3 second skyline

[pah]

Hi Guys,

How fast in the 2011 Skyline? o - 100kmh in 3 seconds! Not too bad. Bet it feels quick.

http://yahoo.carsales.com.au/news/2010/sports/nissan/gtr/nissan-gtr-shatters-0100km-h-benchmark-22936

Nissan has put its 2011 GT-R through its paces at Japan's Sendai Highland Raceway scoring an impressive 3.046 seconds for the 0-100km/h sprint . . . Nissan's engineers say the time could have been even faster had the road temperature been higher than 13-degrees. "The GT-R will reach the world of two seconds!" promised GT-R's chief engineer, Kazutoshi Mizuno.

$170k is a tad too pricey for me. Let's see how well they hold their value as 2nd hand cars.



PAH

[Plenty]

Hi Guys,

How fast in the 2011 Skyline? o - 100kmh in 3 seconds! Not too bad. Bet it feels quick.

http://yahoo.carsales.com.au/news/2010/sports/nissan/gtr/nissan-gtr-shatters-0100km-h-benchmark-22936

Nissan has put its 2011 GT-R through its paces at Japan's Sendai Highland Raceway scoring an impressive 3.046 seconds for the 0-100km/h sprint . . . Nissan's engineers say the time could have been even faster had the road temperature been higher than 13-degrees. "The GT-R will reach the world of two seconds!" promised GT-R's chief engineer, Kazutoshi Mizuno.

$170k is a tad too pricey for me. Let's see how well they hold their value as 2nd hand cars.



PAH
they're a pretty awesome machine for the price which is bugger all for the performance, also they are no longer a Skyline they are a completely different car now.

I would love one but the maintenance cost are ridiculous on it.

[planetdavo]

I was REALLY worried that this might be a followup to the 5 second VY thread...:eek:
(I wonder if Nissan will actually warrant the things using the technique required to achieve this)

[tmob]

I was REALLY worried that this might be a followup to the 5 second VY thread...:eek:


:rofl: you and me both.....



(I wonder if Nissan will actually warrant the things using the technique required to achieve this)


Referring to having to select 'R-Mode'?
Interesting to see in 'A-Mode' it still only hit 3.1 seconds. You'd be hoping that your not gonna have any warranty issues as a result of selecting a particular driving mode.... potentially a very expensive 0.054 seconds....

[snapper5.7L]

A PDK Turbo S Porsche will do very similar numbers all day and won't break. That's where ya money goes :)

[Phizzle]

The Father of the Skyline died a few days ago.

RIP Shinichiro Sakurai



On Monday 17th January 2011, Dr Shinichiro SAKURAI - known as "Skyline no Chichi" ( 'Father Of The Skyline' ) in Japan - passed away aged 81 years. Cause of death was given as heart failure.

Dr SAKURAI joined what became the Prince Motor Co. ( itself formed from the ashes of the Nakajima and Tachikawa aircraft companies, through Fuji Sangyo and Fuji Precision Machine ) in 1952, and was the chief project manager on the ALSID-1 model, the first Skyline.

Dr SAKURAI was deeply involved with race related activities at Prince, especially in record breaking and sports car racing, and headed the team which gained notoriety for taking on - and hounding - a Porsche 904 GTS with a gaggle of hot-rodded S54 Skylines in the 1964 Japan GP. Even though the 'fox' got away that time, SAKURAI resolved to build cars that could take it on again, and win.

When Prince was forcibly merged with Nissan in 1966, SAKURAI's team at Murayama kept some degree of autonomy and continued with their race-related activities. The first truly new Skyline model to be launched after the merger with Nissan was the C10 'Hakosuka', with Dr SAKURAI and his team making sure that a special homologation model - the PGC10 'Skyline GT-R', its S20 twin cam engine derived from the DNA of the Prince GR8 race unit - was produced, and went racing. The 'Skyline GT-R' legend had been born.....

Working under Dr SAKURAI at that time were many of the people who would go on to work on the later generations of GT-R. One of these was a young Shurei ITOH, chassis designer on the C10 Skyline and later Project Chief on the R32 Skyline GT-R. Kozo WATANABE - Chief Designer on the R33 GT-R project - was another SAKURAI protege.

Dr SAKURAI went on to become head of Nissan's offshoot AUTECH, and was inducted into the Japanese Auto Industry Hall of Fame several years ago. He was always happy to give interviews, and appeared in many Japanese publications over the years. However he never overshadowed his team members, and was held in high regard by many who worked with him - especially his engineers and race drivers. He will be missed.

[pah]

I thought the GTR's had a reputation for being very strong.

Earlier models have been used to punch out 8 & 9 second quarters in Japan.

Is there evidence that the new model has problems? Anything AWD is unlikely to wheelspin so I gyess that loads up the transmission.


PAH

[Delft Maloo]

R35 with catback, tune and e85 = easy 10's:goodjob:

[planetdavo]

I thought the GTR's had a reputation for being very strong.

Earlier models have been used to punch out 8 & 9 second quarters in Japan.

Is there evidence that the new model has problems? Anything AWD is unlikely to wheelspin so I gyess that loads up the transmission.


PAH

There have been some issues with gearbox failures in the GTR, certainly the earlier versions of the current model anyway.
They are an awesome vehicle though, but as snapper said, (lots more) Porsche money does buy a certain sense of security.

[BNGTO]

A friend of mine, Japanese, bought one when they were released and the cost was 8 million yen (about 90-95 AUD at current rate). He torched the warranty and spent 200k on the chassis and transmission but holds the fuji speedway standard engine GTR lap record (1.52). He broke it recently and ordered a new one of these which he gets this week I think and the cost, standard, is 22 million yen (roughly 250k AUD), more than his R8 5.2. They pumped the price up a lot to fix the transmission issues but it is said to be much better than it was and you are now allowed to use the fast take off mode without voiding the warranty.

So 160k for tramission upgrade and 20 extra horsepower; but still reasonable for the performance.

[youngrushhour]

I thought the GTR's had a reputation for being very strong.

Earlier models have been used to punch out 8 & 9 second quarters in Japan.

Is there evidence that the new model has problems? Anything AWD is unlikely to wheelspin so I gyess that loads up the transmission.


PAH

They were breaking some parts when using launch control, I remember reading.

[Plenty]

A friend of mine, Japanese, bought one when they were released and the cost was 8 million yen (about 90-95 AUD at current rate). He torched the warranty and spent 200k on the chassis and transmission but holds the fuji speedway standard engine GTR lap record (1.52). He broke it recently and ordered a new one of these which he gets this week I think and the cost, standard, is 22 million yen (roughly 250k AUD), more than his R8 5.2. They pumped the price up a lot to fix the transmission issues but it is said to be much better than it was and you are now allowed to use the fast take off mode without voiding the warranty.

So 160k for tramission upgrade and 20 extra horsepower; but still reasonable for the performance.

:confused: REASONABLE performance??????

The thing is a rocket, right up there with cars three times and more the price of it! :bow:

[planetdavo]

:confused: REASONABLE performance??????

The thing is a rocket, right up there with cars three times and more the price of it! :bow:

Certainly a rocket, but I'll pose a question.
Does the GTR actually have any "class" like it's much higher priced euro "competitor", or is it really just another f'n fast car?
To me they are just a bit too playstation generation.

[Plenty]

Certainly a rocket, but I'll pose a question.
Does the GTR actually have any "class" like it's much higher priced euro "competitor", or is it really just another f'n fast car?
To me they are just a bit too playstation generation.

you nailed it on the head Davo "much higher priced", i would think if say a Porsche 911 Turbo S was the same price it wouldn't ooze the same quality and performance that it does.

I would take a premium powerhouse Euro any day over the GTR but for the price, geez it'd be hard to go past!

[planetdavo]

you nailed it on the head Davo "much higher priced", i would think if say a Porsche 911 Turbo S was the same price it wouldn't ooze the same quality and performance that it does.

I would take a premium powerhouse Euro any day over the GTR but for the price, geez it'd be hard to go past!

One thing that would be very interesting to know is just how much extra the Porsche name lets them make per car over (for example) the Nissan brand and the GTR.
Porsche also has considerable motor racing involvement, so part of the extra cost would have to factor this in.

[pah]

Certainly a rocket, but I'll pose a question.
Does the GTR actually have any "class" like it's much higher priced euro "competitor", or is it really just another f'n fast car?
To me they are just a bit too playstation generation.


Yes but that's the same thing BMW 335i drivers say to drivers of SS Commodores and XR Falcons.

There's no way I'd spend $170k on a car, much less the $300k for a Porsche that's as quick as a GTR. How much will a GTR be worth 3 years down the track? I know it's heaps quicker than a BMW 335i or an M3 but a BMW would do me if I had to spend north of $100k.




PAH

[planetdavo]

But the locals have bogan "class" pah...:jester:

[BNGTO]

One thing that would be very interesting to know is just how much extra the Porsche name lets them make per car over (for example) the Nissan brand and the GTR.
Porsche also has considerable motor racing involvement, so part of the extra cost would have to factor this in.

Just to put it in some perspective however as the v spec pricing outside japan isn't clear, the v spec, as my friend was charged as their not listed here, is more expensive than a 911 turbo in japan. Not thaaat cheap and he's changing the seats already as he still doesn't like them.

[Martin_D]

They pumped the price up a lot to fix the transmission issues.....So 160k for tramission upgrade

The current R35 box is identical to the 2008 model, so no money spent there :)
Its the Borg Warner part of the GTR transmission that tends to have the most issues....surprise! :eek:
Even then they are pretty robust :cool:

Also the MY11 GTR is only a few thousand more than previous models, not double, triple or anything like that :)

And to put it into perspective, our Porsche needs a complete gearbox overhaul and rebuild every 30 hours of use. No kidding :eek:
(At least thats what the owners manual says!)

[BNGTO]

The current R35 box is identical to the 2008 model, so no money spent there :)
Its the Borg Warner part of the GTR transmission that tends to have the most issues....surprise! :eek:
Even then they are pretty robust :cool:

Also the MY11 GTR is only a few thousand more than previous models, not double, triple or anything like that :)

And to put it into perspective, our Porsche needs a complete gearbox overhaul and rebuild every 30 hours of use. No kidding :eek:
(At least thats what the owners manual says!)

GT-R compared to the SpecV? This guy bought one at release, so was the 8.8 million and then he said he paid 20 million for the new V-Spec one: which is a massive difference for what didn't seem to be that much in the way of additional value however. It's that version that did the hot time as I understand it. Am not sure if the MY11 standard GT-R has changed.

He is allowed to use the fast takeoff mode, as he wasn't before: perhaps that cost is all going to warranty provision.

[Martin_D]

GT-R compared to the SpecV? This guy bought one at release, so was the 8.8 million and then he said he paid 20 million for the new V-Spec one: which is a massive difference for what didn't seem to be that much in the way of additional value however. It's that version that did the hot time as I understand it. Am not sure if the MY11 standard GT-R has changed. He is allowed to use the fast takeoff mode, as he wasn't before: perhaps that cost is all going to warranty provision.

Spec V hasnt been officially released in MY2011 at this stage afaik. However there would still be MY10 Spec V cars around in Japan and some of the Arab States. They have identical engine (save for a different turbocharger core) and transmission to the conventional off the street MY2008 - 2009 GTR. Most of the extra cost goes into the carbon brakes ($50K replacement from the dealer) and a timed overboost button on the dash. Its not great value.

All GTR since MY2009.5 have had warranty covered using their 'Launch Control 2' system providing the Vehicle Dynamic Control (Traction Control) is left on during the process.

The conventional GTR ran the Nurburgring times. Nissan have not been in a hurry to release Spec V times.

[zorro]

One thing that would be very interesting to know is just how much extra the Porsche name lets them make per car over (for example) the Nissan brand and the GTR.
Porsche also has considerable motor racing involvement, so part of the extra cost would have to factor this in.

I do recall Porsche being the most profitable car manufacturer worldwide at one point so they cant do too badly out of every model. Unfortunatly they lost vision and are trying too hard to make 'americanised' cars eg Cayenne, Panorama....

The Skyline is an amazing vehicle no doubt, and in std form is a monster vehicle. 3sec 0-62mph is old news, the mad pricks in the UK been doing it for years in Sierras. Rip the rear shocks out and sidestep the clutch in 2nd gear off the limiter :bow:

[BNGTO]

I've shot him an email to check it's an my11 but he was waiting for production so I would guess it was, that was three weeks back I last saw him. His current one is the current holder of the fastest production engine lap around fuji speedway, he's got it personally to 1.55 but had a professional driver take it round in 1.52 which is pretty hot with the standard engine. He did spend a lot on the chassis though. Amazing for a standard car; the super GTs get around in the 1.40s.

With Porsche it's boxter and cayenne that saved them (was nearly lost some years ago before Weideking came along) and allowed them to make the money. Their reign as most profitable car company was based upon a favorable stock market transaction a few years ago that ultimately ended in the demise of the management and change in ownership of the company.

Generally sports car makers have found it tough to make money consistently and need to branch out: hence Porsches consistent drive to gradually create a more BMW like product portfolio. I would tend to imagine GT-R is partly funded out of what would have normally be Nissans marketing funds; I just wish they'd expand the product portfolio to make the most of that image; its a very strange brand at the moment with the crazy split of cool products between Infinity and Nissan; the skylines and fugas could potentially do a lot of damage in the prestige segment if they got stuck into it.

[steve_t]

Under 3 seconds now - 2.88!! :goodjob:

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/16/2012-nissan-gt-r-first-drive-review-road-test/


Edit: Oh, that was their best time