ve omega mods??

[thekidscar]

hello everyone,
i know that OMEGA is a swear word to most of you,but i was wondering is there anyone who does tuning / mods for these??

i know its what you guys call the poverty pack but its what i have and i think its the best car ive ever owned ( ive never owned a v8 etc.) and as my familys main mode of transport we love it...but.....

other than the usual mods like exhaust, pod filter, lowered springs/shocks etc i know next to nothing about making it a bit more "play" friendly.

any suggestions???

i like the idea of it being a xr6 or sv6 eater in "sleeper" mode with no bodykit etc, and would like to wipe the smirk off the faces of these cars owners when an apparently standard OMEGA leaves them for dust.

any help at all would be appreciated .

thank you.

J

[jaykay]

one of these will work :goodjob: (http://paceperformance.com/c-142537-engines-complete-engines-ls-complete-supercharged-engines.html)

[Wonky]

Some places can now tune the V6s, though not many. I have mate who had a VE SV6 M6 (SIDI) and did a high 14 at Calder with 20" rims/tyres, lots of wheelspin, stock and in full street trim, so they go fairly well. He thought there was a mid 14 in it.

[Micks]

Drop a 6.2L in her, nice sleeper, failing that be happy with what you have or trade it.

Cheers
VYT

[DCV1NU]

one of these will work :goodjob: (http://paceperformance.com/c-142537-engines-complete-engines-ls-complete-supercharged-engines.html)

One of these engines in the omega would make it the ultimate sleeper.:goodjob:

[The_Senator]

One of these would be excellent..

http://paceperformance.com/images/M20045449.gif

Or for something a little bit different:

http://paceperformance.com/images/M15195568.gif :bow:

[EfiJy]

Leave the engine alone and upgrade the suspension and brakes.

You'll feel the difference in ride and handling and probably get to enjoy the car more.

[QIKMIK]

Shorter diff gears will make a big difference. It was one of the last things I did to my VN V6 years ago and should have been the first. Omegas run a 2.92 ratio rear end. Imagine what it would be like with a 3.7 LSD! Do the exhaust, filter and tune at the same time. These V6s can have a reasonable note if you get the right system. I have a VE Clubby cat back on mine and it sounds ok at full noise. There are a few threads about tuning on these cars. Gains seem to be strength in the mid range with a little up top as well as anywhere up to about 10% improvement in fuel economy. Once again, the search button is your friend!

You should be able to get shocks/springs fitted for under $600 (Wholesale suspension in Sydney for example) or go the whole hog and get coilovers. These boats need some assistance. I know what my Lumina feels like when you're up it. Depending on the look you are going for, grab some 16" police style steelies and some sticky rubber.

Enjoy your modding.

Mick

[planetdavo]

If it's an early single exhaust model get the rear bumper black insert off the later sidi Omega's and fit it to yours. You can then fit a twin exhaust and get it tuned to suit.

[thekidscar]

hi guys,thanks for the advise,

id love 1 of those engines but the money fairy wont come to the party with that.:)

i have a set of aftermarket 18s on it with good rubber and i noticed the difference straight away after the 16" stockies,

EFIJY- ive got a set of king springs SL to put in when i get some new shocks in the next couple of weeks.

DAVO- does the twin exhaust mod make much of a difference?? im assuming so or they wouldnt make them for it?? and would a std ssv system fit, as i can get 1 for $o.

MIK-with the lsd 3.7 is that a std item on the v8s and how much of the rear end would i need to replace to fit it??

thanks heaps again for the info everyone.

James

[Wonky]

MIK-with the lsd 3.7 is that a std item on the v8s and how much of the rear end would i need to replace to fit it??
Hi James,

I may be wrong (again :doh:) but I believe 3.27 is now the standard diff ratio for V6, probably since SIDI was introduced. Standard V8 ratios are 2.92 (A6), 3.45 (M6), 3.27 (A6 HSV) and 3.7 (M6 HSV). For the V8s some people have tested 2.92 all the way through to 3.7 in their A6 and have concluded 3.27 gives the best times at the strip and drivability for normal driving. That said, I have a 3.45 in my A6 and love it!! What would be best for a V6 I don't know..........

3.7 LSD are available new for close to $1500 and you are unlikely to pick one up second hand unless it's stuffed. Quite a few people on here have upgraded their Holden 3.45 to the HSV 3.7 and then sell their 3.45 off to recoup some money. That's how I got mine ($500 with only 1,800km on it), though have seen some people wanting up to $800! :shock: I was surprised to find the one I ended up with was still available as I didn't see the ad on here till about 2 days after it went up, then spent another day or so umming and ahhing about whether to get it. I'm now sooooooo glad I did!! :yup:

Just be aware that quite a few guys who've gone to 3.7 have had issues with them whining and I know of at least one which has been replaced under warranty and after a while the replacement one started it too. :(

I'm pretty sure the complete diff centre is just a bolt-in replacement (1 - 1.5 hrs with hoist).

Cheers,
Gary

[Plenty]

Put this on my SS-V A6 and boy did it make a difference.
not sure what it would be like on yours, i imagine it would be much the same effect if your ratio is 2.92 as well.
www.holmart.com.au/online/prod427.htm

[185iboy]

Good airbox. Not sure what you can get for VE, maybe a hsv one or someone makes an otr for the V6.

Pacemakers, 100cpi cats, HSV catback exhaust

This made a suprising difference on my old alloytec and only $150
http://www.maceengineering.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/mace/Products/MI603/SubProducts/MI603

Diff gears will make a huge difference for ya.

This intake manifold if you're willing to go further
http://www.maceengineering.com.au/epages/shop.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/mace/Products/MNF601/SubProducts/MNF601

[Roonstain]

Hey mate

I used to have an Omega V too

Russo make a good OTR for the VE alloytecs - have a look there. A good tune will always help too (yours should be tunable)

I have one of the Mace intake insulator kits that i never got around to putting on my car - if they want 150 for it, you can have mine for 100 if you PM me.

[Kuzman89]

Mace engineering can also tune them!!!! Contact Steve!!

[theVman]

If it's an early single exhaust model get the rear bumper black insert off the later sidi Omega's and fit it to yours. You can then fit a twin exhaust and get it tuned to suit.

Thats a good suggestion. I beleive people have fitted the SS/SSV exhausts to the V6 models. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but pretty sure they bolt up with little to no modification required. Obviously you will need to new bumper insert.

Combine that with the OTR and a tune and you will have it breathing a lot better. This issue I have with the Omega's is the crappy 4 speed box however this can be tweaked witha tune also to make it a bit better.

Some good advice in this thread. :goodjob:

[Roonstain]

Thats a good suggestion. I beleive people have fitted the SS/SSV exhausts to the V6 models. Someone please correct me if I am wrong but pretty sure they bolt up with little to no modification required. Obviously you will need to new bumper insert.

Combine that with the OTR and a tune and you will have it breathing a lot better. This issue I have with the Omega's is the crappy 4 speed box however this can be tweaked witha tune also to make it a bit better.

Some good advice in this thread. :goodjob:
Yep, I put an SS catback on my old omega - bolts straight up

[planetdavo]

All you basically need is an extra bracket and mount rubber for the left side.
I'm fairly sure that if you try to use a V8 exhaust you'll face an issue with too small cutouts in the black insert for twin pipes per side.
It might fit ok, just wont match the cutout shape. A 195kW/210kW SV6 or Calais one would perhaps be a better "cheap" option if you go down that line.

[thekidscar]

hi guys, thanks for the info coming in..:goodjob::goodjob:

just been on Holmarts website and looking at the diffs etc... what does it mean when it says the diff isa "shot peened gearset" i am unfamiliar with the term???

on the lighter side, how many hp will i gain from adding chev badges?? lol:fishing:.....just kidding guys, thanks again


James

[XLR8 V8]

just been on Holmarts website and looking at the diffs etc... what does it mean when it says the diff isa "shot peened gearset" i am unfamiliar with the term???

Google is your friend to find out what shot peening is all about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening

http://www.teamrip.com/shot_peening_info.html

In short, it improves gear strength.

[QIKMIK]

All you basically need is an extra bracket and mount rubber for the left side.
I'm fairly sure that if you try to use a V8 exhaust you'll face an issue with too small cutouts in the black insert for twin pipes per side.
It might fit ok, just wont match the cutout shape. A 195kW/210kW SV6 or Calais one would perhaps be a better "cheap" option if you go down that line.When I did the Lumina the SIDI cars weren't out yet so we had to cut the existing fascia ourselves. I needed to buy a new front hanger, new rubbers, new rear hanger (has two hangers instead of one) and the LHS heat shielding (comes with mounting hardware).

http://www.users.on.net/~mjwt/VE%20Lumina%20Quad%20pipes.JPG

http://www.users.on.net/~mjwt/VE%20Lumina%20LHS%20pipes.JPG

You'll have to use the SIDI rear fascia as the SV6/SS item doesn't quite fit and the Calais item requires the whole bar and tail lights be replaced. The twin-tip system from the Calais/SV6 will sit nicely with the SIDI fascia but as pd said, the quad-tip may not fit inside the factory cutouts. Good luck!

Mick

[Wonky]

You'll have to use the SIDI rear fascia as the SV6/SS item doesn't quite fit and the Calais item requires the whole bar and tail lights be replaced. The twin-tip system from the Calais/SV6 will sit nicely with the SIDI fascia but as pd said, the quad-tip may not fit inside the factory cutouts. Good luck!

Mick

What about using the G8 diffuser? About $75 or so and IMHO looks heaps better than the SS/SSV one. Quite a few guys have done the mod on their SS/SSV and Curtis had his painted to match the body colour and it looked very schmick!! :goodjob: HoTBoZ has the car now and you're interested maybe he could take a pic of it. Only minor modifications required - again if you're interested I can give you the original link to the thread about using them.

[thekidscar]

i was looking at the g8 diffuser earlier tonight, I was under the impression it was to fit the sv6/8 bar and would be too much of a missmatch of shape to fit in the omega bar??

James

[QIKMIK]

Search button said this... (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1348344&postcount=21)

Mick

[Wonky]

i was looking at the g8 diffuser earlier tonight, I was under the impression it was to fit the sv6/8 bar and would be too much of a missmatch of shape to fit in the omega bar??

James

Sorry, you may well be right but my reasoning was IF you were looking to fit an SV6/SS/SSV diffuser then given that the G8 diffuser fits SV6/SS/SSV with only minor modifications (from memory a very small trim and also a couple of holes in slightly different locations) then you should be able to also make a G8 diffuser fit and it looks better.

[Bingo BIlly]

Nice car

To wipe the smirk of many faces

Get full exhaust, intake and diff gears

Then tune if you can.

It would be a traffic lights gp warrior. Just charge away off the line, they would need heaps of road to get near ya, ls1/2 included.

[thekidscar]

thanks guys,

i think i need to use the search button a bit more:doh:

gonna order 8 g8 diffuser in the morning,then we'll see how my skills with the dremel are.lol

[wikky]

It would be a traffic lights gp warrior. Just charge away off the line, they would need heaps of road to get near ya, ls1/2 included.

Yeah 'cos then it'd be hektic as bra.......

[NeishaVESS]

Nice car

To wipe the smirk of many faces

Get full exhaust, intake and diff gears

Then tune if you can.

It would be a traffic lights gp warrior. Just charge away off the line, they would need heaps of road to get near ya, ls1/2 included.

thekidscar: dont get to caught up in the diff gear change, a diff gear change doesnt transform a car, it makes what you already have a lot easier to get moving, I cant stand seeing people say do it because it will throw you back in the seat, whilst it will throw you back more then the STD diff its not going to be mind blowing. I changed my SS diff a while back to a new shotpeened HSV 3.7 and ill be honest its the best money ive spent on my car. Why you ask? not because its a traffic light terror, not because it throws me back in the seat, because it makes the car so much more driveable even when just putting about through 50km/h zones, the ability to use 6th gear at 75km/h if i choose. It will transform your car, Yes but just dont set your hopes that high that you dissapoint yourself.

If I had the Omega I would do as most have said: Exhaust and air intake to get it breathing, a tune if yours can be tuned as there is always an improvement to be made and then I'd definantly go the gears to make it an all round nicer drive and will aid in fuel saving as the car will drive effortlessly.

Shaun

[Bingo BIlly]

thekidscar: dont get to caught up in the diff gear change, a diff gear change doesnt transform a car, it makes what you already have a lot easier to get moving, I cant stand seeing people say do it because it will throw you back in the seat, whilst it will throw you back more then the STD diff its not going to be mind blowing. I changed my SS diff a while back to a new shotpeened HSV 3.7 and ill be honest its the best money ive spent on my car. Why you ask? not because its a traffic light terror, not because it throws me back in the seat, because it makes the car so much more driveable even when just putting about through 50km/h zones, the ability to use 6th gear at 75km/h if i choose. It will transform your car, Yes but just dont set your hopes that high that you dissapoint

Shaun

First you say it wont transform the car, then you say it was the best mod you did then you say dont expect too much then you say it will transform your car.

Your post is a little on the loose side.

The diff gears will make the biggest difference of all the mods mentioned for performance

[NeishaVESS]

First you say it wont transform the car, then you say it was the best mod you did then you say dont expect too much then you say it will transform your car.

Your post is a little on the loose side.

The diff gears will make the biggest difference of all the mods mentioned for performance

Well I did give you the reasons why it was the best mod, at the end of the day a change from say 2.92 to 3.27 or from 3.27 to 3.45 is hardly going to make an Omega a traffic light warrior as some have said.

All I meant by my post was for the OP to work out the direction he wants to go with the car and to not set the bar to high.

With my car I changed from 3.46 to 3.7 for the only reason being so I could use 6th gear under 100km/h and its done that and moreso so therefor I am happy with my outlay.
If I went to 3.7's purely to be a traffic light warrior then im sorry but I wasted my money.

Shaun

[thekidscar]

hi guys, keep the advise coming....its always good to hear from people who know what theyre talking about..

just to clarify... im not after a lights racer, its not my thing.

i just found that after the skidpan day at rosewood
( thanks again SILVERVYSS aka. John ) that a dit of overall improvement in the cars performace would make the car just what i want..

i dont want to crush the world, just make the "traffic light bandits " in their multicoloured, missmatched bodykit, mags on the front and stockies on the back, fat bogan pigdog missus hanging a fag out the passenger window get a suprise when the lowly SLOWMEGA gives them a bit of a suprise.

again knowledge is power, and with you guys knowledge , ill be able to get more power.LOL:)

James

[Bingo BIlly]

Go with the diff gears and it will be a traffic lights warrior, that shaun guy mustnt have fitted up the right diff gears.

If there is one thing diff gears WILL do is make it a traffic lights warrior. (using most appropriate ratio)

[planetdavo]

F#ck this billy guy is hilarious!!! :lmao:
Anything that gets you into top gear by 25km/h must be awesome! :rofl:

[rankys_ss]

surely this billy bloke is taking the piss right?!?!?

i've taken shits that are smarter than you billy and thats being nice

[Bingo BIlly]

If there is one thing i can put together its a traffic lights warrior

Many years ago in a vs 5.0 commodore i used to own, everyone would scratch their heads at the lights wondering why my 5.0 would always just dart away from them. Other 5.0s couldnt understand why mine would just bolt away rev out to redline sooner than theirs and change up sooner, just pulling away?

They used to ask, what exhaust, what cam, what intake etc etc etc, never did someone ask what diff gears, it was the 3.9 gears disembarking them all.

I once had a wrx at the lights, he went for it, my old vs was spinning whilst pulling away from him, i even changed lanes in front of him, he was furious. 3 sets of lights in a row i ran away from him (this was many years ago when this drags from lights was far more common, now its almost illegal)

Moral of the story is, a diff gear only omega will blast a full exhaust and tuned omega from the lights, no sweat.

Many on here will say "get a exhaust bro"

[185iboy]

Yep...3.7's, tune, exhaust...at least you hold off the gooses in the Golf Gti's and the like.

[Holden Nut]

Well I did give you the reasons why it was the best mod, at the end of the day a change from say 2.92 to 3.27 or from 3.27 to 3.45 is hardly going to make an Omega a traffic light warrior as some have said.

All I meant by my post was for the OP to work out the direction he wants to go with the car and to not set the bar to high.

With my car I changed from 3.46 to 3.7 for the only reason being so I could use 6th gear under 100km/h and its done that and moreso so therefor I am happy with my outlay.
If I went to 3.7's purely to be a traffic light warrior then im sorry but I wasted my money.

ShaunWhat is the significance of now being able to use "6th gear under 100"?

If you stayed in 5th at the same speed with the old gear ratio it would probably be similar rpm, and you would have the advantage of still having one gear left for when you do cruise at higher speeds.

I will never understand all these diff gear threads/posts etc...they give us 6 speed manuals (and now autos) so that we have a wide range of low and high ratio gears...as soon as people start putting 3.9s+ in cars all that goes out the window...and all for what, 0.2 faster down the 1/4 mile.

[planetdavo]

Wonder if billy has done diff gears in his lawn mower (for those drags with the neighbours and all)...:jester:
Some people seem to like diff gears because they can watch their tacometer flick around faster, helping them fulfil their formula 1 world champion that missed their opportunity fantasies.
All this diff gear talk can overdo a good thing (and it is only a good thing sometimes).
A fast moving taco doesn't necessarily mean a fast moving speedo young billy grasshopper. :teach:

[NeishaVESS]

What is the significance of now being able to use "6th gear under 100"?

If you stayed in 5th at the same speed with the old gear ratio it would probably be similar rpm, and you would have the advantage of still having one gear left for when you do cruise at higher speeds.

I will never understand all these diff gear threads/posts etc...they give us 6 speed manuals (and now autos) so that we have a wide range of low and high ratio gears...as soon as people start putting 3.9s+ in cars all that goes out the window...and all for what, 0.2 faster down the 1/4 mile.

Thats a fair point, but thats only if your a person who gets a car and goes sick bro i need 4.11's and a spool to be a traffic lights warrior, if you do that then of course the whole point of wide spread ratio gearsets is pointless, ie: Bingo billy who goes to sleep at night wondering if an XR6 n/a will keep up with his traffic lights warrior.

Another reason I went for the 3.7's over the 3.45's is on my way to and from work there is about 15 low speed roundabouts say 35km/h depending on the traffic flow, with the 3.45's I was constantly swapping between 3rd and 4th gear every 100metres, work it out over a week on how many times im doing an unessesary clutch in and clutch out, change to 3rd then change to 4th then back to 3rd.

Now with the HSV 3.7's its 4th all the way and only needing to change if i have to come to a complete stop, otherwise the car loves it.

Shaun

[Bingo BIlly]

Anyone ever heard of "multiplication of torque"

Those above with the 6spd argument should clean their ears!

When would you ever use the upper rpm limit of 5th and 6th gear? Or even 4th? Who needs to do 278km/h? Isnt it better to have tighter ratios?

The multiplication if torque will no doubt wake up a car all over the place in every gear abd especially down low. The tradeoff is top speed is reduced by the % change of the ratio. Who cares if your car maxes out at 220km/h instead of 260??

The downside is over revving at highway speeds etc but for cars with 6 speed set to do 278km/h it wont be an issue, even in the 4 speed autos its not an issue (assuming a reasonable ratio is chosen)

There are massive acceleration gains here.

People who are against diff gears simply have not been in a car that has been fitted with them

Even a quarter mile the standard ratios are too long

Its like getting a marathon runner to do the 100 metre sprint... Not optimal.

Our cars are setup from the factory as a marathon runner but we are running the 100 metre sprints..

The OP wants to optimise his car this way, not to do 278km/h

[csv rulz]

I can tell you now very very very rarely is my car ever in a 100m sprint, I do however do a lot of HWY km (Marathon driving) accordingly having a high 6th gear giving my V8 very very good fuel economy for those marathon runs! If i need more peformance to overtake i simply change gears. If i was after a lights runner i would have bought a wrx, but i like my big/lazy/comfy/power when i need it V8 for all the HWY driving i do
I have driven a monaro with 3.7 in it and was impressed as it was a little bit more responsive on the throttle, I would consider changing to them as it only upped the rpm by a couple of 100. But any more than that would probably leave me with a very empty wallett

[Bingo BIlly]

Obviously the factory decide on a gearset for overall driving conditions.

In a 6 spd man there would be minimal penalty on the highway due to it being an overly long ratio to begin with.

If you like your relaxed cruiser than you would be a prime candidate for diff gears as you wont need to change from 4th gear around town, more throttle response too. You can also leave it in 6th on highway and overtake instead of disrupting your sleep and chugging down 2-3 gears and then change back up again. It also helps for people who want to lug about in top gears too making them more useable.

The op in his omega would be very impressed.

[csv rulz]

Obviously the factory decide on a gearset for overall driving conditions.

In a 6 spd man there would be minimal penalty on the highway due to it being an overly long ratio to begin with.

If you like your relaxed cruiser than you would be a prime candidate for diff gears as you wont need to change from 4th gear around town, more throttle response too. You can also leave it in 6th on highway and overtake instead of disrupting your sleep and chugging down 2-3 gears and then change back up again. It also helps for people who want to lug about in top gears too making them more useable.

The op in his omega would be very impressed.

I understand your point of view, but if i didnt like changing gears i would have bought an auto and not a manual, I quite enjoy kicking it back a couple of gears and giving it a bootful. There is def a benefit to diff gears but only to certain extent.

[Bingo BIlly]

You also said you like big comfy lazy power.

If you wanna change gears and overly worried about fuel economy maybe a vtec is better suited to your needs.

Diff gears is no doubt the best solution for the op.

[csv rulz]

Yes because a VTEC has loads of lazy power, What i meant was i like the fact that i can cruise along at 100km @ 1500rpm (which helps achieve low 8L/100km) yet kick it back a couple of gears and enjoy the effortless power of the V8 if i need to! Getting of topic there mate!!


As previously stated diff gears have there benefit, im not disputing that with you, but they are not everything!

[HYMEY]

Anyone ever heard of "multiplication of torque"

Those above with the 6spd argument should clean their ears!

When would you ever use the upper rpm limit of 5th and 6th gear? Or even 4th? Who needs to do 278km/h? Isnt it better to have tighter ratios?

The multiplication if torque will no doubt wake up a car all over the place in every gear abd especially down low. The tradeoff is top speed is reduced by the % change of the ratio. Who cares if your car maxes out at 220km/h instead of 260??

The downside is over revving at highway speeds etc but for cars with 6 speed set to do 278km/h it wont be an issue, even in the 4 speed autos its not an issue (assuming a reasonable ratio is chosen)

There are massive acceleration gains here.

People who are against diff gears simply have not been in a car that has been fitted with them

Even a quarter mile the standard ratios are too long

Its like getting a marathon runner to do the 100 metre sprint... Not optimal.

Our cars are setup from the factory as a marathon runner but we are running the 100 metre sprints..

The OP wants to optimise his car this way, not to do 278km/h

Billy, I just love your insight and ideas, never seen such optimism and clever thinking on the forum, I reckon Cuz will sign u up soon!

[701let]

You also said you like big comfy lazy power.

If you wanna change gears and overly worried about fuel economy maybe a vtec is better suited to your needs.

Diff gears is no doubt the best solution for the op.

I'll take you on billy... I reckon I should be able to upend you seeing as I have a Ve ssv...

:fishing:

[Pepps]

Wonder if billy has done diff gears in his lawn mower

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Bingo BIlly]

I'll take you on billy... I reckon I should be able to upend you seeing as I have a Ve ssv...

:fishing:

Im a realist, the ve ss should upend me. I have full exhaust and intake but you got 6L, be a good fair stoush.

Im not worried about being upended by my own comrads. I can admit what is right but not when people claim more than they are. The OP with diff gears omega might give us both a run for our money

Diff gears is my next mod.

[csv rulz]

Im a realist, the ve ss should upend me. I have full exhaust and intake but you got 6L, be a good fair stoush.

Im not worried about being upended by my own comrads. I can admit what is right but not when people claim more than they are. The OP with diff gears omega might give us both a run for our money

Diff gears is my next mod.

Are you serious an omega with diff gears giving an SSV a run for its money? ur joking surely??

[Bingo BIlly]

Off the lights the ssv owner better be awake. Otherwise he might get a bucket of water over his head as the omega (with diff gears) darts away. Of course he will catch up eventually but not sure if he will before next set of traffic lights. The ssv will have to give it everything to get him

[csv rulz]

Off the lights the ssv owner better be awake. Otherwise he might get a bucket of water over his head as the omega (with diff gears) darts away. Of course he will catch up eventually but not sure if he will before next set of traffic lights. The ssv will have to give it everything to get him

im sorry but :lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Pepps]

You can laugh but I can see what he is saying. Even my VX executive A4 takes off the lights just as hard as my cammed SSV manual. 5 seconds later and the vx is in the rear mirror though.

[Holden Nut]

Anyone ever heard of "multiplication of torque"

Those above with the 6spd argument should clean their ears!

When would you ever use the upper rpm limit of 5th and 6th gear? Or even 4th? Who needs to do 278km/h? Isnt it better to have tighter ratios?

The multiplication if torque will no doubt wake up a car all over the place in every gear abd especially down low. The tradeoff is top speed is reduced by the % change of the ratio. Who cares if your car maxes out at 220km/h instead of 260??

The downside is over revving at highway speeds etc but for cars with 6 speed set to do 278km/h it wont be an issue, even in the 4 speed autos its not an issue (assuming a reasonable ratio is chosen)

There are massive acceleration gains here.

People who are against diff gears simply have not been in a car that has been fitted with them

Even a quarter mile the standard ratios are too long

Its like getting a marathon runner to do the 100 metre sprint... Not optimal.

Our cars are setup from the factory as a marathon runner but we are running the 100 metre sprints..

The OP wants to optimise his car this way, not to do 278km/h

The retention of what you consider tall diff gears has nothing to do with wanting to drive at 270km/h. As the others have said it is there to keep rpm and fuel economy under control and if you do need to go faster you change back gears, and if you can't be bothered you buy an auto! I had VX LS1 A4 and upgraded to 3.73 diff gears and was most unimpressed. I wish I had spent the money on something else. Yes the car was a bees dick faster but it wasn't the be all and end all. The (unopened) car I had in question by far gained the most from the tune and exhaust more than anything.

IIRC all the A6's run a first gear ratio that is around the 4.00 mark which is short enough already...putting a low ratio diff in even a 3L SIDI is probably going to result in a car that wheelspins the second any sign of rain appears...and even worse still if the car is a modified V8.

In saying all of this all that some seem to care about is how far they are ahead of the car next to them by the time they cross the other end of the intersection. Perhaps we could find someone to custom build a 5+:1 final drive resulting in cars that would be redlining in top gear by the time they reach 110km/h as that is the national speed limit and there is no need to be able to go faster.

[Plenty]

. If i was after a lights runner i would have bought a wrx

And lost to an SS :rofl:

[Plenty]

Off the lights the ssv owner better be awake. Otherwise he might get a bucket of water over his head as the omega (with diff gears) darts away. Of course he will catch up eventually but not sure if he will before next set of traffic lights. The ssv will have to give it everything to get him

You sir are the sort of person that drives an Aurion and thinks it quick!

Get a grip!

You can tell you have never driven a car of reasonable power, or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement.

[planetdavo]

Billy doesn't seem to realise that gearchanges cost you time. Make the gearing too low and all you'll be doing is getting b!tchslapped by some homeys in their rad rides near macca's carparks riding the meat of the torque curve with their obscenely high geared slappers.

[SLugg]

we used to lower the gearing on our bikes which made them accelerate harder but then run cams that make the engine rev higher leading to the same speed in gears... thats one way...


remember the most powerfull things use less gears not more
big power 900 or so rwhp top fuel bike 2 gears hi 5 sec passes , power moves the mass
not quite the power only 250rwhp or so pro stock bike 5 or 6 gears for hi 6second passes less power , need to move mass with gearing.

its all down to what you require from your car and your budget ..:goodjob:

[Bingo BIlly]

To the OP,

Diff gears will give it a jack the rabbit takeoff, exhaust will reduce low end torque give it a wee bit more up top but slower off the mark. For your needs exhaust is just noise

Upto you listen to them and get noise and lardy takeoff or listen to me, get the diff gears and it will be a traffic lights warrior with jack the rabbit takeoffs.

[NeishaVESS]

To the OP,

Diff gears will give it a jack the rabbit takeoff, exhaust will reduce low end torque give it a wee bit more up top but slower off the mark. For your needs exhaust is just noise

Upto you listen to them and get noise and lardy takeoff or listen to me, get the diff gears and it will be a traffic lights warrior with jack the rabbit takeoffs.

Bong-on-Billy: And yet with your own car youve gone the exhaust and intake instead of the jack the rabbit diff gears.

Any wonder you lay awake all night wondering when and where your traffic lights warrior will meet a N/A XR6 and get done by it.

Jack the rabbit boost off the line? whats next?

Im loving this thread, i come online every 30mins just to see what BullS#*t youve written back, keep it up.

[Bingo BIlly]

If yo love the thread then read it, my next mod is diff gears.

Then your ve ss will be vulnerable. If the OP listens to me he might disembark you if your not careful, no point having 280rwkw at 7000rpm and its like a train off the line....chugga chugga, maybe you should diff gears to mask your bottom end

[Plenty]

:popcorn: This is gold....
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[NeishaVESS]

If yo love the thread then read it, my next mod is diff gears.

Then your ve ss will be vulnerable. If the OP listens to me he might disembark you if your not careful, no point having 280rwkw at 7000rpm and its like a train off the line....chugga chugga, maybe you should diff gears to mask your bottom end

Ive got HSV diff gears now, but I am very interested in these Jack the rabbit diff gears that you mentioned.

Do I just go into any diff place and ask for the Jack the rabbit package? or is there another special code saying for this package?

If it was my package i'd call it the VE Traffic light GP warrior Jack the rabbit package, pretty catchy isnt it?

[Plenty]

If yo love the thread then read it, my next mod is diff gears.

Then your ve ss will be vulnerable. If the OP listens to me he might disembark you if your not careful, no point having 280rwkw at 7000rpm and its like a train off the line....chugga chugga, maybe you should diff gears to mask your bottom end

Is this "Adolescent" taking the piss and we're falling for it or what? :confused:
I'm not the most knowledgeable with cars but through my own cars and mods i roughly know the capabilities of each.

If for one second you think that your's or any one else's diff geared N/A bolt-on Omega would get near my car even if it was stock, you need your head read.

Now i hope you just know, no better....But if your Trolling stirring up crap then i hope the Mods ban your arse!

P.S. what "jack rabbit, ball tearing tarmac shredding" beast do you own cos i got a fully sick Turbo Diesel Hilux with mountains of torque down low that'll blow you away. :bsmeter:

[vxss5.7]

lol good thread to read haha... eva thought of just slamming thing to ground n big rims n save for v8?

[Bingo BIlly]

Ive got HSV diff gears now, but I am very interested in these Jack the rabbit diff gears that you mentioned.

Do I just go into any diff place and ask for the Jack the rabbit package? or is there another special code saying for this package?

If it was my package i'd call it the VE Traffic light GP warrior Jack the rabbit package, pretty catchy isnt it?


Good response, made me lol. Once i complete my car ill let you know what a jack the rabbit package is all about. You just wont pick these gp traffic lights warriors on a dyno. (example a fleet of omegas to hit our streets looking to disembark loud mouthed ve ss owners)

[HEKYEH]

Ah crap! Holden have been doing it all wrong!!!

They have built a V8, when they could have just used the V6 and put diff gears and an exhaust on it!

Hahaha....:goodjob:

[Roonstain]

Yeah, and to think I traded in my old omega V on my SSV wagon - what was I smoking that day? Should have just thrown in some diff gears!
I'm sure it would have been able to run a 118mph pass at over 2tonnes - remember there is "traffic lights" at the beginning of a drag strip.........

Maybe I should go back to the dealer and see if they still have my old car?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Plenty]

See now i know your just taking the piss, Happy Australia Day Bingo.....
:merry::booze: go have another drink and enjoy your day. I'm sure it'll be a good one in that fantasy land you live in!

P.S. The race with my Hilux is on anytime you like (at the strip of course) or will 400m exceed your diff gears' limit?

[Plenty]

Good response, made me lol. Once i complete my car ill let you know what a jack the rabbit package is all about. You just wont pick these gp traffic lights warriors on a dyno. (example a fleet of omegas to hit our streets looking to disembark loud mouthed ve ss owners)

We're not loud mouths mate just realists.

[planetdavo]

Billy's next jack the rabbit b!tching mod will be the "IAT mod".
Makes the car a fully s!ck traffic light demon for around $20 apparently. :lmao:
I'm starting to think that if I do diff gears on my 4 cyl front wheel drive company car then it will shame my V8 Monaro that has entirely appropriate diameters of headers, cats and exhaust, with a tune to suit. Why does my LS1 have a much improved bottom end when billy tells me it's supposed to fall into a torque hole??? :confused:
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk he's amusing!!!

[thekidscar]

:chuckapproves:

I got nothin, i just thought i better chime in..

James

[csv rulz]

Bingo billy, every time i line up my fiancee's nissan pulsar against an SS the pulsar looses. If i put diff gears in it will it to become a traffic lights warrior and beat the SS?
I cant believe i wasted the money on my SS when i could have just put diff gears in my old VT V6 and flogged any comers at the traffic lights!:rofl:

[planetdavo]

Can we give billy an Australia Day award for services to comedy?
Mods- can we have a poll?

[Bingo BIlly]

I dont mind a laugh with my comrads
But there is some serious issues to quench first.

Im not saying a ve omega with diff gears will be the all conquering beast.

Im saying it will be much more competitive with diff gears than any other mod at the traffic lights GP. Isnt this what the OP is asking?

And yes it will become competitive with a ssv from 0-80km/h. The diff gears will help down low but up top there will be no substitute for real grunt.

[planetdavo]

Many small things make one bigger thing billy.
Diff gears can help, but they will not make up for a lack of 2.4 litres of engine, 2 cylinders, 90 odd kW's, 200 odd Nm of torque, two gears, and around a 3 second deficit for 0-100km/h if you line up a VE V8 my friend.
If you go too low in the gearing you will spend all your time changing gears rather than accelerating, and you'll have a very tiring higher revving freeway cruise car.
Time for you to start grasping what approximately 300 forum members have been trying to tell you for the last week now. :yup:

[Plenty]

I dont mind a laugh with my comrads
But there is some serious issues to quench first.

Im not saying a ve omega with diff gears will be the all conquering beast.

Im saying it will be much more competitive with diff gears than any other mod at the traffic lights GP. Isnt this what the OP is asking?

And yes it will become competitive with a ssv from 0-80km/h. The diff gears will help down low but up top there will be no substitute for real grunt.

We all realise what you are saying mate, but diff gears are not going to help against a 6Ltr V8.
It will improve the launch feel of the car and make it slightly punchier of the line but dude to say it's gonna scare a 6Ltr V8 :confused:.
If your lucky you may be able to take on the SV6 Aurion or XR6....But not an SS. Sorry to disappoint.

[Wonky]

............If the OP listens to me he might disembark you if your not careful...............

Definition of disembark = To go ashore from a ship. :confused:

[SLugg]

and the definition of troll is ....?:1peek:

[Wonky]

and the definition of troll is ....?:1peek:

Starts with B and ends with ingo Billy? :confused: :lol:

[csv rulz]

Many small things make one bigger thing billy.
Diff gears can help, but they will not make up for a lack of 2.4 litres of engine, 2 cylinders, 90 odd kW's, 200 odd Nm of torque, two gears, and around a 3 second deficit for 0-100km/h if you line up a VE V8 my friend.
If you go too low in the gearing you will spend all your time changing gears rather than accelerating, and you'll have a very tiring higher revving freeway cruise car.
Time for you to start grasping what approximately 300 forum members have been trying to tell you for the last week now. :yup:

Well said davo, hopefully it finally sinks in.

[Bingo BIlly]

Im starting to get your point. Naturally there is an optimal diff gear ratio, maybe the omega is near that already??

In the old days diff gears and multiplication of torque were where the gains were.

[Dieselman]

Can we give billy an Australia Day award for services to comedy?
Mods- can we have a poll?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


Funny stuff indeed

[Holden Nut]

Naturally there is an optimal diff gear ratio, maybe the omega is near that already??
Yes...that is the result of the thousands/millions? of test kilometres and millions of dollars manufacturers spend on testing, ressearh and development.

[thekidscar]

another quick question,
i was offered a set of bnib SS rear brake calipers, will they bolt on to my car as is or would i need to upgrade the discs aswell??

thanks,

James

[185iboy]

Billy just do the 3.7's, full exhaust, that $150 manifold spacer and tune it.

You will get plenty enjoyment out of it! It will be a totally different car. It's one of those things you don't know until you do it...

[planetdavo]

another quick question,
i was offered a set of bnib SS rear brake calipers, will they bolt on to my car as is or would i need to upgrade the discs aswell??

thanks,

James

V8's run what is essentially a V6 caliper but with a different bracket to suit larger diameter rotors.
So, if you get V8 rotors, you will be able to fit them.

[thekidscar]

to slugg re pm- i cant reply due to post count???


what are you chasing for the brakes?

Im a bit strapped for the next few weeks,with the boys starting school etc, but if your not in too much of a hurry i might be interested.

James

( sorry to Mods, if this post shouldnt be here )

[thekidscar]

i recieved my G8 rear diffuser today and now can begin trying to install.

will pick up my mates std ss exhaust tomorrow, and then its a quick trip to holden for the extra bits i need to install.

i hope theres a noticable improvement( in sound at least) over the omega unit.

considering whether to paint the diffuser body-colour or silver ???
if silver i will match the front plastics (grille and fog light surrounds aswell.)
the car is verper Blue ( dark inky blue). any opinions??

James

[planetdavo]

Just make sure it will fit first without hardcore b@stardry before worrying about the painting stuff kidscar.

[thekidscar]

update, a bit of an unwanted mod...

tree branch from the storms ....shit........new boot time, wonder if a series 2 with the little boot spoiler will fitt, i asume it will???

gonna get them to fit my g8 rear diffuser while their at it..:)

gotta love comprehensive insurance:bow:

James

[NeishaVESS]

update, a bit of an unwanted mod...

tree branch from the storms ....shit........new boot time, wonder if a series 2 with the little boot spoiler will fitt, i asume it will???

gonna get them to fit my g8 rear diffuser while their at it..:)

gotta love comprehensive insurance:bow:

James

Gee thats some bad news isnt it, sorry to hear the storms took some toll on your pride and joy, hopefully it gets fixed back to new. and yes a series 2 boot will fit on no worries

Shaun