new and need help

[xforddriver]

gday people, new to the forum. at the moment driving a 2007 xr6turbo, 392rwks. it's for sale now as im upgrading to either a vz 6.0 or ve6.0. reason for upgrading is i have come to my senses, i just can't keep spending more money to stay reliable. my brother has a vz hsv monaro. great car but stock, been looking at a few cars worked and stock. if buying a worked one is there anything to look for, or should i buy stock and start fresh. and should i move up to a ve or is a vz just as good. im in melbourne what shops would people reccomend to get work done by. thanks.

[v8dude78]

Welcome to the forums :goodjob:

I would buy stock and do it your own way and you'll know its be done right.
VE or VZ would be a personal choice the 6.0 ltr VZ's seem to be round the same price as an early VE anyway.

Have a look in the sponsor section lots of good workshops round Melbourne http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=40

Also APS (in frankston) have a special going at the moment http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=145525

And remember the search button is your friend there is hours of reading there :)

[hRTHSV]

VZ or VE pick the one you like the look of best.

Worked or stock depends on the owner and how well it's been serviced and looked after. Depends on the individual car and it's owner I think.

[whitels1ss]

at the moment driving a 2007 xr6turbo, 392rwks.

Gee that sounds like a weapon, what is done to it? :)

[Ken]

If you can afford it, I suggest VE - there are more new developments being done based on the VE than pre-VE.
If wanting to be more frugal, go VZ as there are already many existing upgrade products ... but they probaly not quite as advanced and will possibly not have as much ongoing development.
:1peek:

[xforddriver]

whitels1ss, atomic 698kw short motor, process west stage 3 cooler,process west plenum,process west surge tank,injectors,cai,ces exhaust,35/40 ported wastegate turbo,18psi,xcal3 tuned by pitlane performance in frankston, around the corner from aps.

[BA_XR6_TURBO]

What are you having to spend money on to keep it reliable? It would cost a lot to start fresh with another car too...unless you just really want another car.

[peter b]

Personal experience when pushing that much power out of the fords numerous problems do arise and weak points in the design of the car show up. If it is a 4 speed auto then can build the box as much as you want and spend a bomb to have it still be a weak point. Ford XR6 turbo whilst seems like it makes easy power it really isn't reliable power where can back it up without failure.

[whitels1ss]

whitels1ss, atomic 698kw short motor, process west stage 3 cooler,process west plenum,process west surge tank,injectors,cai,ces exhaust,35/40 ported wastegate turbo,18psi,xcal3 tuned by pitlane performance in frankston, around the corner from aps.


No wonder it has so much power.:)
Think it is a wonder it holds together, I thought the bottom ends were not that strong.:confused:

[vxssblown]

The bottom ends of the ford can't be to bad a few people i know have Xr6's pushing near 400rwkw with no problems day in day out.

[BA_XR6_TURBO]

The stock bottom ends in BAs were only good for 330rwkw approx (which is where I stopped), BF 370rwkw approx, FG F6 over 400rwkw with most people just needing to change valve springs and sometimes oil pump gears. That Atomic bottom end he has is good for 698kw as it as advertised as. Atomic also do a 998kw bottom end with 12 month warranty.

I would have thought given he has spent so much on the XR6 that to sell it and start from scratch to get similar power from a NA V8 is going to have to be blown a1nd going to cost what, say up to $15k with a stock bottom end. Would be better if he could find one that is already done or at least part done. Not everyone is a backyard hack when it come to modifying.

[zorro]

The stock bottom ends in BAs were only good for 330rwkw approx (which is where I stopped), BF 370rwkw approx, FG F6 over 400rwkw with most people just needing to change valve springs and sometimes oil pump gears. That Atomic bottom end he has is good for 698kw as it as advertised as. Atomic also do a 998kw bottom end with 12 month warranty.


I know of BA, BF & FGs that have made a mess of the bottom end, the FG surprisingly was around 350rwkw and 20thou on the motor.

I got told by a ford nut the BF onwards used the same block as the LPG dedicated motors, any truth in that?

[iloveholden]

I could have bought a VZ a while back but decided to save some more and get a VE!

Im soo glad i did! Love it, it drives a world better than mums VZ :)

[BA_XR6_TURBO]

I got told by a ford nut the BF onwards used the same block as the LPG dedicated motors, any truth in that?

Sometimes you are just unlucky. The blocks on all i6es are identical it is the rods and pistons that differ between turbo and NA motors. I have been running close to 330rwkw for 4 years with no issues other than having to change valve springs and that includes track days, powercruise etc. Diff mount bolt broke a couple of times but that is sorted now by fitting a poly bush and stronger bolt. Other than that the car has been very reliable considering it has a massive amount of mid range torque, fat tyres and heaps of traction. BAs use the same conrods as any other Falcon, BF from 06/06 on use the LPG rods which are stronger hence the higher max rwkw you can run. Typhoons use the LPG rods as well. The FG F6 uses a forged bottom end so people are getting well over 400rwkw from a stock motor. That is a great engine from the factory to modify. Ford won't sell you one unless you have a FPV VIN. Pistons across BA to BF FPV are all the same on turbos.

If the OP wants to get a Commodore it would make sense to go the VE.

[zorro]

that does make sense then. I agree it does seem to be luck of the draw with the blocks, much the same about the 4spds aswell.

Mate of mine ran around for 2 years as a daily BA mk2 with 306rwkw on the 4spd no worries, was undertuned to allow for std springs which started valve float at 316rwkw so luck of the draw with reasonable factory springs.

BA/BF all have diffmount issues, aswell as warping brake rotors on a regular basis.

Holden wise depends what you are after, the VZ being the last model of the old chassis is a good car, lighter and a lot of clean ones around. The VE heavy but has newer gear and L98. Personal opinion really henze why I went the Z senator