VE 4.11 Diff Gears

[BEARWOOD]

Just after some feedback from anyone who has put 4.11's in a manual VE. Any problems,noises or regrets? Who done the job and what sort of $$$ these days?
Whats 1st gear like?
When i put 3.9 in my VZ ute i was a little dissapointed so hoping not to make the same mistake again.

There doesn't seem to be much feedback from people with them.

[cookie_ssv]

also in for answers on this.. also highway what revs at 110 ish??

got a 3.7 diff as my old diff is now missing 75% of the planetary gears... and finally finished fitting it at work today, very noticeable difference but would love to know what 4.11's are like..

i'll be keeping my old housing and will start building a 4.11 diff when i get some money together..

[ls2GTS]

hi guys i just put 4.11's in my VE M6 and ill let u kno how it goes when i get it back. but my cousin also has them in his ve ss M6 and he says that they are fine and u get to use the 6th gear more. ill keep u posted when i get my car back

[planetdavo]

I'm thinking you'll barely use 1st, but you'll use 6th more. Does that really make it worth the spend by changing which 5 gears you use...?

[BEARWOOD]

Thats kind of strange way of looking at it.
In gear acceleration is more what i'm after, more instant power if that makes sense. With the cam i'm guessing it will put me in the powerband quicker but i don't want 1st to become redundant like you think it will.
It will be good to get some real feedback of you blokes after you put them in. Who in Sydney is doing them cause thats where i'll be getting it done in a few weeks if i decide to do it.

[planetdavo]

Thats kind of strange way of looking at it.
In gear acceleration is more what i'm after, more instant power if that makes sense.
It's only "strange" because you want them, and don't necessarily understand the point being made.
If you make 1st gear so short you suffer from serious traction issues or it lasts about 1 second, what's the point, really?
No doubt it will impress a few people that think they are in a race car, but is it genuinely that practical with VE gearing in the real world?

[bonners]

Speak to Dioxide guys. He has them in his VE SS

[6.2L.Club]

I'm thinking you'll barely use 1st, but you'll use 6th more. Does that really make it worth the spend by changing which 5 gears you use...?


It's only "strange" because you want them, and don't necessarily understand the point being made.
If you make 1st gear so short you suffer from serious traction issues or it lasts about 1 second, what's the point, really?
No doubt it will impress a few people that think they are in a race car, but is it genuinely that practical with VE gearing in the real world?


What's strange is your giving your opinion where it's not asked for, you have no experience in buying, installing or using the gears so how about you let guys who have comment.

I too have been looking at this path and have bought an old diff to build with a trutrac and 4.11's so l would like to read genuine comments. not opinions.

I'm usually quite willing to hear what you have to say davo but this is one thread you will just get flamed for talking crap.

Things like rolling mass such as big wheels and big brakes CAN and DO affect the drivability of VE's and every vehicle, diff ratios help offset this


hi guys i just put 4.11's in my VE M6 and ill let u kno how it goes when i get it back. but my cousin also has them in his ve ss M6 and he says that they are fine and u get to use the 6th gear more. ill keep u posted when i get my car back

Would be interested in going for a drive with you to compare notes mate if possible, would be good to get a hands on fell of the ratio (you driving of course :lol:)

[AD07]

It's only "strange" because you want them, and don't necessarily understand the point being made.
If you make 1st gear so short you suffer from serious traction issues or it lasts about 1 second, what's the point, really?
No doubt it will impress a few people that think they are in a race car, but is it genuinely that practical with VE gearing in the real world?

Why is it "strange" that someone would want an opinion on something they are interested in doing to their car ???
I think the point being made is that it :sucks:.......

[planetdavo]

To correct an ignorant post, I have experience with both a VT running a wide ratio box, and a VZ running a close ratio box with 4.11's. The gearing was simply a joke in first, but would no doubt give little boys a wet dream thinking they are in a racecar running near zero flywheel.

[6.2L.Club]

To correct an ignorant post, I have experience with both a VT running a wide ratio box, and a VZ running a close ratio box with 4.11's. The gearing was simply a joke in first, but would no doubt give little boys a wet dream thinking they are in a racecar running near zero flywheel.

And your experience with a VE running 4.11's????

ZILCH, ZERO, NONE

:feedtroll:

[planetdavo]

And your experience with a VE running 4.11's????

ZILCH, ZERO, NONE



So, having driven two different cars running two different gearbox ratios with 4.11's isn't good enough for you, just because they werent a VE? Perhaps you need to clarify whether it needs to be running 18's, 19's or 20's to be a correct answer...:lmao:
And I thought school holidays were over. :rolleyes:

[ls2GTS]

Would be interested in going for a drive with you to compare notes mate if possible, would be good to get a hands on fell of the ratio (you driving of course :lol:)

sure thing mate my car should be dynoed this week i think saturday and i should have it next week so we can organise to catch up and go for a drive :)

[QldKev]

I must be missing something. So many people say 3.9 is ok, but compared to the 4.11 is way revvy unusable etc
= 3.9/4.11 = 0.95%.. Doesn't seem like that much difference

QldKev

[cookie_ssv]

anyone know how to recalibrate a ve speedo for different ratio's? tech 2 cant do it and general reprog via tis2web cant.. is it something a tuner needs to do or?

[markone2]

VE Maloo Cam only A6 300rwkw , 5K TC , 3.7's fitted for 12.2 , immediately ripped out and replaced with factory supplied diff gears quick smart for 11.7+ 117mph no other changes made on the day.

That A6 is a fuc*456789*,kin nightmare compared to the tried / true / very dated ...but ultra honset A4 imho


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[mustanger]

anyone know how to recalibrate a ve speedo for different ratio's? tech 2 cant do it and general reprog via tis2web cant.. is it something a tuner needs to do or?

Your Tuner will be able to re calibrate your speedo...:teach:

[SirNemesis]

We're talking about manuals today markone2...

Wouldn't 4.11's in a VE equate to about 4.44's in a pre-VE T56? That would be a bit extreme...

[VYSHSV8]

So, having driven two different cars running two different gearbox ratios with 4.11's isn't good enough for you, just because they werent a VE? Perhaps you need to clarify whether it needs to be running 18's, 19's or 20's to be a correct answer...:lmao:
And I thought school holidays were over. :rolleyes:
FARK OFF you dip shit and get back to your lappy ordering parts

So you have had a car with this and that and what other mods have you had????


I have a VX a VY and Now a VE

VX with a 383 with 3.9's wish I had 4:11's in it its also an Auto
Vy cammed etc etc with 3:9's in it wish I had 4:11's Manual wish it was also the VZ close ratio box
and a stock VE Brand new Manual mods to begin shortly and I wish it already had 4:11's:):):)

[VYSHSV8]

We're talking about manuals today markone2...

Wouldn't 4.11's in a VE equate to about 4.44's in a pre-VE T56? That would be a bit extreme...

that would be spot on for a cammed up Manual around town nicew and easy to drive around in carparks and comfortable on the road:):)

Me want now:):)

[DioXidE]

I have 4.11s in my maual SS-V

1, 6th gear at 100kph is just under 2000rpm, which is great because overtaking doesn't require changing gears down to 5th or 4th, just give it some gas in 6th and away you go...

2, I don't do a lot of highway driving, my average speed on my dash is like 30kph and i average around 14l/100kph so I didn't notice much of a fuel change.

3, 6th is more useable! I can sit in 6th gear at 75kph and its win, great economy for lower speed areas.

4, Hill starts in 1st are easy too, again, lots of round town driving and stop start makes it really easy to drive.

5, Its really really really really fun to drive when you are giving it a hoon, it basically converts it into a close ratio manual box!

6, It cost me $1500 drive in drive out fitted, with new bearings and speedo corrected...

7, Did I mention its fun to drive?

If anyone is in brisbane and wants to come for a drive etc just let me know! Ive always had diff gear upgrades in rwd cars and its the best bang for buck I rekon! My old VK, VN VP all had 4.11 gears!

[GazzSS]

Its not worth going any lower than 4.11s hey? I heard the VEs come stock with something close to 3.9s... this is that right?? Im looking at 4.11s to would anyone reccommend any other mods to go with the gears?

[VYSHSV8]

Its not worth going any lower than 4.11s hey? I heard the VEs come stock with something close to 3.9s... this is that right?? Im looking at 4.11s to would anyone reccommend any other mods to go with the gears?

manual from memory comes with 2:92's :)

I guess I should go check 1 day

[DioXidE]

auto ss is 2.92
manual ss is 3.45
manual hsv is 3.7

[VYSHSV8]

auto ss is 2.92
manual ss is 3.45
manual hsv is 3.7
Couldn't remember what they were but that just says it all 4:11's sound like the go then :):)

The wife drives the car once set-up for detailing all day through town and I wont be able to keep my hands of the engine so it will need 4:11's

[ls2GTS]

Wouldn't 4.11's in a VE equate to about 4.44's in a pre-VE T56? That would be a bit extreme...

i think it equates to 4.56's someone told me that the 4.11's in a VE is around the 4.56 mark pre-VE

[ls2GTS]

The wife drives the car once set-up for detailing all day through town and I wont be able to keep my hands of the engine so it will need 4:11's

if you want to come for a drive etc just let me kno and ill come up. also anyone else in the perth area thinking of doing 4.11's, willing to help :)

[calais-346]

i think it equates to 4.56's someone told me that the 4.11's in a VE is around the 4.56 mark pre-VE

I don't understand what you mean? They both have 1:1 ratio in 4th gear, it depends on which gear you are comparing?

I find the gearing tall even in first(manual) and think that it really needs 3.7's or lower....much easier on the clutch when launching such a heavy car from a standing start too

Most people would either do the ratio change for racing, where you want to cross the line at a specific rpm in 4th depending on the tyres being used, or to make 6th gear more usable on the road after a cam change.

[ls2GTS]

I don't understand what you mean? They both have 1:1 ratio in 4th gear, it depends on which gear you are comparing?

I find the gearing tall even in first(manual) and think that it really needs 3.7's or lower....much easier on the clutch when launching such a heavy car from a standing start too

Most people would either do the ratio change for racing, where you want to cross the line at a specific rpm in 4th depending on the tyres being used, or to make 6th gear more usable on the road after a cam change.

i think in the pre-VE t56 gearboxes the ratios are different im not 100% sure. i changed from my stock 3.7's to 4.11's we did this to make the 6th gear more usable and for when we take it down to the track.

[calais-346]

mm6 pre ve, m12 ve and some vz, different ratios every gear except 4th is a little shorter in the m12, mostly noticable on the 3 - 4 shift as theres a larger gap then pre ve...thats where i really hate it, i'm goin 3.7's or 4.11's just not sure which yet

[RED R8]

if you want to come for a drive etc just let me kno and ill come up. also anyone else in the perth area thinking of doing 4.11's, willing to help :)
Who in Perth did yours mate ? And how much coin ? Cheers
Daz

[macca_779]

i think it equates to 4.56's someone told me that the 4.11's in a VE is around the 4.56 mark pre-VE

Yep its about that. Hence I'm a firm believer that you would have to be crazy to fit 4.11's in a VE or preVE with an M12. Unless of course your very underpowered and for some reason need such short gearing.. Can't think of any VE V8's that fit that description

[ADAM 26]

i have 22 inch rims on my ute, and if i put gears up around the 3.9-4.11 mark, it would be fryin the tyres all over the shop, not that it would be a bad thing, but for a car thats on the street 99.99999 percent of its life, i dont see the point in loosing time turning tyres when you could be gripping up and driving away.

but, my old vx with 4.11 and spool was bloody fun, the tyre joint loved me, i was there every second week gettin new tyres. but it made it super responcive, but was very hard to hook up on the street, unless i ran et drag radials. then it would snap drive shafs instead! lol.

if you want to turn tyres, get 4:11!
if you want to hook up and run good times, maybe the 3.7s would be the hot ticket.

[ls2GTS]

Who in Perth did yours mate ? And how much coin ? Cheers
Daz

hey mate SCM race engines did mine and ill find out for u how much they were as i havnt got the car back yet.

[Djbarnstar]

So where are you guys getting the 4.1's from? Which shop / Supplier that is?

[GazzSS]

I Run 22s too Adam... so you wouldnt recommend 4.11s then??

[smokey777]

FARK OFF you dip shit and get back to your lappy ordering parts



dickhead alert :rofl:

[VYSHSV8]

dickhead alert :rofl:

are you laughing with me or calling me a dickhead????

If so calling me a Dickhead is the wrong move or are ya working for PD and trying to gain some browny points;)

When you can actually post an informative post that actually means something then you can criticize people until then go back to school and learn something or till you can fit a cam and the associated mods to a car to run an 11 and I mean doing everything yourself:)

[smokey777]

so it annoys you if im calling you a dickhead? but its fine for you to abuse others? im not on here to get brownie points with PD or anyone. ive done my own cam, head etc (not in car i have now). ive even built my own engines yrs ago but too lazy now & not enough time so i pay money. and no i havnt done an 11sec 1/4 (my hero) i havent even been down the 1/4 ever in my life. but would love to for the fun of it but im looking forward to some circut racing as well. i just hate coming on here & see childish people who think if ya aint done 11sec 1/4 built ya own motor ya treat someone like shit people like that should be on a wanker forum like streetcommodores

greg

[6.2L.Club]

i just hate coming on here & see childish people




dickhead alert :rofl:


and that isn't childish :confused:

:weirdo:

[BEARWOOD]

Seems like theres a few people interested in doing the gear change but like me are unsure if it's what they want. Theres a few posts that give some info but theres more posts with opinions, which is ok as it makes you think about the negatives as well. Some more real feedback from those that have done it would be good, even if anyone has swapped to the HSV 3.7's as that might be an option but worried the difference would be minor. Who in Sydney is recomended?

[tomholzy]

wat about 3.9's...

[DioXidE]

Seems like theres a few people interested in doing the gear change but like me are unsure if it's what they want. Theres a few posts that give some info but theres more posts with opinions, which is ok as it makes you think about the negatives as well. Some more real feedback from those that have done it would be good, even if anyone has swapped to the HSV 3.7's as that might be an option but worried the difference would be minor. Who in Sydney is recomended?


What more feedback do you need???

[REDHOTLS1]

so it annoys you if im calling you a dickhead? but its fine for you to abuse others? im not on here to get brownie points with PD or anyone. ive done my own cam, head etc (not in car i have now). ive even built my own engines yrs ago but too lazy now & not enough time so i pay money. and no i havnt done an 11sec 1/4 (my hero) i havent even been down the 1/4 ever in my life. but would love to for the fun of it but im looking forward to some circut racing as well. i just hate coming on here & see childish people who think if ya aint done 11sec 1/4 built ya own motor ya treat someone like shit people like that should be on a wanker forum like streetcommodores

greg

Mate I think you might find VYSHSV8 is just getting annoyed with the same people posting up comments with no experience with the thread title.

Just been through this when someone asked about A4s with 4.11s - same people different thread, filled with their opinions with little or nil facts and experience.

[Wonky]

I must be missing something. So many people say 3.9 is ok, but compared to the 4.11 is way revvy unusable etc
= 3.9/4.11 = 0.95%.. Doesn't seem like that much difference

QldKev

Miscalculation! It's the percentage increase that counts e.g. 0.21/3.9, which is almost 5.5%, still pretty negligible but may be enough of a straw to break the camel's back.

[belly]

..........

[BEARWOOD]

What more feedback do you need???

From other people who have done it. Your about the only one who has done what i was asking about and posted so it's not really alot of info. Would you do something just because 1 person done it and said it was good or would you like some more opinions? Everyone rubbed themselves over the 3.9's when i had my VZ but i didn't think it was that good after doing it. I have to rely alot on others feedback and thoughts because out here we don't have alot of modified VE's and i don't know anyone that has the 4.11's.

[belly]

BEARWOOD, I'm running the HSV LSD with 3.7's in my VE Calais V. Harrop Blower as well, I know, it's a 6 speed auto, not a manual so not as relevant I suppose, picks up really quick, I personally would go above this for street use, but that's me.

[Djbarnstar]

I Have just ordered 4.1s for my VE.

Will be going in this week.

I previously had 3.9s

Will let you know the verdict............

[belly]

Sorry, I re read my post 2 above, I personally Wouldn't go above these for street use.

[6.2L.Club]

I spoke to a company in WA that has been doing the 4.11's, they said they have had mixed results with noise, some have, some haven't had noise :confused:

[BEARWOOD]

I Have just ordered 4.1s for my VE.

Will be going in this week.

I previously had 3.9s

Will let you know the verdict............

I didn't think the 3.9's were available for VE. Will be good to hear how you go with them.

The noise is a big concern for me and thats something i want people to comment on after they put them in.

[CalaisRider]

I spoke to a company in WA that has been doing the 4.11's, they said they have had mixed results with noise, some have, some haven't had noise :confused:


Yeh I have A6 with 3.7 atm. Was wanting to go 3.9 but not available through my normal shop - I see others on this thread that do have 3.9s on a VE.

Asked about 4.11 (which I think is a tad too high for A6 with a bit over 300 rwkw) and was told that they do em but going by past fitments they can be noisy. I hate diff noise with a passion.

[HYMEY]

My customer had diff noise with aftermarket 4.11s in VZ which are made by same company that does the VE 4.11s.. Harts fixed it no issues.

As for VE's. Ppl think first will be too low with 4.11s, But car still will manage over 60km/h in first no problems,

Remember the M12 is a wide ratio box. For those with motorbike experience with bikes with wide ratio boes. The best way to fix this is to drop the gearing all of a sudden the rpm drop between gears drops in half,

M6 VEs biggest issue is a 1.5:1 third and 1:1 fourth so you wanna be making big tq at 4000rpm because the car will be pulling from there hence top end mph will suffer, with 4.11s the rpm reduction from third to fourth is much lower.

So who cares if u do have to start in second? the reduced 2nd to 3rd and more importantly 3rd to fourth rpm drop is what is most important, so basically as dioxide says the 4.11s makes the VE box feel like a close ratio which is exactly what the L98 heads need,

Mine are getting ordered tomorrow for my new combo, I will def need a closer ratio!

Clint from Harts has a customer that launches in second at 7000rpm and crosses the line in fourth on the limiter, so only 2 gear changes, clean start and the rpm always stays on top off peak tq.

[youngrushhour]

Hey, guys, a G8 GT owner from America here. We have had zero luck finding gears for our cars and I was wondering where you guys are getting the gears for the VEs with the A6s? The only real option we have is to either do a rear swap from a Camaro or an Australian rear for our manual G8 GXPs.

I'd really like to find 3.91s or 4.11s for the car and I see some of you guys posting about gears for the VEs.

It seems every lead we've had in the US has kind of fizzled out. Any help from you guys as to who makes them over there would be greatly, greatly appreciated.

[bonners]

These guys make the 4.11 gears.

Hart Transmissions
Unit 5 132 South Pine Road
Brendale, Australia, 4500
QLD

Phone: (07) 3881 2644

[youngrushhour]

These guys make the 4.11 gears.

Hart Transmissions
Unit 5 132 South Pine Road
Brendale, Australia, 4500
QLD

Phone: (07) 3881 2644

Do they have an email to contact them through at all? Probably easier on the phone bill, haha. Thanks a lot, though! I'll give them a call if they don't have an email address, obviously.

[Wonky]

Do they have an email to contact them through at all? Probably easier on the phone bill, haha. Thanks a lot, though! I'll give them a call if they don't have an email address, obviously.

I just Googled and couldn't find email for them. :( Hopefully if you ring they can give you one - very few businesses don't have one these days.

[DioXidE]

contact Hi-Torque Performance on the Gold Coast, they did my 4.11 gears..

[youngrushhour]

Contacted a few places now. Thanks a lot for the tips and such, guys. Hopefully I can score a set of gears for the car now!

[whi739]

I no this abit of an old thread but just wondering how everyone with the 4.11 diff gears in there ve's hav been goin, like if they are still using them or got to much and has gone down to 3.7's etc. also wondering on 1/4mile results from them, like if the helped heaps or to much wheel spin, as i hav a very large cam and need to b crossing in the power. already hav the 4.11's at the shop just not sure if to put them in or not...

Thanks

[1R8_HSV]

Seems there is a couple of these threads going so I will cut and paste...

I recently put a set of 3.9's in my m6 ve clubby. When cruising in 4th at 60km/hr, the car is revving about 300rpm higher than before. Does this sound right? It's quite subtle and I guess I was hoping for more.

Cheers

Ben

P.S Relevance to the topic is because I'm thinking of switching to 4.11's.

[smokey777]

ya it'll rev even higher with 4.11s

[1R8_HSV]

ya it'll rev even higher with 4.11s

Thanks mate. What I was actually getting at is, is it revving enough? I thought there would be more of an increase.

Cheers

[Wonky]

Seems there is a couple of these threads going so I will cut and paste...

I recently put a set of 3.9's in my m6 ve clubby. When cruising in 4th at 60km/hr, the car is revving about 300rpm higher than before. Does this sound right? It's quite subtle and I guess I was hoping for more.

Cheers

Ben

P.S Relevance to the topic is because I'm thinking of switching to 4.11's.

It's all just simple ratios. For example to see what rpm you would do at any speed with a diff ratio change just do [new rpm] = [old rpm] x new ratio/old ratio.

For example from 3.9 to 4.11 is: [4.11 rpm] = [3.9 rpm] x 4.11/3.9. You will actually increase revs by 4.11/3.9 = 1.05 i.e. only 5% which is nothing........... :(

Going from 3.7 to 3.9 you only increased by 5% too - it's a wonder the place who did it didn't tell you it was hardly worth doing. Maybe they just wanted you to come back and request 4.11s so they made more money??? :confused:

Going from 3.7 to 4.11 is actually an 11% increase in rpm (not 5 + 5 = 10%) as it's a cumulative effect.

[DioXidE]

FYI - 4.11 gears aren't that strong.

I broke my set after 6-8 months and now back to hsv 3.7's. A mate broke his 4.11s in the clem 7 tunnel, put in another set and now they are ****ed as well..

[smokey777]

Is it worth goin from 3.46 to 3.73?

[1R8_HSV]

It's all just simple ratios. For example to see what rpm you would do at any speed with a diff ratio change just do [new rpm] = [old rpm] x new ratio/old ratio.

For example from 3.9 to 4.11 is: [4.11 rpm] = [3.9 rpm] x 4.11/3.9. You will actually increase revs by 4.11/3.9 = 1.05 i.e. only 5% which is nothing........... :(

Going from 3.7 to 3.9 you only increased by 5% too - it's a wonder the place who did it didn't tell you it was hardly worth doing. Maybe they just wanted you to come back and request 4.11s so they made more money??? :confused:

Going from 3.7 to 4.11 is actually an 11% increase in rpm (not 5 + 5 = 10%) as it's a cumulative effect.

Hi Wonky, thanks for the info mate, all very clear to me now.

Yeah I'm not sure why they recommended 3.9's either, perhaps because for them at the strip 4.11's are too much? Id hate to think it's a scam for repeat business as I have spent money there way a few times now and thought we had a good rapport going. To be fair, I did do some research and it seemed most thought 4.11's were too much.

Anyway thanks again.

[whi739]

FYI - 4.11 gears aren't that strong.

I broke my set after 6-8 months and now back to hsv 3.7's. A mate broke his 4.11s in the clem 7 tunnel, put in another set and now they are ****ed as well..

thats no good to hear mmmmm, is there a certain brand that is breaking easy or ?....and does anyone no of stronger 4.11's

[SAMCRO]

Is it worth goin from 3.46 to 3.73?

Mate I'd go for 3.9 at least. I had ve ss with 3.4 and a cammed ve ss with 3.7 and I can tell you that it's not worth you spending your $$$$. Go for 3.9 if not 4.11
Like Wonky said 5% difference is fark all.

[macca_779]

IMO anything over 3.7 in these cars is to much. You'll need to select 3rd just to hit 100km/h FFS


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[Blown 540]

IMO anything over 3.7 in these cars is to much. You'll need to select 3rd just to hit 100km/h FFS


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yep , cant understand the 4.11 thing

its all power related though

if you have none go 4.11 (makes you feel good inside)

if you have some go 3.9

if you have more than some go 3.7

if you have lots go an auto

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[smokey777]

Well i have 302rwkw but i use ute for lots of trips bris-adel for example so want good highway so thought 3.73 was good trade off plus its 90k round trip to work now lol