Roosters though, so no need to throw stones! :hide:

HazzaHSV

22-05-2010, 05:40 PM

I caught up with Darren (JusticeR8) at Superlap yesterday. Bloody nice truck and team you got there mate!! Insane setup. Thanks for the chat, and free hats :rofl:.

Those simulators were the best I have used at any promo event, helped by the fact they were running V8 Supercars on rFactor, not some arcade console game!

Oh and those time attack cars are seriously quick. The Sierra Sierra EVO from America won today with a 1:32.2. YouTube- Sierra Sierra breaks into the 1:32s @ World Time Attack The drifters were great to watch too.

I also caught up briefly with Dunc and his R35. Was doing really well considering the street tyres he had to use. 1:45 as opposed to 1:40 he normally gets with his race tyres. Car looked fast on the track!

The Ford V8 Supercar with worked 6 turbo motor didn't appear to be there, leaving Mal Rose to fly the flag. The thing sounded nuts, but struggled with grip on the street rubber. Best was around 1:38/1:39.

Eastern Creek sure is a great circuit. Haven't been there since the day I was to compete at Autosalon Final Battle where tragically Judge (Todd Wilkes) passed away.

taztassio

22-05-2010, 07:41 PM

i thought cyber evo got a 1.30.8990?

Blakrok

22-05-2010, 08:48 PM

Times for today are now up on Natsoft. To put it lightly the v8/v6's got spanked!

vhsle5ltr

22-05-2010, 08:59 PM

Times for today are now up on Natsoft. To put it lightly the v8/v6's got spanked!

I'm not surprised! Imagine if V8 supercars weren't a control class. Turbo V8's, bigger wider rubber, massive aero, weight reduction etc. People forget that the V8 Supercars are a controlled class, there is no claim that they are the fastest or quickest or the best handling race cars. They are bloody fast, they are alot of fun and no doubt they would be MUCH QUICKER AGAIN IF THEY WEREN'T CONTROLLED. I'm sick of people comparing everything to the V8's as if they aren't good enough.

Blakrok

22-05-2010, 09:04 PM

Right, so what you are saying is Mal Rose took the wrong car, or a car that was not prepared in the right way to this event.....?

vhsle5ltr

22-05-2010, 09:08 PM

Right, so what you are saying is Mal Rose took the wrong car, or a car that was not prepared in the right way to this event.....?

Not saying that at all. I'm saying that i'm not surprised that someones bazillion dollar, unrestricted, high boost, light weight, high downforce car beat a standard V8 supercar. It's no surprise at all. Whether Mal Wood thought he would could or should win is irrelevant.

vhsle5ltr

22-05-2010, 09:18 PM

Another thing that happens V8 supercars going to the drags and ONLY running an 10 or whatever. That's ****in fast, they are a circuit racecar, they are only 5 litres. So let's get an early commodore, put in trick 308 and run a 10. Now let's take the same car to Bathurst and see how fast it can run down conrod! Lucky to do 220! V8 Supercars are very good for the control limitations which they akll have to abide by. I have no doubt that anyone can buoild a faster car without restrictions.

VX2VESS

22-05-2010, 11:22 PM

Make sure you dont drink it all :eek:
My prediction is ol Mal is going to get his ass kicked :)
See you there, keep my Ice Break VIP seating area reserved :cool:

i agree v8 supercar against the best psssst

besides what is a v8 supercar, some mix match of a real car. bit of a some engine gearbox that looks like a australian car

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 07:33 AM

Right, so what you are saying is Mal Rose took the wrong car, or a car that was not prepared in the right way to this event.....?

Course Mal took the wrong car to the event.....his V8 Supercar was slower than some of the open class cars, which is a class lower than the one he was racing in and 6-7 seconds a lap off where he needed to be. He got handed a stern lesson thats for sure, but an old guy in an old car what do you want? Remember these little four cylinder turbos on street legal tyres are dropping nearly 2 seconds a lap off current V8 Supercars on slicks, so Mal was never going to be anything other than a curiosity or possibly a mobile chicane. Still it brings interest to the event for some that otherwise wouldnt have bothered :lol:

This is why we have control classes, and a locked up format where only a Holden or a Ford can win in their two horse race. Otherwise there would be much much more harsh punishment like this handed out and the only sales benefit would be for Kleenex :eek:

Souljah

23-05-2010, 10:40 AM

Current Qualifying Lap Record: Mark Skaife, Holden Commodore VT, 1m30.6556s, 1999

Current Race Lap Record: Mark Skaife, Holden Commodore VT, 1m31.7301s, 1999

Having to run semi slicks would definently hurt the big barge supercar.

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 10:52 AM

Big barge Supercar is still only 1350kg or so, some 200kg lighter than my EVO X Time Attack car......and remember the V8 Supercar (VE anyway) is some 6 inches shorter than a factory VE. They are a small lightweight race car, not a big barge :)

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 12:36 PM

Course Mal took the wrong car to the event.....his V8 Supercar was slower than some of the open class cars, which is a class lower than the one he was racing in
Lets not let facts get in the way. Mal was only slower than one of the open class cars, as were 6 of the other pro competitors. Did they all bring the wrong cars too? Should they have not bothered turning up? What about Mark Berry, Loftus, Walden, Lucas etc. They also brought the wrong cars, I mean they got smashed by 3.5+ seconds a lap. Would have been embarrasing for the organisers after all the lead up and promoting to only get 6 cars from the whole world to compete in pro class.

Oh and every race category I know of is a controlled formula in one way or another, so no need to bag out controlled formula's. Sure I don't agree with all the rules and regs for V8 Supercar but they are damn quick cars considering the restrictions they have.

Its good to see Mal out did the Fernandez "6T Supercar" too.

PS - Sorry but the V8 Supercar is a big barge by World Time Attack standards. The winning CyberEvo weighs 1060 kilo's which makes it a featherweight in comparison.

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 01:03 PM

A 1350kg race car is not a barge.
V8 Supercars have quite a capable chassis, their mid corner and brakes are great. Their problem is a distinct lack of horsepower due to the restricted engine formulae and low technology guidelines of the series. Single dizzy, control computer, 5000cc, 10:1, 7500rpm, its never going to be a recipe for speed. They should at LEAST allow them to be as high tech as the current Holden road engine, not a throw back to HQ technology.

Would be interesting to see the speed plots for the Cyber EVO, Sierra, and the WRX down the straight versus Mals old Supercar. You would have to be good money on it the four bangers would be producing 200hp - 300hp more than the Supercar and clocking 20km/h faster trap :cool:

Was good that a V8 Supercar turned up, good to put it in perspective :)
And Steve Glenney, hes a gun. It was cool to see him beat the Supercar in a road based EVO. Put 90% of it down to driver though, hes damn good :bow:

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 02:16 PM

A 1350kg race car over 500 or 1000km's may not be, but over one lap, yes, yes it is. Compared with the top cars being a touch over 1000kg. Fact is fact.

Agree with your comments on the V8 Supercar formula. Exactly like I just said, they are damn quick considering the rules they need to stick too (as you say 5litre, N/A etc).

Of course the 4 bangers running unlimited components, and unlimited boost are going to be more powerfull. As you know, its not hard making bulk power from stuffing boost in. It is however, a different story, to make it last for endurance racing which V8 Supercars are designed for. Factor in the 300kg weight difference and skinny tyres, and its not surprising seeing the lightweight's out cornering, out braking, and out accelerating the Supercar.

Regardless, do you still think he and the other Aussie's should have stayed home since they were 4+ seconds off the pace?

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 02:33 PM

Regardless, do you still think he and the other Aussie's should have stayed home since they were 4+ seconds off the pace?

No, of course not it was a great display to show exactly where the performance levels of these cars are. Mals car is probably some old dunger (I dont know its history) so its most likely not a great V8 Supercar representation :)

Now, if the Commodore ran a production sized body shell (not a 6 inch shorter look alike race body) and had an LS3 based engine - even LS7 from the LeMans program, we would all have something to get excited about and it would have some relevance to the cars we can buy :cool:

As much as the top level time attack cars are racers, they are still based on production cylinder blocks, and production body shells, so they are indeed far more 'road' in configuration than any V8 Supercar. You can buy a road car and build in into your own time attack car. Thats got to count for something :)

Veeate

23-05-2010, 02:42 PM

Looking at the Natsoft data i see the fastest time at the Time Attack is 1:30.5.

So for all their high hp, low weight, carbon fibre, unlimited mods blah blah they are only 1sec faster than the V8 Supercar qual record. And a V8Supercar can perform at that speed or close to it over 5,10,20+ laps.

Gotta say i don't see what all the fuss or arguement is about. A 1:30 lap time is bloody fast in anyones language.

All i can conclude is that the fastest time attack car is just as fast as a V8Supercar and none of those cars relate in any way to anything we drive on the street.

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 02:45 PM

Veeate

23-05-2010, 03:10 PM

The fuss?
Time attack cars are on road legal tyres
V8 Supercars are on slicks
Mal showed that a V8 Supercar on road legal tyres loses around 10 seconds a lap :eek:
Thats what the fuss is about.

Personally I think running road tyres is up there with planned airbrushing in the 'good things to do list' They should have let them run slicks and mid 20s would have been there for the taking :cool:

You are the only one making a fuss of it buddy.

Whether the reason is tyres, hp, rpm, weight etc the motorsport fraternity have to be the community with the biggest list of excuses.

Personally just nice to appreciate a different form of machinery within the performance paramaters they have to operate in.

Martin_D

23-05-2010, 03:17 PM

Whether the reason is tyres, hp, rpm, weight etc the motorsport fraternity have to be the community with the biggest list of excuses.

Agreed :)
Yesterday sorted them out :cool:

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 08:06 PM

Now, if the Commodore ran a production sized body shell (not a 6 inch shorter look alike race body) and had an LS3 based engine - even LS7 from the LeMans program, we would all have something to get excited about and it would have some relevance to the cars we can buy :cool:
Agreed, but in the absence of anything like that, good on Mal for having a go in some aussie (barge) muscle.

Mal showed that a V8 Supercar on road legal tyres loses around 10 seconds a lap :eek:
Like you said, you can't take Mal's car and lap around there quite as a true representation of the big boys. For a start, his car is probably more like a Konica car with limited development and setup, and no disrespect but he is probably a couple of seconds a lap off a current fulltime supercar driver. I would say the level one cars/drivers would be 4-5 seconds a lap slower.

ova400

23-05-2010, 08:11 PM

Let not forget Mal didnt build his car for this, if I had one available to me I would have taken it down as Im sure we all would. I dont think he would have thought he would win, blind freddy knew that. As it has been said V8Supercars aren't exactly what this event was about, having a V8supercar got people who followed that interested in coming to the day only to be shatterrred as there belief that they were the best race car in the world was proven wrong.

Now who got pics and videos and where are they......

Blakrok

23-05-2010, 08:11 PM

Mal's car sounded great under braking at turn 2 :)

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 08:22 PM

having a V8supercar got people who followed that... shatterrred as there belief that they were the best race car in the world was proven wrong.
I don't believe that. This was no 'race'. A 300/500/1000km race would have shown the V8 in a different light. And anyone who thought a time attack was a representation of a race, deserve to be disappointed IMO.

ova400

23-05-2010, 09:51 PM

I don't believe that. This was no 'race'. A 300/500/1000km race would have shown the V8 in a different light. And anyone who thought a time attack was a representation of a race, deserve to be disappointed IMO.

Thats what I'm trying to get at, may help when you read it in full. He didn't go there to win it, he was just in it to be in it (from what i gather), then you have the promoters who are just trying to get as many people in, now say v8Supercar vs the world and it will attract those people who have the belief that they're going to see said v8 beat the world and they get more people in and therefore more money in there pockets.

It definately wasn't designed for V8's, it seems there was a few cars with brake issues after relatively short sessions.

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 10:52 PM

No I read it in full the first time. You missed it but what I am saying is, IMO if those people were shattered the V8 didn't beat these purpose built time attack cars, in a time attack, they deserve to be shattered. That's all.

VX2VESS

23-05-2010, 11:12 PM

What are the results?

HazzaHSV

23-05-2010, 11:14 PM

What are the results?
http://www.superlap.com.au

HazzaHSV

24-05-2010, 11:35 AM

IMO if those people were shattered the V8 didn't beat these purpose built time attack cars, in a time attack, they deserve to be shattered.
I was probably being a bit harsh to the non-enthusiast V8 supporters here, as they probably wouldn't have understood that cars are designed and built for a purpose, and outside of that purpose they are not ideally suited.

ova400

24-05-2010, 11:49 AM

We're arguing the same side - V8Supercars weren't what this event was about it was about a sprint type event. Many people in Australia would believe V8Supercars are the fastest race series in Aus, they might be the premier series but most motor racing fans know they're not the fastest. The promoters took the liberty of comparing apples and oranges to get people who thought a V8 would win in the gates.

I know of a couple of people who thought this, in fact I made some money out it with a nice little bet on what car would win

CunningStunter

24-05-2010, 11:49 AM

LOL @ 'Fast' Cars

How much did it cost to do the HKS lap?

Honda NSR500cc (!!!) 2 stroke 1.30.360......

Even the Yamaha R6 - 600cc 4 banger did 1.33.9....

During Masterbike class running OEM Road rubber a few machines seeing 1:35s.....not bad for less than 1000cc, NA, and completely STOCK bikes........

Buy a 2nd hand one for less than 10K for your Sub 1:36 lap - how much to spend on car to get it that quick??

Sorry yes we are comparing bikes to cars is like oranges VS apples, but then this applies also to half of the comments on here in regards to the whole V8 supercar VS XYZ Turbo AWD etc so may aswell play devils advocate :D

vess330

26-05-2010, 10:58 PM

Whilst everyones debating the merits of Mals car dont forget that this car has been more than a respectable performer both over one lap, and not too long ago it performed well in a 24hr race in the Middle East.

Like to see some of these other time attack cars handle hours and hours of racing of end with no respite.

10sec_rx7

26-05-2010, 11:22 PM

Would be interesting to see the speed plots for the Cyber EVO, Sierra, and the WRX down the straight versus Mals old Supercar. You would have to be good money on it the four bangers would be producing 200hp - 300hp more than the Supercar and clocking 20km/h faster trap :cool:

cyber evo made 475hp atw on friday night on 1.2bar boost.. they turned the boost up to 1.6 on saturday to run the 1.30.. so probably low-mid 500hp atw.. some v8 supertaxi teams are claiming over 650 flywheel HP.. so power difference is no where near 200-300hp..

and it weighs 1125kg..

Martin_D

27-05-2010, 06:31 AM

I would be surprised in an old second string banger like Mals bunch of bolts was making more than 440hp at the back treads judging on its performance. There would have to be 100hp in it....for 10 seconds a lap or so, the weight difference is only 200kg :)

Blakrok

27-05-2010, 06:47 PM

Like to see some of these other time attack cars handle hours and hours of racing of end with no respite.They are built for 1 lap sprints to get the absolute fastest lap time possible, not a 24hr endurance race - hence back to my original comment of "Mal brought the wrong car to the track".

By "wrong car" I dont mean that an ex last century v8supercar with an average driver is the wrong make/model I mean it is simply not designed to be a 1 lap car.

vess330

30-05-2010, 03:48 PM

Exactly what im getting at. Mals car is capable of handling a variety of race from sprints to endurance, but a one lap time attack on street legal tyres is certainly not something that it would be perfect at. Not the sort of car you would build to be competitive in this arena... But still, good on Mal for bringing out what he's got and giving it a crack.

Zembonez

29-06-2010, 12:51 PM

I absolutely love the V8 Supercars. We don't get much coverage here in the US, but the series is one of my favorites. SPEED channel here broadcasts a few races.

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a video or DVD series published? Not my intention to push this off topic, but I was hoping this thread might have someone who knew.

My apologies if this is inappropriate.

HazzaHSV

29-06-2010, 01:25 PM

HI Zembones. Every V8Supercar race is available to download through bittorrent a day or two after the race. There is also tons of races from previous seasons and also a lot of classic stuff from the 70's, 80's and 90's.

If you have a decent download quota, its the only way to go.

dawkinsdisciple

29-06-2010, 05:27 PM

i think thats a pretty respectable time mal posted, all considered!

considering how relatively well it did at the nurburg 24hour last year, time attacks definately aren't its thing... plus the run what you brung has a pretty appealing angle to it!

as i understand though, he's had some extra-V8SC modifications to it - displacement is a 6l chev race block not the 5l and suspension is also changed from its V8SC days - have a look under the stats on the webpage

Zebone, if you're having a hard time finding that stuff, PM me and i'll put you onto a mate of mine who works at a store that specialises in that sort of thing

or just torrent it - there'd be stacks of it available on the WWW

Zembonez

30-06-2010, 06:21 AM

smokey777

03-07-2010, 10:24 PM