What is with ridiculous old FPV GT prices?

[troytroy]

After flicking through another "Unique Car" magazine today - yet again I am confronted by 50-60 year old men trying to flog off their 3 year old middle-aged-crisis garage dust accumulators....(hell, they weren't driving the bloody things - hence they all have low km's) Probably because of the terrible fuel economy?

But what makes these guys different to the red corner is that they're completely oblivious to depreciation and believe that a couple of stickers prevents the depreciation phenomenon.

I'm specifically talking about the blue and white GT COBRA's with a whopping 302kw (pretty much the same power as a 2001 released HSV GTS:goodjob:) and the slightly more tasteful 40th Anniversary GT's circa 2007.(a GT they covered in gold stickers this time to flog more of them). Now I know that HSV does equally lame attempts at flogging their cars - but why is it that just about EVERY GT is seemingly (according to their owners) a limited edition, rare, special release model when fundamentally - it's just a glammed up GT. Is this possibly the best example yet of marketing gurus at FPV exploiting their gullible demographic?

I love how every one of their adds harps on about rarity and build numbers :spew:. Of course they were rare - who else were buying expensive FPV V8's over the last decade! FPV V8 sales compared to HSV sales are the best indicator of this. Do they realise that they were "rare" was because they were not popular/not competitive?

Are they trying to cash in on (albeit late) the muscle car Ford XY GTHO phenomenon?

Either way I wish they'd hurry up and pull their head out of the sand because they're clogging up Unique cars (and evry online car sales place) with their bloody cars which appear month after month - exploiting Unique Car's 'advertise it till you sell it' policy.

:soap:

Hell, you could have this one for just under a $100,000:
http://www.uniquecarsales.com.au/pls/unique/!unique_content.enquiry?current_rec=1&page_number=1&vehicle_id=9085044&total_rec=138&sort_type=3&ucategory_id=1&keywords=fpv%20gt

Which is a steal compared to the 40th anniversary GT advertised on Page 199 of Unique Cars for a whopping $110,000

or this COBRA for $88,000:
http://www.uniquecarsales.com.au/pls/unique/!unique_content.enquiry?current_rec=2&page_number=1&vehicle_id=6709105&total_rec=138&sort_type=3&ucategory_id=1&keywords=fpv%20gt&photo_flag=1

[stealth vn]

what were these cars worth new?

[seedyrom]

Must want to keep it. Wife says sell, "sorry honey ... no one is interested"

From Redbook

Valuation Prices
* Private Price Guide $43,700 - $48,000

* Trade In Price Guide $36,000 - $40,300

* Average Km 45,000 - 75,000

Price Guide $65,110* Price Guide

Badge Cobra

Series BF Mk II

Body Sedan

No. Doors 4

Seat Capacity 5

Transmission Manual

Gear Location Floor

Drive Rear Wheel Drive

Fuel Type Petrol - Unleaded ULP

Recommended RON Rating 95

Release Year 2007

http://liveimages.redbook.com.au/redbook/car/spec/FPV%200092.jpg

http://liveimages.redbook.com.au/redbook/car/spec/FPV%200093.jpg

[HDSNAP]

i think its they didnt sell alot so there isnt alot of second hand ones for sale so people can ask more and get more for there resale. if some one wants some and there hard to get they will pay more for it

[Thunderbird-1]

Hahaha I'm pretty sure these blokes fell for it when the salesman convinced them they would be a real 'collectors item' hahahaha idiots! I love the last one, aparently only driven by 'elderly lady'.... Do they really think people are that stoopid??!!

[rodp]

Limited edition, I guess they're hoping someone has a hankering for one. I've seen the anniversary models asking $120k+ as well with 0kms on the clock.

Sorry, they're not that exclusive.

[NuffNuff]

is that concept art or are the panel gaps really that bad?

[VY18s]

They have to make up some how for the fact they'll get chewed up by a VE SS.:goodjob:

[Torxteer]

These things sold out quite quick. But it was obvious some people were trying to make a quick buck because some were listed only a few months after they came out with prices close to $100k. The 302 engine was unique at the time but then FPV put it in the remaining BFs so isnt that special now. Not really a smart investment.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

someone will buy them in time...a guy i know at my mechanics payed 50k for an imaculate elgt. If its unique and rare eventually someone who is in love will buy....it happens with models on either side of the fence. Get over it.

[Brandonsdad]

Dont worry, there will be a few people flogging off their W427's in a couple of years for $250,000+.:1peek::)

[VY18s]

someone will buy them in time...a guy i know at my mechanics payed 50k for an imaculate elgt. If its unique and rare eventually someone who is in love will buy....it happens with models on either side of the fence. Get over it.

The difference is an EL GT is infact a rare, and unique car. Ford made it a stand alone model, and to see one in person now is an extremely rare sight. I think I've only seen 2 EL GTs in my entire life.

BA/BF GTs on the other hand are not "rare". I see them all the time. A sticker with "Cobra GT", or "40th Anniversary" doesn't make any difference IMO.

It's the same on this side of the fence. The only new car I feel that has the potential to rake in some dollars is the W427, because that's more than a sticker, and minor power upgrade job.

[mickeyVX350]

I think, in my opinion, FPV haven't "aimed" the GT at a particular market - is it a hard edged performance car? is it a luxury saloon? If it is homage to the original GT's then I think it fails. The GT doesn't look like a hard edged agressive vehicle, with racing pedigree that gives the impression that it is going to push you back in your seat. The GT looks like a luxury car, very sedate, and not with that "look at me" factor.

HSV / Holden have been very good at positioning their products in each niche. The GTS harks back to the GTS nameplate in the Monaros - race cars, and despite what you think of any generations styling, they look the business, angry, and fast (perhaps over the top!).

For luxury, we know that you buy a Senator or a Grange, sport, a Clubby or a GTS.

I am not sure Ford have thought this through - I find the F6 to look much more aggressive than the GT.

[SM1DY]

The GT looks like a luxury car, very sedate, and not with that "look at me" factor.


I know what you mean, that bonnet bulge and those racing stripes are so subtle.

[mickeyVX350]

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I know what you mean, that bonnet bulge and those racing stripes are so subtle.

Yeah, I just made that up for giggles.

GTs don't grand out at all, stripes, well they're exclusive, and a pov XR8 has them. Where is the 'look at me'? You have to really focus to see the GT on them. The only GT I would have is the limited edition with gold stripes. GTSs are far more in your face. F6s are the puck for a car that looks the business.

[planetdavo]

PLENTY of people in the red corner ask drug money for their cars too, just there are so many more for sale the higher priced ones often get lost within the rest of the ads...

[SM1DY]

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GTs don't grand out at all, stripes, well they're exclusive, and a pov XR8 has them. Where is the 'look at me'? You have to really focus to see the GT on them. The only GT I would have is the limited edition with gold stripes. GTSs are far more in your face. F6s are the puck for a car that looks the business.

I think you've got a pretty one eyed perspective on this. Also, you can't order a XR8 with stripes, it's the owners put them on after they get them and they all look horrid.

[willz]

I dont think its just ford owners.

http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!unique_content.enquiry?vehicle_id=8747236

Theres a HRT clubby. Thats $25k more than i paid for mine this time last year. Yes mine did have ~20k more km on it. You could argue that its just a base model clubsport with some white highlights. And you would be correct. I got mine because it was cheaper than buying an R8 and i wasnt particularly fussed about a leather interior. I figured as a plus it was a bit different.

If someone else out there wants it because they have a passion for HRT and they are willing to pay the cash go for it. Good luck to the guy selling it.

[redvxr8clubby]

I think it must have been the Sydney motor show in 2007 - I saw the Cobra at the show and equivalent Limited Edition Clubsport (20th Anniversary of HSV) at the time - the beige one. I always thought from a resale perspective the Cobra would have been the better buy. Will these cars go for anything like this price, I doubt it, but I think they will go for more than equivalent Clubsport of the day. The fact as to whether they have have much more than a non Cobra doesn't matter that much. They are the genuine artical, limited edition, 30 years on from the XC Cobra's and Moffat, Bond 1 - 2 win at Bathurst 1977. Why not have a go getting silly money for it, if someone is willing to pay it, if not keep the car and enjoy it, or accept an offer you may get. If you don't ask you won't get.

[planetdavo]

Unique Cars should be enough of a warning in itself.
Full of ego driven tossers selling their supposed objects of love...

[troytroy]

Dont worry, there will be a few people flogging off their W427's in a couple of years for $250,000+.:1peek::)

I have less of a problem with owners trying to gouge ridiculous money for a W427 - at least that has a completely different engine (and a comparatively rare and expensive engine) that was at least uniquely Australia's fastest/most powerful model had unique technical and engineering specs compared to the standard GTS.

Stickers are not what makes a collectors item.

[captain awesome]

I think you've got a pretty one eyed perspective on this. Also, you can't order a XR8 with stripes, it's the owners put them on after they get them and they all look horrid.

mate i agree with you on the gt stripes looking rubbish on the xr8's and they look even worse on any other falcon
but i love the bonnet bulge stipes and thats why i put them on mine.

[Jarhead]

Why do people care so much about what other people are doing?

If the sale of THEIR car doesn't appeal to you then don't buy it.

I used to own a BF GT-P and contrary to the beliefs of many on this forum it really wasn't all that far behind the R8 in terms of performance. At most it was a couple of tenths behind to 100km/h and 400m.

Interestingly the GT 335 is now faster then the GTS by the same kind of margins and now people are saying it's only a couple of tenths - hardly a whooping.

Do yourself a favour and explore the concept of "circle of influence vs. circle of concern". Then these type of things just won't bother you anymore.

For the record I agree the asking prices are ridiculous but I don't spend a nanosecond worrying about it.

[M&Ms]

I used to own a BF GT-P and contrary to the beliefs of many on this forum it really wasn't all that far behind the R8 in terms of performance. At most it was a couple of tenths behind to 100km/h and 400m.

Interestingly the GT 335 is now faster then the GTS by the same kind of margins and now people are saying it's only a couple of tenths - hardly a whooping.

What's the thing I love most about Ford's 5.4 motor? It's the fact that it was, and still is, one underrated engine (especially by holden fans who, 95% of the time have never driven one (or probably don't even have a drivers licence to do so)). It's one engine that cops a huge bashing by people all over. Tell them first hand stories how (stock for stock) an XR8 can come up trumps over an XR6T, and you get called a liar and referred to a shrink.... Long live the underdog IMO

hehehe.... :)

oh, and while we're on the subject of ridiculous prices, check out the link from the other thread....

http://www.carsales.com.au/used/hsv/w427/

[The_Plague]

Unique Cars should be enough of a warning in itself.
Full of ego driven tossers selling their supposed objects of love...

Good point, if the car is so ****ing great then why is it on the market?

Its like people who say "yes, we are divorced now, but we still love each other", wake up dick head, at least someone in the relationship not only stopped loving the other (if they even did to begin with) they now genuinely ****ing hate the other person.

[Bingo BIlly]

Hi,

Some salesman caught these ol timers who grew up wanting a gt and can now afford one.

Now the wife is giving them a kick in the arse to sell it but whos gonna buy them? Any sort of astute buyer will go buy the new miami supercharged 5.0 boss 335, surely.

For similar money would you ever consider that no torque 5.4 lump of???

Those guys have been caught with these cars now they are looking to land someone more silly than them

[VECALAISV8]

We could say the same for all the idiots with Monaros / HSV Coupes.. Lol :goodjob:

[Djbarnstar]

What's the thing I love most about Ford's 5.4 motor? It's the fact that it was, and still is, one underrated engine (especially by holden fans who, 95% of the time have never driven one (or probably don't even have a drivers licence to do so)). It's one engine that cops a huge bashing by people all over. Tell them first hand stories how (stock for stock) an XR8 can come up trumps over an XR6T, and you get called a liar and referred to a shrink.... Long live the underdog IMO



That boat anchor turns the car into an understeering snowplough due to excessive weight.

[brentonsav]

yeh, so many monaros and gto's for sale.

they will take years to appreciate - at the moment they are an older model with an outdated motor. in 2030 they will be worth something with low k's

[dawkinsdisciple]

We could say the same for all the idiots with Monaros / HSV Coupes.. Lol :goodjob:

except it doesn't look like it was stickered up by a guy in a supercheap carpark who's insane enough to think his GT + stickers actually makes it an exlusive and valuable car, people wouldn't mind being seen in the coupe and there seems to be a lot more of these deluded GT sorts flogging their shameful joys at inflated prices...

you could try saying the same for the coupe owners, you just might look like a bit of a troll doing so...

[VECALAISV8]

you could try saying the same for the coupe owners, you just might look like a bit of a troll doing so...

Isnt that what ive already said?? :)

Theres always some fool somewhere that thinks his wonderful car is worth double what its really worth.. Not everyone who has money is intelligent you know.

[dawkinsdisciple]

Isnt that what ive already said?? :)

Theres always some fool somewhere that thinks his wonderful car is worth double what its really worth.. Not everyone who has money is intelligent you know.

and i couldn't agree with you more there!!!

[zorro]

Hate to say it but I dont think HSV or FPV have gone anywhere near the original nameplates that the cars they have now are sold as.

You have a mass produced vehicle for a market, not a 'dealer special with a 350' for example. They are all the same, much to everyones disgust that the anniversary models got a silly sticker on them and nothing else.

HSV has only once stepped out of that with the release of the W427 and Ford have uttered comments of releasing a very hot GT BUT wont use the 'HO' in the badging as it isnt a GT-HO.

Meh let people sell for what they think its worth, obviously in no hurry to sell their cars.......


I think, in my opinion, FPV haven't "aimed" the GT at a particular market - is it a hard edged performance car? is it a luxury saloon? If it is homage to the original GT's then I think it fails. The GT doesn't look like a hard edged agressive vehicle, with racing pedigree that gives the impression that it is going to push you back in your seat. The GT looks like a luxury car, very sedate, and not with that "look at me" factor.

HSV / Holden have been very good at positioning their products in each niche. The GTS harks back to the GTS nameplate in the Monaros - race cars, and despite what you think of any generations styling, they look the business, angry, and fast (perhaps over the top!).

For luxury, we know that you buy a Senator or a Grange, sport, a Clubby or a GTS.

I am not sure Ford have thought this through - I find the F6 to look much more aggressive than the GT.

[Bingo BIlly]

Isnt that what ive already said?? :)

Theres always some fool somewhere that thinks his wonderful car is worth double what its really worth.. Not everyone who has money is intelligent you know.



People without money must be less intelligent though.

They probably handed over their money for a gt with stripes