what did you pay to have jtg lpg installed

[sikhabib]

ive been been to serveral jtg approved work shops around sydney lately getting quotes to have liquid injection installed on my ute, as im running turbos i need to get twin pumps and 16 injectors which is going to cost between $8000 - $9000

another option is to have have twin pumps and just 8 injectors but it will need to switch back to petrol under boost. With me figuring out the switching back to petrol at wot myself it going to cost $6000 - $7000

as the car's registered under my company i wont be getting the rebate so its a big outlay to get it setup but i still think its worth it for me as i do alot of driving and have no plans to sell the car.

before i commit to anything id like to know:
what you guys paid to have this system installed?
how many injectors/pumps did you need?
what kind of tank did you get?
are you happy with the system and would you do it again?

thanks
ronny

[ratter]

Conversion cost vary depending on car type .i.e sedan ute and tank choice used.
Cost is somewhere $4900-$5500 for a stock kit, the extra fuel pump adds $1000, I imagine the extra injectors, fuel rails etc would add more than that again and then it has to made to work

[private9]

Wow, that's alot of coin but sounds reasonably in the ball park for what you want.

Have you done the sums for the costs vs savings?

[Ghia351]

ive been been to serveral jtg approved work shops around sydney lately getting quotes to have liquid injection installed on my ute, as im running turbos i need to get twin pumps and 16 injectors which is going to cost between $8000 - $9000

another option is to have have twin pumps and just 8 injectors but it will need to switch back to petrol under boost. With me figuring out the switching back to petrol at wot myself it going to cost $6000 - $7000

as the car's registered under my company i wont be getting the rebate so its a big outlay to get it setup but i still think its worth it for me as i do alot of driving and have no plans to sell the car.

before i commit to anything id like to know:
what you guys paid to have this system installed?
how many injectors/pumps did you need?
what kind of tank did you get?
are you happy with the system and would you do it again?

thanks
ronnyHow many kays do you actually do per year? I know you said you won't be selling for a long time but I'd really do the calc as it might not be woth it unless you're doing very high km/year.

Edit: I did a calc on an old spreadsheet I had and for ($8000 system) 30,000km per year it would take 3 years before it paid itself and that was if lpg used 1.5L/100km more which in hindsight isn't the case more like 2-3L/100km more.

[ratter]

The op has not mentioned why he wants the gas, he may be trying to save fuel costs or he may be trying to get the extra power that the gas can supply.

[sikhabib]

i do approx 50,000km a year with avg consumption around 17L/100km

definitely getting lpg to save on petrol costs as doing almost 1000km a week gets expensive. im not interested in any power gain as the turbos provide more than enough power for me.

im very keen on getting the twin pump, 8 injector, and 65L tank that mounts where the spare tyre goes as i need all the space in the tray for my work stuff.

im sure the prices ive been quoted are in the ball park of what they should be as ive had alot of quotes, i just wanted to know how much others have outlayed for the system and if they regretted doing it

[sikhabib]

How many kays do you actually do per year? I know you said you won't be selling for a long time but I'd really do the calc as it might not be woth it unless you're doing very high km/year.

Edit: I did a calc on an old spreadsheet I had and for ($8000 system) 30,000km per year it would take 3 years before it paid itself and that was if lpg used 1.5L/100km more which in hindsight isn't the case more like 2-3L/100km more.

ive only worked it out roughly in my head and beleive ill pay it back within 2 years.
lpg is less that half the price of petrol atm but as the car uses more to go the same distance ill call it half the price.
so my fuel bill should be halved per year (approx $5000 saving)

[Ghia351]

ive only worked it out roughly in my head and beleive ill pay it back within 2 years.
lpg is less that half the price of petrol atm but as the car uses more to go the same distance ill call it half the price.
so my fuel bill should be halved per year (approx $5000 saving)On my calc you're spot on @ 50,000 per year and I allowed about $8000 for the kit. Good luck.

[LuisS]

ive been been to serveral jtg approved work shops around sydney lately getting quotes to have liquid injection installed on my ute, as im running turbos i need to get twin pumps and 16 injectors which is going to cost between $8000 - $9000

another option is to have have twin pumps and just 8 injectors but it will need to switch back to petrol under boost. With me figuring out the switching back to petrol at wot myself it going to cost $6000 - $7000

as the car's registered under my company i wont be getting the rebate so its a big outlay to get it setup but i still think its worth it for me as i do alot of driving and have no plans to sell the car.

before i commit to anything id like to know:
what you guys paid to have this system installed?
how many injectors/pumps did you need?
what kind of tank did you get?
are you happy with the system and would you do it again?

thanks
ronny

Give us some more info on your car...

[blownvk]

How many kays do you actually do per year? I know you said you won't be selling for a long time but I'd really do the calc as it might not be woth it unless you're doing very high km/year.

Edit: I did a calc on an old spreadsheet I had and for ($8000 system) 30,000km per year it would take 3 years before it paid itself and that was if lpg used 1.5L/100km more which in hindsight isn't the case more like 2-3L/100km more.

Strange... My 6.0L crewman uses less L per K on liquid gas than petty. and 301rwkw petty, 316 gas. with 220 220 cam around the 10L per 100 gas.

[sikhabib]

2004 VY2 SS UTE
Internally Stock LS1 with a genttrbb kit (gt2871r turbos)
044 bosch pump and 3L surge tank in the area beside the fuel tank
i tune my own car with hptuners

i need to use a dougnut tank that fits in the spare wheel area as the whole ute tray is used for my work stuff

i usally run 60lb siemen dekka injectors but to make it easy for the installer im going to put my stock ones back in and have the lpg injectors matched to them. im going to get a set of spare orifice's and play around with tuning the lpg injectors to my 60lb injectors later myself (this was my request to help keep the price down).

i havent been on the dyno but cars with simlar setups run between 350 - 400rwkw. 99% of the time im driving normally for work with the occational 1/2 throttle squirt (upto 4000rpm) here and there so im not fussed if the jtg dosent cover the whole 350rwkw as the car hardly ever see's it. and if i did want to give it a fang i can swap injectors, load in a different tune and go hard on petrol/e85. its only me that drives, works on and tunes the car so i know its limits with the stock injectors (im been driving around with them for the last month and they are plenty for my day to day stuff)

i want the jtg to cut down on my normal everyday petrol costs so a system that covers around 260rwkw will be plenty for me

let me know if you need more info
thanks

[blownvk]

drysdale motors installed my kit on the crewman, they fitted an 80L gas cylender between the spring hangers and removed spare tyre. Donut tanks are small, and will give ya the chets filling it all the time. $4800 fitted, had a few issues with it blocking injectors at first, but Australian gas warehouse have been fairly good and coming to my town to try and fix it, had several trips back to geelong for warranty, and about to go back again for a faulty shut off valve on the tank for the 2nd time. it is stuck open.
APS done a duel tune on it so tune changes when fuel changes. (Great work guys thanks.)
all in all, the kit is good, cheep to run, more power just a few little bugs to iron out.

[sikhabib]

drysdale motors installed my kit on the crewman, they fitted an 80L tank between the spring hangers and removed spare tyre. $4800 fitted, had a few issues with it blocking injectors at first, but Australian gas warehouse have been fairly good and coming to my town to try and fix it, had several trips back to geelong for warranty, and about to go back again for a faulty shut off valve on the tank for the 2nd time. it is stuck open.
APS done a duel tune on it so tune changes when fuel changes. (Great work guys thanks.)
all in all, the kit is good, cheep to run, more power just a few little bugs to iron out.

hi blownvk thanks for the review and im glad your happy with it

did they figure out what was causing the injectors to block? do you know if the other problems you were having are common?

[LuisS]

I've done a L98 with a Harrop ( 360 odd ) and used 1 injector for LPG , but twin pumps.

60 lb injectors will be an LPG installer's nightmare , basically , you cannot calibrate the LPG injector to match them - if 40lb are big enough to feed your engine , bang them in.

Give us a buzz if we can help

Luis

[blownvk]

hi blownvk thanks for the review and im glad your happy with it

did they figure out what was causing the injectors to block? do you know if the other problems you were having are common?

no drama, im unsure if there common, i havent spoken to others that have had the jtg installed. from what Drysdale motors tell me, issues like these are rare, but of course installers are going to tell you that.

Ive got a single pump and 8 injectors, (standard kit) making 316rwkw N/A, not sure on the kits limitations, luis may help out there as he tuned it.

[lease1]

$4750 with 110L torpedo tank

[O.N.]

I had the system on the 5.7L engine was making 250rwkw on petrol and 260rwkw on gas.

The petrol guage would show me getting 14L per 100km but in actual fact it was 16-16.5L per 100km when worked out properly.

I paid $5400 and had the spare wheel tank in the GTO coupe.
Going to be switching back soon on the new engine and doing something similar to your set up 16 injectors twin pumps twin tanks.

[Ghia351]

Strange... My 6.0L crewman uses less L per K on liquid gas than petty. and 301rwkw petty, 316 gas. with 220 220 cam around the 10L per 100 gas. I should add my calc's are based on less sophisticated lpg systems them most of you have mentioned. And having one that runs a different tune based on the fuel sounds great. I always thought that per lt petrol will still get you futher then LPG. If not the case now with liquid injection LPG then that is fantastic, which iirc is a superior system to vapour injection.

[mickeyVX350]

I am not sure if SVI is different, but to be brutally honest the SVI in my Alloytec 190 Adventra uses considerably more LPG than fuel. A more realistic calculation is that I save around 1/3rd on fuel costs, so:
Where it costs me $60 in fuel to go somewhere, it costs me $35-40.

So conservatively, I'd base it on similar figures.

Biggest hate, 300-370K per tank and constant refilling.

[Stewge]

I am not sure if SVI is different, but to be brutally honest the SVI in my Alloytec 190 Adventra uses considerably more LPG than fuel. A more realistic calculation is that I save around 1/3rd on fuel costs, so:
Where it costs me $60 in fuel to go somewhere, it costs me $35-40.

So conservatively, I'd base it on similar figures.

Biggest hate, 300-370K per tank and constant refilling.
I'm looking at a similar system and I only get 300K to a tank on petrol (although my car only ever sees urban kms these days) :p

~$5000-5500 sounds pretty reasonable though for something with a decent size tank.

[mickeyVX350]

A little OT Stewge, what car is yours in Ballarat? I just left a few months back after 14 years. I had the Yellow CV8 "MD-107x" that was out very rarely, and at the same time used to get around in a green VS SS loud as hell.

[feistl]

Only annoying thing preventing me from going LiLPG is you need to retain the petrol tank as it uses petrol to start :soap:

I was hoping to remove the petrol tank and spare wheel well and fit a pair of 80L tanks. With the spare space both tanks would sit nice and high and give amazing range.

But needing to keep the fuel system is a real pain as i would have to stuff around with a fuel cell etc.

As soon as they fix that issue ill be converting.

[Ghia351]

Only annoying thing preventing me from going LiLPG is you need to retain the petrol tank as it uses petrol to start :soap:

I was hoping to remove the petrol tank and spare wheel well and fit a pair of 80L tanks. With the spare space both tanks would sit nice and high and give amazing range.

But needing to keep the fuel system is a real pain as i would have to stuff around with a fuel cell etc.

As soon as they fix that issue ill be converting.This is one of the delays on the Ford dedicated LiLPG system, the purging I think (?) which needs to be resolved when you don't have petrol.