HSV wheel replicas

[pelagonia_ss]

Why cant I find them anymore on ebay? There used to be a shitload..

[DCV1NU]

It depends on which hsv wheel your after, but there's usually heaps on ebay of the newer versions.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VE-20X8-COPY-PENTAGON-WHEELS-VE-GTS-SS-COMMODORE-BNT-/220728831562?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item336476ae4a

[jai]

I have a set of E3 GTS wheels available

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=142702

[exwrx]

maybe HSV are clamping down on them?

[pelagonia_ss]

Thanks mate but I'm looking for the mrs SV6 wagon shes actually been driving me mental to find her rims for a few months.

Looking for gunmetal e2/3 pentagon wheels or ve gts replicas.

I remember about a year ago there used to be HEAPS on ebay now they are all gone.

Maybe its become illegal now or something?

[jaykay]

I have been told Holden / HSV have clamped down on the replica wheels being sold, and hence they cannot be found...

[pelagonia_ss]

They still sell them in TTF though their prices are ridiculous.

[S2VYSS]

They still sell them in TTF though their prices are ridiculous.

Sounds like thats your only option because any tyre shop with brain's wont sell them

[jaykay]

Sounds like thats your only option because any tyre shop with brain's wont sell them
Are you saying TTF haven't any brains ???? :confused::rofl::rofl:

[jaykay]

They still sell them in TTF though their prices are ridiculous.
I just got brand new original Pentagons in staggered 20's with tyres for $4k with freight to Perth..how much they want for the replicas ?

[pelagonia_ss]

1500 last time I checked.. Late last year they had them for 1100

These wheels used to be all over ebay for about 1000 bucks, now they are gone. Interesting that the FPV copies are still available on ebay. Maybe HSV sued the chinese manufacturers.

[jaykay]

1500 last time I checked.. Late last year they had them for 1100

These wheels used to be all over ebay for about 1000 bucks, now they are gone. Interesting that the FPV copies are still available on ebay. Maybe HSV really did sue them.
staggered ? link ?

[S2VYSS]

Are you saying TTF haven't any brains ???? :confused::rofl::rofl:

Well if everyone else isnt selling them cause they have been warned not to, why would you continue to sell them?

:confused:

If TTF wish to sell them, good luck to them

[S2VYSS]

1500 last time I checked.. Late last year they had them for 1100

These wheels used to be all over ebay for about 1000 bucks, now they are gone. Interesting that the FPV copies are still available on ebay. Maybe HSV sued the chinese manufacturers.

For wheels only?

[pelagonia_ss]

Yeh wheels only

[vxss5.7]

yer u can get pentergon 20s with tyres for 1600 these days n cnt tell diffrence either

[planetdavo]

Have a look at wheel king's website for the carnage cheap knock off's can cause...:eek:
HSV have released E1 GTS rims as an SPZ "accessory" line, and they are much cheaper than the old single cost x 4.
Not saying they are as cheap as the sh!t ones, but you might want to look into it.

[vess330]

I have been told Holden / HSV have clamped down on the replica wheels being sold, and hence they cannot be found...

This is what I was told by a wheel retailer recently also.

[pelagonia_ss]

What happens if they catch you buying these replicas?

[fx160]

This is what I was told by a wheel retailer recently also.
i was told pretty much the same thing
"yes i can get them but we don't display them anymore because HSV is clamping down"



kev

[bonners]

When I got mine 18 months ago BJ's told me that BSA who was the manufacturer was sued but somehow they managed or were allowed to sell what they had. From what I understand, a wheel can be copied as long as it has a certain percentage (maybe 15%) difference from the original design. I'm quite happy to be told that is crap - it was just what I was told

[Toddler78]

Have a look at wheel king's website for the carnage cheap knock off's can cause...:eek:
HSV have released E1 GTS rims as an SPZ "accessory" line, and they are much cheaper than the old single cost x 4.
Not saying they are as cheap as the sh!t ones, but you might want to look into it.

what are we talking here davo $ wise?

[planetdavo]

what are we talking here davo $ wise?
Brain doesn't work so well on public holidays! :rofl:
I "think" it is under 2500 for a complete set with nuts and nut covers too. There is the option of either 8 inch width all round, or you can get staggered width 8 in frt, 9.5 in rear.
Obviously dearer, but at least you know what you are getting.

[bad88u]

wheel shops have them, you just have to go in and ask. they wont advertise them no more and even stop putting them on display. yes cause hsv is cracking down. i brought a set of e1 gts staggered (replicas) 5 months ago.

and to the peoples going on about that the replicas are poorly made, LOL. so far i have brought 4 sets from vy ss, vy sig and 2 sets of e1 gts, no trouble what so ever.

[planetdavo]

...and to the peoples going on about that the replicas are poorly made, LOL. so far i have brought 4 sets from vy ss, vy sig and 2 sets of e1 gts, no trouble what so ever.

Mate I wouldn't brag too much.
With so much evidence of huge numbers of wheel weights needed to balance, total inability to balance at all, cracks everywhere, or worst case, the centres ripping away from the rim, you might just have been a little bit lucky really...:yup:

[bad88u]

Mate I wouldn't brag too much.
With so much evidence of huge numbers of wheel weights needed to balance, total inability to balance at all, cracks everywhere, or worst case, the centres ripping away from the rim, you might just have been a little bit lucky really...:yup:

yes dave i would like to brag. this person that i brought them from has sold few shipping containers full of different types of hsv rims and has had no problems apart from a few that had paint finish defect. he even offers a lifetime warranty on all of them. if you look into a bit more you will be surprised who makes these rims, some pretty well branded names.

[planetdavo]

yes dave i would like to brag. this person that i brought them from has sold few shipping containers full of different types of hsv rims and has had no problems apart from a few that had paint finish defect. he even offers a lifetime warranty on all of them. if you look into a bit more you will be surprised who makes these rims, some pretty well branded names.

And with that bragging comment you have exposed the big problem with this sh!t.
They could come from anywhere. Your's "might" be ok, but others might be utter sh!te buddy. "Lifetime" warranties often mean very little when crap wheels are involved, as just about any claim is rejected by "pothole or gutter impact causing damage"!
At least when buying reputable brand names you have reasonable backup. Insurance companies don't tend to be quite so generous as you when wheel centres rip out...:teach:

[Arrow420]

I will agree a little, some after market wheels arent the best, im not saying all as Im no expert but some of the ones Ive encountered, I know of a fellow who bought a set of aftermarket HSV type, i dont know what they were a replica of but I think it may have been the Monaro, alloy 5 spoke with the black surrounds, anyway he went through 3-4 rims, buying a new one every few mths due to cracking, the dealler blamed it on him, but driving on country road, they werent the best, in the end he got the shits and threw them out and I ended up grabbing two for my trailer, just had them repaired and good enough for that.
Over the years Ive also had my fair share, bending and cracking, but city driving I think they would be fine, where Im from not so much.

Cheers Mark

[Evman]

Direct link (http://www.wheelking.com.au/Announcements/tabid/204/ctl/ViewItem/mid/662/ItemId/16/Default.aspx) to Wheel King's replica failure page. Sure most will get away without having any issues, but I wouldn't want to risk it either way.

[LSavvy]

Mate I wouldn't brag too much.
With so much evidence of huge numbers of wheel weights needed to balance, total inability to balance at all, cracks everywhere, or worst case, the centres ripping away from the rim, you might just have been a little bit lucky really...:yup:

On the Wheel King site and from the forum the original pics were taken it says "The image below is of a Holden dealer supplied copy VE GTS wheels."

Go to a few of the Suttons dealers around here and their replacing the factory wheels with DTM wheels and cheap Achilles tyres on new and used cars. Asked what the go is to one of the sales guys and he says "it's to spruk them up and give them the edge to get them out the door". He didn't like when i said so you take perfectly good wheels off with quality tyres and replace them with cheap tyres.

[planetdavo]

I don't represent all Holden dealers LS.
It's a common mistake people make on internet forums. They are all independently owned franchises. Dealers can (and have) lost their franchises for various reasons.

[LSavvy]

I know you don't represent all dealers and i know they are franchises....

But it seemed odd to me that they would not use a genuine parts in the wheel that failed.

Some people are blinded by the "bling" of a product rather than it's integrity and some businesses are blinded by bottom line rather than customers safety.

I bet not many would even notice what tyres are fitted to alot of the dealer fitted after market rims.

[planetdavo]

Genuine parts are often dear for a very good reason.
The manufacturer has to design and, most importantly, engineer it. This takes time and plenty of money.
Knock offs are cheap for a reason. They make a mould of the part and bang out copies of it. No expensive engineering involved, and since many only care about how something looks these days, they get away with it. The extent of "design" is usually a small mod to the centre cap area or one end of the spokes to try and bypass patents.
The thing that's really sh!t about it though is that these knock off sellers actually make far more money than the genuine product makes in it's travels. It's something you never hear about.

[LSavvy]

Genuine parts are often dear for a very good reason.
The manufacturer has to design and, most importantly, engineer it. This takes time and plenty of money.
Knock offs are cheap for a reason. They make a mould of the part and bang out copies of it. No expensive engineering involved, and since many only care about how something looks these days, they get away with it. The extent of "design" is usually a small mod to the centre cap area or one end of the spokes to try and bypass patents.
The thing that's really sh!t about it though is that these knock off sellers actually make far more money than the genuine product makes in it's travels. It's something you never hear about.

Agreed, but dealers should not be using them or cheaper lower rated tyres. Buyer beware!

[planetdavo]

Agreed, but dealers should not be using them or cheaper lower rated tyres. Buyer beware!

No-one should be. Unfortunately, they are competing against other used car sellers, and a business is called a business for a reason.

[LSavvy]

and a business is called a business for a reason.

Does that mean they shouldn't have morals or operate without ethics.

A well run business can be just as profitable doing the right thing by customers and maintaing customer confidence.

While i agree they are competing against other used car sellers, my Mrs was keen on a VE Calais V wagon, i was turned off by the "bling wheels and cheap tyres". quiet simply put i was turned off by the prospect at having to look for genuine wheels at my cost and the additional cost of a more quality tyres.

[planetdavo]

We all know the forum loves a good dose of dealer related "discussion", but remember we are talking used car salespeople here. They are often a breed. Dealer ones at least usually don't stoop quite as low as Honest Joes used cars, with his gold chains, straw hat and several buttons undone...
So, yes, dealerships still often have better condition cars overall.

[Evman]

Does that mean they shouldn't have morals or operate without ethics.

Absolutely not. However the same applies for any business, and I'm yet to see the reason for the focus on manufacturer dealerships.

[planetdavo]

...and I'm yet to see the reason for the focus on manufacturer dealerships.

It's proven to be a bit of a favourite direction LSavvy has taken over the years.

[S2VYSS]

With so much evidence of huge numbers of wheel weights needed to balance, total inability to balance at all, cracks everywhere, or worst case, the centres ripping away from the rim, you might just have been a little bit lucky really...:yup:

How many centres have you personally seen rippedd out?

I have seen plenty of cracks happen in genuine HSV wheels too, they are caused by roads, not the manufacturing

The amount of weight a wheel wants is not only determined by the wheel, it comes down to the tyre as well, were the tyre is positioned on the rim and the quality of the tyre

I have seen genuine HSV pentigons that are hard to balance and take a lot of weight due to alot of the weight being so close to the face of the wheel

For once, stop talking about stuff you really dont know about

:rolleyes:

[LSavvy]

We all know the forum loves a good dose of dealer related "discussion", but remember we are talking used car salespeople here. They are often a breed. Dealer ones at least usually don't stoop quite as low as Honest Joes used cars, with his gold chains, straw hat and several buttons undone...
So, yes, dealerships still often have better condition cars overall.

Not once did i post about dealers having better quality cars than non dealer used car sales or the sales guys being better at factory dealers than non factory used car yards.

However you did describe them well and I had a little chuckle.


Absolutely not. However the same applies for any business, and I'm yet to see the reason for the focus on manufacturer dealerships.


My post was not directed to dealers only, it was business in general.

Well the only reason dealership was mentioned was because the link to the Wheel King site pointed out that they were dealer supplied, you know the same guys (and Davo of course) that push genuine articles and frown upon the use of non-genuine parts for these very reasons in the link which i haven't got a problem with. Nothing more nothing less.



It's proven to be a bit of a favourite direction LSavvy has taken over the years.


So I and others have an opinion different to yours at times. Does that make us wrong and only you right because your dealer biased. I give credit where credit is due.

My point into some dealer wheel packages was the fact that they are removing wheels and tyres on not only used but new cars aswell and fit cheap tyres. So you pay the same price for a car with sexy wheels with cheap tyres, while they flog or trade the genuine wheels with quality tyres for additional profit.

[ebbett21]

Way off topic but gotta say it.... holden dealers are roques, total rip off merchants, and cant think past service manual books. Hope this helps:)

[jai]

My point into some dealer wheel packages was the fact that they are removing wheels and tyres on not only used but new cars aswell and fit cheap tyres. So you pay the same price for a car with sexy wheels with cheap tyres, while they flog or trade the genuine wheels with quality tyres for additional profit.

I voluntarily got stung doing this last year. Gave up 1500km old SSV wheels with awesome bridgees and got china E3 GTS wheels with Tri Ace tyres... and paid $2200 for the privilege.

Couldnt buy genuine, wanted those wheels... so what do ya do?

Yes, dealer supplied E3 GTS knock offs.... giddy up!

Tri Ace tyres are NOT good on the rear of my SS in the wet... but surprisingly awesome grip up front in the dry... weird!

[planetdavo]

I have a feeling quite a few on here might feel I have a bit of an idea of what I'm talking about S2VYSS.
As many are aware, my 20 plus years of experience have been on both sides of the industry, giving me considerable exposure to just about anything and everything that goes on out there.
It appears that the ones that don't grasp the whole concept thinly hang onto some mistaken believe that my "experience" only comes from looking up EPC4 in an air conditioned parts department.
I believe it might be a good time to suggest that their ignorance is clouding their judgement. :yup:

[S2VYSS]

I have a feeling quite a few on here might feel I have a bit of an idea of what I'm talking about S2VYSS.
As many are aware, my 20 plus years of experience have been on both sides of the industry, giving me considerable exposure to just about anything and everything that goes on out there.
It appears that the ones that don't grasp the whole concept thinly hang onto some mistaken believe that my "experience" only comes from looking up EPC4 in an air conditioned parts department.
I believe it might be a good time to suggest that their ignorance is clouding their judgement. :yup:

Have you recently balanced/sold/ or had any problems with these wheels? I have, I know what I am talking about it is my job.

You enjoy coming across as a know it all and making people few like morons. We all get that you love Holden and it is your life and you pretty much know everything that there is know to about Holden. Well done, on this forum you are someone

:rolleyes:

[LSavvy]

I have a feeling quite a few on here might feel I have a bit of an idea of what I'm talking about S2VYSS.
As many are aware, my 20 plus years of experience have been on both sides of the industry, giving me considerable exposure to just about anything and everything that goes on out there.
It appears that the ones that don't grasp the whole concept thinly hang onto some mistaken believe that my "experience" only comes from looking up EPC4 in an air conditioned parts department.
I believe it might be a good time to suggest that their ignorance is clouding their judgement. :yup:


Davo, really for someone that bangs half the time about being off topic this tops it, you should be posting in the "I love myself section". Perhaps you should start a thread on your 20+ yrs experience so we can all see how much of an automotive expert you claim your are.

I will say it again from a wise person who told me "self praise is no recommendation"

Do your best to get another thread locked while you try too look like the one that has been victimised.

while you may post valubale info at times it seems like you go out of your way to discredit yourself at times:confused:

[BLACK 346]

Davo, really for someone that bangs half the time about being off topic this tops it, you should be posting in the "I love myself section". Perhaps you should start a thread on your 20+ yrs experience so we can all see how much of an automotive expert you claim your are.

I will say it again from a wise person who told me "self praise is no recommendation"

Do your best to get another thread locked while you try too look like the one that has been victimised.

while you may post valubale info at times it seems like you go out of your way to discredit yourself at times:confused:

I actually took the time to report this self gratifying person to one of the mods a couple of months ago. The reply I recieved summed up what I thought, even to the extent that they were looking at banning him for his abusive behaviour towards others members.

[planetdavo]

Have you recently balanced/sold/ or had any problems with these wheels? I have, I know what I am talking about it is my job.


I judge my worth and level of expertise on here by the number of PM's asking me for help away from all the sh!t, rather than the opinions of self interests. I deleted the best part of 100 PM's yesterday, by the way...
:)

[planetdavo]

I actually took the time to report this self gratifying person to one of the mods a couple of months ago. The reply I recieved summed up what I thought, even to the extent that they were looking at banning him for his abusive behaviour towards others members.

Oh how the internet tries it's best to crush people's spirit via anonymity...:bawl:
People can either live life with the fairies, or they can know what it's really like sometimes.
I guess I just spend too much time actually helping people on here. :yup:

[S2VYSS]

I judge my worth and level of expertise on here by the number of PM's asking me for help away from all the sh!t, rather than the opinions of self interests. I deleted the best part of 100 PM's yesterday, by the way...
:)

Good for you, your popular

:goodjob:

But I fail to see how this answers my question about wheels. I'm sorry but telling me about how many pm's you get a day doesnt tell me how you know about wheels

:confused:

Answer this question, do you sell, fit or work directly with wheels and tyres?

[planetdavo]

Good for you, your popular

:goodjob:

But I fail to see how this answers my question about wheels. I'm sorry but telling me about how many pm's you get a day doesnt tell me how you know about wheels

:confused:

Answer this question, do you sell, fit or work directly with wheels and tyres?

I'm not even remotely popular with the boys club on here, but I do help just about everyone that asks for help on here (bar my ankle biters). I might be mistaken, but I did think helping people was far more important than being popular with an element of the place. :confused:
Check out wheel king's site for more info on sh!t rims. I realise they are a competitor, so you probably don't like them.
Have I seen severely damaged sh!t rims personally? Yes.
Do I have to get filthy dirty removing a tyre to know what a severely damaged rim centre looks like? No.
PS: Many tyre shops don't exactly have a great reputation, even for basic wheel alignments! Check out the thread in general non powertrain for just one example. :yup:

[BLACK 346]

Oh how the internet tries it's best to crush people's spirit via anonymity...:bawl:
People can either live life with the fairies, or they can know what it's really like sometimes.
I guess I just spend too much time actually helping people on here. :yup:

You spend a lot of time telling how much you help people, you obviously need to be told how usefull you are. A lot of insecurity in your life would be my guess.

Work on your people skills mate, but then you wouldn't get into any arguments on here would you lol.

I don't know you from a bar of soap, but If I had to guess, I would say grumpy old single man, that has had a rough trot in life. If I am right, I am sorry mate and will back off :)

[planetdavo]

Sorry Black, but you are sounding like someone that has far more of a problem with me than I have with you.
Be happy.

[BLACK 346]

100 PM's deleted yesterday

Davo, is this for real, surely not? How many does the inbox hold?

Just checked, mine has 64 of a possible 80. You must have god rights.

[BLACK 346]

Sorry Black, but you are sounding like someone that has far more of a problem with me than I have with you.
Be happy.

No worries, will work on the happiness thing lol

[planetdavo]

It had 92 yesterday Black, including some outbox replies.
Enough nit picking hey.

[BLACK 346]

It had 92 yesterday Black, including some outbox replies.
Enough nit picking hey.

Fair enough, no more PM jokes :)

[S2VYSS]

I'm not even remotely popular with the boys club on here, but I do help just about everyone that asks for help on here (bar my ankle biters). I might be mistaken, but I did think helping people was far more important than being popular with an element of the place. :confused:
Check out wheel king's site for more info on sh!t rims. I realise they are a competitor, so you probably don't like them.
Have I seen severely damaged sh!t rims personally? Yes.
Do I have to get filthy dirty removing a tyre to know what a severely damaged rim centre looks like? No.
PS: Many tyre shops don't exactly have a great reputation, even for basic wheel alignments! Check out the thread in general non powertrain for just one example. :yup:

I have spoken to someone who has 20 years experience in the wheel and tyre industry, they said they have seen many genuine HSV wheels cracked, not just cheap ones.

So what you are saying is you have no experience, you have "only" seen damaged wheels. News flash, all wheels will get damaged, no matter whether the are cheap copies or Ferrari wheels when they hit a bump or pothole hard enough

Anyone can see a severly damaged rim, thats simple, you dont have to be a tyre fitter, however to comment on wheels based on no industry experience is miss leading.

I have no problems with Wheel King and have dealt with them in past without a problem, so dont not suggest I dont like them, you dont know me

Well I can tell you, the business I work for has an excellent reputation, if anyone has a problem with our alignments, will we happily fix them. You are more then welcome to ask about our customer service and reputation.

Yet again you fail to answer the question, you just have given a smart arse answer.

[planetdavo]

You just be happy with that VY. I've been talking about ripped out centres, not cracks in rims from super low profile tyres. Pretty much everyone knows about them and their causes. Please read back a bit.
I'm happy with what I have learnt in my life. You don't have to be.

[LSavvy]

I judge my worth and level of expertise on here by the number of PM's asking me for help away from all the sh!t, rather than the opinions of self interests. I deleted the best part of 100 PM's yesterday, by the way...
:)

:rofl::jerk: Again you judge your own worth and use your favorite word "expertise", only missing "baiting", "20+yrs industry experience", "both sides of the Industry", "do a search it has been covered before" etc etc etc. You sound like a damn broken record!

So you deleted 100 PM's from who knows how long they were stored, really who cares.

Davo this thread is about wheels not how good you are, have you got any steam left to blow?

If i got it right your going to start talking about your company supplied car and fuel card lol. You couldn't help but make mention you work in an air conditined environment as if that makes you more important.

[planetdavo]

They're coming from everywhere. Anyone got a snorkel? :lmao:

[LSavvy]

They're coming from everywhere. Anyone got a snorkel? :lmao:

Perhaps you should have asked all your PM mates to come on here and back you up.

After all you do make it sound like you have 100's of fans.

[planetdavo]

Ahhh, my old mate savvy. Never tires of it...:eek:
Forums are funny old places sometimes.
If you don't tell people your experience then you know nothing about what you're talking about.
If you do tell people your experience then you are ego driven.
Why is it usually the same people saying both? :confused:

[S2VYSS]

With so much evidence of huge numbers of wheel weights needed to balance, total inability to balance at all, cracks everywhere, or worst case, the centres ripping away from the rim, you might just have been a little bit lucky really...:yup:

I believe I do see the word cracks in the above quote from you


You just be happy with that VY. I've been talking about ripped out centres, not cracks in rims from super low profile tyres. Pretty much everyone knows about them and their causes. Please read back a bit.
I'm happy with what I have learnt in my life. You don't have to be.

Whats wrong with my VY? I dont see what my VY has to do with the topic of discussion. Abit like someones family, do not involve their car in a discussion as an insult

Has anyone on this forum had the centre of a cheap wheel ripped out on them?

Congrats, you have sent another thread that is not to do with Holden down the toilet

:flipoff:

[planetdavo]

VY was just shortening your username, rather than making any form of comment about your ride. Touchy fella tonight.
Yes I mentioned cracks, but I mentioned cracks everywhere, not just a crack, like good wheels usually do if they slam a pothole on super low profile tyres.
We're not going to agree fella. Let's just move on.

[LSavvy]

I made the mistake to assume Davo was some type of spare parts manager until i saw this response from another thread member correcting me.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1744755&postcount=230

[VYSHSV8]

They're coming from everywhere. Anyone got a snorkel? :lmao:

Yep your gonna need 2 shortly:) 1 for you and 1 for your ego:):)

Yes PD you do post some great stuff but then you undo good work with absolute crap that you know nothing about:(:(

Sorry it had to be said

[S2VYSS]

VY was just shortening your username, rather than making any form of comment about your ride. Touchy fella tonight.
Yes I mentioned cracks, but I mentioned cracks everywhere, not just a crack, like good wheels usually do if they slam a pothole on super low profile tyres.
We're not going to agree fella. Let's just move on.

Why would I agree with you, when your wrong? You are speaking about stuff you dont know about. Again, cracks happen to all wheels, regardless of profile height

Again you are talking about something you dont know about. Save yourself further embarrassment and stop commenting, you are not in the wheel and tyre industry

[planetdavo]

Amusing sav, but you are actually quite wrong. :teach:
That person had the sh!ts up with me because I wasn't prepared to put my reputation on the line by telling an obviously hardcore potential car buyer whether the car he was looking at was categorically 100% or not.
So, he slagged me off because his nose was put out of joint. Suppose he felt better, but I know what my role is.
You seem to be taking things mighty personally savvy, to the point you just stooped to. Seems just a bit odd from someone I don't even know...

[S2VYSS]

I made the mistake to assume Davo was some type of spare parts manager until i saw this response from another thread member correcting me.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1744755&postcount=230

I'd say that pretty much puts everything in question

:rolleyes:

[LSavvy]

Amusing sav, but you are actually quite wrong. :teach:
That person had the sh!ts up with me because I wasn't prepared to put my reputation on the line by telling an obviously hardcore potential car buyer whether the car he was looking at was categorically 100% or not.
So, he slagged me off because his nose was put out of joint. Suppose he felt better, but I know what my role is.
You seem to be taking things mighty personally savvy, to the point you just stooped to. Seems just a bit odd from someone I don't even know...

Oh so i am the one that "stoops low", you go out of your way to discredit others and name call but when it's directed to you "their all picking on me":bawl:

So for someone that proclaims to help people and have significant "industry experience" you didn't help him. Your a nice guy.

Not personal but i do love a good laugh, remember this one,

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1423800&postcount=107

Yet again you were blowing your own steam and got smoked.

[planetdavo]

He just wanted to use me, wanted me to do a thorough car inspection, have a bit of a word on his behalf. I reckon signing a stat dec about the car was coming up next!
So I just said a couple of things to deflect the efforts away, and he got the sh!ts up bad. Didn't know him in even passing terms til he turned up wanting to be my new best mate. Think most people reading this thread have met people like that.
Life, as they say, goes on. I know what my job is. :yup:
Now, where's that snorkel? I think K Mart is open all night nearby...:lmao:

[LSavvy]

Your gonna have to get SCUBA gear i would think, you have sunk way down snorkels will not help you.

But then again you are full of so much hot air i'm sure you will be right for an hour or two.

[Souljah]

I'll try to get this thread back on track.
A few years back i brought some VX GTS copies from a lad on ebay. (I didn't want copies and he said they were genuine but thats another story. :VPO: )

Since fitting them i've had a mild vibration in the car. Getting new tyres and the wheels rebalanced would only solve the issue for a few weeks then the vibration would be back.
I took a trip up to a friends machine shop and put them in the lathe and measure any runout to see if this was causing my vibration.
Low and behold 1 rim had .41mm of runout on the mounting face while the other had .29mm. He then measured from the back of the rim to the mounting face and discovered one wheel had .6 of a millimeter more material on it than the other.
He machined just under 2mm of one wheel and 1.6mm of the other so now both wheels have the same offset and now don't scrub/kiss the already rolled lip of the guards.

Before there would need to be atleast 70-80 grams per wheel but now after they have been machined there is 30 grams on one and 25 on the other and the car feels totally different! Might be an avenue to check if your getting bad vibrations with your wheels as tolerences don't seem to be as tight as one would think.
The machinist in question also had to do the same to a set of hyper expensive billet wheels from Show Wheels as they had a similar amount of runout in them.

Cheers,

[DukeZ]

bahahaha planetdavo strikes agiain...i dont even know what this thread was about

[fx160]

bahahaha planetdavo strikes agiain...i dont even know what this thread was about
yes i just wasted some time reading about how good he is once again
thought i would be reading about tires
at least there was one helpfull post

kev

[planetdavo]

It's certainly been amusing reading a tiny minority of the forum's opinion of me, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a sh!t!
Fact is I posted up info about sh!t replica rims, and this tiny element of the forum chose to go for the man rather than the ball. Guess it floats their boat somehow. :confused:

[S2VYSS]

It's certainly been amusing reading a tiny minority of the forum's opinion of me, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a sh!t!
Fact is I posted up info about sh!t replica rims, and this tiny element of the forum chose to go for the man rather than the ball. Guess it floats their boat somehow. :confused:

You didnt post up first hand info, you just passed second info with nothing to back it up. All you wanted to do is talk about how many people ask you for help

I asked you where you got your info from, was it from your experience with the wheel and tyre industry, to which you couldnt provide a clear answer on(which means no experience).

Stop with the poor me and everyone doesnt like me story, no body gives a f**k

:rolleyes:

[BLACK 346]

You didnt post up first hand info, you just passed second info with nothing to back it up. All you wanted to do is talk about how many people ask you for help

I asked you where you got your info from, was it from your experience with the wheel and tyre industry, to which you couldnt provide a clear answer on(which means no experience).

Stop with the poor me and everyone doesnt like me story, no body gives a f**k

:rolleyes:

Ignore him, he thrives on this shit :)

[planetdavo]

You didnt post up first hand info, you just passed second info with nothing to back it up. All you wanted to do is talk about how many people ask you for help

I asked you where you got your info from, was it from your experience with the wheel and tyre industry, to which you couldnt provide a clear answer on(which means no experience).

Stop with the poor me and everyone doesnt like me story, no body gives a f**k

:rolleyes:

I just have to ask why you supposedly respect Frank from Wheel King when his site explains this...http://wheelking.com.au/Announcements/tabid/204/ctl/ViewCategory/mid/662/Category/0/Default.aspx

I say the same thing as this person you "supposedly" respect, and I'm full of sh!t. :confused:
You, my friend, have a personal agenda at work. :teach:

[DukeZ]

bahahaha this thread is dying yet another planetdavo death.....seriously mods pull this thread into line its not offering ANY constructive advice

[VYSHSV8]

It's quite funny those pics both the so called non genuine senator rims have had a decent hit and the second last pic how could anyone say how it broke unless you were there ie could have impacted anything previously..

Not saying it doesnt happen but I am sure there would have been genuine rims that have failed to :):)

[planetdavo]

It's quite funny those pics both the so called non genuine senator rims have had a decent hit and the second last pic how could anyone say how it broke unless you were there ie could have impacted anything previously..

Not saying it doesnt happen but I am sure there would have been genuine rims that have failed to :):)

So you are offering "opinion based" answers like you accused me of??? :confused:
Frank is one of the most honest blokes in this industry. Top bloke to have a chat over a beer with...:yup:

[VYSHSV8]

So you are offering "opinion based" answers like you accused me of??? :confused:
Frank is one of the most honest blokes in this industry. Top bloke to have a chat over a beer with...:yup:
Yep trying to catch up on you :lol: but I will never get there.

Now honestly those pics dont say much at all they are pics there is no associated roads etc etc...they are what someone is saying end of story.....


I have had both genuine and non genuine and non have ever failed and i would probably upto about 20 after market sets over 8 yrs, I have had the car airborn at track days etc etc to come down and finish the lap and then jump out expecting to see damaged rims but there were non:):)


Just like genuine you get failures no matter what end of story it onlt takes a slid or mount a kerb the wrong way not even at speed and they can collapse:)

[LSavvy]

It's certainly been amusing reading a tiny minority of the forum's opinion of me, but at the end of the day, I really don't give a sh!t!
Fact is I posted up info about sh!t replica rims, and this tiny element of the forum chose to go for the man rather than the ball. Guess it floats their boat somehow. :confused:

Why keep coming back and pouring more fuel on the fire then?

It aint a tiny minority, if it was so tiny and your fan base is so huge, why aren't we hearing from your fans. Are you like the wacky uncle no one likes to admit is theirs but can't change the fact their related as blood is thicker than water.

Pity this Frank character doesn't feel the same about the genuine parts sales people as he doesn't hide the fact they were dealer supplied copied wheels.

Did you manage to get the two snorkels from K Mart last night?

[LSavvy]

Genuine parts are often dear for a very good reason.
The manufacturer has to design and, most importantly, engineer it. This takes time and plenty of money.
Knock offs are cheap for a reason. They make a mould of the part and bang out copies of it. No expensive engineering involved, and since many only care about how something looks these days, they get away with it. The extent of "design" is usually a small mod to the centre cap area or one end of the spokes to try and bypass patents.
The thing that's really sh!t about it though is that these knock off sellers actually make far more money than the genuine product makes in it's travels. It's something you never hear about.

So I was waiting at my local tyre shop today and low and behold I see a box containing a "Genuine" VE Calais V rim.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h221/ssute57l/VECalaisVwheel.jpg

Now I am really confused!:confused:

Do the guys making the copies borrow the original mould or copy it?

Are these made in the same factory that makes the chinese copy's?

Do Holden offer warranty on these wheels because they are made in a different china in Vic or SA?

Fark, I thought Holden were getting them made in Thailand previously on the cheap, are they even cheaper again to be made in China now?

Why buy chinese copys when you can get the original GM chinese wheels?

When wheel king says don't buy chinese copys, did they mean these ones?

Any help Davo would be much appreciated.

[jai]

Wheelking also sell "china" advanti brand HSV Pentagon clones...

Davo, their shit dont smell of roses!

Proven by the fact they still sell the cheapest tyres on the market with them EVEN though they state theyre not load rated for the intended market. Id put money on china rims outlasting thai rubber!

[planetdavo]

Thankfully no one's "sh!t" smells on forums right...:rolleyes:
I've said my bit. You guys can pontificate to your hearts content for the next month if you want.

[exwrx]

That's gold lsavvy :goodjob:

To be fair, we all know that the VE has a significant proportion of components sourced from China. Cost is obviously the driving factor here, but provided Holden have adequate processes in place to ensure quality is up to scratch I dont see a huge issue. The same applies to reputable aftermarket wheels made in China/Thailand/South Africa etc. I wouldnt touch the no name stuff with a barge pole.

Still funny :rofl:

[cashie]

Yep, I don't think the fact something is made in China alone is the issue, it always comes down to quality control etc... Even China can produce a good quality product...

[LSavvy]

Yes i agree that China is the new Japan and India is the new China when it comes to quality!

[pelagonia_ss]

I have for sale a set of the e2 gunmetal 20 inch copy pentagons, got them for my mrs sv6 wagon but she doesn't want them now.. Theyre new too

Any takers? pm me

[SirNemesis]

Did this thread just become the classified forum? Oh good, I was wondering where it was heading...

[Brandonsdad]

Well, its not getting used for anything else so might as well.:)

[pelagonia_ss]

Mods deleted my classified thread for the wheels, even though the boxes have been opened and I bought them to put on my partners car and not to re sell.

[Arrow420]

This is funny shit, In my opinion all wheels will crack/bend whatever genuine or not, my mate with the replica hsv rims was driving on country dirt roads and was a big reason why he was cracking rims, I reckon the same would more then likely happen if they were genuine, alot of big potholes in dirt roads.
I dont mind after market and Ive probably had more of them on my cars then genuine, some good some bad, depends on road conditions and maybe the profile, Im no expert on the subject but Im in no way turned of aftermarket, in all honesty id rather a very nice set of after market then the genuine wheels anyway.

Sorry if Ive also gone of subject

[pelagonia_ss]

This is funny shit, In my opinion all wheels will crack/bend whatever genuine or not, my mate with the replica hsv rims was driving on country dirt roads and was a big reason why he was cracking rims, I reckon the same would more then likely happen if they were genuine, alot of big potholes in dirt roads.
I dont mind after market and Ive probably had more of them on my cars then genuine, some good some bad, depends on road conditions and maybe the profile, Im no expert on the subject but Im in no way turned of aftermarket, in all honesty id rather a very nice set of after market then the genuine wheels anyway.

Aftermarket and genuine wheels are both made in a factory in china.

[macca33]

Mods deleted my classified thread for the wheels, even though the boxes have been opened and I bought them to put on my partners car and not to re sell.
So, rather than comply with forum rules, you decided to try some other weirdo stunt.

One week for you my friend.

Adios.


As for the other rubbish in this thread, fairdinkum, you blokes need to grow up.

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