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Anyone have one or any info/impressions they can share?
Have searched with little success, thanks guys!
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I'd say they're good , 190kw :goodjob:
Do a search for cross 8 or AWD .
Take one for a test drive .
More curious about owning one and if they have any inherent issues ;)
Even searching "awd" there's little specific information.
Moving to the country at the end of next month and a Cross 6 makes all kinds of sense on paper, thanks for the reply!
Martin_D
22-08-2010, 11:06 AM
We have tuned a few on our AWD dyno with good success. Will dig up some dyno results for you :)
We have tuned a few on our AWD dyno with good success. Will dig up some dyno results for you :)
Thanks Tuna, looking at one in your neck of the woods, if I go ahead I'll drop by and say hi :D
Martin_D
22-08-2010, 11:20 AM
I would rather you said "I will drop by and get it tuned!" :lol:
They do actually tune up a treat, we got 150kw at all four wheels out of one that had an exhaust, which is only - just - off the pace of an LS1 Adventra :cool:
More curious about owning one and if they have any inherent issues ;)
Even searching "awd" there's little specific information.
Moving to the country at the end of next month and a Cross 6 makes all kinds of sense on paper, thanks for the reply!
Well , I'm from the country and they're the best choice for the country .
4 seats , AWD , half decent ute tray , you can put a flat try on if you want ,
some say they're a bit cramped in the back , I say i have a heap-o room behind the seats .
and with the 16 inch rim you can put on a more aggressive tyre
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_grabber_at2_ci2_l.jpg
dude you'll be drinking rum in no time :goodjob:.
I would rather you said "I will drop by and get it tuned!" :lol:
They do actually tune up a treat, we got 150kw at all four wheels out of one that had an exhaust, which is only - just - off the pace of an LS1 Adventra :cool:
LMAO part of the "Plan" is to have an AWD Dyno at the new place so sorry it'll just be to say hi :D
Very impressive numbers!
Well , I'm from the country and they're the best choice for the country .
4 seats , AWD , half decent ute tray , you can put a flat try on if you want ,
some say they're a bit cramped in the back , I say i have a heap-o room behind the seats .
and with the 16 inch rim you can put on a more aggressive tyre
http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/general/ge_grabber_at2_ci2_l.jpg
dude you'll be drinking rum in no time :goodjob:.
I'm looking at a one tonner version not the Crewman as it'll be my DD and I have 12 acres so AWD+Tray will be useful, original plan was to buy a VE Ute but I wrote off my Project/Toy last month so have to replace that as well so have had to rethink the budget somewhat!
ti0350
22-08-2010, 07:54 PM
My mate has cross 6 and hasn't had any trouble with it at all and he gives it heaps..
mickeyVX350
23-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Tuna - was this a 6 you tuned??? I have a CX6 Adventra that might need to visit you! (on LPG)
My mate has cross 6 and hasn't had any trouble with it at all and he gives it heaps..
Thanks for the post, haven't heard anything bad other than being a bit heavy on fuel, plan to either buy one on LPG or have it fitted so that shouldn't be a problem.
mickeyVX350
25-08-2010, 09:37 AM
You'll love LPG. I drive a LOT of K's and my run from Bairnsdale to Ballarat is usually 1 tank, or $30 for 400K.
Around town I use about $7.50 of gas a week.
RABSP
25-08-2010, 09:50 AM
You'll love LPG. I drive a LOT of K's and my run from Bairnsdale to Ballarat is usually 1 tank, or $30 for 400K.
Around town I use about $7.50 of gas a week.
Any power difference?
mickeyVX350
25-08-2010, 10:37 AM
According to the installers, with SVI I shouldn't lose any power, and get near the same economy. I can confirm that this is completely crap!
There is a loss in power, and you get about 350-450(that was BEST) K per 54 litres. The 'quality' of the LPG seems to make a difference too.
I do get annoyed at the rate I have to refill with gas though, and usually end up using fuel to complete the trip.
But, I have to admit, the saving on the hip pocket makes up for all of the failings.
Bought a local Cross6 :)
Pick it up at the end of the Month once I'm in the new place.
Does anyone know how the CrossTrac system does the Torque split Front/Rear?
Welcome to the club :goodjob:
Cross Trac AWD System
Cross Trac is a permanent, traction control-based AWD system which utilises Automatic Brake Differential (ABD) software and Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD).
It has a rear wheel drive-biased torque split (38 per cent front, 62 per cent rear) for maximum flexibility and stability.
At least 1800 calibration variables determine the wheel control strategies for all common driving scenarios.
There are hundreds of thousands of possibilities where Cross Trac will determine the optimum amount of torque split to provide maximum traction.
Strength and Durability
Thanks for the welcome :)
Just curious about how they do the bias, ie: Centre Diff or Multiplate clutch?
If it's electronically variable or done via mechanical means?
Pretty happy to get the One Tonner as I didn't realise they made them and a CrewMan just isn't right for me ;)
Martin_D
05-09-2010, 11:44 AM
Here is a real life measurement of the Torque Split of an Adventra on our AWD Mainline Chassis dyno. Its nice and consistent across the runs :)
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/holdentorquesplit.jpg
Thanks Martin!
Are there any control parameters that can be tweaked in the ECU?
Bit of an Update!
Picked up the Cross6 1 tonner last week and am loving it!
The trip home was torrential rain and if I had been in the XF I'd have pulled over and waited it out, x6 made it easy!
Wired up the electric brake controller and did a test tow with the big trailer and it just shrugs and goes even accelerating up the big ass hill in my road (XF busts it's ass even unloaded)
Done a couple of 1000 Km's already only "con" is not the best build quality but I can live with that and will eventually correct and squeaks/rattles as I go.
:bow: the headlights they have to be the best "stock" lights of any car I'f driven, I have to do a couple of trips to Melbourne this week to collect a Tractor and scissor lift so will see how well it tows on the open road then.
I can fully understand why Holden never released it as a V8 crosstrack 1 tonner there's no way a Coupe 4 would be able to out run it :)
Gone is the ugly thumping/harsh no traction ride of the old tonners!
Tow's great once you accept the fact it likes to rev :)
Bit disconcerting having it kick down to 2nd at 100 Kmh then happily hold 5000 rpm till you hit the flat again, this thing must have a serious pair of diff gears in it, 110 = 2100 rpm.
50L fuel tank is a bit of a limiting factor, anyone doing a liquid LPG setup for these engines?
AllWheelSlide
13-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Thanks for the welcome :)
Just curious about how they do the bias, ie: Centre Diff or Multiplate clutch?
If it's electronically variable or done via mechanical means?
Pretty happy to get the One Tonner as I didn't realise they made them and a CrewMan just isn't right for me ;)
The transfer case should be same as the Addy. Its by a company called New Venture, and the Model is NV124GM, essentially its the same as what BMW used to use in their Xi series. There are no clutches or chains its basically a C&P setup, agricultural, reliable and effective. Its a strong unit and a short look on the interweb will turn up some info, but not service manuals etc. As already stated 68, 32 split front and rear.
Just drive it and enjoy it!
The transfer case should be same as the Addy. Its by a company called New Venture, and the Model is NV124GM, essentially its the same as what BMW used to use in their Xi series. There are no clutches or chains its basically a C&P setup, agricultural, reliable and effective. Its a strong unit and a short look on the interweb will turn up some info, but not service manuals etc. As already stated 68, 32 split front and rear.
Just drive it and enjoy it!
Thanks for the info, I'm thoroughly enjoying it and have clocked up a couple of 1000 Km's this week!
Amazed how competant it is off road, I drove it up the hill at my place in the pouring rain to check the header tank and it didn't get sketchy at all until I stopped and restarted and even then not a sign of getting stuck or losing it's grip on the world!! (very steep hill)
warlobo
17-10-2010, 06:52 AM
I would rather you said "I will drop by and get it tuned!" :lol:
They do actually tune up a treat, we got 150kw at all four wheels out of one that had an exhaust, which is only - just - off the pace of an LS1 Adventra :cool:
I've had two LS1 Adventras done with exhaust and intake only and they got 220kw (at wheels) and use around 12-14/100km no idea why anyone would bother with a 6? Not happy dyno's either, they were different ones and friends have silimar results, one even gets 10/100 on the hwy cause he drives on cruise at the speed limit.
warlobo
17-10-2010, 06:57 AM
"I can fully understand why Holden never released it as a V8 crosstrack 1 tonner there's no way a Coupe 4 would be able to out run it"
What do you mean by that? Towing with an LX8 is great, having done many trips interstate etc, no chance a 6 would be any comparison thats for sure, the torque difference would be huge.
"I can fully understand why Holden never released it as a V8 crosstrack 1 tonner there's no way a Coupe 4 would be able to out run it"
What do you mean by that? Towing with an LX8 is great, having done many trips interstate etc, no chance a 6 would be any comparison thats for sure, the torque difference would be huge.
I mean that the Cross6 1 tonner is so much lighter but being AWD wouldn't suffer the traction issues of old Tonners when you add a V8 and being lighter with traction would out perform the Coupe4 Monaro's and we couldn't have that now could we ;)
Update on the x6, I rolled my Tractor yesterday and used the Crossy as the anchor point to winch it onto it's wheels again, no big deal I hear you say BUT where I rolled the tractor is damn hard to get into (hence the roll) and the tractor in 4wd was having trouble, the Cross just drove in and out with minimal fuss/bother, I :bow: this car!
(I also have an L98 sitting here that has 800Km's on it from my last project car)
Couple of things I've moticed with the X, The Trans seems much more active on CC than when driving with the pedal, also it doesn't seem to kick down as hard when in a corner at speed on Cruise, not sure if this is by design or I'm just having imaginitus :D
Cut down a bunch of Trees yesterday loaded them on then drove up to where I rolled the Tractor on the weekend parked on the angle dropped the side then gave the trees a small push and off they rolled!
So damn easy!
AllWheelSlide
21-10-2010, 06:49 PM
Couple of things I've moticed with the X, The Trans seems much more active on CC than when driving with the pedal, also it doesn't seem to kick down as hard when in a corner at speed on Cruise, not sure if this is by design or I'm just having imaginitus :D
So damn easy!
In general it is standard to hold a gear longer under load on CC esp. when going up hill than when using pedal.
As for the kick down in a corner - can't say.
:bow: My Cross6 so much I bought it a playmate ;)
I have my 700Km old L98 sitting in the shed so I have a plan!
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog00.jpg
Oh , you have the 1 tonner tray back Cross 6 ,
I thought you bought the Crewie Cross 6 tray back .
You should be able to re tune it to 190kw or more .
You've got hills , try this ,
apparently the Cross track system has a built in hill decent feature ,
where if you idle down a hill it will limit it to 5kph .
With some decent tyres it'll go anywhere .
I just ordered a set of Dunlop M3'S in 245/50r18 , a bit more grip and a bit more height .
http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/100923/924r2/7877e72_20.jpeg
Very aggressive tires there XUV!!
Found the Hill decent feature by accident (well didn't know it was doing it but have been in that situation a few times here and it's brilliant, very controlled and poised even in sloppy mud!
Only "scare" I had was when it understeered then decided to lock up and slide towards the Tank near the house, managed to pull it up then thought "How The F**k do I get it out of here as it was blocking the access for the tractor....
Put it in reverse pulled a click or three of handbrake and backed it out no fuss no bother!
The tentative "plan" at this point is to swap drivetrains between the 2 cars so I'll have a low Km V6 Adventra and a very low Km V8 AWD 1 tonner, I'll decide after that if it needs any go fast parts to make it a fun play car, it's HUGE advantage is it's so light, I'll ditch the Steel Tray and build a small lightweight Aluminium one to replace it.
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Anyone reading this that knows please jump in, is there any difference between the PCM's from V6>V8 or is it just a flash/engine harness?
Parked the Cross6 beside the Adventra yesterday and was surprised to see that the Crossy wheelbase is 250mm longer and overall about 400mm longer :confused:
Would have picked it the other way around if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes!
Explains why the Cross6 is so stable on fast fireroads (it drives like it's on road) Had a play around with the Wagon on a dirt track and it's going to take some getting used to as the front pushes a lot compared to the Ute.
Anyone reading this that knows please jump in, is there any difference between the PCM's from V6>V8 or is it just a flash/engine harness?
Yeah I know Gay self quote/bump but figure someone out there has to have an idea on this and it'd help to find out now before I start dismantling the 2 cars for the swap...
Any help would be appreciated thanks guys!
Late last week I took the X6 on it's first interstate run :)
Plan was to go across to SA pick up a part then head back the next day, plans change and I needed to be back in Melbourne the following morning so after leaving home around 8:30am I did a quick turnaround and headed back out that afternoon figuring if I got too tired I'd find a Motel on the way back and sleep.
Car was smooth and comfortable on the trip, only gripe was less than good economy/small fuel tank resulting in a slight miscalculation and a detour to a town large enough to have 24 hour fuel, got in at 2:30am then up again for the 120Km trip to Melbourne!
All in all very impressed with the car as it has NONE of the Old 1 Tonner neg traits (You'd have to have been insane to take a HQ/Z Tonner on a 18 hour trip)
monaro327
06-12-2010, 02:23 PM
a tune should really help the economy of the alloytec.
a tune should really help the economy of the alloytec.
It's on my list of things to do when it's swapped into the Adventra :)
The_Senator
06-12-2010, 06:24 PM
It's on my list of things to do when it's swapped into the Adventra :)
Who does tunes for the Alloytec's in the trust Adventra's? I thought it could only have basic settings changed - 'cause none of the tuning software really had much done for the Alloytec's...
I know i'd love to get a little better in the fuel economy and poke department...
Who does tunes for the Alloytec's in the trust Adventra's? I thought it could only have basic settings changed - 'cause none of the tuning software really had much done for the Alloytec's...
I know i'd love to get a little better in the fuel economy and poke department...
Still having trouble getting anyone to answer this sort of Question Sen, also haven't been able to pin down anyone that's used both of the big2 tuning solutions to get an honest opinion which is better.
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x6 Update!
Was going for a wander into the bush yesterday and noticed a Neighbour had sunk her Territory off the side of her drive......
Cruised in and offered to pull her out, she declined saying it was her Hubby's fault and he'd pull it out when he got home, I asked what he drove..... a GOLF :rofl: like that was ever going to work!
Laid out some strap so I could get up onto the hard packed part of the drive and gently extracted her no fuss no bother did it like a champ!
Small update!
Finally got around to swapping in a new water pump on the Wagon, figured I'd get it registered before I make a start on the tonner so I have a nice DD.
Stripped the old parts yesterday, it was seeping from the weep hole and the gasket/seals were stuffed, fitted the new one this morning in the cool along with a pair of accessory belts filled it with fresh Zerex coolant so it's just waiting on a replacement rear muffler then can go for a RWC.
Adventra is booked in for a RWC tomorrow then Rego Monday morning, drove it to town yesterday on an UnReg Permit to test the work done so far and all good :D
Bit surprised that the Cross6 shares the same Diff ratio's, wondering if that's an AWD Front diff limitation or are there other ratio's available?
The Whale passed the RWC no probs at all, Driving impressions now I've put some KM's on it, more roll than the Titanic compared to the Cross6 Tonner but looking at the roof line no surprise there.
MUCH better equipped than the Tonner being a higher specced car to start with, LS1 just plain shits all over the V6 in every way, Trans mapping in the V8 is much more sensible without the kick down to 2nd at 100KMH on hills of the V6.
Once it's registered Monday I'll make a start on the L98>Tonner swap :D
Looking at the views people do read this but it feels a bit like I'm talking to myself at times.....
Ran the Whale down to the city today to have a few things sorted, the LS1 actually gets better highway economy than the Cross6's V6......
Same Diff ratios so same rpm/kmh.. this is a touch "sad" considering the Addy is a 200k KM engine and the V6 has 60k on it..
Ahh well bodes well for the upcoming 6.0L Transplant!
It's registered :D
The Addy has turned out to be an awesome deal considering what I paid for it and what it's cost me to put on the road!
Strick
17-01-2011, 06:50 PM
Just read all your thread mate, good to see the plans you have. Are you still going to put the AWD system into the tonner?
Just read all your thread mate, good to see the plans you have. Are you still going to put the AWD system into the tonner?
The Tonner is already AWD :D
The Plan is to pull the v6 and replace it with a 700 Km old L98 I have here from the last project.
dogsballs
17-01-2011, 07:31 PM
this should be fun!!
The L98 has a 2Bar Map sensor in it "just in case" ;)
Strick
18-01-2011, 09:31 AM
ah i read it wrong. Nice one, will be quite a weapon and great out in the country.
ah i read it wrong. Nice one, will be quite a weapon and great out in the country.
Should be a blast I live inbetween 2 state forrests and there are fireroads everywhere!
Just wiring the Addy for my phone and some trailer brakes today.
Extra mass in the Whale makes it a great tow car (ignoring the 2x fuel consumption at cruise) ;)
At 110kmh you don't even know it's there, fitting the hands free and electric brakes has "fixed" my Trac....
Got a bud at Holden chasing up the parts I need for the 6.0L>Tonner swap, I want to run it over a weighbridge before I start, then again at each major change.
Yesterday/Today!
The boys were up yesterday so we took the Whale for a fireroad blast :D
Got back and left it parked a bit nose down, it was vomiting coolant :(
It was low 30c here and we had been going fairly hard at high load low speeds but still...
Pulled the Rad cap and noticed 0 pressure, topped up the Coolant and it did it again after a few minutes run time...
Took the cap into the shed and blew some pressure into it and it farted like it was working, I then washed it off and blew air into it with my mouth and it had 0 seal...
Trip into the parts store in town yielded 0 new caps so it was a trip down to a Holden dealer to collect one, first thing I noticed was the extra valve in the base of the cap that some genius had removed!!
What I think happened is the Water Pump was pissing coolant when I bought it and so they could drive the car for repairs/get rid of it the "genius" removed the valve to stop the cooling system pressurising.
New cap and all is well!
(my "guess" with this car is they took it in for repairs got quoted some stupid amount and as it's a company car the lease would have been up so they sold it off to trade, I then snapped it up at a stupidly low price as a parts car)
Tonight!
Ran the Whale down to Melbourne for a meal out with the boys!
As a direct comparison to the Cross6 it's quieter, smoother and so much more effortless, this is NOT to say the Cross6 is bad in any way (other than economy/power from the V6) just that the Whale is that much better :D
Just need to crank the low beams up a few degrees so they're NOT pointed at the road under the bumper and it'll be sweet!
Today!
Seriously cool set of adjusters on the Low beams!
(Keeping in mind I came from 13 years of high end annoyingly complex expensive impossible to work on Jap cars)
Strick
30-01-2011, 07:37 PM
Good to see this project moving foward. Maybe you should get this moved to the my ride section, may get more people involved!!!
Thanks for the post, Should be fine where it is I'm happy for it to be a bit under the radar ;)
I have 2>3 weeks work in the machine shop now I have it all installed then another week or so building a Mezzanine,shelves and racks then I'll make a start on the Cross 6, really pleased with the Addy it's a brilliant car and a perfect DD for up here.
I found a good description of how the Transfer case actually achieves it's torqe split so I no longer have to pull one of mine apart to work it out!
I'd really like a TrueTrac/Quaife diff in each end of the Cross6 but I have to see if I can find one that will be a direct fit (it's a ZF Diff I believe so there should be something either BMW or Merc available)
Rear diff is easy as I'll be running an Adventra IRS in the rear.
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/lsx027.jpg
Finished up modding the lightweight (220+Kg's lighter than the Steel tray) Al Tray for the Tonner and have been stockpiling the parts needed for the V8 swap and educating myself on the electronics required.
Plan at this point is an E38 PCM+ HP Tuners, what I do need if possible is a good detailed pic of a V8 VZ engine bay so I can order in the parts that differ to the V6.
Have searched online and can't find anything useful, my Adventra is a VY so pretty useless for comparison.
http://members.optushome.com.au/ubermod/prog011.jpg
More pics,
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog001.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog002.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog003.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog004.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ianj/prog005.jpg
michaels1v8
09-03-2011, 08:50 AM
Nice car dude should be a fun drive when it's finished.
Looks like a fair bit of work ahead of you so best of luck with it all :)
Nice car dude should be a fun drive when it's finished.
Looks like a fair bit of work ahead of you so best of luck with it all :)
Thanks Michael, it's all pretty much a bolt on job so not too stressed about it and compared to some of the past projects it'll be a walk in the park!
I was a bit off put by the Cross6's weight as I'd been mislead by the Rego papers....
Turns out in stock form it was 40Kg's heavier than the Adventra :confused:
Big bonus with it though will be a very low CoG once it's dropped and the wide track "should" make it very stable for track days.
Tossing up shortening the wheelbase when I install the IRS as it's built on the Crewman wheelbase so a good deal longer than the Adventra..
Some VZ V8 engine bay pics would help right about now if you've seen any around?
AllWheelSlide
09-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Probably need to clarify are you after pictures of an L98 in a what (ie. Any or Adventra or...) VZ engine bay or just after a v8 VZ Adventra engine bay (which incidentally only ever was LS1). For your purposes I suspect L98 in any VZ.
Probably need to clarify are you after pictures of an L98 in a what (ie. Any or Adventra or...) VZ engine bay or just after a v8 VZ Adventra engine bay (which incidentally only ever was LS1). For your purposes I suspect L98 in any VZ.
Good point! ;)
At this stage just about any VZ/V8 pics would be useful, I think I have the L98 differences nailed ie: PCM on the Strut Tower and so on but I'm not quite sure on a bunch of the small parts in the bay.
(VZ Adventra pics would be useful as I have a bunch of detailed VY pics for comparison)
So far on the List is Pwr Steer Hoses,Heater hoses, Coolant recovery tank, Radiator Cover, Air Box, and of course a PCM.
I already have the Sump, Bellhousing, L98 Loom and a Cross8 Body loom if it's actually needed.
I'm off to my Holden Dealer on the other side of the world in the morning to look through the EPC and order anything else I need for the swap.
nickh
10-03-2011, 03:08 PM
great read mate
Can i ask wat the cx8 wagon owed you (i have an idea as well) ive been looking at car sales and seem to hang around the 10-12k mark.
cheers
great read mate
Can i ask wat the cx8 wagon owed you (i have an idea as well) ive been looking at car sales and seem to hang around the 10-12k mark.
cheers
Bingo Nick, picked it up for 12k (seen em go for a lot more than that but depends on the K's)
Been faultless since I bought it, only thing it needed for the RWC was a rear wiper motor.
(I want your Monaro) ;)
AllWheelSlide
10-03-2011, 06:45 PM
Sorry for the quality - dark shed and mobile phone.
LX8 VZ Adventra
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb373/Gooz4/CarPics/EngineBay.jpg
Thanks AWS!
So the PCM is down on the rail like a VY?
Is it only the VZ 6.0L cars where it's up on the Strut Tower?
I was looking at the Body loom in both cars today it looks like I will be changing it for the Cross8 one.
AllWheelSlide
10-03-2011, 07:03 PM
Yeah on a the rail, exactly the same as a vy. Afaik main differences between vy and vz were cosmetic, electronic throttle body, exhaust, tune, air box, toughened auto and a few small things like cable isolators.
Always struck me as an ugly place to mount the PCM, the 6.0 Loom puts it up on the Tower but I've read a few posts where people bring it inside behind the kick panel so I'll look into that as well.
Thanks for your help in this!
Today!
Did the trip across to my Holden guy this morning and went through the EPC to sort of what parts were V6/V8 common then ordered the rest of the bits that are VZ-V8 only, stopped at VPW on the way back and bought a set of Manly pushrods.
Ordered a 19210738 PCM online as Holden have obsoleted the 121's...and a PWR Rad from a mate that works at one of the major parts stores.
Once it all arrives I should be able to complete the swap :D
Below is a rare factory Cross 8 with a 6.0 in it , looks exactly like a 6.0 SS Crewman's engine bay , well which it is .
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/XUVUTE/Cross8-6Litre.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/XUVUTE/VZ-57.jpgThis is the VZ 5.7
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/XUVUTE/VY11-57L.jpg this is the VY11 5.7
XUV: You're a star thanks for that!!
Could I bother you to snap some detail pics around the bay in general please?
(I have NFI where a lot of bits are meant to live and that would save me time)
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Today!
Just been out installing the Manly Pushrods so that's all done and buttoned up, also laid out the Main body loom to find the 2nd PCM Connector, I wasn't sure if the 2nd loom was needed but now seeing that the V6 uses a Bosch PCM it is so good job I bought it when I did!
The guy I'm buying the PCM from has taken an interest in the project and is being most helpful!
http://members.optushome.com.au/ubermod/prog012.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ubermod/prog013.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/ubermod/prog014.jpg
Good to see this project moving foward. Maybe you should get this moved to the my ride section, may get more people involved!!!
Decided this was a good idea and have PM'd 2 Mods to see if they could move it....
3 Boxes of parts from Holden to add to the growing pile, check
PCM from Ben at Turbo Industries on it's way, check
HP Tuners from PCM Suite, check :D
I have just about everything needed to begin the swap other than the PWR Rad but that's ordered and should be here in 2 weeks!
macca33
16-03-2011, 07:46 AM
Thread moved as requested - looks like a good project mate.
Keep the updates coming.
cheers
Thread moved as requested - looks like a good project mate.
Keep the updates coming.
cheers
Will do and I tend to snap a lot of pics along the way soon as there's something to show, this is just phase #1 though so only a stock L98 install there's more to come later once it's running ;)
Thanks Dan,
Pity about the distance or I'd drop both cars in for some TLC!
Parts I collected yesterday!
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Today End!
Ordered a new Foot Pedal for my Tig a couple of weeks back....
Was meant to be posted out so 5 days go by with a trip to town each day to check the po Box and nada, ring today and they tell me it's sitting there do I want them to post it out now?......
Jump in the Wagon blast up there (had planned a VEG day after driving all day yesterday chasing parts) get it home and it's WRONG.... :goodjob: BOC Genius..
I need it to make a Sump Baffle for the new sump as it has none/zip/zero/nada and will be the PanOslosh for Track days followed by the rod knock of doom...
Looks like I go back to programming the panel on the TIG..
Today!
Returned the incorrect pedal to BOC this morning then repaired the remote on the Torch so it's all good!
I'll make a start on the new Sump baffles on Monday as there's racing on this weekend so it's a good excuse to vegg on the Couch ;)
Quick question: Where does the other end of the Purge valve connect to on a VZ?
(Also the Fuel feed with the blue cap if anyone knows?)
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^ Disregard ;)
Pulled the Clamshell off the VY and found em both!
Today!
Should be a good parts week, my PCM from Turbo Industries, HP Tuners from VCM Suite and an order of parts from Holden are all due to arrive, also have some gear coming from a mate in the USA that Holden couldn't supply...
Going to make a start on the Baffle/trap door setup for the Pan as I couldn't find anything on the market and the way it is will be an engine killer for track days.. :(
(guessing it's because there's no stock provision so nothing to bolt to in the Cross8 Sump)
Today Lunch!
Pulled the F Body sump and Improved Racing baffle off the engine then installed the stud extension from Holden for the CrossTrac pickup, turns out you have to remove the Auto drive plate to wiggle the sump into place due to the Axle tube through the middle of it hitting the Pickup tube...
This in turn is going to make a baffle for it "interesting", I pulled the stock baffle out of my VZ sedan sump and it's very basic so I might end up copying that and running an Oil accumulator again as my Canton remote adaptor from the F Body sump fits the new one.
Zipped into town and collected my PCM from the post office so that's another piece of the jigsaw sorted.(ended up with a "121")
Today End!
It was tight but I won in the end, ended up with a simple labyrinth baffle.
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Jonesy40
21-03-2011, 05:48 PM
loving this thread mate keep up the good work and the updates.
loving this thread mate keep up the good work and the updates.
Glad you're enjoying it :)
Once it's rego'd as an 8 I'll gear up for phase #2, that's when the fun stuff happens!
I have to go out tomorrow take it off the stand so I can align and torque the Sump bolts.
Today!
Did the T&A on the Sump then started draining the V6 of fluids ready to pull it out when I get enthused ;)
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Did the 300 Km round trip to the Holden dealer today and sorted out the Mystery of the AWD LS Left side engine mount....
I bolted it up the other day only to find it was smack bang in line with the Axle tube, rang my Holden guy and he got me the "correct" one.... I arrived there today to collect it only to find it was identical to the one I already had, checked the Wagon but it's PCM mounts right in the way so you can't see diddly, went out to the workshop found a V8 car on a hoist and checked, there's a second set of holes further back so they mount the big cast iron bracket there and the actual mounts are assymetric...
(just been out in the shed fitting the mount back on to verify it's right now)
Also called in to VCM and picked up my "HPTuners" kit, on the way back I arranged to hit the Japanese place for dinner and caught up with a Bud, gotta love the wagon for this sort of driving!
Chasing a pair of stock engine pipes for this thing (ad in classifieds) also need to know what sort of pipe/hose goes from the right side rocker cover to the intake if anyone has a pic?
Feel free to jump in with questions/advice whatever, don't be concerned about taking my thread OT as it'll find it's way back sooner or later, I use threads as an interactive extension of my real shed and welcome any input.
(past threads on another forum have always ended up as 4000 reply monsters before I knock em on the head and start a fresh one)
To answer another of my own questions, the PCV pipe is small diameter poly tubing with a section of rubber on one end and a clip on the other, when I picked it up it didn't look like the 9mm tubing would connect to the 16mm barb on the intake....
Turns out the pipe goes inside and the clip thing on the outside over the barb...flying blind here as this is the first late model Holden I've owned and playing with Jap cars for the last decade or so means I haven't even seen under the bonnet of a VZ-V8 ;)
(hence my request for pics earlier in the thread)
ti0350
23-03-2011, 12:05 PM
Enoying the thread so far I'm keeping a close eye on this.
Enoying the thread so far I'm keeping a close eye on this.
Good to hear thanks!
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Today!
Vegg day today so I installed my HPTuners and will read through the manual tonight then have a play with the Wagon tomorrow!
Today!
Having a bit of a "CBF'd" day, will try and get off my ass and go out after lunch and start pulling the engine out of the Tonner, anyone done this job before and have any tips?
"Plan" is to drop the K frame out under the car onto a trolly and wheel it out swap the V8 into place then wheel it all back in.
Today again!
So much for starting to pull the engine today....
Got a call from my parts guy so a quick trip down to Melbourne.
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Tonight!
Just got back from a 140Km trip to collect a pair of stock engine pipes!
Thanks Dave was good meeting you guys!
Can anyone post how the cooling lines on a Vz 6.0L are plumbed?
ie: Rad overflow, Airbleed crossover between the heads and so on?
NuffNuff
26-03-2011, 07:32 PM
i pick up my adventra CX8 on thursday this coming week (cant bloody wait) sold my VE SS for a family car (and for an auto) and found a bargain with only 70,000km
can you use any catback that a wagon would use?
i pick up my adventra CX8 on thursday this coming week (cant bloody wait) sold my VE SS for a family car (and for an auto) and found a bargain with only 70,000km
can you use any catback that a wagon would use?
Yep as far as I know Cat back is identical, Engine pipes are all the same but we need a different set of extractors to suit the Cross8, normal 4into1's don't fit.
NuffNuff
26-03-2011, 07:43 PM
thanks mate, thats great news
will you be running the stock airbox? i will be, i'll have no chance maintaining an exposed filter like i did on my SS with the dus II OTRCAI
i was very impressed with the car overall, 3 months of driving the mrs swift and i broke .. fortunately i found the cx8 :)
Yep for this phase everything in the Tonner has to be stock....
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The V6 in my Tonner is the "reduced output" one :(
Thing will barely turn the tires on grass as it is, the Wagon by comparison is a ball :D
What CX8 did you get? (Vy or VZ? What colour?)
NuffNuff
27-03-2011, 08:59 AM
I bought a Quick Silver VYII
I cant find it anywhere but was there an update between VY-VYII, I read that maybe they swapped to electronic throttle body? i had a look under the hood but the throttle body looked much the same as my L98 except maybe a little bigger (didn't notice any throttle cables). tell you the truth i just expected it to have a cable throttle.
Under the hood it looked much the same as what AllWheelSlide posted with the VZ.
Does that mean its 250kw or 235kw?
I bought a Quick Silver VYII
I cant find it anywhere but was there an update between VY-VYII, I read that maybe they swapped to electronic throttle body? i had a look under the hood but the throttle body looked much the same as my L98 except maybe a little bigger (didn't notice any throttle cables). tell you the truth i just expected it to have a cable throttle.
Under the hood it looked much the same as what AllWheelSlide posted with the VZ.
Does that mean its 250kw or 235kw?
Sorry NFI, I'm new to the Adventra so still learning, I'm sure one of the guys will jump in and post though!
VT 2 EXEC LS1
27-03-2011, 10:03 AM
Tonight!
Just got back from a 140Km trip to collect a pair of stock engine pipes!
Thanks Dave was good meeting you guys!
same here,its refreshing to meet some genuine like minded genuine guys out in the ls community.
cheers and hope the changeover works out well.
any other bits you need just holla out
dave/mat
Trip back was "interesting" dark wet unfamiliar road, just glad I was in the Whale it's very surefooted, missed the local Pub by 8 minutes for a feed as the kitchen closed at 8....
Thanks I don't foresee any real issues with the swap as it's all bolton but as posted above I have NFI what a stock VZ 6.0L looks like under the bonnet so there's a bit of deductive reasoning going on ;)
cashie
27-03-2011, 11:02 AM
How did I miss this thread??
Great read so far, great job you are doing, watching this keenly.
Take heaps of pics.
Love your workshop, well setup for projects like this.
Thanks Cashie,
My projects have a way of getting out of control.....
This time I'm trying to NOT get carried away and stick to a bolton approach for most of it, ultimate goal is to build something that will be eligble for tarmac rallies/track days.
Dropping it down should result in a nice low CoG add some decent suspension and brakes then possibly some more power and it should be a fun toy.
I ran the L98 with a T04z in the Jap car for a total of 700 Km's before a suspension arm failed and killed it so I've seen this engines potential and the CrossTrac will mean it has a chance of hooking up.
I love the workshop it was the selling point for this property, been here 6 months now and am slowly getting things set up as I want it, I have to build a Mezzanine for storage and in 12 months will reassess the need/desire for a dyno.
cashie
27-03-2011, 11:18 AM
Are there any issues lowering these, I always thought they had to sit high for the AWD setup?
The L98 is certainly an excellent engine, pretty underrated by those outside the Holden owners circles.
Your own dyno, holly sh1t, where will this all end, you could set up a LSx tuning business on the side.
Have you got any links for any of your other projects?
Are there any issues lowering these, I always thought they had to sit high for the AWD setup?
The L98 is certainly an excellent engine, pretty underrated by those outside the Holden owners circles.
Your own dyno, holly sh1t, where will this all end, you could set up a LSx tuning business on the side.
Have you got any links for any of your other projects?
I asked the question awhile back without much success but I "believe" you can drop them a good deal before there are issues, the rear will get either a Wagon IRS or one out of an Adventra just depends on the final wheel/tire combo I choose.
I spent a decade or so playing with Turbo I-6's and managed to get 410rwkw out of the 3.0L at the end but then decided on a change of direction with the L98.
Been in contact with both Mainline and DynoDynamics and have the $$$ set aside, there are a few environmental issues to address here, I have an engineer mate helping suss all that out but I still have 6 months before I go/no go on it.
Not really looking to run the dyno as a business it's more for my own use as I'm a constant "fiddler", the I-6 logged 16+ hours of Dyno time and untold hours of road tuning before I was "happy" ;)
I don't really post the other projects due to some of the local legislation, that's part of the appeal of the CrossTrac project it's actually going to be legit for a change.
NuffNuff
27-03-2011, 11:33 AM
jacking them up is where most problems occur throwing off the geometry for the drive shafts etc
i wonder how the transmission would cope with 32" muddies on (thats if you could fit them)
starting to hate this thread, the more i read the more i want to throw into mine when it arrives haha .. hopefully it doesnt get to the point like my SS and throwing 15k at it
jacking them up is where most problems occur throwing off the geometry for the drive shafts etc
i wonder how the transmission would cope with 32" muddies on (thats if you could fit them)
starting to hate this thread, the more i read the more i want to throw into mine when it arrives haha .. hopefully it doesnt get to the point like my SS and throwing 15k at it
LOL my last project had 25k of engine management in it :D
Trying very HARD not to lose the plot this time ......
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ti0350
27-03-2011, 07:27 PM
I bought a Quick Silver VYII
I cant find it anywhere but was there an update between VY-VYII, I read that maybe they swapped to electronic throttle body? i had a look under the hood but the throttle body looked much the same as my L98 except maybe a little bigger (didn't notice any throttle cables). tell you the truth i just expected it to have a cable throttle.
Under the hood it looked much the same as what AllWheelSlide posted with the VZ.
Does that mean its 250kw or 235kw?
Sorry to go off topic but the VYII had 235kw, the VZ 2005 model released around april had the 250kw..
Sorry to go off topic but the VYII had 235kw, the VZ 2005 model released around april had the 250kw..
Don't sweat it at all it's not really OT, my threads do that from time to time but always end up more or less back on track! :)
What year/month was the VYII and what changes were made?
Today!
Made a start on the tear down, going slowly as I don't have a manual for this car and really don't want to damage/destroy parts removing them!
Here's a good illustration why a PWR "works" just the sheer mass of extra aluminium would be it over the stock VZ Rad.
Done enough for today just heading into town to pick up a Rad cap.
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cashie
28-03-2011, 07:28 PM
Looking good...
Thanks Cashie,
They didn't want the Transfer case to fall out it's bolted in 3>4 places then has an additional Steel cross member bolted in as well....
I'll see if I can make some more headway tomorrow.
Today!
Got as much done as I could then had to do a run into Town to buy a GM Fuel line tool as I don't have one, of course being in the Bush they stiffed me for what is just 2 pieces of plastic with a rivet in the middle but the alternative was to burn $50 of fuel and go buy it from one of my suppliers.....
I'm ready to drop the engine, trans and front subframe, CBF'd today so will attack it in the morning.
On the way back from town I stopped in at the post office and collected my box of bits from the USA :D.
cashie
29-03-2011, 08:57 PM
Stop teasing, what's in the box?
Get lots of pics of the engine out job..
Stop teasing, what's in the box?
Get lots of pics of the engine out job..
LOL sorry no tease, just some small parts I was missing/had modded for the last project that I couldn't get from Holden.
Coil looms, Air bleed crossover pipe between the heads and some 45 degree MSD boots so I can shorten the Plug leads I made to put the coils back on the rocker covers :)
Rgr on the many pics when I drop the engine, about the hardest part of this project will be pulling the dash to replace the entire main loom, I laid it out on the floor today to check some connectors and it's a LOT of wire!
I stupidly decided to totally rewire the last project and after putting 850 metres of Tefzal Milspec wire into it with a couple of 100 connectors I'm thinking this "should" be a little easier.....
Today!
OldNbusted so this is enough for today ;)
Pics as promised.
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cashie
30-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Wow, good job, and finished by 11am......
So are you going to swap these straight over crossmember and all?
Should bolt in pretty quickly (just a heap of wiring etc to do then)...
The transfer case looks pretty substantial.
Wow, good job, and finished by 11am......
So are you going to swap these straight over crossmember and all?
Should bolt in pretty quickly (just a heap of wiring etc to do then)...
The transfer case looks pretty substantial.
Was done by 10:30 just took some time to put tools away then get back up to the house :)
I have to look at a High Stall get that in there then bolt the LS onto the Subframe and I'm good to go, I want to sort all of the wiring before I refit the drivetrain though so that means getting the car off the hoist.
(a mate is friends with the guys that own Dominator)
I have a pair of trollys I made to move the Lathe and CNC Mill so I can drop the car onto one and wheel it forward to get enough room to pull the entire dash..... can't open the doors far enough while it's on the hoist, only just had enough room to unhook the wiring behind the left kick panel!
I need to buy the V8 AC Hoses/lines and 4x V8 02 sensors as the plugs are all different, more than likely a couple of other bits and pieces as well..
I milled the Coil pack stands down on the rocker covers so I need to turn up some spacers for them then fit the new boots on the MSD plug leads.
Blown 454 AWD
31-03-2011, 06:58 AM
Great build, keep up the posting.
The only driveline trouble you could have is 2nd gear band burning if you pump her to over 400 flywheel kW, after this you will need a built auto.
Always wondered why Holden didn't put out an AWD Tonner, would be a hit for sure.
May meet at an event one day, you never know.
AWD Tonner vs AWD Addy, sounds interesting.
Would expect the tonner to have a weight advantage.
Cheers
Steve
Great build, keep up the posting.
The only driveline trouble you could have is 2nd gear band burning if you pump her to over 400 flywheel kW, after this you will need a built auto.
Always wondered why Holden didn't put out an AWD Tonner, would be a hit for sure.
May meet at an event one day, you never know.
AWD Tonner vs AWD Addy, sounds interesting.
Would expect the tonner to have a weight advantage.
Cheers
Steve
Thanks for jumping in Steve I'd hoped you would sooner or later,advice/tips are always welcome!
In stock trim you'd be wrong by about 70 Kg's :(
With the lighter Tray I'll be a bit under you but that will depend on further mods!
When I do the power up I'll go through the Auto and address any weaknesses but for now it "should" be happy enough at stock power..
Today!
Damn cold here today so another CBF'd day ;)
Just ordered my High Stall and a bunch of parts from Holden so another trip down in the Whale tomorrow to collect everything!
APCLB
31-03-2011, 01:54 PM
When I do the power up I'll go through the Auto and address any weaknesses but for now it "should" be happy enough at stock power..
Great thread,luv the daily updates.
Regarding the box & this question would be on behalf of a fellow LS1er,any plans for a manual conversion? Have you looked at this as an option?
Great thread,luv the daily updates.
Regarding the box & this question would be on behalf of a fellow LS1er,any plans for a manual conversion? Have you looked at this as an option?
Really glad you're enjoying it, it helps me keep active and organised and it's always good to get opinions, questions along the way.
I actually prefer an Auto so no plans for a manual, I did that in the last project and soon as I got to 340 rwkw getting a streetable clutch became problematic, ended up with a pig twinplate that spoiled the car, swapped over to an auto and have never looked back.
Last time I ran a Toyota 4 speed auto with a PCS controller and the T04z/L98 combo so I'm interested to see just what I can do with the 4L60 and HP Tuners, add to that I'm trying hard to make this project s Bolton/PlugNplay as possible so that rules out a manual conversion!
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Great thread IJ - one of the most interesting in a long time.
Going to be a great car I reckon.
Great thread IJ - one of the most interesting in a long time.
Going to be a great car I reckon.
Thanks Gee!
Like your Avatar, HQ Coupe was my first car so remember that view well :D
Today!
Well that was a fun day.....
Rang my Holden guy this morning all my parts were in then rang the guys at Dominator Convertors and it was ready to collect, special build and done in 2 days gotta love that!
Stopped at Dominator first and had a chat to Jason the owner about the project, he told me the V6 trans has a weak point in the input shaft and the V8 ones run a bigger Shaft (guess which TC I ordered... DOH)
Rang my Holden guy on the way over, not real expensive but NONE anywhere in the country... DOH 2
Rang Dave and sure enough he had a trans there he got as a spare, minimal haggle later and we'd reached an agreement on a swap of parts so I went to Holden collected my parts and headed back to get the trade parts from home then headed across to Daves, that was a 450 Km day again... I'm beat just unloaded the wagon time for a coffee and TV.
Today!
Pulled the V6 off the front end then slung the Crossmember on the Tractor and took it outside to pressure wash the 60.000 Km's of crap off.
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cashie
02-04-2011, 01:46 PM
You're getting a nice assortment of parts...
You're getting a nice assortment of parts...
Yep there's a bunch of small differences between the V6 and 8...
Think I pretty well have it all now though ;)
Today!
Had a Bud up here today doing some wiring on his Soarer, I figured since there was nothing on TV I'd go put the Front End back in the Tonner, gotta love how Idiot proof Holden have made it, huge improvement on the last Commodore I owned (1979 model) 20>25 mins and it was back on 4 wheels! :)
Today!
Spent the day out in the front paddock ripping out tree stumps with the Tractor, some Genius thought it was a good idea to cut them off flush with the ground and over the years there's been some errosion so each time you Mow it's like a minefield....
Only one of em put up a serious struggle and after bending the bucket tooth I dug around it some and cut it with the chainsaw...
Other than that I tidied up the shed a little, I have to go to one of the bigger towns tomorrow to collect a Torx Plus Driver so I can pull the Bell housings off both Trans then swap out the Front shafts/Drums/Stator shafts.
Once that's done I'll start pulling the Dash out of the Tonner so I can install the new Main loom ready for the L98.
Today!
Had to go to town today so did a run around trying to find that Torx Bit....
bzzzz tried 10 places and even got hold of a SnapOn guy and they're nil stock, I found one Hardware suppier that can get stock so it's being posted down end of the week/early next week..
WTF were Holden thinking using this hardware... I mean really..
yep , they're a pain , the right angled torx key ya need for the airbox removal is a WTF
LOL I have a 1/4 drive one that worked for that being a normal Torx, these Torx+ bullshit things are a joke :)
The External Bellhousing bolts on the V6 are Torx head but an 11mm 12 point worked for them..
cashie
05-04-2011, 09:34 PM
Seems a bit strange using torx on the bellhousing, even stranger using torx +
I'm guessing you'll be replacing them with hex bolts.
Seems a bit strange using torx on the bellhousing, even stranger using torx +
I'm guessing you'll be replacing them with hex bolts.
If I've got the tooling here I'll leave em in place, it's only a PITA because I've never had a reason to use/buy Torx+ drivers, have a few normal Torx sets of course...(and bellhousing swaps shouldn't be a service item)
When I built the Toyota Trans adaptor I used cap screws as there wasn't enough room for hex heads/sockets.
Did a bit of research on Trans rebuild kits/upgrade parts for the 4L60e, tons available just have to make a shopping list one day and place an order in the States, makes a nice change dealing 1:1 on the $, MUCH better than 56c!
Guess I'll make a start on labelling wiring and connectors tomorrow and get ready to pull the dash, might also see if I can hunt up a better dash for this thing as the Cross6 one is very basic.
cashie
05-04-2011, 10:05 PM
Yes, plenty of 3 window dashes out there, just make sure it is the same vintage as your existing dash as the VZ ones aren't backwards compatible (fuel gauge reads backwards I thonk).. plenty of info on here about the VY/VZ dash upgrades.
The guy I bought the E38 PCM from seems to think the existing dash is going to have the fuel gauge calibration issue with the PCM swap.....
Not sure if that signifies the Tonner got the early style firmware or not
(supplied him with my VIN so he could check)
Adventra has the 3 window and it's just nicer all round, I'd like the better climate control as well but it's not a show stopper.
Today!
Started pulling the Dash out of the Tonner and found it's easier to gutt the interior as well so the Seats and Console came out, next issue was how to get the Radio and Airbag out....
Quick search online and it was all revealed, after lunch I'll go back out and start labelling everything then pull the Dash out and see about running the new Loom into the engine bay...
Micks
06-04-2011, 12:36 PM
The guy I bought the E38 PCM from seems to think the existing dash is going to have the fuel gauge calibration issue with the PCM swap.....
Not sure if that signifies the Tonner got the early style firmware or not
(supplied him with my VIN so he could check)
Adventra has the 3 window and it's just nicer all round, I'd like the better climate control as well but it's not a show stopper.
Recently done a similar three window swap with a HSV unit on my Tonner. You will need to have the new cluster cal'd with the correct part no to suit your Tonner's fuel tank. Make sure your new cluster is as close to the build date as your vehicle. EG series 1 & series 2 are different.
Clusters do have year & month on reverse side adjacent the connector.
If you need the Cal part no I should have it here somewhere.
Cheers
VYT
Recently done a similar three window swap with a HSV unit on my Tonner. You will need to have the new cluster cal'd with the correct part no to suit your Tonner's fuel tank. Make sure your new cluster is as close to the build date as your vehicle. EG series 1 & series 2 are different.
Clusters do have year & month on reverse side adjacent the connector.
If you need the Cal part no I should have it here somewhere.
Cheers
VYT
Thanks for that!
Any info that helps would be great!
(I came across your thread this morning while I was searching)
Side note: Looks like the Brickie that owned it before me managed to break the rear screen... I'll clean it up properly now the interiors out, broken glass and sand everywhere.
Micks
06-04-2011, 12:45 PM
Ok the fella who cal'd mine got two part no's
1. 92174078 = Cab Chassis
2. 92174079 = utility
For some reason this guy used the Ute cal & appears to be ok, I thought the Cab Chassis would have been the correct one though? let me know if you'd like a copy of the tech sheet probably email it to you?
Would appreciate down the track if you could let me know what one you ended up using?
Cheers
VYT
Ok the fella who cal'd mine got two part no's
1. 92174078 = Cab Chassis
2. 92174079 = utility
For some reason this guy used the Ute cal & appears to be ok, I thought the Cab Chassis would have been the correct one though? let me know if you'd like a copy of the tech sheet probably email it to you?
Would appreciate down the track if you could let me know what one you ended up using?
Cheers
VYT
No probs at all!
PM'd my e-mail addy and yes I'll let you know for sure!
Just have to track down a Cluster now, getting a price on a new one from my Holden guy but I'm guessing a bit exe.
Today End!
Got a bit done, need some ferrets to work out what else holds this Dash in, debadged the car then pulled the washer bottle out so I could clean it's screen, used to have to flick the steering side to side to get it to flow... NFI what the layer was on it.
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Today!
Ok Loom and Dash are out, ended up having to cut the old Loom :(
I'll DePin the Engine bay Fuse box on the new Loom and feed it through, Holden must thread the Loom through the hole in the Fireway before Bonding it into the shell as there's no way possible to get the Fuse panel and Horseshoe through the hole with the Strut Tower in the way!
I'm finding a few differences in the Looms already, I bought one for a VZ CrossTrac Crewman thinking it would be damn close..
(i.e. No glovebox illumination wiring at all, no biggie I can splice that in, more of a concern is no connector for what looks like a G Sensor mounted in the middle of my car on the trans tunnel.
I'll confirm that's what it is then trace the old loom and find out what it connects to.... ****it if I'd known it was going to be this much of a PITA I wouldn't have gone ahead but I'm too far into it now to turn back...
mickeyVX350
07-04-2011, 02:24 PM
Today!
Ok Loom and Dash are out, ended up having to cut the old Loom :(
I'll DePin the Engine bay Fuse box on the new Loom and feed it through, Holden must thread the Loom through the hole in the Fireway before Bonding it into the shell as there's no way possible to get the Fuse panel and Horseshoe through the hole with the Strut Tower in the way!
I'm finding a few differences in the Looms already, I bought one for a VZ CrossTrac Crewman thinking it would be damn close..
(i.e. No glovebox illumination wiring at all, no biggie I can splice that in, more of a concern is no connector for what looks like a G Sensor mounted in the middle of my car on the trans tunnel.
I'll confirm that's what it is then trace the old loom and find out what it connects to.... ****it if I'd known it was going to be this much of a PITA I wouldn't have gone ahead but I'm too far into it now to turn back...
Keep at it brother! As a convert to the Cross-Trac system you are getting the full thumbs up from me! Perhaps you can fit a 6L into my V6 Addy next! haha!
doubledip
07-04-2011, 02:47 PM
Loom comes out as one. No need to cut it... How so you think they change out a faulty loom. You just need to pull loom out of horse shoe then remove fuses relays from holder and pass it through. Have changed 20 or so that way
There will also be a fair few other differences in the looms being ones a v8 and other is a 6
doubledip
07-04-2011, 03:03 PM
but i must say will be good to see when its all up and going :goodjob:
Keep at it brother! As a convert to the Cross-Trac system you are getting the full thumbs up from me! Perhaps you can fit a 6L into my V6 Addy next! haha!
Hey what did I ever do to you :eyes:
Loom comes out as one. No need to cut it... How so you think they change out a faulty loom. You just need to pull loom out of horse shoe then remove fuses relays from holder and pass it through. Have changed 20 or so that way
There will also be a fair few other differences in the looms being ones a v8 and other is a 6
I pulled the Horseshoe off and all the fuses and relays, are you sure it will come out?
(Also stripped out the Brake Master and Booster)
Just waiting on a call back from my Holden guy on the Loom, seems like Holden build each loom to suit whatever spec the car is.... (used to be more universal i.e. a V8 Loom had ALL of the connectors/wires in place)
Yep v6 Loom is totally different but things like a glovebox light I'd have expected to be standard across the range...
The Sensor looks to be a Yaw Sensor, if needs be I can trace it back and rob the plug and wires from the old harness.
doubledip
07-04-2011, 04:25 PM
yep positive....
also prob a steering angle sensor near the column?
yeh they build them all specific... they do it now to save money.. only fit what needs to be there ....
worked at Holden for over 10 years... its how we used to do it. :)
yep positive....
also prob a steering angle sensor near the column?
yeh they build them all specific... they do it now to save money.. only fit what needs to be there ....
worked at Holden for over 10 years... its how we used to do it. :)
Went back out and tried it with the Old Fuse box and still couldn't get it to go back into the Cabin, found "Mr Goop" at Holden had gone a bit nuts with the seam sealer and heat shield so trimmed that all back then tried it from the Cabin side as if I were installing...
DAMN tight but went through, isn't going to be nice on a brand new harness so I think I'll "bend" the opening a touch to make it easier then knock it back into place once done ;)
Didn't spot an SAS while I was pulling it apart today, I'll look again in the morning.
Traced the Yaw sensor wires, they go into the ABS Pump so I ferreted them out of the old loom,bit curious about the glovebox light and switch though...
doubledip
07-04-2011, 06:21 PM
found it :)... actually the diagrams and manual are really confusing...
will be very interesting if this ESP works on the 8...
manual shows only v6's with ESP but the diagrams are a little different
found it :)... actually the diagrams and manual are really confusing...
will be very interesting if this ESP works on the 8...
manual shows only v6's with ESP but the diagrams are a little different
Do you have a manual for an Adventra?
found it :)... actually the diagrams and manual are really confusing...
will be very interesting if this ESP works on the 8...
manual shows only v6's with ESP but the diagrams are a little different
Thinking about this, doe the BCM run the ESP or is that a PCM function?
(If the code for the V8 isn't there or even an option I'd be wasting my time running the Sensor wires)
doubledip
07-04-2011, 07:26 PM
Do you have a manual for an Adventra?
Have TIS2WEB access. ;). So have all manuals effectively.
doubledip
07-04-2011, 07:32 PM
Thinking about this, doe the BCM run the ESP or is that a PCM function?
(If the code for the V8 isn't there or even an option I'd be wasting my time running the Sensor wires)
It communicates through the can wires and is tied into the transmission computer.
Have TIS2WEB access. ;). So have all manuals effectively.
Good to know ;)
Thanks for the help, I spent hours trying to get that bitch fuse box through the hole, would never have believed it was possible looking at the angles.
Really don't understand why they do shit like that, FFS make the hole 20mm bigger end of issue.....
cashie
07-04-2011, 08:04 PM
Console and glove box lights were removed during VZ as a cost saving measure (believe it or not) along with a few other low cost items..
Console and glove box lights were removed during VZ as a cost saving measure (believe it or not) along with a few other low cost items..
WOW I'm stunned!
cashie
07-04-2011, 09:56 PM
WOW I'm stunned!
Google or search here of "decontenting", Holden's name for ripping bits off their cars to make a few bucks extra.
cashie
07-04-2011, 09:56 PM
WOW I'm stunned!
Google or search here for "decontenting", Holden's name for ripping bits off their cars to make a few bucks extra.
Google or search here for "decontenting", Holden's name for ripping bits off their cars to make a few bucks extra.
Ohhh my searched here..... (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=56732&highlight=decontenting)
That's sad, really it is...
No drama to reuse the old light/switch/wiring, it's a bit odd as my Cross6 isn't what I'd call a high spec car to begin with (no climate control so a bit of a PoV pack)
Maybe it's an early enough build not to have suffered "decontenting"
Thanks for the heads up Cashie I'll sleep better tonight knowing I didn't get a freak loom!
One step forward 2 steps sideways!
Turns out Holden never offered a 6.0L engine in a non climate control car so I ditched the plan to get another harness and went back to plan #132a...
I'll collect a climate control from one of the guys here then get the heater box from Holden, also getting the up spec dash cluster, cleaned the interior today and that'll do me for this week.
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Today p.s
Had to go to the post office and my Torx+ Bit had arrived, came home all excited to get the bellhousings off both transmissions and would ya believe it the SAME damn bolt in Trans #2 rounded out..... arghhh
Whipped out the drill and a square easyout and within a few minutes it was out :D
AllWheelSlide
10-04-2011, 12:03 AM
Just wanted to post words of kudos. I check on this thread occasionally to see progress. Looks like a major underaking. Top stuff for giving it a go. Keep the updates coming.
Just wanted to post words of kudos. I check on this thread occasionally to see progress. Looks like a major underaking. Top stuff for giving it a go. Keep the updates coming.
Thanks for that! :)
As I said in an earlier post if I'd know just how much needed to be changed I probably would have just bolted a blower to the V6 and called it a day...
A mate from Melbourne picked up my Climate Control dash facia and bought it up yesterday and we were discussing the ABS and that the V6 has ESP, the consensus is the Control module on the pump "may" be different so I need to check with Holden in the morning before I go collect my other parts.....
(it's wired differently for the rear wheel speed sensors and might throw an error message if the Yaw sensor isn't there)
Arghhhhhhh......................
Just checked the Climate Control plugs on the Harness and controls... they're different..:vpo:
this job is rapidly turning into a massive PITA..
doubledip
10-04-2011, 11:02 AM
we were discussing the ABS and that the V6 has ESP, the consensus is the Control module on the pump "may" be different so I need to check with Holden in the morning before I go collect my other parts.....
(it's wired differently for the rear wheel speed sensors and might throw an error message if the Yaw sensor isn't there)
the module will be different definately.. and yes 100% will throw codes if all the sensors arent connected....
2 ways to approach it. either run what the v8's had which is traction and abs and not the ESP (means getting all those modules) or stick with the v6 setup and run it as though its a v6 and suck it and see how the auto behaves with it (the later will be cheaper if works but it may not like it and also could be a little dangerous as the esp has the ability to lock different brakes on etc.. and if not getting the correct signals etc.. from everything it may turn nasty)
Toddler78
10-04-2011, 11:41 AM
One step forward 2 steps sideways!
Turns out Holden never offered a 6.0L engine in a non climate control car so I ditched the plan to get another harness and went back to plan #132a...
I'll collect a climate control from one of the guys here then get the heater box from Holden, also getting the up spec dash cluster, cleaned the interior today and that'll do me for this week.
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edit sory I misread your post.
sorry further edit. Im pretty sure the last of the monaros that went to the US as the GTO got the 6L but they never got climate control
hope that helps
the module will be different definately.. and yes 100% will throw codes if all the sensors arent connected....
2 ways to approach it. either run what the v8's had which is traction and abs and not the ESP (means getting all those modules) or stick with the v6 setup and run it as though its a v6 and suck it and see how the auto behaves with it (the later will be cheaper if works but it may not like it and also could be a little dangerous as the esp has the ability to lock different brakes on etc.. and if not getting the correct signals etc.. from everything it may turn nasty)
Think I'd rather go with the V8 parts and it to be reliable, there's a good chance this will spend some time sideways so ESP wouldn't be a benefit to me. ;)
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edit sory I misread your post.
sorry further edit. Im pretty sure the last of the monaros that went to the US as the GTO got the 6L but they never got climate control
hope that helps
Problem there would be the loom will be for a LHD car but thanks for the suggestion!
Today!
Ok one step forward one step to the left.... ;)
Sorted the Climate control issue, turns out Holden supplied me with a harness for single zone CC, the control box I got is a dual zone unit, cheaper to source the new control than another harness as I can't return the one I have.
No real drama as I can use the dual in the Adventra if it ever needs it, I broke a clip on the windscreen scuttle removing it but they're dirt cheap so I ordered another, ditto on the seat trim that covers the bolts.
ABS Module is specific to the Tonner/Cross6 crewman so I ordered the correct one as it's not something I'm willing to gamble on.
Parts will be in tomorrow morning so I'll shoot across then and collect them.
APCLB
11-04-2011, 10:12 AM
Luvin this thread IJ,great to see a build thread in the "happening" way everyday!
I think you need to show us around your workshop abit,seems to me you have all the shizzle to take on most any job.:goodjob:
Luvin this thread IJ,great to see a build thread in the "happening" way everyday!
I think you need to show us around your workshop abit,seems to me you have all the shizzle to take on most any job.:goodjob:
Glad you're enjoying it!
I tend to get a bit OCD about projects and I promised myself this one was going to be different....
Phase #2 will start in October so that gives me another 6 months to complete phase #1, with that in mind I need to back off a bit and have some fun instead of it being the Kokoda Death March.. ;)
Not sure what you want to know about the Big Shed, It's a good place to work and fairly self contained, eventually I'll buy a few more specialised machines and have been looking at chassis dyno's but there's the enviromental issues to take into consideration living in a valley..
(built a twin 3" system for a bud's 4.0L V8 Soarer and fired it straight out of the headers for 20 seconds and EVERYONE within 10Km's heard it and commented at the NYE party...)
mickeyVX350
11-04-2011, 11:21 AM
I'm starting to wonder where you live bud. I am an ex Ballarat bloke, so know of Dave and Matt.
140K round trip, valley, may put you somewhere in the Maryborough direction - I get up to "the valley" in Dunach quite often!
I'm starting to wonder where you live bud. I am an ex Ballarat bloke, so know of Dave and Matt.
140K round trip, valley, may put you somewhere in the Maryborough direction - I get up to "the valley" in Dunach quite often!
More towards Kyneton :)
You're more than welcome to drop by if you're in the area!
mickeyVX350
11-04-2011, 03:21 PM
Good spot up there - bashed the Monaro around those roads a few times!
I make a habit of doing 12-1300 K in a weekend crossing the state in the mighty Adventra!
Good spot up there - bashed the Monaro around those roads a few times!
I make a habit of doing 12-1300 K in a weekend crossing the state in the mighty Adventra!
Glad it's not just me that does this sort of thing :D
Used to go from my Old place in Reservoir up the Hume then across to Bright up and over the mountain and back in through Bairnsdale> Berwick to home!
Great drive in a quick car set up for handling!
Last big trip was across to Adelaide to collect a tray for the Tonner and back in the same day.
Today!
Heading down to my Holden dealer soon to pickup what I hope is the last of the stock parts to go into the car so I can complete the V8 swap!
Glad I moved to a bigger Shed before I started this one, it looks a bit like an explosion at Holden's warehouse :D
Parts....
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michaels1v8
12-04-2011, 05:10 PM
Your not kidding about OCD IJ. . . You certainly don't mess around :stick:
Very impressed with the progress your making despite all the little (and rather large) hiccups you run into :)
I'm sure all the trouble will be worth it when you and the tonner go for your first little drive together:smilesandbanana:
Thanks Michael!
Sorted out the Climate Control misunderstanding, turns out the 2nd 20 pin plug is part of the HVAC Box... DOH
In was able to return the unneeded CC Box and ordered a few AC sensors my car didn't have and an Adventra Gauge Pod that will be posted out in a day or so, I'll use it for an Oil Pressure and Boost gauge in phase #2.
PISSED down rain the entire way out this morning and took 45 minutes to get across the West Gate, got out there and it was 19c and Sunny, got hom and it's 12c.....
Today!
Pulled the old HVAC unit out, this is about as stripped out as you're likely to see a Cross6... (only 250 made I doubt if any of the other 249 are owned by nutters..)
Cleaned the Right side up and ran the new loom in, need a favour if anyone here can snap a pic of their V8 fuse box there are 2 "different" relays in there I need to know where they live thanks!
Off to buy a set of Torx sockets so I can swap outy the ABS modules.
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Today End!
Got my sockets in town, came back and swapped out the ABS modules.
Also had to resolder the rear window demister plug on the Adventra, noticed it was broken yesterday.
macca33
13-04-2011, 06:22 PM
Haha - my car looked a little bit like the interior of yours, only a few weeks ago - well, apart from the fact my car is painted green!
Just a quick query for info only, what was the climate control heater box worth to purchase?
cheers
Haha - my car looked a little bit like the interior of yours, only a few weeks ago - well, apart from the fact my car is painted green!
Just a quick query for info only, what was the climate control heater box worth to purchase?
cheers
List price was $775 Macca, pretty well complete excluding the vacc reservoir, the non climate one bolts straight on.
cashie
13-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Starting to take shape now that parts are going back in...!
It makes it easy to clean the carpet when the interior is like that.
Starting to take shape now that parts are going back in...!
It makes it easy to clean the carpet when the interior is like that.
Surprising how filthy it is for a 60K car :(
Holden don't do a cabin filter for VZ's, if anyone knows of something aftermarket please jump in!
Still need some help with the Relay locations ;)
macca33
13-04-2011, 09:43 PM
Cheers mate - as I say, just inquiring out of interest. I have a single zone one here as a spare for my car. If my dual-zone ever fails, I reckon I could attach the second fan / diffuser unit onto the single and be back with a working dual system - they seem to be very modular in the way they have made them, with a lot of interchangability.
cheers
Do you have any pics of the dual control panel?
If fog lights are fitted is there a different headlight switch?
(sorry if these questions are a bit n00b but I haven't owned a Commodore since the 80's ;) )
macca33
14-04-2011, 12:09 AM
Sorry mate - I've got a VX, you'd need someone with a VY.
cheers
cashie
14-04-2011, 12:29 AM
Do you have any pics of the dual control panel?
If fog lights are fitted is there a different headlight switch?
(sorry if these questions are a bit n00b but I haven't owned a Commodore since the 80's ;) )
The factory headlight switch is different when fog lights are fitted, ie it pulls out to turn on the fogs..
Sorry mate - I've got a VX, you'd need someone with a VY.
cheers
LOL thanks!
Guessing it's much the same for VZ?
The factory headlight switch is different when fog lights are fitted, ie it pulls out to turn on the fogs..
Thanks Cashie, new harness has provision for driving lights so was thinking about fitting some!
Do you have any idea about the Relays?
(and the dual zone CC?)
AllWheelSlide
14-04-2011, 08:05 AM
LOL thanks!
Guessing it's much the same for VZ?
Thanks Cashie, new harness has provision for driving lights so was thinking about fitting some!
(and the dual zone CC?)
Sorry if it causes confusion, but, driving lights on VZ Adventra LX8 are hooked straight to be on when headlights are on. No special switch function that I can see. My LX8 also has a lights always on feature (except when Parkers are on or ignition off) during weekend I will take a photo of the dual zone console.
Sorry if it causes confusion, but, driving lights on VZ Adventra LX8 are hooked straight to be on when headlights are on. No special switch function that I can see. My LX8 also has a lights always on feature (except when Parkers are on or ignition off) during weekend I will take a photo of the dual zone console.
LOL it did :D
So your headlight switch doesn't have the push/pull?
My VY has the same normal switch as the VZ, neither have factory fogs.
AllWheelSlide
14-04-2011, 08:20 AM
LOL it did :D
So your headlight switch doesn't have the push/pull?
My VY has the same normal switch as the VZ, neither have factory fogs.
No push pull. Looks like a regular commodore switch.
The earlier vt's had push in/out switch.
Nb there is a diff between driving and fog lights, at least for me.
Thanks!
I live at 500m so it's often foggy up here and I can see them actually being useful!
driver
14-04-2011, 10:31 AM
My Addy is without fogs (VY CX8) however when i bought it the dealer said all i needed was the lights, a relay and new switch (pull out type, which mine isnt). The wiring is all there.
My Addy is without fogs (VY CX8) however when i bought it the dealer said all i needed was the lights, a relay and new switch (pull out type, which mine isnt). The wiring is all there.
Thanks Driver, ditto on the CX8 so looks like an easy upgrade for that car!
Just have to get a relay and a couple of the switches and of course the lights for both cars!
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Today!
Fitted the new HVAC unit, much easier than the last car!
Finished washing the engine bay and clipped/connected the new harness, also sorted the relay issue..
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cashie
14-04-2011, 09:04 PM
This is going to look like new when you are finished!!
Did you sort out the fog lights switch? Every VY/VZ I have seen has the push/pull type switch but it appears some are saying the Cross6/8 may be different?
This is going to look like new when you are finished!!
Did you sort out the fog lights switch? Every VY/VZ I have seen has the push/pull type switch but it appears some are saying the Cross6/8 may be different?
I'll detail the subframe when I pull it to install the engine, the car only has 60k Km's on it and apart from being missused by a tradie is mint, no accidents ever :)
I'll upspec to dwell control on the intermittant wipers while I'm at it and grab a 6 disc stereo, think I'll see if I can get the push/pull headlight switches for the fogs, I like the idea of being able to turn them on/off as needed.
(whole idea of fogs is they're low so you don't get glare back in the screen, having low beams on defeats this)
I think it's only VZ Adventras that are hard wired?
Just waiting on a couple of sensors/hoses/clips from Holden and a part to beef up the trans from the USA, for phase #2 I'll rebuild the trans with all the good bits available but for now I'll just strengthen the drum.
AllWheelSlide
14-04-2011, 10:10 PM
Sorry. Brain fart on my behalf my vz adv lx8 has a pull/push switch on the rotation light selector. So I was wrong. Just got home from canberra tonight and checked. Must have been confused after all weekend with my brothers berlina - Doh!
Sorry. Brain fart on my behalf my vz adv lx8 has a pull/push switch on the rotation light selector. So I was wrong. Just got home from canberra tonight and checked. Must have been confused after all weekend with my brothers berlina - Doh!
LOL no probs, understandable having an IQ drop in Canberra ;)
Today!
Reassemble the interior day....
Going slowly as I'm cleaning each part before refitting and to double check the loom routing I pulled the Wagon apart a little ;)
(also wanted to check some of the Climate control bits as the Tonner never had it so I haven't actually "seen" where it all goes)
Put it back together and headed into town for lunch at the bakery, all part of my "don't be an OCD nutjob" on this build!
Not much to show yet so no pic.
End of week!
Got a bit more done this afternoon :)
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doubledip
15-04-2011, 05:05 PM
coming up good :goodjob:
coming up good :goodjob:
Thanks DD it's coming along well, a bit slow but I'm in no rush to finish it!
It's a bit of a Rubick's Cube, there's an order that the dash needs to go together in or you spend time unbolting things... doh!
Still waiting on a few small parts so I'll just keep plodding away at it, veg weekend watching the V8's in NZ :D
Hopefully <fingers crossed> this will get rid of the squeak in the dash it's had since I got it!
ti0350
15-04-2011, 06:43 PM
Hopefully <fingers crossed> this will get rid of the squeak in the dash it's had since I got it!
You should have checked the ash tray for some bolts before pulling the car apart to fix the squeak.. lol
Can't wait to see the finished job, I'm absolutley useless when it comes to doing something like this so I'm at awe when I read about a build like this.
You should have checked the ash tray for some bolts before pulling the car apart to fix the squeak.. lol
Can't wait to see the finished job, I'm absolutley useless when it comes to doing something like this so I'm at awe when I read about a build like this.
LOL or a pair of earrings ;)
Been playing cars for a bit over 30 years now, still learning as I go!
"finished" won't be until the end of the year, for now it'll just be a dead stock V8 AWD Tonner but "should" be a blast compared to the V6, I guess I should qualify that as the V6 had a very effective ESP that meant NO SIDEDWAYS even on wet grass.....
I used to bag on the car for being guttless compared to the V8 wagon! :D
Today!
Just running some wires that "should" have gone in before the dash was installed... DOH!
I'm just about finished on them then can install the console and a few other bits before it comes to a halt while I wait on parts..
Today End!
My Non leather wheel for the Wagon arrived today so I ditched the wiring job and installed that then went into town to check mail, my Trans parts from the US were there so now it's just bits and pieces from Holden left to turn up and it's good to finish :)
Hey what size tyres are you gunna run ?
My advice to you is that there is nothing off-road in 18 inch
and to stick to 17 inch or even 16's .
Hey what size tyres are you gunna run ?
My advice to you is that there is nothing off-road in 18 inch
and to stick to 17 inch or even 16's .
This thing is being built as a fast road car/track toy so won't ever go offroad ;)
I need to sort a brake package for it and that will decode the wheel diameters, was going to use a PBR M Kit but looks like totally different front rotors... :(
must have missed the R/T bit :goodjob:
LOL yep about the only offroad it'll do will be my driveway :)
(means I can slam it as well)
If I were to build it for offroad I'd look at a dual range transfer case and some BIG tires (seen the pic with no engine a few pages back? pg #12)
I've already done that to mine ....... lol
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LMAO!
Cool post some more pics please!
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Input drum reinforcement!
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Today!
Spent part of the morning sorting out my fluro leadlight as it stopped working yesterday...
Pulled the one out of my bead blasting cabinet so I could try the starter and tube to rule them out bzzz nuh nothing that easy, swapped the ballast and it fired up, figured I don't need the bead blaster at the moment so I'll swap the long lead over and replace the ballast later....
bzzzz #2, no go, check the lead with the meter and yep it's broken... ARGGHH ;)
Trim out the broken section of lead wire it up reassemble both lights and refit the one in the BB and it's all good, went back to the wiring on the car I ditched yesterday and finished it off, after lunch I'll install the console then see about pulling the front out of both Auto's and swapping the parts around and fitting the reinforcing kit.
I have to make the run to Holden tomorrow as there was a miscommunication that would mean I'd be lucky to get my parts by Friday..
Today End!
1 step forward, 2 sideways and 1 backwards... pretty normal day all in all ;)
Finished off the Console and started installing it then noticed I'd broken a couple of clips on the Shifter base pulling it out, I HATE rattles/squeaks in cars so rang up and ordered a replacement part so that puts the trip to Holden off by a day...
Another "got-ya" is the plastic pegs that drive the shift indicator, if you don't position them right one will break off... (ordered that as well) also getting a new shift boot, mine for a 6 year old car is in surprisingly bad condition.
Pulled the front out of the V8 Donor trans, looks like it came from a swamp buggy that didn't float or ever have it's fluid changed! (not having a shot at ya Dave just an observation as the hard parts I need from it are fine)
Another "got-ya" is the trans reinforcement kit requires an older style Aluminium Forward Piston to work and as the V8 trans is a late model thing it has the Steel piston that won't work..... I'll see if I can source one here if not I'll chase one up in the USA again...
Today p.s.
Place in the US does a Billet forward piston and a torrington bearing for that location so just e-mailed my mate to get one! ;)
(gotta love the fact I can buy all this off the shelf instead of hours at the CNC making it)
cashie
19-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Sounds like you are still making progress..
Where's today's pics?:1peek:
Sounds like you are still making progress..
Where's today's pics?:1peek:
LOL was Dark when I finished
I'll snap a couple in the morning, sorry ;)
The wiring I did today was Phone and a few accesories, all done in 22g Tefzal with Deutsche connectors :D (a touch overkill but had left overs from the last project)
cashie
19-04-2011, 08:30 PM
Yep, Tefzel is a bit of overkill, use a bit of that at work. Should hold up well and handle a bit of heat from the mobile phone.. :)
Yep, Tefzel is a bit of overkill, use a bit of that at work. Should hold up well and handle a bit of heat from the mobile phone.. :)
Made me LOL for real :D
Today!
Clean up day here so I have room to do the Trans work needed then I can look at bolting the engine in :)
Today End!
Raining and I'm having a bit of a CBF'd day, got enough done and have knocked off!
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Today End!
Headed out early this morning, couldn't see the end of the hood for fog!
Picked up a bunch of parts then did some running around in Melbourne grabbed Macca's for lunch (the new Brownie bites are awesome)
Got home and had a bit of a fiddle installing some of the new parts, still need to track down a pair of the VZ split engine covers...
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doubledip
21-04-2011, 05:47 PM
awesome work... all i can say is you must love this car as i would hate to see your parts bill :)
awesome work... all i can say is you must love this car as i would hate to see your parts bill :)
Thanks DD :)
I don't really keep track of what a project costs, I'd probably drop down dead if I did.....
I don't have any other bad habits so can afford to play.
cashie
21-04-2011, 08:18 PM
awesome work... all i can say is you must love this car as i would hate to see your parts bill :)
Agree, I hope you didn't pay full Holden price for the headunit, these are available new very cheaply from Holmart etc..
BTW, looking very good, looking forward to seeing the engine in. :)
Agree, I hope you didn't pay full Holden price for the headunit, these are available new very cheaply from Holmart etc..
BTW, looking very good, looking forward to seeing the engine in. :)
LOL my Holden guy looks after me on prices but can't even come close to Holmart's pricing ;)
DaveHAT
21-04-2011, 09:23 PM
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And with this little bunch ... the financial future of General Motors Holden is secured for another 12 months!! :D :lol:
Brilliant build bloke ... no questioning your keeness! :bravo:
And with this little bunch ... the financial future of General Motors Holden is secured for another 12 months!! :D :lol:
Brilliant build bloke ... no questioning your keeness! :bravo:
:lmao: here MrHat
Today's effort was one of the less intense $$$ wise, rocker covers hurt a bit as I milled the Coil posts off the old ones for clearence in the last car (yes it was that tight)...
Hopefully someone will see this and has a pair of engine covers they'd like to part with, I've posted an WTB ad just waiting for it to be approved!
With any luck the rest of the Auto parts will be here next week then I can reassemble it bolt it to the engine and into the car :D
Toddler78
21-04-2011, 10:16 PM
Mate this is looking tops :goodjob:
I look forward to the updates every day. If I could give some constructive critisium/advice. the handbrake, gear lever and steering wheel would look good in the brushed silver like the centre console surround
good luck with the WTB thread, hopefully few members help you out where they can with some good prices
Mate this is looking tops :goodjob:
I look forward to the updates every day. If I could give some constructive critisium/advice. the handbrake, gear lever and steering wheel would look good in the brushed silver like the centre console surround
good luck with the WTB thread, hopefully few members help you out where they can with some good prices
Thanks Toddler :)
I use these threads as a bit of a sounding board and it helps me plan/organise my builds, it's always good to get input from other people as they often see things "differently" and can add a lot.
My other threads have always ran to about 4000 posts before I shut them down and start a new version (I'm a SuperMod on a US forum so bandwidth isn't an issue)
Being a bit isolated at the new property forums are a good way to "hang out" and keep in touch, bit like an interactive blog, I wasn't sure how well this concept was going to work here as at first LS1.com felt a bit harsh/confrontational ;)
Happy to say everyone that's contributed have been positive and supportive so thanks for that!
Always welcome any offtopic discussion in my threads, think of it as an online version of my real shed where people can drop by and have a yakk about what they're up to, it helps keep things in perspective.
I can see what you mean about the brushed interior parts, maybe later once I get it all running and get phase #2 under way I can concentrate on making it a little prettier, I tend to build for function first, none of my cars have ever been what you'd call show quality but have all been "drivers"!
All I can say is IMPRESSED! Not only for your level of dedication to getting the build right, but also for your dedication to keeping the forum informed :goodjob:
Now I'm done blowing wind up your skirt :) I have to say I'm looking forward to as many details you have for the Climate Control conversion as I want to do this on my VY as well, plus the intermittent wiper conversion too. (and of course the V8 conversion as this is what brought me here in the first place!).
I don't think mine will be as complicated as yours as I don't need to worry about the ESP stuff, but info is power as they say, I'll be learning as I go but I don't have the time to have the ute off the road for too long as it's for work.
I had a heap of stuff written here but I've moved it to my own thread to keep yours on topic, so if you have time would appreciate some advice.
Keep snapping pics and gotchas, you're doing a great job at a high level of detail.:bow:
All I can say is IMPRESSED! Not only for your level of dedication to getting the build right, but also for your dedication to keeping the forum informed :goodjob:
Now I'm done blowing wind up your skirt :) I have to say I'm looking forward to as many details you have for the Climate Control conversion as I want to do this on my VY as well, plus the intermittent wiper conversion too. (and of course the V8 conversion as this is what brought me here in the first place!).
I don't think mine will be as complicated as yours as I don't need to worry about the ESP stuff, but info is power as they say, I'll be learning as I go but I don't have the time to have the ute off the road for too long as it's for work.
I had a heap of stuff written here but I've moved it to my own thread to keep yours on topic, so if you have time would appreciate some advice.
Keep snapping pics and gotchas, you're doing a great job at a high level of detail.:bow:
Happy to do it Dub, ask away while it's all fresh in my mind (OldNforgetful)..
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Today!
Went out and pulled the inner plastic liner on the front left as I bought a couple of Power Antennas the other day, one for the Tonner as it didn't have one at all and one for the Wagon as it's one would only go 1/4 way up...
Fitted the Tonner's one then knocked a dent out of the Wagon where the plastic flare meets the guard, this was the only dent in the whole car so now it's gone!
Fitted the antenna confirmed it works now then had a play with HP Tuners, very adjustable so I'm happy, I'll educate myself on all the available parameters before I start screwing around with too much ;)
Weekend!
Had the boys up for the weekend, changed 2 diff's and had a 3rd car up on the Hoist for a little work, did the BBQ thing last night and talked shit till late!
Just got a PM about some Engine Covers so will head down tomorrow and collect them!
Today!
Just got back from collecting my Gen4 6.0L Engine covers!
Pretty well the last piece of the puzzle for stock parts, thanks Mark!
Today!
Went out and reassembled a bit more of the interior and refitted the Windscreen scuttle, wipers and trim with the new bits I bought :D
Found another "stock" piece to order.....
the Charging/Starter loom is a seperate piece and different to the V6 one so I added that to my list.
All of my pics are being relocated to another Server as the traffic here is slaughtering my personal bandwidth each month ;)
They can all be found here (http://ij.supramania.com/public/), each new update I'll post the pic in the thread.
The list of bits & pieces that are different just keeps getting longer hey?
Thanks for the update on the charge/start loom. Will watch out for that on mine.
The list of bits & pieces that are different just keeps getting longer hey?
Thanks for the update on the charge/start loom. Will watch out for that on mine.
LOL yep, it was one of the first things I removed then promptly forgot all about.....
I could cut the V6 one to fit but I'm really trying to make this all as factory as possible for now to simplify the rego.
macca33
26-04-2011, 03:47 PM
Posted on behalf of the OP.
All of my pics are being relocated to another Server as the traffic here is slaughtering my personal bandwidth each month.
Each new update I'll post the pic in the thread.
Direct link here:-
http://ij.supramania.com/public/
cheers
Thanks Macca!
In case anyone is wondering where the pics went, the above link has them all!
guess I could seed them over the next couple of pages!
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