Sign a petition to stop ADR at Rego for modified Vehicles

[Mainlube]

Hope this isn't a double post.

We all need to sign this :bs:


The NSW RTA is proposing changes to the current registration system for modified vehicles. These changes will mean that the majority of modified vehicles will be classified as individually constructed and will have to comply with the ADR's current on the day that it goes for registration. Please follow the link below and sign the petition to assist us in taking the fight to the NSW Transport Minister.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/37707.html

I've signed

Cheers

Steve

[The Cook]

Signed, I cant not understand why as motoring enthusiast we are targeted so heavily, surly there is better things to be do with these people's time...

[Ryzz]

Hey Steve, have you got a link to some information pertaining to what they are actually proposing? Ive been hunting around with google and while I can find about 20 other car forums all linking to the same petition, i cant find any info about the proposed changes.

[whitels1ss]

Hey Steve, I understand your concern and fully support you but as far as I am aware online petitions to a government authority without full address and personal name and signiture are not worth anything and just a total waste of time. :confused:
Good luck with it anyway! :)

[BEARWOOD]

we need a rally of some sort, probably won't help but it will get some attention. A couple of thousand cars creeping down the freeway in protest to all these rediculous rules they are trying to bring in regarding speed limits and now this might show that there is a few votes in the car scene.

[pmac]

The NSW gov really needs to go. i just hope this idea stays in NSW and doesnt spread to the other states

[moconn20]

A couple of thousand cars creeping down the freeway in protest to all these rediculous rules they are trying to bring in regarding speed limits and now this might show that there is a few votes in the car scene.

that'll just get you more bad rep.

[whitels1ss]

The NSW gov really needs to go. i just hope this idea stays in NSW and doesnt spread to the other states

I reckon it is just as bad here in Rannistan (guys having their cars defected while they eat maccas in a carpark) and we don't even have a track!
I think it is out of control! :flipoff:
Will these Fu*kwits wake up that it is normal behavior for guys to enjoy their cars? :flipoff:
It is not some sort of weird sickness and there is no cure it is normal! :vpo:
Even the Romans used to race their chariots thousands of years ago! :vpo:
Will these idiots ever wake up? :soap:

[VendeTTR]

I reckon it is just as bad here in Rannistan (guys having their cars defected while they eat maccas in a carpark) and we don't even have a track!
I think it is out of control! :flipoff:
Will these Fu*kwits wake up that it is normal behavior for guys to enjoy their cars? :flipoff:
It is not some sort of weird sickness and there is no cure it is normal! :vpo:
Even the Romans used to race their chariots thousands of years ago! :vpo:
Will these idiots ever wake up? :soap:

The ironic thing is, im actually one of those who make the trek to race interstate.. Its all for revenue imo

[bush_basha]

ifs its a dodgy modification, then yes a defect should be issued, I.E cut springs, but if most people spend the cash to have it done properly it should be fine.

[whitels1ss]

The ironic thing is, im actually one of those who make the trek to race interstate.. Its all for revenue imo


I can't stand "Media Mike" I can't relate to a 50 year old guy who can't drive a car and is dubious in so many other ways. :flipoff:
He is certainly on a mission...
He is rocking the boats of too many people and I think he might be sailing in dangerous waters! :flipoff::flipoff::flipoff:

[NuffNuff]

The businesses that do these modifications need to stand up and defend themselves as well as their customers I feel or they could in turn lose business. I know it's for revenue but surely they are pulling the safety message with all this? People get pulled up for mods that improve their safety.

[King Nothing]

I've contacted the author of the petition, here is his reply



The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

To add to the story, over an a hot rod forum the following was posted


This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "


Tony, as far as I know it is for all modified vehicles full registration. From what I'm hearing, modification could mean paint colour change ,wheel change, ride height ect. I'm chasing for more info.........This will affect any car group or club wanting something other than off the showroom floor.

So yes, this appears to be very serious. Potentially something as minor as non-OEM tyres can get you into trouble. Imaging, owning an XY falcon, doing it up over time, then finding out it needs to meet euro IV emission standards to pass? That's what will happen. Please don't ignore this, it will kill our hobby!

[whitels1ss]

Imaging, owning an XY falcon, doing it up over time!

Would you need to fit it with OEM crossply tyres, drum brakes and an AM 8 track player? :rofl:

[King Nothing]

Would you need to fit it with OEM crossply tyres, drum brakes and an AM 8 track player? :rofl:

Not if you finished it under these new proposed rules with a hot (legal) engine.

ABS brakes
EURO IV emission standards
Padded dash
Retractable seat belts
Head rests
Audible exhuast levels
list goes on

If your XY is stock as a rock with crossply tyres, etc, change one thing and you need to go through the above. Same goes for ANY vehicle. 2000 SS with a catback? Current EURO IV standards, etc.

[theVman]

Signed. At the very least there needs to be consultation with the groups affected.

I am all for safety and modifying within the limits of the law but think this is a tad too extreme.

[FAVSSS]

And I bet we get charged for the privelidge.What the pollies just dont get is how big the modified car scene is and how much money is injected into the economy by those of us who enjoy our cars.On top of that the thousands of jobs that it creates.What I believe is needed is to take the pollies on a field trip to the Summernats and just let them see for themselves how much money the modified car scene generates.
Driving use to be something people enjoyed.Now it is becoming more and more a pain in the arse thanks to the ever increasing amount of bullshit rules and regulations being imposed on motorists by governments all in the so called name of safety

[pmac]

I can't stand "Media Mike" I can't relate to a 50 year old guy who can't drive a car and is dubious in so many other ways. :flipoff:
He is certainly on a mission...
He is rocking the boats of too many people and I think he might be sailing in dangerous waters! :flipoff::flipoff::flipoff:

dont even get me started on that piece of sh*t, im supprised the bikies havnt got around to doing a hit on him. hopefully in 2014 the liberals will be in power and the labor fwits will have more time to continue :jerk: themselves

all these stupid laws taking away peoples liberties is the main reason why i want to get into politics, im sick of the governments trying to bubble wrap us and bleading us dry

[vy2ttr]

What a bunch of wankers !!!! If all this shit actually happens looks like I will have two dedicated drag cars .... I wonder If it will effect cars currently registered with mods, or just cars modified and chasing rego after this pile of shit comes into play ??

[poolkeeper]

What a bunch of wankers !!!! I wonder If it will effect cars currently registered with mods, or just cars modified and chasing rego after this pile of shit comes into play ??

Thats what I was thinking, similar to the lowering/raising bullshit they brang in...

[stealth vn]

whats happening to OUR so called free country

[dawkinsdisciple]

dont even get me started on that piece of sh*t, im supprised the bikies havnt got around to doing a hit on him. hopefully in 2014 the liberals will be in power and the labor fwits will have more time to continue :jerk: themselves

all these stupid laws taking away peoples liberties is the main reason why i want to get into politics, im sick of the governments trying to bubble wrap us and bleading us dry

i think we're all waiting for a politician of this ilk. then watch them get in and get systematically drawn and quartered on ACA, other media outlets, other politicians and safety +++ groups like the pedestrians council et al.

its amazing how willing people are to hand over their liberties because people in power tell them it must be so. and yet viewing the legal system the concept seems to have gone completely awry with the liberties and leniency handed to criminals contrasting severly with the restrictions applied to good citizens. we suffer under them where criminals exploit every loophole available to them where they can. it seems to me that criminals are much harder targets, are much more able to threaten the establishment and have a knack for corrupting processes we don't. us on the other hand seem to be a much meeker bunch and the politicians know it and ream who they can where they can to win an extra couple of votes from safety plus suburbia. as someone mentioned earlier, its not the done thing to take the lawmakers on simply if its a dumb law in Australia which leaves us with layer upon layer of bullshit that we can only whinge about. its far from a perfect system that requires a pretty different approach to the current one...

i'd like to know what it is

it makes my head hurt...

[SLY 57L]

Signed.. Not sure what effect this petition will have but surley it can't hurt to let the government know that people with modified cars have a vote also :flipoff:

[Dougy]

Politicans & Bureaucrats do not care about the modified car scene, all they care about is how much money they can rake in revenue from us . They do not take us seriously, thats why they come up with all these ridiculous impostions. They think that we have deep pockets and would be willing to pay and deal with these rules & regulations. They already tax us very highly for the privilige of driving on substandard roads. I think, they want to tax us off the road & hope we would then start driving electric or hybird cars and start riding pushbikes. I believe the only way for us to be taken seriously by government and others is to either get someone from the scene elected to parliament or form a political party.

[King Nothing]

This was posted on another forum from one of the big wigs at Australian Street Rod Federation



Hi Rodders,

I must admit I am not partial to these forums as things can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

I would like to clarify that no information has been withheld from the ASRF Committee meetings with the RTA as mentioned in this and other forums.
It has been well documented that the RTA has been working for several years on a revised version of the Modified Production Code of Practice that we register our vehicles to today. The document that the RTA is working with to replace the Code of Practice is called VSB14 (The National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) a subclause of this document is the National Guidelines for Street Rods. This document is a Technical Document that most States with the exception of NSW and QLD have adopted as Policy. The ASRF has been dealing with the RTA to implement a registration system for Street Rods utilising the Technical Guidelines from this document.

On Friday 2nd July 2010 two members of the ASRF Committee (myself and Darren Abela) met with the RTA, in this three hour meeting several issues were discussed, one of which was the RTA proposed that Street Rods should look at adopting the line of an ICV with exemptions, another was discussed regarding a restricted registration based on the above document with restricted days of road use. The RTA asked that we the ASRF Committee submit a revised proposal considering these options. I am at present finalising our revised submission based on an unrestricted registration scheme. The Committee will review this revised proposal before submission to the RTA.

As mentioned above the RTA is working on the replacement Guidelines and in their wisdom are not looking to implement it as a whole document, we were given a portion of the draft document be it half a page defining what they might classify as an ICV. If implemented this portion this would make most heavily modified vehicles ICV’s, but this is draft document only.
I would like to make a point at this time that the RTA a couple of years ago put VSB14 (National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) out for public comment and to the Working Parties who assisted in the development of the Modified Production Code of Practice we register vehicles to today, (this document was original implemented in 1994) however the ASRF who was part of the original Working Party was not consulted (they were forgotten). This document has been closed for Public Comment for some time now, technically the ASRF or any other party other than the working party have no rebuff on this document, however the RTA have advised they would like our input on any issues in this document. We are still waiting on a complete draft of the VSB14.

Another point raised at the meeting was the implementation of the revised VSI50 (Raising and lowering of vehicles) this has been well documented through the ASRF as the ASRF Committee brokered a deal with the RTA that Street Rods have exemption to this document. The RTA advised that they are looking to implement VSI50 in August 2010 and there will be a grace period.

The RTA also advised that the new Engineering System is hoped to be implemented in February 2011.

On another matter and I hope I am not speaking out of term, but to try and minimise phone calls and people’s concerns that nothing is being done for post 49 vehicles, I am meeting with some prominent car enthusiasts this Friday, with the intent of the group to establish an Umbrella Association for all vehicle registrations (i.e. Street Machines, Vintage & Veteran, 4 Wheel Drives, Modified Vehicles, etc). This Association will not be looking at taking over the registration or administration from these car groups, it is purely for numbers, if a group has issues or needs assistance in registration with numbers backing an Association we can achieve a lot more than each individual group on its own. I agree with some people’s opinions in this forum that things look dark however on a brighter note we have people ready to take the fight, we need to not get confused about these issues, not think some organisation is going to take over the world, we just need to trust and assist those taking up the fight after all we are all motor enthusiast looking to keep what we believe is rightfully ours. Years ago I figured out that it was ok to complain once, but if you want results you need to take action, you need to do it in the right process and in due course to get the right results.

We will keep you informed on further information pertaining to the Umbrella Association.

I would like to remind everybody that the Directors and Committees of the ASRF are Volunteers, no one is being paid for their efforts.

Something to think about when talking to Politicians you talk numbers, the more numbers the bigger the ears open up, Politicians talk electorate (numbers) an electorate is equal to 47,500 voters so if we have 600,000 members under one Umbrella Association we should be able to pull a chair up to the table when needed.

At this point I would like to thank all those who are supporting us in this fight to keep our Hobbies, Passions and Heritage alive.

I hope this has cleared up some confusion.

A couple of points;

- VSI 50 is certainly still on the cards. This was the proposed changes last year about basically making it impossible to lower your car. From what I've read the RTA hasn't really budged at all. The rodders have got an exemption but we are still in it. And from next month, by the sound of it.

- Sounds like a modified car alliance will be starting up soon, similar to the LVVTA NZ (google it).

- Most heavily modified vehicles will become ICVs, and to register will require meeting current ADRs. So forget a turbo conversion. As to where the line is drawn, I'm not sure.

Some more information. Almost every single car on this forum may have to have concessional registration.



Mark, supposedly this was raised at the last NSW D.C. meeting. Reps., Elvis being one of them, had been in discusions with NSW RTA re: this matter.
Was led to believe that the NSW's RTA, wants all new "modified vehicles"( that includes all modified vehicles, not just rods!!)
rego'd after December 2010, to be on "concessional registration". If the owner wanted to, they could try for ICV, but would have to comply with ADR's applicable, at the time of applying for rego. As the ADR's are an ever moving "set of goal posts" ( think electronic stability control, air bags , supplimental restraint systems, to name a few ) achieving ICV status would be almost impossible for the average constructor.
I'm also told they want the final say on registration of a particular vehicle, not just the current, engineer- blue slip- rego set of steps.
As I prefaced this with "supposedly", I would like to say I hope I'm wrong, and will be delighted to be so.
However I have a, "not so good feeling" about all of this, because we have been through all of this before, a la early '80's from memory.

[whitels1ss]

Signed.. Not sure what effect this petition will have but surley it can't hurt to let the government know that people with modified cars have a vote also :flipoff:



I agree but one problem is that they are trying to look "green" and keep all the tree huggers happy, both at home and overseas. :flipoff:
They don't think that it is cool to support petrol head yobbos! :flipoff:
(And that is how they see us!)

[dawkinsdisciple]

if this rubbish makes its way north to QLD i will be more then a little peeved having just initiated my turbo install... thanks for the extra info king nothing.

i'll be the first to put my hand up if one of these guys gets a modified car group happening

petition signed

[seedyrom]

From my reading of that it would seem it is more aimed at "street rods", in order to try and not have a 6.2L powered hotrod with all modern drivetrain and electrics, still being classes as a 1932 Ford Tudor.

I don't have too much of an issue with that.

[the big fist]

I think seedy is spot on.
There was a big article in street machine about imports and how they were banning the import of cars post 1989. wait for it.....i know that is a current rule..BUT that means if you have hot rod say 32 ford replica then it is classified as an ICV in that case is NOT pre 1989. This was going to apply to ANY vehicle modified from standard. So you could buy a mint dodge charger with non factory paint and not be allowed to import it.

Probably something along those lines.

[King Nothing]

From my reading of that it would seem it is more aimed at "street rods", in order to try and not have a 6.2L powered hotrod with all modern drivetrain and electrics, still being classes as a 1932 Ford Tudor.

I don't have too much of an issue with that.

I can see your point, and to a degree agree with you. But the problem is, from what I understand the regulations aren't written to apply to street rods, they are just aimed at them. The focus or interpretation could easily change as, as far as I know, it's just written about modified vehicles.

An example (I may be wrong so correct me if I am):

There are laws governing the private importation of vehicles. An aspect of these laws was introduced, as people were importing reproduction muscle cars from the states, putting in 350 chevs, 302 windsors etc and registering them as 1960/70s cars, even though technically they are a new car as the shell is new. A perfect example are cobra kit cars, they need to meet ADRs. Somewhere in there the year 1989 is important, not sure how it first started.

Now the law itself hasn't changed, but how it's been interpreted has. Now you cannot register a privately imported car with ANY MODIFICATION WHATSOVER, unless you can prove the modification was made prior to 1989. That means that if you try to import a mustang, camaro, etc with even aftermarket brakes, you will find it next to impossible to register.

So these laws, as they are being sold, may not affect modern car enthusiasts as the focus is not on us. But there is nothing stopping them changing the focus.

As an aside, VSI 50 (the lowering restrictions) are going to be reintroduced to parliment next month. From what I understand, hot rods on special registrations have been exempt, but otherwise the standard is nearly unchanged. It will be effective from next month, with a grace period until December 2010. After that you will need an engineers certificate to do any suspension modifications that result in a +-50mm change. Beyond that will be illegal.

[moconn20]

Potentially something as minor as non-OEM tyres can get you into trouble.
That is a ridonkulous suggestion.

[BEARWOOD]

whats happening to OUR so called free country

It's dissapearing slowly and we have alot of dogooders and greedy people to thank for it. It's a free country, just as long as you do what we say.

[VYTonne]

Until I see a decent white paper on this will treat it as it is.
:bs:
I can see however some substance though if it deters some imbecile with a weapon off our streets well it can't be all bad. But No I will Not sign some BS petition only to fall on some State NSW Govt Def ears atm Thankyou.
Had I a decent modified vehicle to run both on our Streets & the Strip would not mind paying a premium for it.

Cheers
VYT

[BECAUZ]

Until I see a decent white paper on this will treat it as it is.
:bs:
I can see however some substance though if it deters some imbecile with a weapon off our streets well it can't be all bad. But No I will Not sign some BS petition only to fall on some State NSW Govt Def ears atm Thankyou.
Had I a decent modified vehicle to run both on our Streets & the Strip would not mind paying a premium for it.

Cheers
VYT

All the proof you really need is that if its coming from the RTA and it sounds far fetched and absolutely insane then its almost 100% real.

Wake up to yourself mate. Saying your willing to pay extra money just to drive your "modified" vehicle on the road is basically calling yourself an illogical moron:goodjob:

[VYTonne]

All the proof you really need is that if its coming from the RTA and it sounds far fetched and absolutely insane then its almost 100% real.

Wake up to yourself mate. Saying your willing to pay extra money just to drive your "modified" vehicle on the road is basically calling yourself an illogical moron:goodjob:

WTF who do you think you are Pal, it's my opinion & have every right to voice it as you. :flipoff:

Cheers
VYT

[BECAUZ]

WTF who do you think you are Pal, it's my opinion & have every right to voice it as you. :flipoff:

Cheers
VYT

I think im a CHAMP :rofl: easy tiger, you seem a little aggressive.

I believe your view is flawed and with absolutely no logic,unless you enjoy adding to the coffers.Would you like a warm cup of milk and come cookies to make you feel better?

[VYTonne]

I think im a CHAMP :rofl: easy tiger, you seem a little aggressive.

I believe your view is flawed and with absolutely no logic,unless you enjoy adding to the coffers.Would you like a warm cup of milk and come cookies to make you feel better?

Not a "Tiger" @ all Son but can see why you have a problem.:eyes:

Cheers
VYT