GearBox

[SINISTER R8]

Hey .. I was just wondering
it it ok to put full synthetic automatic transmission fluid into a 6 speed manual v8 gearbox. have heard that u can do it and it runs great, can yous give me an idea of the pros and cons of it all. how often to service it and what overall damage it would likely do if it did turn to shit.
cheers

[GMMAD]

yes the T56 use ATF
transmax Z widely used
in most cases it will give you smother shifts
no down sides

[SINISTER R8]

righto ' how often do you have to change it before you do get a downside ..
? because the gearbox is making a loud noise .. crunching and whairring through the gears . Sometimes won't even shift into third gear and also sticks using the others its a hassle to even put into gears

[Blown 454 AWD]

Mainlube has the correct fluid for the T56, made especially for it :)

Mainlube Synthetic Solid Boundary E P gear Oil SAE 75w80

Available in 5 litres for the T56, no need to fill extra through the reverse switch.

ATF just doesn't provide enough protection for the T56, Synthetic ATF will quieten the box for 15 - 20000 then back to a noisy box.

You can go to www.Mainlube.com.au and check out the Filtergrams in the performance vehicle section and see the metal still being freely made when using any other oil but Mainlube 154.

We first check Mainlube 154 with Filtergram at 60,000 klms to see how its going, we expect over 100,000 klms for the oil, life from there depends on contamination levels as we haven't had the oil show as unserviceable in the T56 apart from contamination. (so you can't wear the oil out in the T56)

Available direct from me with very reasonable courier rates door to door.

Mainlube Synthetic Solid Boundary E P gear Oil SAE 75w80 is $56.80 per litre +gst.

We also have the Rare Earth High Temperature Drain Bung Magnet that removes any metal made from enthusiastic gear changes (these last the life of the car) for $77.00 +gst

Cheers

Steve

[TIR33D]

So are you saying about $280 + shipping for 5 litres?

[SINISTER R8]

okay yeah .. but wouldnt i get the same if i used pethrite oil ?..for my gearbox ..

[duke5700]

FWIW I use Mainlube and it literally transformed the box. My little brother doesn't have the same kind of money to spend and used the Penrite oil and it also seemed to work quite well, but it doesn't have any of the effort and additives that go into the Mainlube to suit different climates etc etc. I guess the essence of what I am trying to say is a real gear oil that is made to suit the T56 transmission and its parts is much better than ATF.

[SINISTER R8]

Arh okay .. so my partner put .. automatic transmission in his gear box .. and now im having problems with the car .. big time .. cant get it in an out of third gear since he put it in .. and yet he got the information off this forum .to do that .. so obviously it dont work on your gear boxes at all .. and took it to Holden and other mechanics and they said it was stupid to even put that in your car .. and that they aren't surprised that the gear box didn't Blow .. not to be putting anything in your car bar the oil that is made for that car .. unless you think your a race car driver or something .. some people on here need to get there fact's right i think before they post stuff like that ...

[old_mate]

what fluid did he put in? I had Dextron 3 in the Crewman when i bought it, wasn't bad but was a little noisy and hard to get in gear occasionally when it's cold, i really wanted mainlube but couldnt afford it at the time so i went with the Penrite gear oil and it's a whole lot better. Like a different gearbox.

[NeishaVESS]

I put Penrite Gear Oil 70 in my VE and it is 70% better then what was in it from factory. I sent a PM about the mainlube but never got a reply so I went the Penrite manual gearoil 70. specially made for a T56.

Shaun

[SINISTER R8]

he didnt even use any gear oil at all .. he just used automatic transmission fluid ... in the gear box .. because some idiots on here told him too .. HA .. and now the gear box is seizing up .. NICE ONE whoever decided to make a post on that you need some lessons in what oils need to be put into a gear box .. and really should not get on here if you know nothing about that kinda stuff .. .. young guys think they know all ..

[duke5700]

he didnt even use any gear oil at all .. he just used automatic transmission fluid ... in the gear box .. because some idiots on here told him too .. HA .. and now the gear box is seizing up .. NICE ONE whoever decided to make a post on that you need some lessons in what oils need to be put into a gear box .. and really should not get on here if you know nothing about that kinda stuff .. .. young guys think they know all ..

ATX Fluid is the factory fluid in a T56. As long as he sourced the correct rated fluid he shouldn't of had an issue. The issue with the T56 is some of the materials inside are not compatible with normal gear oils hence Mainlube and Penrite devolping gear oils to suit, thus giving a much better feeling gearbox with less wear.

[old_mate]

when it comes to ATF in T56
young guys
Holden

same same.

[BLACK 346]

he didnt even use any gear oil at all .. he just used automatic transmission fluid ... in the gear box .. because some idiots on here told him too .. HA .. and now the gear box is seizing up .. NICE ONE whoever decided to make a post on that you need some lessons in what oils need to be put into a gear box .. and really should not get on here if you know nothing about that kinda stuff .. .. young guys think they know all ..

No lessons needed at all, the idiots were 100 percent correct :rofl:

[SINISTER R8]

No lessons needed at all, the idiots were 100 percent correct :rofl:

right and how do you come to that ?

[skidmarx]

Its common knowledge that the T56 uses ATF/Dextron 3.

Mabey the issue here is that... if you dont know what your doing, leave it alone?

Anyway. Keep digging.

/popcorn

[Blown 454 AWD]

Fark guys, use the search button, there's 1000's of people on here with my gear oil in, if you haven't got solid boundary gear oil the box will wear prematurely.

Reread my post on the first page, go and look at the Filtergrams and see the metal you're making.

Cheers

Steve

[BLACK 346]

right and how do you come to that ?

130+ thousand k's of trouble free T56 abuse.

Would love to try the mainlube and see if it makes any improvement to
shift quality, but cannot justify the cost for a car that now gets driven
once a fortnight.

[BLACK 346]

Available in 5 litres for the T56, no need to fill extra through the reverse switch.

I am confused, I thought the extra fill through the reverse switch was
the only way you could get the correct amount into the box, nothing
to do with how much was in the bottle :confused:

[BECAUZ]

How many litres of oil do you need for a diff oil change? Whats the correct procedure? Is it as easy as doing engine oil? Can you flush a diff? Lastly, is this T56 what is in a MY9.5 SSV?

Very dud but very keen to learn.

Cheers.

[justin_d]

Surely after reading the info on this forum you'd confirm with a mechanic or two? I use this forum for information and treat it as a general guide. I always double check with my mechanic before I do ANYTHING to my car (from a particular oil in whatever component to the length of string for the fluffy dice) because he knows what he's doing. The old saying of measure twice cut once isn't a good one for no reason. If you don't know what you're doing or don't have all the info, don't do it. Even a call to a Holden stealership would be better than just going by one or two people's opinions on the internet.

[deverson1]

Hi

I have used transmax z on both my vx ss and vy clubbie both are manual and both run better than ever. If you doubt using automatic transmission fluid have a look on the gearbox it says on a big orange sticker to use automatic transmission fluid. Manual fluid is bad for these gear boxes not the other way around also have a read through the owners manual if you dont believe me.

Thanks Daniel

[stumps57L]

Agreed Transmax z in my ss

[skidmarx]

i use auto trans fluid in t56's, and never had a drama, i also use it in my 2 stroke dirt bike gearbox, never had out of the ordinary metal dramas........ and if you have holden do your servicing, have a guess wat oils they use ;)

[SINISTER R8]

Ha Ha .. for all your information .. I took it to Holden today .. and they had laughed and said you should never had put auto transmission fluid in the gearbox at all .. that is why my gears are sticking and that i could of blown it big time .. AND no it does not have it on the manual in mine . .. so in saying that i guess you listen to people who actually deal with those car's everyday and don't go listening to people who love to experiment on cars and post crap on here


Hi

I have used transmax z on both my vx ss and vy clubbie both are manual and both run better than ever. If you doubt using automatic transmission fluid have a look on the gearbox it says on a big orange sticker to use automatic transmission fluid. Manual fluid is bad for these gear boxes not the other way around also have a read through the owners manual if you dont believe me.

Thanks Daniel

[BLACK 346]

Ha Ha .. for all your information .. I took it to Holden today .. and they had laughed and said you should never had put auto transmission fluid in the gearbox at all .. that is why my gears are sticking and that i could of blown it big time .. AND no it does not have it on the manual in mine . .. so in saying that i guess you listen to people who actually deal with those car's everyday and don't go listening to people who love to experiment on cars and post crap on here

Are you for ****ing real? You come on here asking for advice and then
proceed to basically call all the forum members a bunch of wankers that
post crap. Close the door as you leave :wave:

[SINISTER R8]

lol.. no i didn't call all the forum members a bunch of wankers .. get off your high horse .. i was quoting to the people who had wrote the post on putting auto transmission oil in a Vx manual gear box idiots .. who obviously don't know what they are talking about coming from a mechanic from Holden its self so how about you get your panties out of a knot before you jump on my back ..


Are you for ****ing real? You come on here asking for advice and then
proceed to basically call all the forum members a bunch of wankers that
post crap. Close the door as you leave :wave:

[SirNemesis]

lol.. no i didn't call all the forum members a bunch of wankers .. get off your high horse .. i was quoting to the people who had wrote the post on putting auto transmission oil in a Vx manual gear box idiots .. who obviously don't know what they are talking about coming from a mechanic from Holden its self so how about you get your panties out of a knot before you jump on my back ..

Read the god damn manual.

[moconn20]

... so in saying that i guess you listen to people who actually deal with those car's everyday and don't go listening to people who love to experiment on cars...

like..the..guy.that..put..the.. ..wrong..oil..in..your..gearbox?


Read the god damn manual.

+1. Its a no brainer.

[SINISTER R8]

dont get me wrong i think my partner is and Effing idiot for putting that oil in that car and i didn't know untill now .. so that is why i asked on here .. and he was told on HERE that too put the auto transmission into the gear box bla bla bla .. so he did .. .. i read the manual and i know what my car takes and so forth .. how about you read my first post's .. gee your all like a bunch of hot headed males on there periods ..

[skidmarx]

Oh this is too funny.

Did he put NoS energy drink in their by mistake?

[willz]

You read the manual?

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/snack_wench/Specs.jpg

To me auto and manual gearboxes both take Dexron III....

[SINISTER R8]

noooo he put red bull in there .. .. Is that all you got ?


Oh this is too funny.

Did he put NoS energy drink in their by mistake?

[skidmarx]

You have definately got some misinformation somewhere. Maybe its best that your vehicle maintinece is left to Holden.

Starting to read a but like this
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570

[SINISTER R8]

Yes i did .. and your manual is totally different to mine as i have a HSV clubby .. and yes it does say you can put the dextron into it .. but Holden does not recommend it at all



You read the manual?

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/snack_wench/Specs.jpg

To me auto and manual gearboxes both take Dexron III....

[SirNemesis]

Yes i did .. and your manual is totally different to mine as i have a HSV clubby .. and yes it does say you can put the dextron into it .. but Holden does not recommend it at all

How bout we see a scan of your HSV clubby manual?

[LS1-5.7]

How to win friends and influence people ..101

[ls1vt209]

What exactly did this so called Holden Tech tell you should be in the gearbox then?

[SINISTER R8]

and you your manual has .. auto transmission for an AUTO .. my car is a manual V8 .. totally different .. as to why you would put a thinner oil in it ..is totally stupid is what i am saying .. try it in your car .. and tell me what happens to it .. Penrite is the oil that should be put into a 6 speed gearbox .. Id'e like to know for the smart ass's on here are any of you actual Holden mechanics or are you just googling everything

[BLACK 346]

dont get me wrong i think my partner is and Effing idiot for putting that oil in that car and i didn't know untill now .. so that is why i asked on here .. and he was told

Couldn't work out for the life of me why you were not listening, but the
above statement gave it away lol

He is not an idiot, he has done nothing wrong fluid wise, rest easy on
that one. I would say something else has caused the problem with your
gearbox.

[BLACK 346]

and you your manual has .. auto transmission for an AUTO .. my car is a manual V8 .. totally different .. as to why you would put a thinner oil in it ..is totally stupid is what i am saying .. try it in your car .. and tell me what happens to it .. Penrite is the oil that should be put into a 6 speed gearbox .. Id'e like to know for the smart ass's on here are any of you actual Holden mechanics or are you just googling everything

You will find a lot on here will take their cars to Performance shops rather
than dealerships :) Check out the forum sponsor section for someone
near you.

[SINISTER R8]

It dosent state what to put into the gearbox its all for an automatic ..but i have a manual so that is why i frigen went to HOLDEN .. and asked them myself .. and they told me to use Penrite gear oil ..



How bout we see a scan of your HSV clubby manual?

[ls1vt209]

It dosent state what to put into the gearbox its all for an automatic ..but i have a manual so that is why i frigen went to HOLDEN .. and asked them myself .. and they told me to use Penrite gear oil ..

What specific Penrite Gear Oil.

I have a VT with T56 (Yes this is a manual) and I run Transmax Z, a auto transmission fluid and guess what, 50000km of flogging it and it is still going strong. Oh and before that I put Automatic trans fluid, Castrol Dex 3 in it and it ran fine. Perhaps you should clarify what oil you were told, or put in it then come back.

[GMMAD]

A HSV is exactly the same running gear as the SS,exec etc
T56 from the factory come with ATF
thats is the recommended oil for them
penrite T56 gear oil is fairly new to the market so what where holden using for the last 10 years prior to penrite being released? :idea:ATF

[willz]

Yes i did .. and your manual is totally different to mine as i have a HSV clubby .. and yes it does say you can put the dextron into it .. but Holden does not recommend it at all

Funny I have a manual clubby too.

Mine has mainlube oil in it. Much better than the factory ATF.

[deverson1]

I have transmax z in my manual vy clubsport r8 and it is an auto transmission fluid and my manual says dex III. Just Jack the car up and there will be a sticker which says dextrin III it is there from new yes that means Holden recomend using dex III. I have no issues at all never had and my other car is a manual vx v8 so before you go calling people idiots who actualy know what is what and actualy do use the fluid recomended maybe check your facts and get off your soap box I live in Brisbane and am only to happy to show you the manual out of my vy r8 clubsport I will even Jack both my cars up and show you the sticker

[moconn20]

Yes i did .. and your manual is totally different to mine as i have a HSV clubby .. and yes it does say you can put the dextron into it .. but Holden does not recommend it at all

Soooooo the manual (handbook, the one in your glovebox, just to clarfiy) says one thing, but "Holden" disagrees with it? Who do you think makes the manual (handbook)?


It dosent state what to put into the gearbox its all for an automatic ..but i have a manual

I find it hard to believe that Holden produced seperate manuals (handbooks) for both manual's and auto's. Pretty sure your manual (handbook) will have details for both autos and manuals.


and you your manual has .. auto transmission for an AUTO .. my car is a manual V8 .. totally different ..

Look at his scan again... then look 2 lines below the automatic oil info.


Hey, if your fella is on this forum, do you reckon you could let him on the computer to explain what actually happened?

[Avalanche]

wow i am so lucky that i got Sonny to drain the the ATF fluid that came in our new tourer & replaced it with mainlube. I dont know how we managed to get it into gear with that atf stuff. I better take it back to a holden dealership & get them to check it out........


Ohh thats right, it will never go near a holden dealership for any service work.
Gee i needed a laugh. Thanks to the OP.:goodjob:

[skidmarx]

Ha Ha .. for all your information .. I took it to Holden today .. and they had laughed and said you should never had put auto transmission fluid in the gearbox at all .. that is why my gears are sticking and that i could of blown it big time .. AND no it does not have it on the manual in mine . .. so in saying that i guess you listen to people who actually deal with those car's everyday and don't go listening to people who love to experiment on cars and post crap on here


oh ok, my bad, for a second there i was sure i was an ex holden mechanic...................:goodjob:

[duke5700]

huh.........

[SINISTER R8]

LMAO .. yeah and im a frigen Porn star lol .. .. no my hubby isnt here he is away with the army .. and like i said .. it did say you can put it in there but Holden did say to me .. not to put it in there and it shouldn't have been put in there .. these are words from the guy i saw .. so im only repeating what i was told today .. so obviously he knows what his talking about or dosent .. and im sorry but some of the guys on here don't know what they are talking about and google half the crap .. and i wrote on here to ask for a answer that is it .. not to get SOME OF you half witts being complete WANKERS .. with your G.I Joe bullshit talk .. .. don't like hearing anything other then what you think is right .. and if you don't like EFFING hearing it get the FARK off my post



oh ok, my bad, for a second there i was sure i was an ex holden mechanic...................:goodjob:

[BLACK 346]

LMAO .. yeah and im a frigen Porn star lol .. .. no my hubby isnt here he is away with the army .. and like i said .. it did say you can put it in there but Holden did say to me .. not to put it in there and it shouldn't have been put in there .. these are words from the guy i saw .. so im only repeating what i was told today .. so obviously he knows what his talking about or dosent .. and im sorry but some of the guys on here don't know what they are talking about and google half the crap .. and i wrote on here to ask for a answer that is it .. not to get SOME OF you half witts being complete WANKERS .. with your G.I Joe bullshit talk .. .. don't like hearing anything other then what you think is right .. and if you don't like EFFING hearing it get the FARK off my post

I am tipping that you are using your other halfs account to post this shit aren't you Peter?

[justin_d]

LMAO .. yeah and im a frigen Porn star lol .. .. no my hubby isnt here he is away with the army .. and like i said .. it did say you can put it in there but Holden did say to me .. not to put it in there and it shouldn't have been put in there .. these are words from the guy i saw .. so im only repeating what i was told today .. so obviously he knows what his talking about or dosent .. and im sorry but some of the guys on here don't know what they are talking about and google half the crap .. and i wrote on here to ask for a answer that is it .. not to get SOME OF you half witts being complete WANKERS .. with your G.I Joe bullshit talk .. .. don't like hearing anything other then what you think is right .. and if you don't like EFFING hearing it get the FARK off my post

So once again you've just exposed the mechanic at the stealership as having nfi. I guess it can be broken into these simple points:

+ The vehicles ALL CAME OUT WITH AUTOMATIC TRANS FLUID IN THE BOX. HSV, Holden, all manuals the same so therefore the mechanic at the stealership is a retard as Back To The Future was a film and Holden/HSV haven't been able to go back in time and retrofit their manual boxes with Penrite.

+ Either the fluid was put in incorrectly, the volume of fluid put in was wrong, the gearbox has had enough, someone tried changing gears in a manner in which the gearbox was not designed for or something else is the issue.

Look, the read was fun for the first page or two but it's been a bitching session the past few pages. Sorry that you've got issues with your box now but there's something else there. No need to have a sook at the people on the forum who clearly know what they're talking about in this case.

[Blown 540]

LMAO .. yeah and im a frigen Porn star lol .. .. no my hubby isnt here he is away with the army .. and like i said .. it did say you can put it in there but Holden did say to me .. not to put it in there and it shouldn't have been put in there .. these are words from the guy i saw .. so im only repeating what i was told today .. so obviously he knows what his talking about or dosent .. and im sorry but some of the guys on here don't know what they are talking about and google half the crap .. and i wrote on here to ask for a answer that is it .. not to get SOME OF you half witts being complete WANKERS .. with your G.I Joe bullshit talk .. .. don't like hearing anything other then what you think is right .. and if you don't like EFFING hearing it get the FARK off my post

Hahaha i like you ,your very funny ,you have balls or maybe good drugs, did you really listen to the guy at the holden dealership.

I think these guys are speaking to fast for you , we should get them to slow down so maybe you can take a small part in.

Keep up the good work.

Watermelon.

[VYSHSV8]

What exactly did this so called Holden Tech tell you should be in the gearbox then?

Some Fang Dangle expensive stuff so the customer gets another ripping then when they aren't looking proceed to big Pump connected to tank that says Auto trans oil Dex III and pump 4 litres into gearbox and give the bill to them for an exorberant amount and then chuckle and say know who's the Dip SH!T

:lmoa:

[OzExcalibur]

This one has my vote for funniest thread ever :goodjob:

[SINISTER R8]

say what ?



I am tipping that you are using your other halfs account to post this shit aren't you Peter?

[VYSHSV8]

say what ?
You couldnt understand what he was saying is your name Peter

[GR346]

I thought this was gonna be another dull night shift - lmao :rofl:
Ignorance is obviously bliss

[SINISTER R8]

No it's not ..


You couldnt understand what he was saying is your name Peter

[VYSHSV8]

No it's not ..

Ah ok I see you have just removed the signature then:goodjob:

Now what is ya name and how about signing up under your own name and stop using your other half's account and making him look bad :):)

[VZ_V8]

This thread is hilarious!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh and I am also using Transmax Z in my MANUAL T56 and it's quiet as a mouse.

FWIW In order of people who I would trust when it comes to information about my car. Holden dealerships would be at the bottom of my list.

http://avatarfarm.com/forum/forumimages/upsthisthreaddelivers.jpg

[deverson1]

It is so funny that no one will back you up on this. What holden dealer did you take the car to? I would like to call them my self and ask why they have changed their recomended gear box oil. And why after 10 services they still use dex III in my clubsport. I think you have wrecked you partners gear box and you are looking for some one to blame :goodjob:
To me it sounds like total B.S that a holden service tech would say not to use dex III. Like I have said I have 2 cars and yes 1 is a R8 Clubbie with transmax Z and they both run great one for over 50000 Ks with track use as well. Maybe it is more the way it is driven !!!!!!!

[moconn20]

. no my hubby isnt here he is away with the army

So who really put the oil in the gearbox?


. .. and like i said .. it did say you can put it in there but Holden did say to me .. not to put it in there and it shouldn't have been put in there .. these are words from the guy i saw

So youre believing a guy you saw at a Holden dealership (yet to be confirmed that he was even a mechanic) over the engineers that made the car and produced the manual (handbook).



. and im sorry but some of the guys on here don't know what they are talking about and google half the crap ..

If you had bothered to use google before posting on here you would have had your answer (being the same answer everyone else has given you) without looking like an idiot.


Quick question... do you use the clutch when changing gears?

[VZSSTT]

U no its funny alot of people think if you work at a dealership you MUST no everything about a product, For example yesterday if i am an unemployed mechanic i should not give advice but if i stroll into holden and get a job then i am automatically an expert in everything "Holden" Alot of people would take the advice of a 1st Yr Apprentice Mechanic working at holden over someone with 30 Yrs Industry experience......

[smokey777]

U no its funny alot of people think if you work at a dealership you MUST no everything about a product, For example yesterday if i am an unemployed mechanic i should not give advice but if i stroll into holden and get a job then i am automatically an expert in everything "Holden" Alot of people would take the advice of a 1st Yr Apprentice Mechanic working at holden over someone with 30 Yrs Industry experience......

im no fan of holden but its funny how everyone presumes all holden dealerships are morons lol

[deverson1]

im no fan of holden but its funny how everyone presumes all holden dealerships are morons lol


Well if this person got the advice stated on here from a Holden dealership they prove once again how F***ed they are. :goodjob:

[skidmarx]

Well, being an ex Holden dealership mechanic, sadly I'd agree with that, I seen alot of knobs pass through dealerships, alot of the aprrentices I worked with turned out to be good mechanics, some, not so good


I also think the op is a knob, that is all

[skidmarx]

Well if this person got the advice stated on here from a Holden dealership they prove once again how F***ed they are. :goodjob:

Ya but did she realy ask Holden, all her posts in this thread make me believe I wouldn't take much of what she claims to seriously

[moconn20]

Ya but did she realy ask Holden, all her posts in this thread make me believe I wouldn't take much of what she claims to seriously

and if she did ask Holden, who at Holden? Machanic, salesman or floor cleaner?

[BLACK 346]

say what ?

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[FooSV8]

Have Switched to Redline High Temp ATF,

was previously running tranzmax z, the difference is like day and night, high rpm shifts are smooth and always slide in, never resists downshifting.

[Blown 454 AWD]

Have Switched to Redline High Temp ATF,

was previously running tranzmax z, the difference is like day and night, high rpm shifts are smooth and always slide in, never resists downshifting.


Drive for 6 months and give me a sample and we'll see how the transmax is doing, I'll test for free.

Cheers

Steve

[Sime]

If the advice was given by the person at the service desk, I don't know how qualified they are to give you that advise. The person I dealt with the other day asked if my Clubsport was a V6 or a V8. There's an indication of the calibre of people they're employing in their service centres. Take everything you read on here with a grain of salt. Spend enough time on here and you'll soon work out who's FoS and who knows their stuff though. Some of the people on here have been specialising in Holden's for longer than your apprentice Holden mechanic has lived.

Anyway, hope they sort out whatever the problem is.