VE Ute tyre wear...STRANGE!

[zapher007]

A queer thing has just happened to my Ute's tyres.

I have always had a good run out of my tyres on my ute and they have always worn out straight and even.

3000ks ago I took it to Holdens to check for a rattle in the back. Turned out it was something in the rear suspension and they fixed it under warranty and problem solved. They didn't mention anything about my tyres wearing strangely at all then.

3000ks later i take it (to a different place as I live in woop woop and getting to a Holden dealer for a service is near impossible so took it to a Nissan place in town as we don't have Holden here) in for a service and they said my rear tyres are worn on the inside edges.

They really have grooved out in such a strange place all the way around on an area that doesn't even touch the ground!!!

I've attrached pics and hopefully someone can help explain what's happened? I don't know if they stuffed up something when fixing the suspension or I just need a wheel allignment (it is doing it to both the rears) or what's happened??

I usually get 40,000ks out of tyres on the ute and these ones are about 25,000ks old.

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[mummbles]

is the wear on the inside or outside edge?

[ultrablue]

that looks like a lot of camber on the rear ,mine have worn on the out side very strange

[zapher007]

is the wear on the inside or outside edge?

On the inside mate....on both rears

[zapher007]

that looks like a lot of camber on the rear ,mine have worn on the out side very strange

Yeah it looks like a tyre of one of those VIP cars in Japan!! ha ha

[mad_industries]

care to post a pic of the rear camber?

[zapher007]

care to post a pic of the rear camber?

I'm not very car minded....does that mean just of the car sitting there on flat ground from behind?

[Souljah]

Incorrect Toe will cause that aswell. You said they've done some work to the rear end and this is the result. I'm tipping a simple wheel alignment will solve your problem.

[JaMeS_2007]

im going to have to say toe aswell.

[vessute08]

I see they're 20's. How low is the ute? Does it carry heavy loads? I could be way off but is it rubbing?

[zapher007]

It's weird to be wearing on a part of the tyre that doesn't actually touch the ground though!!

[HSVREDSLED]

Exactly the same thing that happended to mine. VY Clubsport

[nobraino]

I see they're 20's. How low is the ute? Does it carry heavy loads? I could be way off but is it rubbing?

Could it be bottoming out and scrubbing on the inside of the guard somewhere?

PS Just noticed your load rating is 91. Not 100% but should be 95 for 20's on a VE I think. Probably not related but may not be legal either.

[sixlta]

had the same on my vz Ute, wheel alignment fixed it

[oranpark_addict]

PS Just noticed your load rating is 91. Not 100% but should be 95 for 20's on a VE I think. Probably not related but may not be legal either.

Noticed the low load rating as well but don't think it could impact.

OP, Your lucky you have found this before it escalated to something much worse.

[mad_industries]

I'm not very car minded....does that mean just of the car sitting there on flat ground from behind?

correct.
but like the others have said, toe would be a fairly important factor.
also how low and what load is the ute at roughly each day?
the VE rear end is great in the ability to adjust camber and toe after lowering unlike vz and earlier.

[hRTHSV]

When the back suspension was pulled apart recently they obviously didn't align it or put the bolts back in the same spot when they put it back together. The rear end is adjustable for camber and toe, so I would say the last mechanic who had the rear end apart caused the problem by not wheel aligning it. I saw this same thing on a VE last week end that had a diff change, it ate the outside off the rear tyres in a couple of hundred km's.

[zapher007]

I see they're 20's. How low is the ute? Does it carry heavy loads? I could be way off but is it rubbing?

The ute has been lowered with pedders springs (not sure what sort?) and I never have any weight in the back....and there are no signs of it rubbing anywhere on anything.

Plus it was lowered when I bought it and have done 77,000ks with it and until 3000ks ago never had a problem.


Could it be bottoming out and scrubbing on the inside of the guard somewhere?

PS Just noticed your load rating is 91. Not 100% but should be 95 for 20's on a VE I think. Probably not related but may not be legal either.

Yeah I checked everywhere under the car and no signs of rubbing.

And geez that's amazing that I have possibly illegal tyres on my car!! Joys of living in the country where people have NFI what they are selling!!


correct.
but like the others have said, toe would be a fairly important factor.
also how low and what load is the ute at roughly each day?
the VE rear end is great in the ability to adjust camber and toe after lowering unlike vz and earlier.

I'll put up a pic of the ute to show you how low it is.

And I use the ute as a car. The heaviest thing I think that has ever been in it is my old housemate. He was a bit fat. ha ha.


When the back suspension was pulled apart recently they obviously didn't align it or put the bolts back in the same spot when they put it back together. The rear end is adjustable for camber and toe, so I would say the last mechanic who had the rear end apart caused the problem by not wheel aligning it. I saw this same thing on a VE last week end that had a diff change, it ate the outside off the rear tyres in a couple of hundred km's.

I wonder becasue the suspension was done under warranty I can have anything to come back on and get a discount on some new tyres??

[darcy]

That's a combination of camber and toe.

So not only is the inside more heavily loaded due to the camber, the tyre isn't rolling parrrallel to the direction of the and is consequently continually being scrubbed across the contact patch aswell.

[TIR33D]

The load rating of these tyres is a contributing factor, I see this same wear on late model ford front ends, it is alleviated by using a higher load rated tyre, also your tyre pressure has been low, what the bet the dealer put 32psi in them, and last of all your alignment sucks.
But honestly the pressure and load rating is alot to do with it.

[mad_industries]

agreed with TIR33D
best solution would be to get 4 new, load rated 95 tyres and have a 4 point wheel alignment.
this should see the problem disappear

[DukeZ]

thats a tyre3 seperating.....get ur alignment checked and also run about 42psi in those 20's

[zapher007]

The load rating of these tyres is a contributing factor, I see this same wear on late model ford front ends, it is alleviated by using a higher load rated tyre, also your tyre pressure has been low, what the bet the dealer put 32psi in them, and last of all your alignment sucks.
But honestly the pressure and load rating is alot to do with it.

Thanks for the info. yeah I always put 42 in them but everytime it comes back from a service it has 32.

Should I put 42 in them now to take to the shop to get a wheel allignment? The wheel allignment place is 160ks away from here. I will take it very easy and drive slow. There is no dirt on the way so should be ok yeah?

[TIR33D]

Replace your tyres first. Honestly your less than 500km I would guess from getting a flat/blowout.
Then go get a alignment, good pressure as you stated you won't destroy your tyres on the way there, just get it done soon.

[6.2L.Club]

Adjustable toe links for the rear stopped in VE's in 06 when they had a few break, you cannot even purchase an adjustable link from holden any more.
About the only adjustment you will get for toe is the slop in the holes.
Camber can be adjusted by huge amounts though, again, mainly from the slop in the holes for the linkages.

If the workshop does'nt tighten the bolts tight enough, your alignment will change the first bump you hit. This is why pedders/whiteline put out bolt locks to help stop this happening but not all bolts can be locked.

I would suggest you not drive anywhere on those tyres if you have cords/canvas showing, one rock in the wrong place and your tyre will not hold up.

Definatly get a couple of decent quality load rated tyres and give it a proper 4 wheel alignment but also consider getting some decent bushes and some bolt locks to help hold it where it should be. A few bushes and locks wont send you broke but may help prevent this happening again.

On a side note, call your holden dealer service manager, ask them to check the history of your vehicle repairs and find out if they have a wheel alignment listed as part of the rear suspension repair they carried out. If they didnt and they didnt advise you that you needed one, they are liable for the damage to your tyres as it should be a part of any repair when suspension components are removed/disassembled.