Captiva engine light is on

[DR()]

Hi all. I bought the 07 LX three days ago. 74k on the clock and is a very smooth car. Both my wife and I have always owned holdens so nothing was going to change this time when purchasing a new car. The car was ex lease vehicle and full service history. We traded in our VX acclaim to support a growing family. All has been travelling well until today when I noticed the orange engine light on the dash stayed on while driving. I did not feel any change in smoothness or loss of power. Car still starts fine although I have not taken it for a long drive as yet. Not sure if the light is just a faulty sensor or something more serious? I have not noticed any rattling noises coming from the engine. Anyone experienced similar issues with their captiva?
Thanks

[boggers007]

I had this happen with my ss ute once and all it was once i worked it out was that the spark plug lead wiggled off enough to get the computer to throw the light but not far enough off to have a problem with the spark.

[JezzaB]

Get the code read out. Could be a stretched timing chain

[Plenty]

Happened the other week on my SS-V, turned out to be a bad quality fuel code even though it has only ever had BP Ultimate in it, could be many a thing though best to get it checked.

[Wonky]

I assume given you say you've only had it a few days and traded another car in to get it that it will be under warranty anyway? Either way, as Jez said, definitely get it to somewhere where they can read the codes for you and turn off the check engine light so you can see if it comes back on.

Had it happen last week on my wife's Astra bought new Jan 07 and now with approx 70,000km on it. The codes indicated a throttle body problem, apparently quite common with Astra/Vectra etc.. New part getting up towards the $1,000 mark list price inc GST, so given our current financial situation after paying for wedding etc we got a second hand one from wreckers for $250 with 6 mth warranty. Fingers crossed.................

[DR()]

Thanks guys. Yes it did come with three month warranty or 5000k so will be getting it checked out today for a code read. Biggest concern is timing chain. Although hopefully will be covered under warranty. Should I be asking for thicker chains?

[chargedvx6]

Thanks guys. Yes it did come with three month warranty or 5000k so will be getting it checked out today for a code read. Biggest concern is timing chain. Although hopefully will be covered under warranty. Should I be asking for thicker chains?


Not an option. There is 3 of em and they had a known issue with earlier batches being suseptable to stretch but changed supplier in 04-05. It is a possibility though

[Irish]

Hi all. I bought the 07 LX three days ago. 74k on the clock and is a very smooth car. Both my wife and I have always owned holdens so nothing was going to change this time when purchasing a new car.
Thanks

You bought holdens all your life and didn't want to change, so you bought a daewoo?

[DR()]

Hey Irish, thanks for your advice but get it right mate, it IS a Holden (just not put together here)

By the way, the engine light went off today but still took it into Holden who did a complete check (including chains) they had the car for an hour and came back with a thumbs up. Said that the light is most likely a faulty sensor wire that eluminates the engine light. We dealt directly with the service manager so fingers crossed all is well. We are happy with his feedback :goodjob:

[Irish]

Hey Irish, thanks for your advice but get it right mate, it IS a Holden (just not put together here)



So because it is screwed together by daewoo in Korea, and then a holden badge is put on it, it is a holden? http://images.paultan.org/uploads/2006/06/daewoo_winstorm.jpg

[planetdavo]

So because it is screwed together by daewoo in Korea, and then a holden badge is put on it, it is a holden?



Just grow up Irish.
GMDAT is majority owned by Holden. Daewoo is just one of the badges applied. Holden are behind much of the engineering. The V6 is made by Holden. The shape was styled by Holden designers.
Want me to go on, or have you been made to look like a fool long enough?

[Irish]

Just grow up Irish.
GMDAT is majority owned by Holden. Daewoo is just one of the badges applied. Holden are behind much of the engineering. The V6 is made by Holden. The shape was styled by Holden designers.
Want me to go on, or have you been made to look like a fool long enough?

From the "Dog and Lemon guide 2010" ; General motors publicists have tried hard to give the impression that much of this vehicle was designed for rugged Australian conditions, but that was basically a crock. At heart, the captiva is a Korean designed and built Daewoo Winstorm, based around GM's theta platform.

What about the new Barina davo? Is it designed here aswell? It is also sold and built overseas as the Daewoo Kalos.

What about the Daewoo Cruze? Is it designed here too? Or the Daewoo tosca, woops I mean Holden Epica?

[planetdavo]

Still going eh Irish...
Why do you ignore the countries of origin of most of your own favoured non Holden brand's products? Doesn't suit your baiting efforts right? :spew:
You've turned a thread from the op asking about an engine light into yet another load of crap about where a car is built.
Well done dude! Someone give the boy a medal (and maybe a lesson on the global car industry)...:goodjob:

[mac06]

By the way, the engine light went off today but still took it into Holden who did a complete check (including chains) they had the car for an hour and came back with a thumbs up. Said that the light is most likely a faulty sensor wire that eluminates the engine light. We dealt directly with the service manager so fingers crossed all is well. We are happy with his feedback :goodjob:

Good to hear you're happy with your purchase and the result of your visit to the dealer. Don't get put off by those who don't like Korean built vehicles. As long as you're happy that's all that counts.

[Irish]

Still going eh Irish...
Why do you ignore the countries of origin of most of your own favoured non Holden brand's products? Doesn't suit your baiting efforts right? :spew:
You've turned a thread from the op asking about an engine light into yet another load of crap about where a car is built.
Well done dude! Someone give the boy a medal (and maybe a lesson on the global car industry)...:goodjob:

You have me all wrong Davo, I think holden produces great products.

The OP was the one who said "Both my wife and I have always owned holdens so nothing was going to change this time when purchasing a new car". I respoded to this because it seemed a little ironic. If I had bought Toyotas all my life I would not consider a Toyota Lexcen a Toyota. Nor would I consider a Ford courier a Ford. If I bought a Jaguar from the era from when they were ford owned and put a ford badge on it, it would still be a Jag.

Sometimes people think twice about a product when they know where it came from. I'm sure if these products wore a Daewoo badge they would not sell anywhere near the amount they are.

To the OP. A check engine light will leave a code behind even if the light has dissappeared. If they didn't tell you what the code turned up I would be taking the vehicle elsewhere.

[LSavvy]

Sounds like the dealer might not want to fix it under warranty and is hopeing that the light doesn't come on before 3 months after which its your problem.

There should have been a fault stored.

Have to agree with Irish here! Sorry Davo, the only Holden bit in it is in the marketing. I'm assuming that the Holden input into the Captiva was,

Mr Holden- "Mr Daewoo could you please fit a Holden badge here, here and here, don't forget to put the ones on the wheels"

Mr Daewoo with Korean accent- "No probs Mr Holden it is a pleasure doing business with you and selling our cars for us as our reputation is up the sh!t and the Holden badge will fix all that and in return cheapen your good name. Oh and don't forget your profit margines will increase because your selling our Daewoo's as Holden's, ie a cheap product with a well respected badge"

It's a bit like the Arnotts Tim Tams sold in the Reject Shop etc, it's an Arnotts product but made in Indonesia, Yeah it's a Tim Tam but made to a price unlike the Aussie Tim Tams. You get what you pay for.

[LSavvy]

Don't get put off by those who don't like Korean built vehicles. As long as you're happy that's all that counts.

Not true, i think Hyundai has come a long way in 10-15yrs, they started selling crap and lifted it's game selling under their own badge to earn respect.

Kia and Daewoo still got work to do and they know their product is crap. But hey some people do need to byt to a budget which i am ok with, but don't complain when you realise you have a flimsy product.

[planetdavo]

Sorry LSavvy, but Irish's input was for baiting purposes. Holden had pretty serious input into the development of Captiva, starting with the exterior design!
End of the day though is that thread ended up exposing that long help predjudice some people have against cars being built in some parts of the world.
Many parts of VE are made in China and to a lesser degree India now, yet people call them "Australian". People need to open their eyes to the world if they want to voice their opinion.

[Irish]

Sorry LSavvy, but Irish's input was for baiting purposes. Holden had pretty serious input into the development of Captiva, starting with the exterior design!
End of the day though is that thread ended up exposing that long help predjudice some people have against cars being built in some parts of the world.
Many parts of VE are made in China and to a lesser degree India now, yet people call them "Australian". People need to open their eyes to the world if they want to voice their opinion.

Atleast the commodore is put together by Aussies and engineered by aussies davo.

A little extract about the Chevrolet Captiva (Daewoo winstorm);
The first generation Captiva, designated C100 by Daewoo and CG in Holden's terminology, launched in 2006. Styling of the Captiva was inspired by the 2004 Chevrolet S3X concept car. The S3X concept was developed by GM Daewoo's design center in Bupyeong-gu, Incheon and is based on GM Theta platform. It premiered at 2004 Paris Motor Show.

[vicarious]

Not true, i think Hyundai has come a long way in 10-15yrs, they started selling crap and lifted it's game selling under their own badge to earn respect.

Kia and Daewoo still got work to do and they know their product is crap. But hey some people do need to byt to a budget which i am ok with, but don't complain when you realise you have a flimsy product.


my dads 2010 kia sorento has had no problems(my ve has had a few) & is better built & finish than my ve

[DR()]

Sounds like the dealer might not want to fix it under warranty and is hopeing that the light doesn't come on before 3 months after which its your problem.

There should have been a fault stored.



The dealer said there was not faults that they picked up on thats why he suggested it most likely may have been a sensor wire? Would a faulty sensor wire be detected in the check up?

[Irish]

The dealer said there was not faults that they picked up on thats why he suggested it most likely may have been a sensor wire? Would a faulty sensor wire be detected in the check up?

If the check engine light comes on even for a second a fault is stored. Sounds like he is BSing you.

[planetdavo]

Atleast the commodore is put together by Aussies and engineered by aussies davo.

A little extract about the Chevrolet Captiva (Daewoo winstorm);
The first generation Captiva, designated C100 by Daewoo and CG in Holden's terminology, launched in 2006. Styling of the Captiva was inspired by the 2004 Chevrolet S3X concept car. The S3X concept was developed by GM Daewoo's design center in Bupyeong-gu, Incheon and is based on GM Theta platform. It premiered at 2004 Paris Motor Show.

And who ran that department, with his number two being the designer of the VY facelift, Max Wolff?
Mr Mike Simcoe, legendary designer of the Monaro. :)

[LSavvy]

Sorry LSavvy, but Irish's input was for baiting purposes. Holden had pretty serious input into the development of Captiva, starting with the exterior design!
End of the day though is that thread ended up exposing that long help predjudice some people have against cars being built in some parts of the world.
Many parts of VE are made in China and to a lesser degree India now, yet people call them "Australian". People need to open their eyes to the world if they want to voice their opinion.

I didn't see Irish's comment as "baiting", when i read the OP post about wanting to buy Holden as thats what he has always had, i thought exactly the same thing as Irish did post.

No prejudice here, i acknowledged one of the Korean brands had lifted their game considerably compared to the other two so don't sensationalise the story with words like "some people having a long held prejudice to cars being build in some parts of the world" thats a cheap shot.

I am aware that the VE is the Commodore with the most foreign content ever, it's just another nail in the coffin for Australian manufacturing. I would not have a problem paying a couple more thousand to have them manufactured in OZ and support Australian manufacturing/development, but the market and bottom line determines this. The VE is Australian assembled rather than built.

The badge does play a big part as Daewoo has realised and has been proven by the OP.

[planetdavo]

Daewoo went bankrupt years ago LS, and the boss went to jail. Holden are now the majority owner of GM-DAT, on behalf of GM US.
A lot of water has gone under the bridge since the misconceptions bandied around by some in this thread. If people want to keep sticking their heads in the sand to support their baseless "Daewoo" arguments, well, that's their own issue to deal with.
There are many happy GM-DAT vehicle owners out there, and most feel they have no need to justify their purchases to ignorant, faceless internet know it all's.
And all this from a thread about an engine light...:spew::spew::spew:

[LSavvy]

:rofl:now now stay calm Davo.

From Wiki-

January 1, 2005 saw the introduction of the Chevrolet brand in Europe, the whole Daewoo range being simply badge-engineered as Chevrolets. GM’s official tagline was that

“Daewoo has grown up enough to become Chevrolet.” [6]

and that this new name was an opportunity for Daewoo to become stronger. Unofficially, after Daewoo’s bankruptcy, former chairman Kim Woo-Choong’s escape and most notably the “Affaire Daewoo” in France (closure and conflagration of the Daewoo-Orion Electronics plant in Longwy, France),[7] the “Daewoo” brand name had a very bad image – so GM simply decided to extend the Chevrolet strategy that was already used in most other markets (Canada, India, Israel, Russia…) since 2003 to create a real global brand, replacing the Daewoo brand by the Chevy bowtie.

The Winstorm and Tosca were presented as Chevy Captiva and Epica. Some GM Daewoo cars changed names when rebadged, examples are the Matiz which became Chevrolet Spark in some markets (although Chevrolet Matiz was available too), or the Kalos which became Aveo (alongside Chevrolet Kalos in other countries). Today, the tendency goes towards a uniformisation in the Chevrolet Europe range : the Spark and Cruze will bear these names throughout the whole Europe.

Elsewhere, Daewoo cars are available under several different brands, depending on the country :

In Canada, the Kalos was available as Pontiac Wave but also Chevy Aveo, Lacetti and Magnus being known as Optra and Epica.

In the USA, the Kalos was either a Chevy Aveo, either a Suzuki Swift+, and the Lacetti and Magnus were sold under the Suzuki Forenza and Verona names.

In China, the Lacetti was sold under the Buick Excelle name, and other cars wore the Chevy badge (4-door Kalos/Aveo being called Lova).

In Australia and New Zealand, various GM Daewoo models are offered : Kalos/Gentra as Holden Barina, Lacetti as Holden Viva, Epica as Holden Epica, Winstorm as Holden Captiva, etc.…

Also amongst many other articles,

http://www.just-auto.com/news/gm-dat-closer-to-chevrolet-brand-switch_id108326.aspx

In other words, sugar coated shit! The Koreans even rather drive a Chevy badged product as they know Daewoo is crap. If it quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

"Faceless internet know it alls", faceless = GM's marketing of Daewoo's, i think GM need to pull their heads out of the sand.

No one here is asking the "many happy owners" to justify their purchases, only just saying it how it is without blinkers on.

Back on topic should the ECU give a stored DTC whether the fault is active or not? I thought so.

[Irish]

Back on topic should the ECU give a stored DTC whether the fault is active or not? I thought so.

All ECU's from about 1995 onward will store a fualt until it is cleared by a code scanner. Even if the light just flickers on during normal operation a code will be set. A code will not be set for the light appearing at start up. The light at startup is used to verify the light is working.

[LSavvy]

Thats what i was thinking.

I am assuming it is not factory warranty and the dealer doesn't want to wear the cost of the repair of a used car while keeping his fingers crossed it doesn't come back within the warranty period.

To the OP the engine light doesn't come on for no reason, there is an intermitent fault in your car. possibly the reason it was traded-in in the first place.

[skidmarx]

Yep, as irish has said it will log a code, i was a holden dealer mechanic, and still erase codes every day with my scan tool, captivas are pretty bad for electrical faults (in my experience) i like the idea of the captiva, and realy i believe it is a great oponent for the teratory, and the build quality is pretty good for mass produced shit.

But fact is , captiva IS a daewoo, not that thats a bad thing these days, i think alot of the cheaper korean, jap and chinese cars are pretty good bang for buck..... Except kia and mahindra, they can both rott in hell

[skidmarx]

Oh and theres no way they checked your timing chains in an hour

[LSavvy]

Oh and theres no way they checked your timing chains in an hour

There is no way they checked much in the hour!

I'm thinking - Clear code, take it for a drive, return, check codes again, yep boss she's all good.

[planetdavo]

From Wiki...

You do realise that Wiki is really no different to the "truth" on internet forums?
People put up something, and if no one else corrects it, well, it must be true! :eek:

[planetdavo]

SERVICE FIX
Timing Chain Stretch and/or DTC’s P0008,
P0009, P0016, P0017, P0018, P0019
VZ@VE, WL, WM, VE, CG, RA, with HFV6
Group 6A Ref. No. TL1551 – 0804
This techline explains HFV6 timing chain elongation
diagnosis for the following applications, VE
Commodore, WL/WM Statesman/Caprice, CG
Captiva, VZ@VE Commodore Wagon/Ute and RA
Rodeo.
It is written to inhibit unnecessary replacement of
parts such as ECM’s and engine harnesses and limit
exorbitant diagnostic time, by systematically
checking and eliminating obvious causes for the
following DTC’s, as per Holden standard service
instructions.
CONDITION
A condition may occur with the HFV6 engine that will
cause the MIL to illuminate and may log DTC’s
P0008, P0009, P0016, P0017, P0018, and P0019.
These codes all relate to Engine Position
Performance and Crank / Cam Position Correlation.
Important Note:
This condition, in isolated cases, only affects the
7.7 mm pitch timing chain installed in engines
built after the following engine numbers:
H053340001 VZ@VE, VE, WL, WM
H051530001 CG
H051580001 RA
The 9.525 mm pitch timing chain installed in
earlier HFV6 engines is not affected.
The customer will only notice an engine warning light
in the Instrument Panel. This timing chain elongation
condition does not cause any obvious driveability
concerns or any abnormal engine noises.
CAUSE
There was an issue with the timing chain
manufacturing process that caused, in a small
number of engines, the chain links to be outside
design specifications, which over time, may result in
chain elongation.
The degree of chain elongation will depend on the
number of affected links and the drive cycle of the
engine during its life. Typical expectation is that ECM
detectable chain elongation would only occur in early
engine life. i.e. 10,000km to 20,000km.
CORRECTION – Vehicle Production
Improved timing chains were introduced from the
following breakpoint:
Engine Number : Eng Built Date:
H071380576 18/05/07
CORRECTION – Vehicles In Service
If the vehicle meets the criteria explained, with any of
the previously mentioned DTC’s logged in the ECM,
the standard service instructions for DTC’s P0016,
P0017, P0018, P0019 and P0008 and P0009 must
be followed, prior to any diagnostic work being
carried out on the timing chains.
For VE/WM refer:
Engine Controls & Fuel - 3.6L, DTC P0016, P0017,
P0018, P0019, or document # 1985724 in the (SI)
Service Information.
Engine Controls & Fuel - 3.6L, DTC P0008, P0009,
or document # 1985715, in the (SI) Service
Information.
For CG Captiva refer:
Engine Controls & Fuel - 2.8, 3.2, 3.6L, DTC P0016,
P0017, P0018, P0019 or document # 1805995 for
MY07 or # 1991028 for MY08 in the (SI) Service
Information.
Engine Controls & Fuel - 2.8, 3.2, 3.6L, DTC P0008
or P0009 or document # 1805994 for MY07 or #
1990838 for MY08 in the (SI) Service Information.
For RA Rodeo (HFV6 only) refer:
Engine HFV6, Section 6C1-2, Engine Management -
V6 Diagnostics, in the current (SIP) Service
Information Package.
For VZ@VE Commodore refer:
V6 Engine, Section 6C1-2, Engine Management - V6
Diagnostics, in the current (SIP) Service Information
Package.
Basic checks such as bank to bank swaps of any
suspect parts, for example; cam actuators, cam
sensors, cam phasers and wiring checks, as part of
the above standard service instructions must be
carried out, prior to any chain replacements.
If the above instructions are complete and there is no
fault detected, then it is likely that there could be an
elongated timing chain in the camshaft drive system.
Please contact TAS for diagnosis confirmation!
Timing chain replacement is only permitted once all
diagnosis is complete and TAS confirmation
determined that there is an elongated timing chain
condition present.
Only the timing chains need to be replaced.
Idlers, guides and tensioners do not require
replacement. However, inspect the guides for any
abnormal wear and replace only if necessary.
Once the original used chains have been removed,
check the free length against new unused chains to
confirm diagnosis. Ensure the chains are either laid
flat on a bench and pulled straight with no kinks, or
hung out straight vertically. Typical chain elongation
observed is a minimum of 3mm on a doubled up
chain, taking an approximate measurement.
Refer to the illustration attached below for a
stretched chain example.
Please ensure that any elongated chain
measurements are included in the 3C's data entered
in the warranty system.
PARTS INFORMATION
Part No.: Description Qty:
12616609 Primary Timing Chain x 1
12616608 Secondary Timing Chain x 2

[planetdavo]

i was a holden dealer mechanic

That automatically means many of the "internet experts" on this forum will think you are a pimply faced, customer car flogging useless apprentice my friend...

[BLACK 346]

That automatically means many of the "internet experts" on this forum will think you are a pimply faced, customer car flogging useless apprentice my friend...

Davo, you do post some good info at times, but you constantly refer to THIS FORUMS AND IT'S MEMBERS like it is the Bubonic Plague. Why do you keep coming back? I am surprised you haven't yet copped a ban considering how rude you are to some members. Sorry, just my opinion.

[planetdavo]

Service Information
Document ID: 1805994 (for 07 model year-if 08 model year slightly different)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DTC P0008 or P0009
Diagnostic Instructions
• Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.

• Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.

• Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provide an overview of each diagnostic category.

DTC Descriptors
DTC P0008: Engine Position System Performance Bank 1

DTC P0009: Engine Position System Performance Bank 2


Circuit/System Description
The engine control module (ECM) tests for a misalignment between both camshafts on one bank of the engine and the crankshaft. The misalignment would be at an idler sprocket for either bank or at the crankshaft. Once the ECM learns the position of both camshafts on one bank of the engine, the ECM compares the learned values to a reference value. The ECM will set a DTC if both learned values for one bank of the engine are exceeding a calibrated threshold in the same direction.

Conditions for Running the DTC
• DTCs P0010, P0011, P0013, P0014, P0020, P0021, P0023, P0024, P0341, P0342, P0343, P0346, P0347, P0348, P0366, P0367, P0368, P0391, P0392, P0393, P2088, P2089, P2090, P2091, P2092, P2093, P2094, and P2095 are not set.

• The engine is operating.

• The ECM has learned the camshaft positions.

• DTC P0008 and P0009 run continuously once the above conditions are met.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
The ECM detects that both camshafts on either bank of the engine are mis-aligned with the crankshaft for more than 4 seconds or a cumulative of 50 seconds.

Action Taken When the DTC Sets
DTC P0008 and P0009 are type B DTCs

Conditions for Clearing the DTC
DTC P0008 and P0009 are type B DTCs

Diagnostic Aids
• Inspect the engine for any recent engine mechanical repairs. An incorrectly installed secondary timing chain can cause this DTC to set.

• A single failed camshaft actuator or actuator solenoid will not cause this DTC to set. This diagnostic algorithm is designed to detect an alignment condition between a primary intermediate sprocket and the secondary timing chain, or the alignment between a primary intermediate sprocket and the crankshaft. Either condition would cause the camshaft timing for both cams on one bank to be off an equal number of degrees.

• The presence of DTCs P0008 and P0009 along with P0016, P0017, P0018, and P0019 indicates a possible condition with the primary timing chain and the alignment between both intermediate sprockets and the crankshaft. Or, the crankshaft reluctor wheel has moved and is no longer referenced to top dead center (TDC).

• Observing the desired and actual camshaft angle parameters, with a scan tool before a DTC sets, may help to isolate whether a condition is specific to one camshaft, one bank, or caused by a condition with the primary crankshaft timing.

Reference Information
DTC Type Reference
Powertrain Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Type Definitions

Scan Tool Reference

• Scan Tool Data List

• Scan Tool Data Definitions

• Scan Tool Output Controls


Circuit/System Verification
Clear the DTCs with a scan tool.
Allow the engine to reach the normal operating temperature.
Idle the engine for 10 minutes or until a DTC sets. Observe the DTC information with a scan tool, DTCs P0008 and P0009 should not set.
Circuit/System Testing
Inspect the timing chains and tensioners for excessive wear or misalignment.
⇒ If you find a condition with the timing chains or tensioners, repair as necessary.

Inspect the crankshaft reluctor wheel for being mispositioned on the crankshaft.
⇒ If you find a condition with the crankshaft, repair as necessary.

Repair Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.

• Setting Camshaft Timing

• Camshaft Timing Drive Chain Alignment Diagram

• Camshaft Timing Drive Components Cleaning and Inspection

• Camshaft Cleaning and Inspection

[planetdavo]

Davo, you do post some good info at times, but you constantly refer to THIS FORUMS AND IT'S MEMBERS like it is the Bubonic Plague. Why do you keep coming back? I am surprised you haven't yet copped a ban considering how rude you are to some members. Sorry, just my opinion.

Maybe I just want to help people like the owner of this Captiva, against the tide of seriously depressingly negative parasites determined to crush his spirit, like many others in this thread have tried to do... :teach:

[BLACK 346]

Maybe I just want to help people like the owner of this Captiva, against the tide of seriously depressingly negative parasites determined to crush his spirit, like many others in this thread have tried to do... :teach:

Ok, fair enough, enough of the Parasite stuff though :)

[DR()]

Circuit/System Verification
Clear the DTCs with a scan tool.
Allow the engine to reach the normal operating temperature.
Idle the engine for 10 minutes or until a DTC sets. Observe the DTC information with a scan tool, DTCs P0008 and P0009 should not set.



I took the car into auto elects the next day for a third party verification. He ran this same test (verification) you describe here Davo...no light and no fault codes came up on scan. Now i realise what he was up to when letting it idle for so long :goodjob:

[LSavvy]

Don't know why you posted that DTC info up when he has no fault with his car and didn't log a fault allegedly. Now your going to get him all worried about timing chains.


You do realise that Wiki is really no different to the "truth" on internet forums?
People put up something, and if no one else corrects it, well, it must be true! :eek:

Yes i know Wiki may not be the best research resource, perhaps you could have made the correction needed or point them out.

So which bit was not the truth? Let me guess, the bit about Daewoo Captivas being rebadged as Holden's:)


That automatically means many of the "internet experts" on this forum will think you are a pimply faced, customer car flogging useless apprentice my friend...

No, i see him as an honest guy that calls a spade a spade as he spoke the truth and said it how it is without the BS you try to feed about the Holden Captiva not being a Daewoo yet you shoot him down because you don't like another expert (without blinkers) on the forum. Good on him for standing up!




Maybe I just want to help people like the owner of this Captiva, against the tide of seriously depressingly negative parasites determined to crush his spirit, like many others in this thread have tried to do... :teach:

Thats you putting spin on the story, think of it as we (the seriously depressing parasites you talk off) are educating him about the Captiva being rebadged Daewoo's. I couldn't care less about his decision on what car to buy. I do care that he (and many not in the know) thought his Daewoo badged Holden was a real Holden.

Drop the name calling and put forward facts that would help your arguments.





I took the car into auto elects the next day for a third party verification. He ran this same test (verification) you describe here Davo...no light and no fault codes came up on scan. Now i realise what he was up to when letting it idle for so long :goodjob:

Of course there was no fault as Holden had cleared the fault.

[Irish]

I took the car into auto elects the next day for a third party verification. He ran this same test (verification) you describe here Davo...no light and no fault codes came up on scan. Now i realise what he was up to when letting it idle for so long :goodjob:

When a technician reads a fault they will clear the code so that the next fault light doesn't confuse the issue with an unrelated problem.

[Irish]

Maybe I just want to help people like the owner of this Winstorm, against the tide of seriously depressingly negative parasites determined to crush his spirit, like many others in this thread have tried to do... :teach:

Nobody was trying to crush his spirit! The bloke made a statement that was a little odd so I questioned it. Sometimes a little bit of information can help a person immensely. For instance, somebody knowing their holden apollo is also a toyota camry may help them to track down the cheaper part supplier, or find a shop manual that will give them information about that vehicle.

[Micks]

I believe these engines are designed & built here in Aus, but I test drove one approx 12 months ago & didn't like em one little bit :spew: My Missus wanted the Captiva right or wrong I said no & glad now I stuck to my guns!
To the Op though I hope the Dealer hasn't just given your vehicle the royal reset & she'll be right treatment till yer on ya own though.

Cheers
VYT

[ice57l]

if i have read correct and you took the car to holden, and they checked it, and even cleared it, then just sit back and relax. if it comes back next week and it is the same code then get it looked at further. anything on that car could of causeed the light to come on, from something like the Immobiliser not reading correctly to one of the engine sensors being fault! it only doesnt have to read it correctly for a mil/second and then the lights on.. it will either be a present code, and intermittent code or if it hasnt come back a history code which there is not much that can be done..as the problems not there. cars these day are smart and if it sets a code it will go into one of a number of limp home modes.. but there are something it cant run with so it will turn itself off. if at any time it makes noises turn it off! the ecu cant tell if its about to drop a valve and or break a timing chain/belt.. or mechanical problems ,it can only read the sensors.. even then becareful just because it sets a o2 sensor code it doesnt mean its the o2 sensor..

[ice57l]

and agree hyundai are a great car! you could go past that 12999 getz on the road ,,,, and the warrenty.. even toyota have sliped alittle but still the best for a trouble free family car that cost nothing to service.. .. still give me a ls1 anyday...

[Irish]

if i have read correct and you took the car to holden, and they checked it, and even cleared it, then just sit back and relax. if it comes back next week and it is the same code then get it looked at further. anything on that car could of causeed the light to come on, from something like the Immobiliser not reading correctly to one of the engine sensors being fault! it only doesnt have to read it correctly for a mil/second and then the lights on.. it will either be a present code, and intermittent code or if it hasnt come back a history code which there is not much that can be done..as the problems not there. cars these day are smart and if it sets a code it will go into one of a number of limp home modes.. but there are something it cant run with so it will turn itself off. if at any time it makes noises turn it off! the ecu cant tell if its about to drop a valve and or break a timing chain/belt.. or mechanical problems ,it can only read the sensors.. even then becareful just because it sets a o2 sensor code it doesnt mean its the o2 sensor..

Whilst you are correct that it is probably just a sensor, some of those sensors cost hundreds of dollars. You are also correct that an O2 sensor code may not be related to that sensor, but you can usually determine the cause from process of elimination. It may be something as simple as a stuffed spark plug or a faulty coil pack causing the O2 sensor to throw a code but these things do cost money.

[ice57l]

thats correct ,, so i just sugest if they cleared it ,, see what happens , worry bout it if it come back with in a week.. also do a wiggle test on the engine harness and plugs just to m ake sure everything is where it should... my work bt50 has had the light on for over 7 months and mazda said its ok to drive while they get a harness for it! 7 months and its still on! so im covered and it drives the same.

[DR()]

if i have read correct and you took the car to holden, and they checked it, and even cleared it, then just sit back and relax. if it comes back next week and it is the same code then get it looked at further. anything on that car could of causeed the light to come on, from something like the Immobiliser not reading correctly to one of the engine sensors being fault! it only doesnt have to read it correctly for a mil/second and then the lights on.. it will either be a present code, and intermittent code or if it hasnt come back a history code which there is not much that can be done..as the problems not there. cars these day are smart and if it sets a code it will go into one of a number of limp home modes.. but there are something it cant run with so it will turn itself off. if at any time it makes noises turn it off! the ecu cant tell if its about to drop a valve and or break a timing chain/belt.. or mechanical problems ,it can only read the sensors.. even then becareful just because it sets a o2 sensor code it doesnt mean its the o2 sensor..

thanks ice. your post is reassuring and probably the most positive about the dealer that i have heard . no light yet i did worry myself silly but i have had my auto elect pretty much say what you have stated in your post.

to everyone else thanks for your input.

[LSavvy]

to everyone else thanks for your input.

No worries were here to help:jester:

[ti0350]

I read somewhere today they are not going to be daewoos anymore, as the daewoo name is going it is now going to be called GM Korea..

[planetdavo]

and agree hyundai are a great car! you could go past that 12999 getz on the road ,,,, and the warrenty..

Current Hyundai owners certainly have a lot to thank the mid/late 90's Excel's for, with their potentially self destructing front suspension lower control arms leading to extended warranty to try and regain customer confidence in the brand.

[LSavvy]

I read somewhere today they are not going to be daewoos anymore, as the daewoo name is going it is now going to be called GM Korea..

Geez i wonder why?


Current Hyundai owners certainly have a lot to thank the mid/late 90's Excel's for, with their potentially self destructing front suspension lower control arms leading to extended warranty to try and regain customer confidence in the brand.

So true, however they improved their brand and backed it up with a 5yr warranty and hey presto they are well positioned and trading under the same name with consumer confidence.

[BOBGEN111]

We traded our cruze in on a diesel sx captiva and love it. We have no complants at all.

I dont care where or who makes the car and holden badge it as thier own, we enjoy it.

[planetdavo]

So true, however they improved their brand and backed it up with a 5yr warranty and hey presto they are well positioned and trading under the same name with consumer confidence.

The 5 year warranty came out during the Excel period, when sales nosedived after the big recall. The improved models and image came later (but still kept the extended warranty).

[skidmarx]

hyundais are a great little car these days, out of all the little cheap cars getting around the only one i wouldnt touch is the kias, the amount of them i have come through the shop with realy simple design flaws causing problems, i wouldnt never buy one myself,

and dave, while yes the dealerships do have a shitload of silly car flogging pimply faced kids working there, what industry doesnt?
i have been out on my own for quite some time now and have proven my worth, dont want to take my word for much then dont, its no skin off my nose, but the amount of pm's i used to get on here when i was a forum reguler kinda makes me think you are one of those very few who think that ;) have a great day

[planetdavo]

hyundais are a great little car these days, out of all the little cheap cars getting around the only one i wouldnt touch is the kias, the amount of them i have come through the shop with realy simple design flaws causing problems, i wouldnt never buy one myself,

and dave, while yes the dealerships do have a shitload of silly car flogging pimply faced kids working there, what industry doesnt?
i have been out on my own for quite some time now and have proven my worth, dont want to take my word for much then dont, its no skin off my nose, but the amount of pm's i used to get on here when i was a forum reguler kinda makes me think you are one of those very few who think that ;) have a great day

skid, the comment was done in jest at others regular comments about dealer mechanics. It wasn't judging you, ok. :)
PS: Kia have been owned by Hyundai for years now. Basically all reskinned Hyundai's these days.

[VYBerlinaV8]

I'm not sure why people bag Korean cars these days. Most of them are well made and reliable, and very cheap. In 10 years Hyundai will probably be the biggest car maker on the planet.

[Irish]

I'm not sure why people bag Korean cars these days. Most of them are well made and reliable, and very cheap. In 10 years Hyundai will probably be the biggest car maker on the planet.

Manufacturers can only be rated off of past efforts. In the case of GM, toyota, and ford they have a long history of generally making reliable and cheap transport. The same can't be said for hyundai, daewoo, and kia.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Manufacturers can only be rated off of past efforts. In the case of GM, toyota, and ford they have a long history of generally making reliable and cheap transport. The same can't be said for hyundai, daewoo, and kia.

The early Korean cars were crap, no argument at all. That said, I think Hyundai (and to a lesser extent Kia) are actually making fairly well built machines now, at least as good as GM and Ford.

Also, I had a Daewoo Matiz (yes, you can laugh) as my commuter car for nearly six years, and it had almost zero hassles, definitely less problems than my VY or Astra. (All of these cars were bought new.)

[Irish]

The early Korean cars were crap, no argument at all. That said, I think Hyundai (and to a lesser extent Kia) are actually making fairly well built machines now, at least as good as GM and Ford.

Also, I had a Daewoo Matiz (yes, you can laugh) as my commuter car for nearly six years, and it had almost zero hassles, definitely less problems than my VY or Astra. (All of these cars were bought new.)

Don't get me wrong, i think the Koreans have lifted their game but it is still early days yet. They have got to maintain building reliable products for longer than a few years to win me over. I also very much doubt any recently released Korean cars will reach 46 years of age. My current car on the other hand already has.

[LSavvy]

The 5 year warranty came out during the Excel period, when sales nosedived after the big recall. The improved models and image came later (but still kept the extended warranty).

And they kept the warranty at five yrs which counts

So yes Hyundai owns a major share in them like all the makes being owned by a handfull as you know.
Back in 05
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-03-22-korean-cars-usat_x.htm

Difference is they chose to trade under their own name and badge the cars under their respective brand. I Note that in the US they had 10yr/100,000Miles warranty.

Market share for Hyundai I Guess.



skid, the comment was done in jest at others regular comments about dealer mechanics. It wasn't judging you, ok. :)
PS: Kia have been owned by Hyundai for years now. Basically all reskinned Hyundai's these days.

You were just name calling:eyes:

[Belzey]

Geez has this gone off topic or what..... Perhaps those of you that do not like the Captiva can just stay out of future Captiva threads from now on! Poor guy just asked a simple question and he gets this crap.


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