VE SS, SSV, GXP or Clubsport?

[Pepps]

Hi everyone,

I haven't been on here for a while, a fulltime student now at uni.
Once I'm out I'm jumping straight back into a V8, I cant wait! :smilesandbanana:

Im tossing up which avenue to go down, its a few months off yet but I would love some opinions.

I want to do some work to this car once I get it (or get a car with stuff already done)
Definately want it cammed, and seriously thinking about the option of supercharging it.

Now between the models, I dont know where to go, here are what I think are the positives and negatives:

VE SS

Pros:

- Most likely the cheapest option for car only
- Mods can reap in good power
- Its a V8 :)

Cons:

- Bad resale value
- Shit tailights (easily fixed however)
- Basic brakes
- Non-HID headlights
- Dash is same as SV6

VE SSV

Pros:

- Nice tailights
- HID headlights
- Better stock wheels
- Like the dash
- Moderately good resale value
- Mods can reap good power

Cons:

- Basic brakes

VE GXP

Pros:

- Love the front end
- Love the rear end, clean look
- Brembo brakes (kinda positive, would prefer HSV brakes however)
- HSV Brand
- 6.2L

Cons:

- Povo interior
- Brakes arent as good as Clubsports
- Insurance higher than SS/SSV

VE Clubsport R8/GTS - Second hand

Pros:

- May pick one up at a decent price second hand
- HSV Brand
- Good brakes
- THE TAILIGHTS!

Cons:

- Dont like the front end all that much on the E1's
- Insurance price higher than SS/SSV

Either way, I'm getting a manual and will be doing work to it.
Such as suspension, possibly wheels, exhaust, intake, cam, and as I said, seriously looking down the avenue of supercharging it.

By the end of the year, hopefully there will be a few SSVs floating around the 30k mark, and Ill chuck 10-15k at supercharging it and everything will work out for me! for once..but would love opinions on what people think I should consider or if I have missed anything.

[Shulkor]

second hand ss (there pretty cheap) and use the cash saved and build a nice 408ci to go with your blower? another option anyways.

[GEN4LS2]

charged GTS........:bow::bow::bow: thats what i would do anyway!!!

[macca_779]

Since when do SSV's have HID's...Never. What you mean is projectors. Which is really no big deal.

[Phizzle]

Buy A VZ HSV Clubsport R8

Pros:
Big brakes
Powerful 6ltr engine
can make gobs of power with select mods
cheaper than VE series HSV and cheaper than demo/brand new VE SS/SSV
someone else has already lost the majority of resale for you

Cons:
cops seize your car for doing skids
km's may start getting too high and you out of your comfort zone. Never fear, a check on the service history and general condition of the car will tell if it's been thrashed or not

[XU1_VE6]

SS is the cheapest entry and you can fix most of the things you don't like with the spare change.

GXP looks a treat, the only real negative you can offer up is higher insurance, and not as good brakes as clubby...... however a modified SS will have a higher insurance and ditto for interior complaint.

VZ Clubby for the ultimate in cop bait LOL........ but Great value.

[VYSHSV8]

Why does the GXP have Povo interior its Clubsport interior?????

[jai]

My advice after buying both (new)a VE GTS and now a VE SSV, the extra $35k for a HSV just isnt worth it when buying new.

I purchased a SSV with 1300km on the clock for $44,500, put $2200 worth of pedders suspension in and brought some GTS brakes off this forum for $3000. So for under $50,000 I have a car that actually outhandles the GTS, and has as gooder poke in standard form... and has exactly the same braking capabilities. The 200cc displacement means bugger all, and it sounds exactly the same standard. Putting the ego of a GTS aside the SSV is just as manly I think, and is bloody awesome!

For $30,000 I can live without the fancier front seats, a body kit and badges. (dammit, i miss those led tail lights tho!)

I would do another HSV in a heartbeat dont get me wrong, but the value in the SS and SSV range is pretty darn good!

JK

[deanobhoy]

My advice after buying both (new)a VE GTS and now a VE SSV, the extra $35k for a HSV just isnt worth it when buying new.

I purchased a SSV with 1300km on the clock for $44,500, put $2200 worth of pedders suspension in and brought some GTS brakes off this forum for $3000. So for under $50,000 I have a car that actually outhandles the GTS, and has as gooder poke in standard form... and has exactly the same braking capabilities. The 200cc displacement means bugger all, and it sounds exactly the same standard. Putting the ego of a GTS aside the SSV is just as manly I think, and is bloody awesome!

For $30,000 I can live without the fancier front seats, a body kit and badges. (dammit, i miss those led tail lights tho!)

I would do another HSV in a heartbeat dont get me wrong, but the value in the SS and SSV range is pretty darn good!

JK

I'm willing to bet before the year is out you'll have sourced GTS foams and have them in the SS-V :D

[jai]

I'm willing to bet before the year is out you'll have sourced GTS foams and have them in the SS-V :D

Nah dont think so. The GTS seats arent that supportive anyways, carbon 1 piece buckets perhaps? No electric rails on the SSV so its easy :)

[deanobhoy]

Nah dont think so. The GTS seats arent that supportive anyways, carbon 1 piece buckets perhaps? No electric rails on the SSV so its easy :)

Your obsession with carbon fibre is a bit worrying :D

[Belzey]

My advice after buying both (new)a VE GTS and now a VE SSV, the extra $35k for a HSV just isnt worth it when buying new.



I fully agree with this statement right here - I bought an E series clubsport when they first came out and now have an SSV the only big difference is the brakes (which I plan on changing in the future) and the SSV even has a better interior then the clubby had.. Save your money and get yourself an ss or ssv and mod it a little and you will have yourself a car that is just as good if not better then a HSV..

[BEARWOOD]

Another vote for the SSV. The SS is pretty pov looking inside but if you wanted it purely to mod than the SS would be the obvious choice.

[BECAUZ]

+1 for SSV, even though we all know brakes should be bigger, they are still good brakes for everyday driving with a bit of fun here and there.
Go the SSV even if it were just for the interior!

[iloveholden]

charged GTS........:bow::bow::bow: thats what i would do anyway!!!

What he said....+1!

[lollymanv8]

Here is another option... FG XR6 Turbo! Already has a huffer attached so no need for supercharging. Just need to add the fpv brembo brakes and that's it. A second hand one can be had for around 30k!

[HEKYEH]

Here is another option... FG XR6 Turbo! Already has a huffer attached so no need for supercharging. Just need to add the fpv brembo brakes and that's it. A second hand one can be had for around 30k!

:hide::rofl:

I had the option of the SS, SS-V or the GTS when I bought my car about 2 years ago.

I wanted a leather interior so that ruled out the SS. I also did not see the value or return on investment of spending an extra $30K to get 0.2l more engine capacity and bigger brakes.

Hence why I bought my SS-V.

If you have the money to buy a HSV, get an SS-V and then spend $30k on it (exhaust, cam, supercharger/turbo, brakes) and you will have a car that will annihilate 99% of cars out there.

Choice is yours though :)

[QIKMIK]

I've had a lot of similar thoughts except choosing between a Calias V and a Senator. One of the guys is looking at the difference between the two from a Novated Lease perspective. The Senator has a higher purchase price, higher residual, 20% extra fuel allowance, about the same extra for tyres plus insurance etc for what is essentially the same car with a bodykit, mags and a decent set of brakes. The seats look pretty similar. The A/V system is identical. How much difference does 0.2 litres really make?

As you can see by my ride description, I have a bit of time to wait until my current lease is up so I have some time to think. I 'want' a Senator because that has always been the dream but is it worth the extra over a Calais V? Would a modified (heads, cam, stroker?) Calais V float my boat?

I'm leaning towards the Senator because of the dream factor and I want to keep this next car for quite a while. Gee, Sidey is still running around in the same albeit highly modified VT SS. Who says we can't have old cars?

Mick

[planetdavo]

"By the end of the year, hopefully there will be a few SSVs floating around the 30k mark, and Ill chuck 10-15k at supercharging it and everything will work out for me!"

Hmmm, 50K on a student budget???

[Jman]

Cons:

- Insurance higher than SS/SSV

Cons:

- Insurance price higher than SS/SSV

and Ill chuck 10-15k at supercharging it and everything will work out for me! for once.

Dude, seriously.......you mention twice that a con will be higher insurance for the HSV's and then your talking about SUPERCHARGING it?????!!!!!!

Talk about blowing your insurance policy through the roof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dawkinsdisciple]

My advice after buying both (new)a VE GTS and now a VE SSV, the extra $35k for a HSV just isnt worth it when buying new.

I purchased a SSV with 1300km on the clock for $44,500, put $2200 worth of pedders suspension in and brought some GTS brakes off this forum for $3000. So for under $50,000 I have a car that actually outhandles the GTS, and has as gooder poke in standard form... and has exactly the same braking capabilities. The 200cc displacement means bugger all, and it sounds exactly the same standard. Putting the ego of a GTS aside the SSV is just as manly I think, and is bloody awesome!

For $30,000 I can live without the fancier front seats, a body kit and badges. (dammit, i miss those led tail lights tho!)

I would do another HSV in a heartbeat dont get me wrong, but the value in the SS and SSV range is pretty darn good!

JK

+not sure the no. but yep. got one myself and the only downer for mes the brakes. seriously mate, if you have the cash to splash the HSV's are great but just don't really add up BFYB wise.

FYI, was very very happy to find out that when i renewed my policy, seeing as the car'll be turbo in the next month or so i decided to mention it on my renewal. bumped the agreed value up a coupld of grand and total change to my premium = +$30!!!!!!!

cheaper to insure and own a modified SS/V then a standard HSV too!

[Pepps]

Since when do SSV's have HID's...Never. What you mean is projectors. Which is really no big deal.

You're right, that's what I meant.

[Pepps]

"By the end of the year, hopefully there will be a few SSVs floating around the 30k mark, and Ill chuck 10-15k at supercharging it and everything will work out for me!"

Hmmm, 50K on a student budget???

Yeah, I get a half decent salary when I'm out :)
Can't help myself but buy a decent car, house can wait!

I understand I have mentioned insurance higher in a couple of occasions but a supercharged HSV would surely have to be higher in insurance than a supercharged SS or SSV.

I'm leaning towards the SSV in most cases, as people have mentioned, I can upgrade brakes, suspension etc but I just miss out on the fancy LED tailights which I'd love on the SSV, that would just make it! :D

Is there anyone else here who agrees that the front end of the SS/SSV and SV6 for that matter is better looking than the E1 clubbys? (NOT THE E2 CLUBBY AS I THINK THATS SHIT HOT)

[NuffNuff]

I was in a similar position and ended up getting a manual ve ss with sunroof (rest was the pov interior). And have been very happy with my choice. Slowly building up the car and holding onto it for as long as possible.

Having said that, get a house unless you are fronting up most of the cash for the car. It sucks paying the running costs plus $200 or so a week in repayments.

[steves87]

I was in a similar position and ended up getting a manual ve ss with sunroof (rest was the pov interior). And have been very happy with my choice. Slowly building up the car and holding onto it for as long as possible.

Having said that, get a house unless you are fronting up most of the cash for the car. It sucks paying the running costs plus $200 or so a week in repayments.

Me too.... and agree with all that... :) i love my cars, but i love my houses more :eyes:

[ADAM 26]

when i got mine, i had the choice of a ss, ssv or maloo.

the maloo was out the door, as it was to expencive for a work ute when compaired to the ss and ssv. overpriced for little gain.

found it to be a toss up between a brand new ss, or a demo ssv. they were close in price, BUT, the new ss had nothin on it, just a bog stock ute, with pov interior, but it was brand new. the demo ssv had nice interior, hard lid, tow bar, reverse sensors, projector headlights (which look and work 100 times better than the normal lights).

so it was another $5000 or close to that to get that stuff on the new ss, and it will still have pov interior.

i got the ssv, spent $4500 on springs, shocks, otr, tune, exhaust and rims. and iv got a car with everything i want, near enough to brand new for under 40k.

[Pepps]

Is there a link to known issues with each of the models?

I will decide when the time comes however at the moment I'm still unclear as to which model is better all-round.

[Bingo BIlly]

I would go GXP. 317kw 6.2

Cheapest way into a 6.2

[DCV1NU]

When i was looking for a new car a year ago it was between a vy ss(love the shape of them at the time),ve ss or an 07 ve r8(i was dreaming:lol:), i ending up getting the ssv due to the fact its was already going to be heaps better than my previous car that i was replacing(vr exec v6) & i also got a really good deal on it that i couldnt get on a ve r8 but i'm glad i got it the end as it has everything that i wanted bar sunroof but that's an easy fix & with the money saved i was able to do all the mods that i wanted to do to it.

Put it this way:

Brand new full optioned factory built ssv is rougly $48k(depending on what sort of deal you can get) drive away vs.
HSV Clubsport GXP is $54k driveaway - no options but does have the ls3 & brembo front brakes

I'd still take the ssv any day plus there's cash left over for mods.


p.s - I'd wait til the sept release comes out before you decide as you might get a better deal then.

Edit: Just found this GXP for $50k drive away so it might be worth it http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?Cr=4&R=8586295&keywords=&trecs=2120&__sid=129B2D66E600&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Nne=15&__No=165&seot=1&__N=834 1216 1247 1282 1252 1246 4294965530&silo=1011

[Pepps]

Far out thats a nice deal, don't tempt me! :)
I dont think I'll go brand new however..unless its a really good deal like that one! LOL.

I agree with the VY, that was my favourite shape for a long time...now the VE's are really growing on me.

Is there a new version coming out in Sept? Any links to info on it yet? I won't be buying till Jan-Feb 2011 anyway..fair way away.

[DCV1NU]

Is there a new version coming out in Sept? Any links to info on it yet? I won't be buying till Jan-Feb 2011 anyway..fair way away.

It's an update rather than a new version, have a look @ this thread http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=137815

[Pepps]

Thats kinda what I meant...

[planetdavo]

I know it's not what you want to hear, but TRUST ME, within a few years this EXPENSIVE car wont be worth that much and you'll be looking for another newer car, yet you'll be no closer to owning that house you'll now be regretting not saving for...
Enjoy whatever you buy, but cars are almost always a money sucking pit that gets older, sh!ttier, and worth far less every year.

[SS V8]

Compared to SSV the GXP sedan has to be the winner at this price, 317KW, Park Assist, Brembo Brakes, Boot Net, HSV Floor Mats, Clubsport Interior, DRL's, HSV Individuality and I reckon you could do better as these are advertised prices so maybe $50K cash. :goodjob:

Melbourne's Herald-Sun Friday Cars Guide
Ralph D'Silva Holden Melbourne
Brand New 2010 GXP Sedan $50990 D/A
Brand New 2010 GXP Ute $46990 D/A

With prices like these makes you wonder what it will do come trade-in time for those who paid full price for either SSV or GXP where as R8 and GTS remain high. And since GXP Sedan prices have been reduced some $14000, and stocks at dealers still high, regardless of what HSV may say in the media this limited run idea has failed and won't be repeated.

To those trying to decide which way to go given the minimal upgrade to VE2 this may be the last opportunity to jump onto the HSV brand at an affordable price. :bow:

[Arrow420]

Im kinda in the same boat, Ive been running sums inside my head for months, but now believe going on recent sales, the SSv is a better buy.
You can get an SS for around 27k, pretty standard, but Ive seen a few SSV's for around 30-32k but with a few mods, eg- exhaust, induction, wheels, suspension, plus the better options the ssv have over the standard SS, so for another 5k I know which one I would buy.

[SS V8]

Im kinda in the same boat, Ive been running sums inside my head for months, but now believe going on recent sales, the SSv is a better buy.
You can get an SS for around 27k, pretty standard, but Ive seen a few SSV's for around 30-32k but with a few mods, eg- exhaust, induction, wheels, suspension, plus the better options the ssv have over the standard SS, so for another 5k I know which one I would buy.

Maybe but are they a brand spanker June 2010 build or late 09 run out deals. :confused:

Find me a June 2010 SSV for 32K drive away and yes that would definately be the winner.:)

But if the SSV is any where near the mid 45K to 50K drive away the GXP with it's HSV heritage and standard extras you have to pay for in an SSV surely trumps it.:goodjob:

[blu ute]

i miss gxp by a couple of months. but there is no options on gxp. i wanted leather. if i did it again would get gxp and get a custom leather interior done.
cheers
damo

[Vulture]

I've had a lot of similar thoughts except choosing between a Calias V and a Senator. One of the guys is looking at the difference between the two from a Novated Lease perspective. The Senator has a higher purchase price, higher residual, 20% extra fuel allowance, about the same extra for tyres plus insurance etc for what is essentially the same car with a bodykit, mags and a decent set of brakes. The seats look pretty similar. The A/V system is identical. How much difference does 0.2 litres really make?

Whilst it might be true that there are diminishing returns once you pay for an HSV over an SSV or Calais V, there is still a hell of a lot more different between them than 200cc (LS3 has higher compression also). The HSV has shorter diff, MRC suspension (which is superb on the Senator), 9.5 inch rear wheels, bigger tyres, unique body kit, unique seats and other interior appointments, vastly superior brakes etc.

[255-LS1]

grass will always be greener mate... no matter what car you buy.

buy something that will keep you happy (20-30K) and save for a house.

[redvxr8clubby]

Put it this way:

Brand new full optioned factory built ssv is rougly $48k(depending on what sort of deal you can get) drive away vs.
HSV Clubsport GXP is $54k driveaway - no options but does have the ls3 & brembo front brakes

I'd still take the ssv any day plus there's cash left over for mods.


p.s - I'd wait til the sept release comes out before you decide as you might get a better deal then.

Edit: Just found this GXP for $50k drive away so it might be worth it http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?Cr=4&R=8586295&keywords=&trecs=2120&__sid=129B2D66E600&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decimal|1|| pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Nne=15&__No=165&seot=1&__N=834 1216 1247 1282 1252 1246 4294965530&silo=1011

Someone thought it was a good buy...........sold

[SS V8]

In last weeks Herald Sun Cars Guide Melbourne we saw some great deals on GXP Ute's and Sedans, well this week Melbourne's Booran Holden in Cheltenham has gone even better.:goodjob:

NEW 2010 GXP Sedan in Manual $48980 Drive-Away save $16558
NEW 2010 GXP Ute in Manual $45980 Drive-Away save $11900
NEW 2010 SSV Ute $37980 Drive-Away save $13720

While the saving are more than likely based on RRP (and who pays that nowaday) still exceptional prices given what the Holden range is priced at.

These times are almost as good as the 2008 HSV clearout deals, even if the R8 and GTS's haven't dropped....as yet.
So what are you waiting for ? Ring A.J. on 0409 664 098:bow:

[Pepps]

Whilst it might be true that there are diminishing returns once you pay for an HSV over an SSV or Calais V, there is still a hell of a lot more different between them than 200cc (LS3 has higher compression also). The HSV has shorter diff, MRC suspension (which is superb on the Senator), 9.5 inch rear wheels, bigger tyres, unique body kit, unique seats and other interior appointments, vastly superior brakes etc.

I thought the GXPs didnt get the nice 9.5 inch rear wheels like the rest of the hsvs? They just got the stock 8inch wides all round?

[brentonsav]

In last weeks Herald Sun Cars Guide Melbourne we saw some great deals on GXP Ute's and Sedans, well this week Melbourne's Booran Holden in Cheltenham has gone even better.:goodjob:

NEW 2010 GXP Sedan in Manual $48980 Drive-Away save $16558
NEW 2010 GXP Ute in Manual $45980 Drive-Away save $11900
NEW 2010 SSV Ute $37980 Drive-Away save $13720

While the saving are more than likely based on RRP (and who pays that nowaday) still exceptional prices given what the Holden range is priced at.

These times are almost as good as the 2008 HSV clearout deals, even if the R8 and GTS's haven't dropped....as yet.
So what are you waiting for ? Ring A.J. on 0409 664 098 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting**************0409 664 098******end_of_the_skype_highlighting:bow:

was the manual sedan in voodoo. if so, i actually test drove that before i bought my gts. they best i could get them to six weeks ago was $54k drive away but they were going to get it retrimmed by blackmans in leather which was $2k worth i believe, so $52k.

[brentonsav]

I thought the GXPs didnt get the nice 9.5 inch rear wheels like the rest of the hsvs? They just got the stock 8inch wides all round?

you are correct. the GXP's only get 8" rears.

[Arrow420]

Maybe but are they a brand spanker June 2010 build or late 09 run out deals. :confused:

Find me a June 2010 SSV for 32K drive away and yes that would definately be the winner.:)

But if the SSV is any where near the mid 45K to 50K drive away the GXP with it's HSV heritage and standard extras you have to pay for in an SSV surely trumps it.:goodjob:

Yer mate Im talking more around the 08 models in the ss and ssv, they are more in my price range..

[SS V8]

was the manual sedan in voodoo. if so, i actually test drove that before i bought my gts. they best i could get them to six weeks ago was $54k drive away but they were going to get it retrimmed by blackmans in leather which was $2k worth i believe, so $52k.

GXP Sedan in Black
SSV Ute in White
Althought the ad in todays Melbourne Herald Sun Cars Guide shows the GXP Ute and Sedan have registration XTB-198 and XPF-460 respectively, apparently they aren't registered as yet.:confused:

[brentonsav]

GXP Sedan in Black
SSV Ute in White
Althought the ad in todays Melbourne Herald Sun Cars Guide shows the GXP Ute and Sedan have registration XTB-198 and XPF-460 respectively, apparently they aren't registered as yet.:confused:

Yeh, all the "new" ones I looked at were what I would call very low k demos. All sub 500 but just there for test drives. And because they were a limited run, that would be all that's available. I still think they are very good value for the money but glad I went the way I did.