BMW M3 or Mercedes C63 AMG?

[Funky_Munky]

Which would you guys choose and why?

[Wonky]

Never been in an M3 but have been in Mustanger's C63 AMG and it was mindblowing!! :drool: Awesome acceleration for a stock car (have read of a supposedly stoc one doing 12.1 at Heathcote and Muzzy's tune only with minor exhaust mods also did a 12.1 there in full street trim) and brakes to match! :goodjob: Plus various articles I've since read put it ahead of the M3.

[NickS]

I have driven both ... the M3 didn't feel all that special on the road, not much different to a run of the mill 3 series. Not a huge fan of the engine noise on it and it really felt like it needed to be worked hard to go fast ... didn't feel super quick down low.

C63 blew me away the moment I started it ... feels fast everywhere, sounds unbelievable, don't need to rev it to feel the grunt. I liked the interior on the C63 more, love the seats ... and 4 doors where a must for me. While I love the look of the 2 door M3 the 4 door just didn't do it for me.

Track = M3
Everyday = C63

No interest in taking it on the track so my choice was easy ... I looked at the M3 (and several others) keeping my options open, but after seeing / hearing everything in the metal there was really only one choice.

:goodjob:

[SAMCRO]

Hey NickS, I want you job so I can have one of them too :)

Good choice tho.:goodjob:

[FAT06L]

M3 for two reasons.

1. C63s are as common as taxis these days.
2. Sold Benz's for two years and i would never own one. My Lexus was better in every aspect besides resale value!

[ssberlina]

I have driven both ... the M3 didn't feel all that special on the road, not much different to a run of the mill 3 series. Not a huge fan of the engine noise on it and it really felt like it needed to be worked hard to go fast ... didn't feel super quick down low.

C63 blew me away the moment I started it ... feels fast everywhere, sounds unbelievable, don't need to rev it to feel the grunt. I liked the interior on the C63 more, love the seats ... and 4 doors where a must for me. While I love the look of the 2 door M3 the 4 door just didn't do it for me.

Track = M3
Everyday = C63

No interest in taking it on the track so my choice was easy ... I looked at the M3 (and several others) keeping my options open, but after seeing / hearing everything in the metal there was really only one choice.

:goodjob:

Exactly the same impression I had when I drove the M3 and the C63 and I was sure before I drove them that I wanted the M3.
The difference was so chalk and cheese that I only had one option.
The AMG.

[BECAUZ]

how about the M5? I would have thought that was the C63 amg competitor not the M3?

Either way if i ad the dosh i'd be getting the amg, the sheer sound and ride quality is unbelievable

[feistl]

Hmm, id probably go the M3 just because i cant dealing with Mercedes Benz Dealers. It might be different if your in an AMG, but the standard department is horrible.

That said i have no idea if BMW are any better... At least there are more dealers around.

[Mega76]

how about the M5? I would have thought that was the C63 amg competitor not the M3?

Either way if i ad the dosh i'd be getting the amg, the sheer sound and ride quality is unbelievable

M3 and C63 are around the same type of money. M5 a lot more. Probably M5 vs E63 would be the comparison.

[Funky_Munky]

I have driven both ... the M3 didn't feel all that special on the road, not much different to a run of the mill 3 series. Not a huge fan of the engine noise on it and it really felt like it needed to be worked hard to go fast ... didn't feel super quick down low.

C63 blew me away the moment I started it ... feels fast everywhere, sounds unbelievable, don't need to rev it to feel the grunt. I liked the interior on the C63 more, love the seats ... and 4 doors where a must for me. While I love the look of the 2 door M3 the 4 door just didn't do it for me.

Track = M3
Everyday = C63

No interest in taking it on the track so my choice was easy ... I looked at the M3 (and several others) keeping my options open, but after seeing / hearing everything in the metal there was really only one choice.

:goodjob:

Funny you say that as it seems to be the feedback from a lot of people who have driven both cars. Ive heard both the C63 and M3 at WOT and the C63 is porn to the ears.

Not too concerned about the whole 2 door issue. It would come down to the driving experience.


M3 for two reasons.

1. C63s are as common as taxis these days.
2. Sold Benz's for two years and i would never own one. My Lexus was better in every aspect besides resale value!

C63 is common? I thought they would be more rare than the M3 in Sydney.

Good thing is that Im looking to get the M3 Monte Carlo edition so it would be fairly rare in Oz. Dont think there would even be one on the roads.

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw_m3_edition_2009_029.jpg


how about the M5? I would have thought that was the C63 amg competitor not the M3?

Either way if i ad the dosh i'd be getting the amg, the sheer sound and ride quality is unbelievable

Wayyyyyy out of my price range.

[JuiceSSV]

C63 is getting common, I see more than stocker C class mercs some days.. but definitely the choice if a road car. The M3 is a nice car for the track but you might as well go and buy a Nissan GTR?

[aedeau]

I like the M3 sedan with the stock 18" wheels, not the 19s. From a distance it looks pretty much just like a normal 3 series and very stealthy :) ... maybe if the c63 had a bonnet buldge ;)

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/41349286.jpg
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/41349285.jpg

[701let]

Have had both cars for consecutive weekends recently and the answer is easily the c63... M3 was nice but the c63 absolutely blew me away. Feels slot faster , actually it almost feels scary fast and sounds better, much better insudecand IMO looks better but both look great

[iloveholden]

C63 for me.

Now i havent been in either car but from the reports i read the C63 sounds more like the car i'd buy. Reasons;

1. The M3 coupe looks nice but if you want a 4 door the C63 looks better. I really dont like the rear end treatment on the 4 door M3, too standard 3 series looking. I think the Audi coupe's also give some of the BMW's a run for their money in the looks department.

2. The C63 stock is super quick and sounds like amplified thunder compared to the m3.

3. As a daily, i dont like the idea of having to thrash the M3 around the place to make it feel quick, it seems you can drive the C63 with ease everywhere and yet it still feels quick. Yet poke it with a stick, and it moves and smokes the rears :burnout:

The only negative i can see with the C63 is there are a few around at the moment. I see at least 3 or 4 everyday on my drive to work. For a 130+k car it isnt hugely exclusive. I've actually only seen a handful of the new M3's anywhere!

There is probably a good reason for the above though, the C63 is pure porn! :)

[255-LS1]

C63 sounds bad ass.

always giggle like a school girl when i hear one being paiud out on :lol: sounds mental

thats enough to get my vote lol

[feistl]

Am i the only one who thinks the ~2000 M3 was the best looking BMW in the last 20 years? I know the performance/features on the new model are awesome, but the styling is "interesting". Personally, id love a brand new M3 with the old body style...

[JuiceSSV]

The Z4 M looks pretty hot.. kinda rare too. Love the stealth look of the M3 Sedan :)

[GODSMACK]

LOL @ comments saying they have seen 3 or 4 or 5 around, and now they are 'common'...

Yet in the street presence thread, HSV's are the bees knees, yet they are more common than the C63, ten fold...

Argh forums are a funny place...

[HSVDKB]

M3 and C63 are around the same type of money. M5 a lot more. Probably M5 vs E63 would be the comparison.

Correct M5 competitor is the E63. I drove both before buying the E63 for most of the same reasons people are choosing the C63 over the M3. I have no doubt the M5 would be quicker around a track but to live with for everyday use the E63 wins easily.

[Marco]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the M3 is available with a manual and the C63 is not.

That, for me, would be enough to seal the deal for the M3. Preferably in black or grey, and I'd get the sedan rather than the coupe.

I notice that you're not considering the Audi S4? Any reason why?

[razorline]

[quote=aedeau;1842562]I like the M3 sedan with the stock 18" wheels, not the 19s. From a distance it looks pretty much just like a normal 3 series and very stealthy :) ... maybe if the c63 had a bonnet buldge ;)

I have driven this car, it's up at Motorline BMW at Currimundi, my father was upgrading his 335 at the time. After getting out of the 335 and into the m3 you would have to think long and hard about buying one, it was far from an inspiring car to drive. After driving a number of cars he ended up buying a X6m
f8cks me why!:confused:
Liam

[GODSMACK]

[quote=aedeau;1842562]I like the M3 sedan with the stock 18" wheels, not the 19s. From a distance it looks pretty much just like a normal 3 series and very stealthy :) ... maybe if the c63 had a bonnet buldge ;)

I have driven this car, it's up at Motorline BMW at Currimundi, my father was upgrading his 335 at the time. After getting out of the 335 and into the m3 you would have to think long and hard about buying one, it was far from an inspiring car to drive. After driving a number of cars he ended up buying a X6m
f8cks me why!:confused:
Liam

4.4 L 554.6 PS (407.9 kW) V8 Twin Turbo... and 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) in 4.7 seconds... Not bad for a 4wd...

[seldo]

I frequently drive my son's M3, but think it's pretty aweful as a daily driver - far too hard and harsh. Frankly, I far prefer my Senator.
But as a track car - awesome!
So - it would be C63 for me, by a ratio of about 10:1.

[bonners]

Straight up the C63 out of those two.

If the question was asked when the C63 came out and the Audi RS4 was still around, my answer would not have been that easy to come to. My favourite car was the RS4 - I just simply couldnt afford one.

But now, the C63 is certainly my choice. The look the goods and sound horn.

[JuiceSSV]

Agree RS4 was an unbelievable car..! especially the wagon.

haven't seen any c63 wagons yet?

[SharkBiscuit]

for similar money, a Lexus ISF should be on the radar too, they sound awesome and I've seen a couple going round Sandown at a similar or better pace than c63s even the black series.

[Snapper]

Having driven both the choice was easy. Pick up a new C63 on Thursday. :)

As far as "how common" they are, I couldn't care less, it is that good to drive and the cabin is such a nice place to be. As a daily the big thing I noticed was the torque on tap feeling rather than having to rev the ring bit out of the M3. Like others have said on the track the M3 is king, but as I drive 99.5% of the time on the road the C63 for the win.

So now my 2007 Nickel silver GTS needs a nice home, anyone interested please take a look in the vehicle classifieds.

[csv rulz]

Having not been in either, but based on reviews I have seen, I think the C63 would be the pick for everyday living. Unfortunatly when in Eltham over christmas i reckon i passed about 4 of them on the way to my cousins place in Warrandyte. Seems HSV's are more exclusive than them at the moment which is a shame when youre shelling out so much money.

[GODSMACK]

Seems HSV's are more exclusive than them at the moment which is a shame when youre shelling out so much money.


:confused:
I lose count of the amount of HSV's i see in one day, i can count the amount of M3's and C63's i see in a day on one hand...

[Marco]

Interesting that those who've actually driven the M3 aren't that impressed!

[blu ute]

C63 for me. :yup:
:bow:

[701let]

Interesting that those who've actually driven the M3 aren't that impressed!

Yeah mate I always loved m3s and was so excited when I went and got it but honestly it just wasn't that special... I never would have imagined the c63 would be so amazing but it is... IMO it's on another level to an m3

[NickS]

I live / work in a pretty expensive area of Sydney ... I'd be lucky to see 2 other C63's a week!

Interesting that some reckon they are "as common as a taxi" ... :confused:

[Uwish]

The problem with teh C63 is its a real auto. FFS PDK anyone?
I would wait to the new TT 6 M3. I am sure that thing will get its bad arse rep again.
C63s are to common, FFS to many wogs have them now ( Im a wog ).

as for M5 vs E63... M5 all day everyday. I loved driving it. Can't wait for the new M5!

[csv rulz]

I live / work in a pretty expensive area of Sydney ... I'd be lucky to see 2 other C63's a week!

Interesting that some reckon they are "as common as a taxi" ... :confused:

Didnt say they were as common as a taxi, I really like them. However on Christmas day driving between Eltham and Warrandyte (5-10min drive) I passed four C63 going the other way, I couldnt believe it. However that was probably just a coincidence.

[ssv 427]

jeniffer hawkins or mirranda kirr? im shore we'd settle for either one guys really
:rofl: both are pretty tuff cars to me i do like the c63's alot more though must admit, and it would be good if mirranda kirr come with it too:)

[Speedy Gonzales]

I wouldnt choose either, it isnt difficult to work out that putting a souped up 6.2 V8 into a light shell is going to move.

I see C63s all the time, too common, M3s are rarer, have only seen a couple.

I do like the AMG, would I pay 130K OZ for a car I can buy for 50K US? No

[clubbie]

Voted for C63

Read post #3 from NickS....pretty much sums it up for me and saves me typing half a page.

[PC12]

2005 M3. Just awesome.

New M3, still nice. The thing I liked about the older M3 is what a six that ate most V8's

[Funky_Munky]

Edit - poll results: C63 is at 77 and M3 is at 17. Didnt realise it would be that much of a landslide. Just when I had made my mind up on the M3 as well.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the M3 is available with a manual and the C63 is not.

That, for me, would be enough to seal the deal for the M3. Preferably in black or grey, and I'd get the sedan rather than the coupe.

I notice that you're not considering the Audi S4? Any reason why?

Not really a fan of the S4. Dont like the exterior styling at all.


Interesting that those who've actually driven the M3 aren't that impressed!

My thoughts exactly. It almost sounds as though well below average car and on par with a standard 3 series.


I wouldnt choose either, it isnt difficult to work out that putting a souped up 6.2 V8 into a light shell is going to move.

I see C63s all the time, too common, M3s are rarer, have only seen a couple.

I do like the AMG, would I pay 130K OZ for a car I can buy for 50K US? No

Australian prices for Euro cars are absolutely criminal. Even though the AUD has hit parity with the USD, prices have not gone down one bit. Bloody extortionists.

[Micks]

Forget about the Euro expensive shit & buy a decent Aussie built equivalent as I did! Calais V. Support the local manufacturer & Aussie jobs. :flamin: retardent suit bought & fitted.

Cheers
VYT

[Funky_Munky]

Forget about the Euro expensive shit & buy a decent Aussie built equivalent as I did! Calais V. Support the local manufacturer & Aussie jobs. :flamin: retardent suit bought & fitted.

Cheers
VYT

I have done that in the past, i.e. Ive owned 4 holdens - apollo, VS Exec, VY SS and VZ Clubby. I figure its time I step my game up and give a Euro a go just to change things up a bit.

[Micks]

I have done that in the past, i.e. Ive owned 4 holdens - apollo, VS Exec, VY SS and VZ Clubby. I figure its time I step my game up and give a Euro a go just to change things up a bit.

Mate that's great & good luck. Just remember instead of paying $750 for a Holden BCM module be looking @ approx $2.5K + for a Euro equivalent without exaggeration.

Cheers
VYT

[NickS]

Forget about the Euro expensive shit & buy a decent Aussie built equivalent as I did! Calais V. Support the local manufacturer & Aussie jobs. :flamin: retardent suit bought & fitted.

Cheers
VYT

I've bought plenty of Holdens mate ... still have one in the garage too!

re; the euros, they may be expensive but they certainly aren't shit ... C63 shits all over any HSV I have ever owned ... and I've owned quite a few! My money / my choice.

:D

[sjhugh]

Even though I’ve owned an E63, I never had any intention of ever buying a C63 but that changed the more I looked into one.

After purchasing a 135i as a run about and spending a few months looking after my brother-in-law’s new M3 Coupe I decided it was time to get one. The coupe was out of the question for my needs but a manual M3 Sedan was ideal. In any case, if I was serious about getting a coupe, I think I would have chosen the Nissan.

The BMW dealer didn’t have any stock to test drive immediately so while I had a week or so to wait, I ducked across the road to Audi and checked out one of the last remaining new RS4s. What a great car, it’s a pity it doesn’t have an updated replacement. Still I didn’t want to spend all that money on a run-out car and it was a bit dated compared to the competition. As I was in the mood, I decided to see what the C63 was all about. I also had to wait for a 63 to be available and as it turned out, it and the M3 arrived for test drives on the same day.

The two were much the same when comparing luxury items, a little more technology in the BMW was offset by the C63 being a bit cheaper.

I drove the M3 first and it felt nice and tight as you’d expected from a M car and it was no slouch in a straight line though its power needs to come on quicker and the exhaust note was ordinary in my opinion. I wasn’t a big fan of the look of the C63 but instantly changed my mind when I saw one in person. I also wasn’t interested in an auto until I drove a 6.2 AMG in a smaller, lighter car, it made me stop and reassess my options.

I preferred the look of the C63 and love the way it jumps hard straight out of the box, completely outclassing a stock M3 plus there isn’t many new cars off the showroom floor that could match it for exhaust note. After soul searching over wanting a manual and not an auto, I decided I could live with the auto and that’s when the C63 won hands down for me. My decision was also helped by the fact if I brought a manual M3, its straight line acceleration would be slower than the automated models.

I wouldn’t say the C63 is a better car but it was really the right choice for me. Feeling so brutal to drive also was a big winner in my books.

I personally don’t see many on the road but if they are there in large numbers as other members have said, then that’s a testament to their appeal. Mercedes-Benz sold 1000 AMG’s of all models in Australia for 2010. Maybe the owners just love to get out and drive them a lot and you think you see them everywhere.



Forget about the Euro expensive shit & buy a decent Aussie built equivalent as I did! Calais V. Support the local manufacturer & Aussie jobs. :flamin: retardent suit bought & fitted.

Cheers
VYT


I’ve owned many, many new Holden’s and HSV’s. I’ve recently brought my fourth VE, so me owning a couple of Euro’s doesn’t mean I haven’t played my part in helping the local product. Far more than most who champion the local cars.

How can you possibly refer to the Euro’s as shit?
Where does that leave something like a $90,000 HSV GTS or Senator? Check out the fit, finish and build quality plus all the extra goodies in an AMG or an M car and compare it to a HSV and get real.


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[mustanger]

amg c63.......:)

[surfwagon]

For me if I could afford it, it would be the C63 then the Audi RS4 then the M3.
Would love the wagon version of either the C63 or RS4.

[LJCHSV]

No 'ifs' or 'buts' about... C63 all day everyday. :goodjob:

[duke5700]

I can't afford either and don't think I have even seen a newish M3 in Canberra but I have seen some C63's kicking around and jeeeeez they sound horn. Your looking at a Merc and you expect elegance and style and then its peeling black lines sounding like the devil. Gets my vote.

[FAT06L]

I live / work in a pretty expensive area of Sydney ... I'd be lucky to see 2 other C63's a week!

Interesting that some reckon they are "as common as a taxi" ... :confused:

I live on the Northern Beaches and there are two in my estate alone. Work for a major fund manager and there is 4 in my car park in the city. Will walk down at lunch and take pics. :jester:

[Deco28]

I'd have to go the C63. But throw the RS5 in there for good measure - that thing is a quick machine.

[Youngy789]

I'd go with C63 they sound absolutely awesome. Travelled in one once and it is a great weekend drive with plenty of power when needed!

[Red CV8 R]

I haven't driven either so my comments aren't worth much, although a good mate of mine is about to pick up a new M3 and I could hassle my other mate to drive his C63 but my bank account suggests I should not attempt to try either car ;)

However for me the choice would be the M3 manual coupe, it pushes all the right buttons for me. They look fantastic! I wouldn't want a 4 door toy or even a semi auto (even my Lexus daily banger is a manual) and I don't find the C63 to be an attractive looking car. However I think the 4 door M3 is even uglier than the C63. I think the C63 is cheaper then the M3 coupe though? My mate got quoted just under $200k for an M3 coupe with all the boxes ticked. Still, its what I would want.

However most people seem to disagree with me considering I see a ratio of 1:5 M3 to C63. Yes I can see up to 5 different C63 Mercedes most days. Will see at least 1 a day. They are very popular cars! So one might think that Mercedes are doing something right.

http://www.c63amg.com.au/amg/1000-mercedes-amg-cars-sold-in-2010/

[jai]

Good thing is that Im looking to get the M3 Monte Carlo edition so it would be fairly rare in Oz. Dont think there would even be one on the roads.

http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/bmw_m3_edition_2009_029.jpg



Wayyyyyy out of my price range.

A friend of mine just got one in Singapore. Incl road tax = AUD$380,000

[flappist]

Forget about the Euro expensive shit & buy a decent Aussie built equivalent as I did! Calais V. Support the local manufacturer & Aussie jobs. :flamin: retardent suit bought & fitted.

Cheers
VYT

I would love to.

So when are Holden or Ford going to make a car that does not start to fall to bits by 50,000km and not be totally supersceded by a newer model within a year of buying it resulting in the resale value of a dog turd?

For me no Mercedes as the 3 dealers I have dealt with were worse than council office drones, BMW M3 is nice but the 335i will eat it for 2/3 the money and if I had to choose a 4 door in that price range I would buy an ISF every time. (who is going to believe a hoon line call that they were overtaken by a Corolla or Camry doing 270km/h :))

[Micks]

I would love to.

So when are Holden or Ford going to make a car that does not start to fall to bits by 50,000km and not be totally supersceded by a newer model within a year of buying it resulting in the resale value of a dog turd?

For me no Mercedes as the 3 dealers I have dealt with were worse than council office drones, BMW M3 is nice but the 335i will eat it for 2/3 the money and if I had to choose a 4 door in that price range I would buy an ISF every time. (who is going to believe a hoon line call that they were overtaken by a Corolla or Camry doing 270km/h :))

No worries Son you'll have to stick with the Getz far better vehicle than any old GM or Henry :1peek: till you step into the famous Euro!
Good luck with it. NB: Neither of these use an LSx & not really interested atm.

Cheers
VYT

[LS1 DAY]

the sound of the c63 just makes me smile every time I hear one. As for being to common where I work in melbourne I see a least 2-3 every day sometimes it can be more like 6-8. Its far from a problem though, its great for poor people like me to enjoy seeing and hearing them every day. There providing a community service:lol:

[flappist]

No worries Son you'll have to stick with the Getz far better vehicle than any old GM or Henry :1peek: till you step into the famous Euro!
Good luck with it. NB: Neither of these use an LSx & not really interested atm.

Cheers
VYT

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How do you know my Getz does not have a LS3 in it?

[Deco28]

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

How do you know my Getz does not have a LS3 in it?

This I want to see.

[Funky_Munky]

A friend of mine just got one in Singapore. Incl road tax = AUD$380,000

Which year model?

Anyone have the retail on these things in Oz?

[rodp]

A friend of mine just got one in Singapore. Incl road tax = AUD$380,000

That's pretty cheap considering a Camry will be $155,000+.

Oh, and a Golf GTI is $195,000.

[Marco]

Not really a fan of the S4. Dont like the exterior styling at all.

I'm with you there actually; but I'm not much of an Audi fan of any description, so was curious as to your reason for leaving it off your list :) I'd rule out the S4 simply because I want that V8 sound, and a blown six just isn't going to cut it in that department.

...and now that I've said that, if I was spending that kind of money on a car I'd get a slightly used 911, which doesn't have a V8 either :confused:

[Marco]

I drove the M3 first and it felt nice and tight as you’d expected from a M car and it was no slouch in a straight line though its power needs to come on quicker and the exhaust note was ordinary in my opinion.

Interesting - so is the M3 one of those cars that needs to be revved hard to give its best? I prefer performance cars that feel like they'd tear up the road surface from just above idle if you gave them a little too much throttle - I kinda like that whole "barely contained beast" feel, if that makes sense - so maybe the M3 wouldn't be my cup of tea either.

[Deco28]

Interesting - so is the M3 one of those cars that needs to be revved hard to give its best? I prefer performance cars that feel like they'd tear up the road surface from just above idle if you gave them a little too much throttle - I kinda like that whole "barely contained beast" feel, if that makes sense - so maybe the M3 wouldn't be my cup of tea either.

The M3 always pulls hard, but with a rev limiter of 8300rpm, it definitely gives its best at the top end.

[Uwish]

Interesting - so is the M3 one of those cars that needs to be revved hard to give its best? I prefer performance cars that feel like they'd tear up the road surface from just above idle if you gave them a little too much throttle - I kinda like that whole "barely contained beast" feel, if that makes sense - so maybe the M3 wouldn't be my cup of tea either.
Marco, we know you are soft.
RPM is where its at.

[185iboy]

E90/2/3 M3 is a slouch...Driven a handful of them on the road and one at Phillip Island. On the track they're good. Impressive handling and superb gearbox make up for the V8 note with f'all torque. On the road...so twitchy and boring.

For BMW's the 335i is the way to go without a doubt with the 7 speed twin clutch box. Or else C63 all the way.

[theblueweapon]

I am driven quite a few cars in my time and quite im pressed with the things I did not expect. To compare apples with apples you have to compare the M5 with a Merc wagon. You be the judge. Check this out: YouTube - Audi R8 vs. Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG Wagon - Car and Driver

[Marco]

Dug out an old issue of Wheels this morning for interest where they took a whole bunch of V8 performance cars on a lap of Tassie and their conclusion was that the M3 was best! This was in a field that included the C63, Audi R8, GTS, and Jag XFR.

[hsv-105]

Dug out an old issue of Wheels this morning for interest where they took a whole bunch of V8 performance cars on a lap of Tassie and their conclusion was that the M3 was best! This was in a field that included the C63, Audi R8, GTS, and Jag XFR.

BMW must have spent the most on advertising that month :rofl:

[BNGTO]

Dug out an old issue of Wheels this morning for interest where they took a whole bunch of V8 performance cars on a lap of Tassie and their conclusion was that the M3 was best! This was in a field that included the C63, Audi R8, GTS, and Jag XFR.

That article probably summed up the comparison between the two well near the end; basically the balance of the M3 was the highlight for them as it's just a lot more sharp where they described the C63 more as a 'bully'. Depends what you like to drive.

That only won out on the R8 as it was half the price; RS5 as a coupe I think is as good as the R8 in every way except looks and driving position and perhaps even better with grip so that might be an interesting option. But it's only a coupe, and the S4 is a series production model and not a different bodies RS4 so that's not perhaps as appealing; having said that, I'd go for that with a chip and modified exhaust in a a heartbeat; 500 horse with Awd and torque vectoring makes a pretty quick car, at a far lower price than an RS6

[chevypower]

M3 when the turbo 6 comes out.

[Carby]

That article probably summed up the comparison between the two well near the end; basically the balance of the M3 was the highlight for them as it's just a lot more sharp where they described the C63 more as a 'bully'. Depends what you like to drive.

That only won out on the R8 as it was half the price; RS5 as a coupe I think is as good as the R8 in every way except looks and driving position and perhaps even better with grip so that might be an interesting option. But it's only a coupe, and the S4 is a series production model and not a different bodies RS4 so that's not perhaps as appealing; having said that, I'd go for that with a chip and modified exhaust in a a heartbeat; 500 horse with Awd and torque vectoring makes a pretty quick car, at a far lower price than an RS6


Yeah I have that article as well - it just goes to show that most of the people on this forum only care for straight line speed.

I'd take the M3 any day - it has a pedigree that the Benz just does not have. What Benz have done rather well is fall back on a well known formula for performance and that is toss the biggest donk in the company's arsenal into the smallest sedan you have - Bingo we have a fast car!! Next fast Benz is likely to be called a C68 or something, where is the lineage like the M3 has?

That M badge ( or the old M Power on the rockers) really told a story. Here is a car that from the first 2.3 litre 4 cylinder has developed into a car that you can drive everyday and yet in performance terms (covering all facets of performance) speed, braking, handling and steering and doing it reliably few cars could keep up - certainly if they were to do 12 hour at Bathurst all things being equal I'd have a big stack of money on the M3 to beat the C63 home - why? Because it's in it's DNA.

The C63? To me it's akin to the F6 as opposed to the GTS - great in a straight line but for all round performance you would take the GTS. :)

[TLX]

M3 when the turbo 6 comes out.

x 2 here:)

[mustanger]

The next model C63 will have a 5.5 litre V8 with twin turbos.........:)

[ClubbyLs1]

M3 for two reasons.

1. C63s are as common as taxis these days.
2. Sold Benz's for two years and i would never own one. My Lexus was better in every aspect besides resale value!

I'm with you FAT06L, I work with 63's now and I am so sick of the pretencious owners and their "oil usage issues"
Maybe when the twin turbo version is released that MAY be a different story but for now, the 63 sucks. :flipoff:

I'd rather stick with my VE than own a benz! I have not had anything to do with the M3 so I cant comment on them.

[Uwish]

The next model C63 will have a 5.5 litre V8 with twin turbos.........:)
WRONG, Merc have already said the C class isn't getting the new v8 TT.
M3 ftmfw

[Deco28]

I'm with you FAT06L, I work with 63's now and I am so sick of the pretencious owners and their "oil usage issues"
Maybe when the twin turbo version is released that MAY be a different story but for now, the 63 sucks. :flipoff:

I'd rather stick with my VE than own a benz! I have not had anything to do with the M3 so I cant comment on them.

It might burn oil, but it definitely doesn't suck! That engine is a marvel.

[Deco28]

WRONG, Merc have already said the C class isn't getting the new v8 TT.
M3 ftmfw

Except the C-class Coupe AMG has been confirmed to get it later his year.

It will filter to the Sedan eventually.

[NickS]

I'm with you FAT06L, I work with 63's now and I am so sick of the pretencious owners and their "oil usage issues"
Maybe when the twin turbo version is released that MAY be a different story but for now, the 63 sucks. :flipoff:

I'd rather stick with my VE than own a benz! I have not had anything to do with the M3 so I cant comment on them.

C63 sucks and you'd rather own a VE ?

Whatever floats your boat mate ... but you come across as someone who can't afford something nice so you just rubbish it and anyone who can afford it. I've owned 4 VE's and I'd take the C63 over any of them, any day, anywhere, any time!

Same with the M3 for that matter ...

Doesn't mean I don't like the VE, just means the C63 / M3 are in another league.

[ClubbyLs1]

C63 sucks and you'd rather own a VE ?

Whatever floats your boat mate ... but you come across as someone who can't afford something nice so you just rubbish it and anyone who can afford it. I've owned 4 VE's and I'd take the C63 over any of them, any day, anywhere, any time!

Same with the M3 for that matter ...

Doesn't mean I don't like the VE, just means the C63 / M3 are in another league.

NickS, if you had to work with them all day long and listen to all the winges and whines that the owners come out with, you 2 might have a different opinion.
Maybe yours is a freak that hasnt given you ant problems YET! and maybe you are the only owner that has followed the advice from the manufacturer and driven it EASY for the first 1000 km's

You are right in one part. I dont have enought money to buy one but even if i did, guess what.... there would NOT be one parked in my garage! even if they are the cheapest AMG option and one of the quickest.

Just an EDUCATED opinion. sorry. :)

[Martin_D]

Biggest problem I have come across with the C Class is the lack of quality on the interior plastics. MB raved on about their new tactile surfacing, however the trim around the shifter area etc. has shown to peel and fail very early on in the cars life. I know this from having owned one :)

[Wonky]

NickS, if you had to work with them all day long and listen to all the winges and whines that the owners come out with, you 2 might have a different opinion.

Are the whinges and whines justifiable or are they just the rantings of owners who expect perfection just because they've paid more money for them than a "taxi"?

[37_Duck]

This one is straight from the Mrs:
"I've raced against both on Nurburgring and the M3 handles way better. The C63 beat it in a straight line(That is what it looked like on the track!), but the M3 was better all around. BMW have the whole kit... AMG are just patchy in all performance categories..."

I side with her on this one... M3's are a whole lotta fun!

[brasher]

WRONG, Merc have already said the C class isn't getting the new v8 TT.
M3 ftmfw

Suppose that CL63 I'm looking at right now is non turbo ay :rofl:

Nope.... 1 and 2 of them.

It hammers.

[FAT06L]

NickS, if you had to work with them all day long and listen to all the winges and whines that the owners come out with, you 2 might have a different opinion.
Maybe yours is a freak that hasnt given you ant problems YET! and maybe you are the only owner that has followed the advice from the manufacturer and driven it EASY for the first 1000 km's

You are right in one part. I dont have enought money to buy one but even if i did, guess what.... there would NOT be one parked in my garage! even if they are the cheapest AMG option and one of the quickest.

Just an EDUCATED opinion. sorry. :)

So agree with this about benz customers... its usually the C Class owners who give the biggest dramas... ie. the benz customers who arent mega wealthy and expect the world.

i had the pleasure of selling the 2nd ever SL65AMG for just over half a million dollars back 5 or so years ago and the thing broke down within the first month and spent the next 3 weeks in our service department waiting for parts from Singapore. this happened way too often unfortunately.

awesome cars but not built and designed for australian conditions.

on the other hand, had the pleasure of driving a Lexus ISF on the weekend (matte black with black rims and red pinstriping if anyone from the northern beaches has seen it) and i must say it was awesome. not very friendly every day but why would you buy one if you werent expecting a harsh car? :goodjob:

[seldo]

....on the other hand, had the pleasure of driving a Lexus ISF on the weekend (matte black with black rims and red pinstriping if anyone from the northern beaches has seen it) and i must say it was awesome. not very friendly every day but why would you buy one if you werent expecting a harsh car? OT - but, I was talking to him the other day in Manly and he told me it's a white car that has been vinyl-wrapped. Said it took 3 days...

[mustanger]

So agree with this about benz customers... its usually the C Class owners who give the biggest dramas... ie. the benz customers who arent mega wealthy and expect the world.

i had the pleasure of selling the 2nd ever SL65AMG for just over half a million dollars back 5 or so years ago and the thing broke down within the first month and spent the next 3 weeks in our service department waiting for parts from Singapore. this happened way too often unfortunately.

awesome cars but not built and designed for australian conditions.

on the other hand, had the pleasure of driving a Lexus ISF on the weekend (matte black with black rims and red pinstriping if anyone from the northern beaches has seen it) and i must say it was awesome. not very friendly every day but why would you buy one if you werent expecting a harsh car? :goodjob:

Spoken like a true car salesman.....Full of crap.........so now you are saying Toyotas are better ....:lol:

[Roonstain]

C63 AMG all the way for me!!!
The noise for a stock, legal car is awesome!

Also, I just prefer beefier cars, whereas the M3 just seems to be trying to hard. One could say I hold similar tastes to Jeremy Clarkson as opposed to Hammond in this case.
And regardless of the tech involved, cubes will always win it for me!

If I buy a car after my wagon, I would be extremely tempted to try and find a tidy second hand C class AMG

[NickS]

.. had the pleasure of driving a Lexus ISF on the weekend

Personal opinion only ... but the ISF bores the shit out of me, no character what so ever, I didn't even consider it a competitor of the C63 / M3.

Some may disagree of course ... :D

[ozzgti]

Suppose that CL63 I'm looking at right now is non turbo ay :rofl:

Nope.... 1 and 2 of them.

It hammers.

A bit of a rookie mistake there I’m afraid.

The CL is not a C Class coupe so is not relevant to what Uwish said. Just so you are aware it is in effect an S Class coupe in all but name.

[csv rulz]

A bit of a rookie mistake there I’m afraid.

The CL is not a C Class coupe so is not relevant to what Uwish said. Just so you are aware it is in effect an S Class coupe in all but name.

But isnt the CL (even being an S Class Coupe) based on the C class sedan??? So if they are based off the same car and they have put the 5.5LTT into the CL63 it would only make sense that they would also put it into the C63

[mickeyVX350]

I am going WAY OT and not trying to be too much of a d!ck, but it seems like C63s are becoming a bit of a fashion statement on here. A couple of respected members get one, and everyone else wants to throw there Holden to the tip - it's viral! If you could do a report on the DB for the forum for those who have them, I am sure there'd be an exponential growth in ownership.

I am aware that we are all mature people and accept other cars (some do!) but there is a lot of "Holdens aren't any good" sentiment on here - and last time I checked it said "Australian LS1 and Holden forums" so why do I feel like a low income bogan for liking my Holden? I hear the term "It's time for a euro" why? I am a proud Aussie and like to support local manufacturing, even if the profits go OS, at least workers are getting employed!

Is the purchase of the C63 evolution? The VE has been about for a while, so is this why people are looking to another brand? Is there now some snobbery because Holdens are common?

I am not sure of all this, I am reading a lot of the responses and threads on the c63. i quite like them, but don't think I will buy one, nor an M3, M5, etc... I'd prefer to keep investing my money in appreciating assets and enjoy my "bogan mobiles"!

to go On Topic, buy either, they are both nice, but stop bagging MY choice in manufacturer to justify one purchase over the other!

[ozzgti]

But isnt the CL (even being an S Class Coupe) based on the C class sedan??? So if they are based off the same car and they have put the 5.5LTT into the CL63 it would only make sense that they would also put it into the C63

Nope- the CL is based on a shortened S class sedan platform. Quite separate to a C class sedan.
Note they are about to release C Class coupe based on the C Class sedan (which is itself a bit bizarre given the ‘E Class’ coupe is also based on the C Class sedan!!)

[Wonky]

I am going WAY OT and not trying to be too much of a d!ck, but it seems like C63s are becoming a bit of a fashion statement on here. A couple of respected members get one, and everyone else wants to throw there Holden to the tip - it's viral! If you could do a report on the DB for the forum for those who have them, I am sure there'd be an exponential growth in ownership.

I disagree from a personal point of view having been in Muzzy's C63 AMG and seen it at the drags - the power, brakes and handling just blew me away!!

If someone gave me $50k or so I'd definitely buy a new Senator (along with selling mine privately) but add another $50k or so I'd be in a C63 AMG. :yup:

[csv rulz]

Nope- the CL is based on a shortened S class sedan platform. Quite separate to a C class sedan.
Note they are about to release C Class coupe based on the C Class sedan (which is itself a bit bizarre given the ‘E Class’ coupe is also based on the C Class sedan!!)

Thankyou, thats the one i was thinking of, the E class coupe. I new one of them was based on the C class sedan. my mistake.

When i was in melbourne a couple of months back i got passed by an SL63 Black - i have never seen anything so wide it was insane. :drool::drool::drool:

[csv rulz]

I am going WAY OT and not trying to be too much of a d!ck, but it seems like C63s are becoming a bit of a fashion statement on here. A couple of respected members get one, and everyone else wants to throw there Holden to the tip - it's viral! If you could do a report on the DB for the forum for those who have them, I am sure there'd be an exponential growth in ownership.

I am aware that we are all mature people and accept other cars (some do!) but there is a lot of "Holdens aren't any good" sentiment on here - and last time I checked it said "Australian LS1 and Holden forums" so why do I feel like a low income bogan for liking my Holden? I hear the term "It's time for a euro" why? I am a proud Aussie and like to support local manufacturing, even if the profits go OS, at least workers are getting employed!

Is the purchase of the C63 evolution? The VE has been about for a while, so is this why people are looking to another brand? Is there now some snobbery because Holdens are common?

I am not sure of all this, I am reading a lot of the responses and threads on the c63. i quite like them, but don't think I will buy one, nor an M3, M5, etc... I'd prefer to keep investing my money in appreciating assets and enjoy my "bogan mobiles"!

to go On Topic, buy either, they are both nice, but stop bagging MY choice in manufacturer to justify one purchase over the other!


I was wondering how long you were going to bite your tongue for mick.

[NickS]

I am going WAY OT and not trying to be too much of a d!ck, but it seems like C63s are becoming a bit of a fashion statement on here. A couple of respected members get one, and everyone else wants to throw there Holden to the tip - it's viral! If you could do a report on the DB for the forum for those who have them, I am sure there'd be an exponential growth in ownership.

I am aware that we are all mature people and accept other cars (some do!) but there is a lot of "Holdens aren't any good" sentiment on here - and last time I checked it said "Australian LS1 and Holden forums" so why do I feel like a low income bogan for liking my Holden? I hear the term "It's time for a euro" why? I am a proud Aussie and like to support local manufacturing, even if the profits go OS, at least workers are getting employed!

Is the purchase of the C63 evolution? The VE has been about for a while, so is this why people are looking to another brand? Is there now some snobbery because Holdens are common?

I am not sure of all this, I am reading a lot of the responses and threads on the c63. i quite like them, but don't think I will buy one, nor an M3, M5, etc... I'd prefer to keep investing my money in appreciating assets and enjoy my "bogan mobiles"!

to go On Topic, buy either, they are both nice, but stop bagging MY choice in manufacturer to justify one purchase over the other!

I think you've got this a little wrong mate ... the C63 owners that I know all still own a Holden or HSV. They still have red blood and they still support the Aussie industry ... they just also happen to have a Euro.

I don't think anyone has claimed that Holdens are no good and I doubt any of the owners bought a C63 with the perception that it would make them superior in some way ... they are just an awesome package that are a shit load of fun to drive. I can't get enough of it and it puts a smile on my face every time I get in it. I have always been a "Holden Man" and will always be ... I took the C63 to Bathurst last year (decked out in my Holden gear) and cheered for the Holdens. It has nothing to do with snobbery or thinking that Holdens aren't good enough.

:cheers:

[Martin_D]

Nick has both Bratwurst and Meat Pie with Clayton sauce....check his rides :)
He bought the Benz because it chucks bigger skids - and that they do :bow:

Neither C63 or M3 are very quick on a track, so a 'win' here is hardly any reason to put one over the top of the other. There is more to it than that :teach:

[mickeyVX350]

I knew I'd probably phrase it wrong Nick, time constraints and actually applying myself at work failed to give this reply the time it probably required. Although a percieved generalisation, I think there are some here that have seen some purchases and are "lemming-ing" a bit. There were a couple of you guys with Holden / HSV that bought AMG's and it seemed that am avalanche developed from there. Although not ALL of you guys bag the locals, there is an increasing amount of guys saying "It's time for a euro" as their justification (which is cool, but a bit disrespectful to the intent of the forum).

I'd have a c63, but also an M3, but unfortunately, it probably wont happen as I am struggling to part with my hard earned for a new commo of some variety to replace my Adventra!

I wish I was struggling to choose between the two!!!

[NickS]

Neither C63 or M3 are very quick on a track, so a 'win' here is hardly any reason to put one over the top of the other. There is more to it than that :teach:

Good point Martin ... whilst an M3 will be quicker than a C63 around a track it would have it's arse handed to it by a GT-R, for the same money.

So if lap times are your thing the M3 is still the wrong choice!

:lol:

[Martin_D]

Exactly, the GTRs, EVOs and STis that are quicker playing Skaifey are also busted ass things to drive in peak hour (comparatively). Hence the conventional GTR owner has several cars, one for Monday, one for Friday, one for Mummy, and one for the Track :)

[Marco]

I think you've got this a little wrong mate ... the C63 owners that I know all still own a Holden or HSV. They still have red blood and they still support the Aussie industry ... they just also happen to have a Euro.

This sums up my view very nicely.

Do I love my Holdens? Absolutely. But I also hope to one day own a Porsche. That's not because my Holden isn't good enough, but I do recognise that a Porsche is on a whole other level to a Holden, and the same goes for an AMG or BMW M.

So I will, I hope, eventually own a Porsche and I will still have a Holden in my garage alongside it. Being a Holden man is not an all-or-nothing proposition!

[Funky_Munky]

There is more to it than that :teach:

Such as?

Oh, and my concern is not about track times as this will be a weekend cruiser.

[mustanger]

I think you've got this a little wrong mate ... the C63 owners that I know all still own a Holden or HSV. They still have red blood and they still support the Aussie industry ... they just also happen to have a Euro.

I don't think anyone has claimed that Holdens are no good and I doubt any of the owners bought a C63 with the perception that it would make them superior in some way ... they are just an awesome package that are a shit load of fun to drive. I can't get enough of it and it puts a smile on my face every time I get in it. I have always been a "Holden Man" and will always be ... I took the C63 to Bathurst last year (decked out in my Holden gear) and cheered for the Holdens. It has nothing to do with snobbery or thinking that Holdens aren't good enough.

:cheers:

I agree with these comments 100%.:goodjob:

I think you will find that most AMG owners also have other cars of different makes which suit their motoring needs.

Back on topic for a sec, I personally know 6 AMG C63 owners and they ALL went for the AMG over the M3. I think it may be the big cubes and huge amount of torque (50% more than M3) that clinched the deal, but there is definately a pattern forming , and that is why the C63`s are becoming popular. The M3`s are are great car, but you just have to work that little bit harder to get the best out of them on the road. The AMG`s on the other hand, do most things with ease.

I am not saying that they don`t breakdown or that they are bullet proof,(they are a machine afterall) but I think MB are on a definate winner here , and the current poll reflects this ......Cheers John

[Martin_D]

Such as?
Oh, and my concern is not about track times as this will be a weekend cruiser.

You just answered your own question with your second sentence..... :)

[FAT06L]

Spoken like a true car salesman.....Full of crap.........so now you are saying Toyotas are better ....:lol:

hahaha spoken like a true keyboard warrior! :jester:

[hsv-105]

C63's are for arm waxing,teeth whitening, pretty little faggot boys all cruising around in front of shop windows wearing their little pink polo's with the collar ironed up :hide:

[sjhugh]

C63's are for arm waxing,teeth whitening, pretty little faggot boys all cruising around in front of shop windows wearing their little pink polo's with the collar ironed up :hide:

I’m unimpressed that you felt the need to give out my personal details to an internet forum.

[hsv-105]

I’m unimpressed that you felt the need to give out my personal details to an internet forum.

Oh I just noticed another attribute of the C63 owner ' needs to boost the ego via listing all of their cars in their user profile on an internet forum'

[sjhugh]

Oh I just noticed another attribute of the C63 owner ' needs to boost the ego via listing all of their cars in their user profile on an internet forum'

Along with my need for arm waxing, teeth whitening and so on, my ego always needs an extra lift. I only wish there was more character space so I could complete the list.

Still it pales in comparison to having your Lamborghini as an avatar.

[NickS]

C63's are for arm waxing,teeth whitening, pretty little faggot boys all cruising around in front of shop windows wearing their little pink polo's with the collar ironed up :hide:

Damn ... you've been paying attention!

You forgot chest + leg waxing though ... :flip2:

[Red CV8 R]

As mentioned I have not driven either car but would it be that in an M3 v C63 comparison the car that would be the most obvious transition, if stepping up from a performance based sedan like the HSV would be the C63? I would imagine it would have more traits in common with something like a VE GTS and appeal to a similar type of purchaser. They are both large 4 door sedans powered by big cube V8s. I would guess that most buyers would look to the semi-auto option and like the lazy, tyre frying torque offered by this sort of car. This wouldn't sit as well with something like the smaller M3 coupe, which is a more of a sports car type deal with more taut suspension and a smaller capacity high revving V8. Really meant to be driven with a manual and more rewarding on that mountain pass or race track but not as nice in the daily grind or when you have kids to move.

I am sure someone who has driven both would correct me if I am wrong but that is my take on it.

[hsv-105]

Damn ... you've been paying attention!

You forgot chest + leg waxing though ... :flip2:

Ha Ha Nick - Glad you took the post in the manner it was intended. :goodjob:

We have spoken many times about the AMG v M Series and I'm with you with regards to the choice of the C63 over a M3.

I've driven the E63 around Phillip Island and it was an awesome car but I find the C63 a little cramped for room.

The comparison for me will be the new M5 v E63 once it is released.

An M5 in my current rides list would be really COOL .......:jester:

[Snapper]

As mentioned I have not driven either car but would it be that in an M3 v C63 comparison the car that would be the most obvious transition, if stepping up from a performance based sedan like the HSV would be the C63? I would imagine it would have more traits in common with something like a VE GTS and appeal to a similar type of purchaser. They are both large 4 door sedans powered by big cube V8s. I would guess that most buyers would look to the semi-auto option and like the lazy, tyre frying torque offered by this sort of car. This wouldn't sit as well with something like the smaller M3 coupe, which is a more of a sports car type deal with more taut suspension and a smaller capacity high revving V8. Really meant to be driven with a manual and more rewarding on that mountain pass or race track but not as nice in the daily grind or when you have kids to move.

I am sure someone who has driven both would correct me if I am wrong but that is my take on it.

Absolutely spot on and reflects my situation perfectly. :goodjob:

[sjhugh]

Ha Ha Nick - Glad you took the post in the manner it was intended. :goodjob:

We have spoken many times about the AMG v M Series and I'm with you with regards to the choice of the C63 over a M3.

I've driven the E63 around Phillip Island and it was an awesome car but I find the C63 a little cramped for room.

The comparison for me will be the new M5 v E63 once it is released.

An M5 in my current rides list would be really COOL .......:jester:

I didn’t take offence at your comment and my replies were as equally tongue in cheek.

I also owned an E63 before the C and apart from more rear leg room, it offered better quality interior materials, more luxury whistles and bells and a softer more family orientated ride. It was too big for my needs and I initially got rid of it as I preferred the lighter feel of the M3 and as it eventually turned out, the brutal rawness of the C63. If I was to purchase in the E Class market segment again, I agree the M5 would be my first port of call.

Another point of difference between the C63 and M3, is the aftermarket upgrades seem to swing heavily in favour of the BMW including forced induction which as far as I know isn’t an option for the AMG. If modding the car is on the buyer’s agenda, the BMW would have more options.

[NickS]

If modding the car is on the buyer’s agenda, the BMW would have more options.

5,000 kms on the C63 and I still have no interest in modding it ... I must be getting old!

[sjhugh]

5,000 kms on the C63 and I still have no interest in modding it ... I must be getting old!

Not necessarily old, maybe just contented.

I’m the same, 8,000kms, untouched, never missed a beat and no warranty problems.

My Holden/HSV’s are always modded to wring out the locked in goodness in them within a couple of days to a few weeks after purchase.

I have no intention of ever changing the exhaust on the C63, I already love the way it sounds as is. I do occasionally think about taking it in for a tune and then remember the reason why I brought the car in the first place, because it does the perfect job for me stock standard from the showroom floor.

[matthewfnorbert]

5,000 kms on the C63 and I still have no interest in modding it ... I must be getting old!

I think you are!! only 5000kms!!!!

[EfiJy]

I've been reading this thread with great interest. Not because I'm in the position to buy a performance Euro because I'll probably never be in the position to afford one. Though I wish I could drive them all just to see what all the fuss is about. :) That is why I tried to stay well away from this thread.......... but I've failded dismally.

I appreciated the thoughts of all when reading every post. From the guy who works at the Merc dealership to those who own the cars. :goodjob: How do you guys earn so much, btw? :bawl: :)


My opinion is that the M3 is the best looker from the outside. The Merc is the classier car on the inside. If only the M3 had the 6.2L engine, hey? Apart from that I really nothing good to add apart from opining that the most constructive post of all was ssberlina's, imo. He went with the view to buy the M3 but instead bought the C63.

The fact that many others have tried and bought the C63 says it all (despite it's awkward looks).

I'd love to know how much better the Euro machinery are compared to our humble Holdens/HSVs. I wish I was as lucky as some of you car guys.

Good luck to the OP deciding his future purchase. :goodjob:

Awesome thread guys!!!

[BNGTO]

Such as?

Oh, and my concern is not about track times as this will be a weekend cruiser.

That being the case is there a need to go 50-70k over the price of one of the 335 or C350 options with m or AMG handling and interior packages. Australian roads are useless places for high performance cars and that horrible LCT takes half the fun out of it.

Japan and Germany are probably the only two places one can really get stuck into cars without visiting a track, Germany has the autobahn and Japan has exceptionally lax traffic laws and the Wangan racing set which creates the two biggest markets for AMG, Audi RS etc... But in Australia to get a chance to really enjoy a car that will rip from 100 to 200 in 9 seconds is almost impossible to imagine. As much as I love my car I think it would be absolutely pointless in Australia.

Also a good argument for a nicely done up Senator gts. I might be getting soft though as I am 2 weeks from relocation to Shanghai so I can forget about driving hard there also.

Perhaps against the trend I feel the benz looks better of the 2.

[LJCHSV]

Oh I just noticed another attribute of the C63 owner ' needs to boost the ego via listing all of their cars in their user profile on an internet forum'

:rofl: there needs to be a 'like' button for this comment :goodjob:

[vy_ssute]

i get to drive these off at work. and i would have to say c63 in a boat these things just sound fat echoin down the boat... and honsetly who is goin to take a c63 or m3 for track days if you owned one

[Funky_Munky]

C63's are for arm waxing,teeth whitening, pretty little faggot boys all cruising around in front of shop windows wearing their little pink polo's with the collar ironed up :hide:


Damn ... you've been paying attention!

You forgot chest + leg waxing though ... :flip2:

Good to see that whatever it is that you guys have going on, is still on going. As always, I have a good laugh at the banter between you two.



That being the case is there a need to go 50-70k over the price of one of the 335 or C350 options with m or AMG handling and interior packages. Australian roads are useless places for high performance cars and that horrible LCT takes half the fun out of it.

Japan and Germany are probably the only two places one can really get stuck into cars without visiting a track, Germany has the autobahn and Japan has exceptionally lax traffic laws and the Wangan racing set which creates the two biggest markets for AMG, Audi RS etc... But in Australia to get a chance to really enjoy a car that will rip from 100 to 200 in 9 seconds is almost impossible to imagine. As much as I love my car I think it would be absolutely pointless in Australia.

Also a good argument for a nicely done up Senator gts. I might be getting soft though as I am 2 weeks from relocation to Shanghai so I can forget about driving hard there also.

Perhaps against the trend I feel the benz looks better of the 2.

Germany doesnt have the autobahn. It has many autobahs. Autobahn = motorway. Anywho, it would be great to have that power available to you when required. Obviously it wont be coming into full use, but its still fun to have.

[VYSHSV8]

i get to drive these off at work. and i would have to say c63 in a boat these things just sound fat echoin down the boat... and honsetly who is goin to take a c63 or m3 for track days if you owned one

Why would you when the C63 is slower than my old Vy around barbs and that is with track tyres although I don't know the quality of the driver lol well that's my opinion although I wod take one if given one:)

[BNGTO]

Germany doesnt have the autobahn. It has many autobahs. Autobahn = motorway. Anywho, it would be great to have that power available to you when required. Obviously it wont be coming into full use, but its still fun to have.

I have used Autobahn as an irregular plural, acceptable with imported words and large stuff, like "the Ocean": plus over the last few years only the A9/99 seems to have any sustained areas where you can actually "go": someone over there read the book on how the USA escaped the great depression by building roads and decided that they would manage the merger of the East and West economically by constantly tearing up the expressways. Not nearly as fun as it has been in the past.

I don't know with the surface grip of the public roads in Australia that you'd ever get half the power down: the launch of the M3 in Spain a few years back one of the magazines was complaining they had chronic wheelspin right up to 3rd gear. BMW released a torque vectoring diff more recently in the M3, but it doesn't 100% solve the problem, but it may carry an advantage over the Benz: be worth if you test drive both making sure you are comfortable with the Grip.

From the 330 BMW e46 onwards I found they had reached the capacity of the RWD layout as the one I had (the M technik or whatever it was called version with larger wheels and trick suspension) was constantly cutting the power and flashing a silly orange light at me. If an M3 on a public Australian road has that much more up to 100 than a 335i with the same wheels and differential I'd be surprised.

But the M3 will of course look a lot cooler. (C63 maybe moreso). Best is probably take the difference in cost, get down the Cas and put it on Red, if it comes in get an RS6 because they are perfect, or settle for the 335. At this stage I have to advise that I am not a registered financial advisor.

[Martin_D]

... and honsetly who is goin to take a c63 or m3 for track days if you owned one

Not many owners......mainly journos
I remember when luggage space was an important criteria of a road test, now its drift angle. How times change, but apparently its for the better :)
'Pick Of The Crop' Wheels 1978 Road Test, VB SLE vs MB 280SEL vs Rover SD1 vs 528i (?) now that was a proper review. Commie didnt do too bad either :cool:
Or in 1977 when Wheels tested a 2.0 Euro Escort with an aftermarket AiR Research turbo kit on it, laid 400m of black lines (on the cover too) and smashed the rear end out of it all over the street :bow:
As they say the days when "Cars were cars, men were men, and you could smell them both coming before you could see them" :eek:

[goofafidamedes]

<snip>...
As they say the days when "Cars were cars, men were men, and you could smell them both coming before you could see them" :eek:

Depending on what town you're in these days, sometimes it's still true :rofl:

[Marco]

As it happens a C63 drove past me at lunchtime today. The sound, oh, the sweet, sweet sound....

:bow:

[G4RS_GM]

They sound great with performance to match, but the overall look just doesn't do anything for me. I wonder if people like the C63 AMG as an overall car, or just love the driveline...because people never really bring up the exterior, it's the fantastic driveline that everybody talks about generally.

Everyone to there own, would be a boring world if everyone agreed with one another!

[tmob]

I havent driven a C63, I have driven an M3, earlier model mind you... 2003/04 maybe....
Cant really comment on the C63 driveline, but I recon they look farkn horn.....get my pick any day....

[Micks]

I know will be :flame: for this. I don't begrudge anyone wanting or paying for either of these great vehicles, as Nick mentioned "His money" & that's great but when you put into perspective your paying premium dollars for both...If they didn't come standard with the Go & Stopping gear you'd wanna no why??
I'm sure our mule Holden's with 20-50% of value laid out for mods would be no slouch in comparison. Ive read plenty of articles re the Euros & few have the road manners our Lion does. :goodjob:
No offense to the Op but unless you buy either of these vehicles & are happy with the purchase the whole thread is only for the :jerk: factor, sorry fellas just my take on it.

Cheers
VYT

[Funky_Munky]

I know will be :flame: for this. I don't begrudge anyone wanting or paying for either of these great vehicles, as Nick mentioned "His money" & that's great but when you put into perspective your paying premium dollars for both...If they didn't come standard with the Go & Stopping gear you'd wanna no why??
I'm sure our mule Holden's with 20-50% of value laid out for mods would be no slouch in comparison. Ive read plenty of articles re the Euros & few have the road manners our Lion does. :goodjob:
No offense to the Op but unless you buy either of these vehicles & are happy with the purchase the whole thread is only for the :jerk: factor, sorry fellas just my take on it.

Cheers
VYT

What.

:confused:

[701let]

They sound great with performance to match, but the overall look just doesn't do anything for me. I wonder if people like the C63 AMG as an overall car, or just love the driveline...because people never really bring up the exterior, it's the fantastic driveline that everybody talks about generally.

Everyone to there own, would be a boring world if everyone agreed with one another!

I think they look great! Less is more..

[73.RSR]

For that sort of money I really need a manaul to get the full experience so it's an M3 for me - in white.

[RonR8]

AMG hands down... That sound is worth every cent!! :bow:

[Walked_on]

i have a c63, ive done 35000kms, has a tune + exhaust, has been to the track circuit and drags a few times, has gone 11.90 @ 120mph with just those mods. will go 11.60's sooon. I love it, i drove the m3, as mentioned the m3 has some better features, but the driving experience in the c63 is too good. you must drive both though.

h.

[Ripcell]

C63 based solely on looks better, sounds tougher and ALL M3 drivers are cocks

[heavyduty1340]

I wish you pricks would stop talking about C63's

All thats gonna happen is you'll get me in trouble with the Bank Manager and the Wife (not neccessarily in that order)

Ive got itchy feet again, and have been thinking about reducing the amount of cars in the shed

Maybe if I sold 2 or 3 I could sneek the C63 in there without the Wife noticing

If I added up what I have spent on my VE's and the Monaro,I could have easily had a C63 - And Drew, you could have as well - nudge nudge
:soap::soap::soap:

[charlie15]

I see too many c63's these days. I'd probably go m3. But i'd have to drive each one before making up my mind. Been in a c63, great car but havent been in an m3.

In saying that, id rather spend the 140k or so on a 360 spyder or porsche turbo. Something not everyone has.

[LJCHSV]

Living here in Port Melbourne... the ole C63 is commonly used as a shopping trolley amongst the well heeled... but let me tell you... no matter how many i see a day... 'That' Soundtrack always brings me to my kness..... I love these things and they make me smile whenever i see of hear one...M3 .... pfffft yeah... pass em in the street.....1 of my apprentices said something interesting today when we saw one.. he said "fark the're sick... wait till they drop in price and some young c@#ts start buying them.... there's gonna be a few deaths then"...... and thats coming from a 21yo

[jaykay]

I've been checking out C63's for sale and noticed some have a multi spoke rim on them. Are they an optional wheels and what size are they ?

[jaykay]

I've been checking out C63's for sale and noticed some have a multi spoke rim on them. Are they an optional wheels and what size are they ?
Just found out the answer !! WOW love those wheels and for some reason a white C63 with them is doing it for me !!!!!

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=9427558&YearFromShort=1650&__Qpb=true&keywords=&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_YearMade_Int32|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32|1| |pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0&SearchAction=N&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201650%201090 %204294815925&silo=1011&seot=1&__Nne=15&__No=0&trecs=41&__sid=12D85D555800 :bow:

or black......
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=9565915&YearFromShort=1650&__Qpb=true&keywords=&Cr=6&__Ns=pCar_YearMade_Int32|0||pCar_RankSort_Int32|1| |pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|0&SearchAction=N&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%201650%201090 %204294815925&silo=1011&seot=1&__Nne=15&__No=0&trecs=41&__sid=12D85D555800 :drool::drool:

[paok_18]

+ 1 for C63..
C63 & Mercedes in General are a class above BMW!

My mum drives a black C63 and dad drives a CLS63 AMG..
They have had BMW's in past times, 5 series and X5 but BMW are a class below Mercedes!

[Funky_Munky]

Sorry to bump this old thread, but there have been some new developments recently. So after reading all the feedback from this and a few other sites, I had my heart settled on the AMG.

However, after having driven a GTR, Im now town between the AMG and GTR. The price difference is nominal (about £3K). Any advice?

[tmob]

Sorry to bump this old thread, but there have been some new developments recently. So after reading all the feedback from this and a few other sites, I had my heart settled on the AMG.

However, after having driven a GTR, Im now town between the AMG and GTR. The price difference is nominal (about £3K). Any advice?

My only advise would be that if you want a car with 4 doors, dont get the GTR. if you want a car with 2 doors, dont get the C63.

Actually, that wasnt my only advise.

Buy Both...

[Walked_on]

2 different cars. A GTR is a serious performer, its more of track car. Where as the C63 is luxury sedan with a big engine. Once you modify the GTR it becomes an absolute animal. You really need to think about what you want, need and like the most. Both have there positives. I bought the C63 because i wanted a 4 door luxury quick car, small yet comfortable. The GTR felt too rough to drive for every day driving and not so versatile. The C63 just fits into every day driving.

h.

[VZ_V8]

Seriously. Do you need to look any further?

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv10ts/m3%20adv10%20ts%20whitelip_w1200.jpg

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv5-1-fs/6_w1200.jpg

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv5-1/blog_01112011_bmw_m3_dinan_adv1_popup_8_w1200.jpg

(I would get the GTR though... :lol:)

[Funky_Munky]

Buy Both...

If only that were an option. :bawl:


2 different cars. A GTR is a serious performer, its more of track car. Where as the C63 is luxury sedan with a big engine. Once you modify the GTR it becomes an absolute animal. You really need to think about what you want, need and like the most. Both have there positives. I bought the C63 because i wanted a 4 door luxury quick car, small yet comfortable. The GTR felt too rough to drive for every day driving and not so versatile. The C63 just fits into every day driving.

h.

Interesting to hear that the GTR wont make a good dd. I suspected as much. That might make the difference considering London roads are sh*tty as it is.


Seriously. Do you need to look any further?

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv10ts/m3%20adv10%20ts%20whitelip_w1200.jpg

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv5-1-fs/6_w1200.jpg

http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels/advgal/cache/bmw/bmw-m3-adv5-1/blog_01112011_bmw_m3_dinan_adv1_popup_8_w1200.jpg

(I would get the GTR though... :lol:)

I came.

[Martin_D]

If you are an old man that reckons FE1.5 is the go then the GTR will be too hard/noisy for you. If not? You might love it. Best way though, forget the internet and actually drive the cars make up your own mind :)

[SUPERH2377]

i would have a merc over a BMW but the new jag XF- XFR are supposed to be mickey-mouse
nice note
great looks
handles great
nice inside
just some food for thought if u want a 4 door drive and are pretty rare on the road

[NickS]

Funky ... can't reply to your PM mate, clear your Inbox!

[BLACK VE S2 UTE]

C63 sounds bad ass.

always giggle like a school girl when i hear one being paiud out on :lol: sounds mental

thats enough to get my vote lol

They sound fantastic don't they

[Pickles]

C63/M3?...Depends what you want, I reckon.
If ya want a harder edged car, then the M3 is for you, but if an "everydayer" is what you need, for whatever reason, then IMHO you'd go for the C63.
Cheers, Pickles.

[rodp]

What an awesome problem to have.

As much as I'd personally love a C63 - owned 10 V8's over the years, I'd go the GTR. One thing would concern me though, and perhaps it's a local thing, but the services seemed very cost prohibitive. Cheap comparative performance but I do recall reading services were in the several thousand dollar mark every 10k and a strip down of the gearbox would make your nuts retract in fear.

[nikola]

If I was ever in the position to choose (wishful thinking), I would go the M3. It's the only car that comes with a manual gearbox, and I prefer high revving, highly tuned, naturally aspirated engines.

Though to be honest, I would rather the E46 CSL M3 with it's bonkers straight six over all the other options here.

[jc_sv8]

It would be cheaper dropping in a new LS3 every year!

[Funky_Munky]

Funky ... can't reply to your PM mate, clear your Inbox!

Done and done.


What an awesome problem to have.

As much as I'd personally love a C63 - owned 10 V8's over the years, I'd go the GTR. One thing would concern me though, and perhaps it's a local thing, but the services seemed very cost prohibitive. Cheap comparative performance but I do recall reading services were in the several thousand dollar mark every 10k and a strip down of the gearbox would make your nuts retract in fear.

Ive had a look at the maintenance costs of a GTR and its absolutely extortionate. One way to get around that is to claim back maintenance costs on tax since it would be a lot more than depreciation costs year on year.


If I was ever in the position to choose (wishful thinking), I would go the M3. It's the only car that comes with a manual gearbox, and I prefer high revving, highly tuned, naturally aspirated engines.

Though to be honest, I would rather the E46 CSL M3 with it's bonkers straight six over all the other options here.

If a CSL was in my price range, I wouldnt even be asking the question. Even the 2004 model CSLs go for about £30K. The oldest model car Id get is 2008.

[Martin_D]

One thing would concern me though, and perhaps it's a local thing, but the services seemed very cost prohibitive. Cheap comparative performance but I do recall reading services were in the several thousand dollar mark every 10k and a strip down of the gearbox would make your nuts retract in fear.

Servicing isnt too bad providing you dont go to Nissan and use their temperature cutoff service schedule.
Stripping and building the transmission is essentially no more expensive than pulling down and building a T56 in most instances. Removal and replacement of the transaxle is around 8 hours labour for the experienced. They are a very nice piece :)