What are police like with cams?

[Ripcell]

howdy,

im going to be camming my ute soon and i was wondering what the likleyhood of having problems with it and the police / epa?

if for any reason it got picked on can it be tuned to pass an emissions test or does the cam have to come out?

thx

[seedyrom]

More likely to be pulled over for driving like an idiot than for the cam.

[macca33]

Yup...:teach:

Some actually like cams...:hide:

If you do get pinged, then there have been some discussions on here about what others have attempted to make things right.

[HRT 8]

Quite a few in fact Macca.:jester:

[Jag530G]

howdy,

im going to be camming my ute soon and i was wondering what the likleyhood of having problems with it and the police / epa?

if for any reason it got picked on can it be tuned to pass an emissions test or does the cam have to come out?

thx

As Seedy says, you will more likely get pulled over for doing something stupid. But thats where the fun begins, if you have done something stupid and failed the attitude test and then the cop then hears a lumpy cam then you will become the proud owner of a yellow sticker and given the opportunity to have your car's exhaust penetrated by an EPA worker.

If your car has a lumpy cam then it basically has buckley's chance of getting past the EPA.

If you want a lumpy cam and are concerned about the attention, don't hang around the local hoon spots on a Friday/Saturday night, don't do burnouts ( someone will see you and dob you in) and generally behave yourself, you don't want to have to pay to get the cam out.

Cheers, Matthew

[rodp]

Your typical Police officer probably wouldn't know how to install one. I think you'd be better off going to a performance shop. :p

[Ripcell]

i drive it enthusiastically however i dont drive like a ****head, i dont do burnouts on the street ect. as for hoon spots i always stay away, i was more referring to say like the blitz they had on last weekend etc.

so in simple u basically cant tune a car to pass emissions with a cam just to pass a test? this isn't going to change my decision about it i was just interested to find out what would happen worse case

[monaro327]

you can if you run up an e85 tune?

[Jag530G]

you can if you run up an e85 tune?

Does a E85 tune solve the issue of high NOx emissions? NOx is Oxides of Nitrogen, this causes smog. E85 is good for reducing CO2 emissions but I'm not sure if it helps lower NOx emissions. A tune basically leans out the mixture to deliver more power but a lean mixture generates higher NOx emissions - one of the reasons why factory tunes are relatively richer, to reduce NOx emissions and pass the standard.

If it is a case that an E85 tune will get a car with a lumpy cam past the EPA then that is fantastic news. Can any sponsers please confirm or deny?

Cheers, Matthew

[ssv402]

I got pulled over just idling in traffic with my first cam, so yes, police WILL defect you if the cam is blatantly obvious.
Smaller cams under 230 Im sure wouldnt be a problem, its the bigger ones that are a problem as they draw attention to themselves. The standard exhausts hide cams surprisingly well though, so if the problem of a defect does arise, thats the solution :)

[Toast]

I wouldn't worry too much about EPA, I don't. But if you are worried don't put the cam in..

Have a read in Sureflo Exhausts sponsor section though. They reckon they had a cam and headed LS1 pass emissions and EPA...

Edit: have a read http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=88638

[vxssblown]

Ive been questioned at a random breath test before he asked me why my car was idleing weird.... i just said i don't know and he let me go.
If the cam isn't to big i think it would be fine but mine is very noticable when idleing.

[Wonky]

I know of someone down here whose 23x/24x cam @ 110 passed EPA emissions with stock exhaust and doctored tune. I haven't been pulled over for over 30 years (ignoring booze buses) so definitely believe how and where you drive plays a part (hate bloody speed cameras though!! :mad:). Haven't been through booze bus since had my latest cam and with the full KPM 3" (older style) my idle is now very loud and deep, so fingers crossed.........

[AMADR8]

I know of someone down here whose 23x/24x cam @ 110 passed EPA emissions with stock exhaust and doctored tune. I haven't been pulled over for over 30 years (ignoring booze buses) so definitely believe how and where you drive plays a part (hate bloody speed cameras though!! :mad:). Haven't been through booze bus since had my latest cam and with the full KPM 3" (older style) my idle is now very loud and deep, so fingers crossed.........

240/244@110 cam past with stock exhaust and intake with a tweaked tune

[Wonky]

240/244@110 cam past with stock exhaust and intake with a tweaked tune

:doh: Sorry Cam. Thought it was high 230s/24x. :doh:

[Brandonsdad]

If you can put the cam in and out on your own, then go for your life with the biggest one you want, otherwise if you need to pay a workshop to do it, then it could work out pretty expensive putting it back to standard and then if you wish to revert it back.
You could also be unlucky and get a copper on a bad day, or if he catches you driving like a dickhead then he may teach you a lesson.
If you get one that doesnt tell everyone around you that you have a cam, then you could possibly get away with it.

[awesome _vzss]

police will geneally leave you alone if your not being stupid.
So far i have never had a problem (touch wood), but i have been
pulled over a few times for rbt and 9 times out 10 they usually
admire the car and send you on your way.

[mickeyVX350]

Yup...:teach:

Some actually like cams...:hide:

If you do get pinged, then there have been some discussions on here about what others have attempted to make things right.

I was thinking along the same lines Macca.

[Drewie]

i drive it enthusiastically however i dont drive like a ****head, i dont do burnouts on the street ect. as for hoon spots i always stay away, i was more referring to say like the blitz they had on last weekend etc.

so in simple u basically cant tune a car to pass emissions with a cam just to pass a test? this isn't going to change my decision about it i was just interested to find out what would happen worse case

These new style blitz you mention above are becoming more common, I got caught up in one late last year, they shut the whole highway down and had, alcohol/drug testing, EPA, roadworthy and immigration present, heaps of cars were sidelined with defects, was a very big operation.

[LooneyR8]

I have a 22x/23x cam at 114 and have a full 2.5 inch exhaust with hotdogs as centre mufflers and 1 7/8th extractors and have pulled up beside police on several occassions and a few booze buses and have yet to have a problem.

Drive sensibly and you should be fine.

Just remember....police are people too.....

[vessls3]

come to adelaide and see how long you last go through an rbt here with a cam and your finished you get yourself a new window sticker might i add that the varex on my car saved my arse a few times

[OMR346]

The day i got my cam and stall done, i drove thru an RBT. They were letting all the cars thru at that stage, but jumped in front of me to pull me in. I must say though, the tune was only half done (had to go back the next day) and it was idleing like it had a massive cam (its only 228/230@112), so im not surprised i had the attention it got. Did the RBT and off i went.

The next time i got pulled up, was my own stupidity on the M1, when i took off in front of an unmarked cop car. But besides that, i havnt had any issues. Most cops will look at the car, as it is loud and you can tell it has a cam, but they leave me alone.

Unless your doing something to attract attention, you shouldnt have any dramas. Unless of course there are some real tight arse cops around your area.

[chunkyvxcalais]

Havnt had too much trouble from the police and I have a fairly lumpy idle in my calais.

As has been mentioned already, generally if you are behaving yourself and not attracting too much attention you should be right.

But dont get me started on yellow stickers on very well maintained cars while old heaps of crap dont get touched grrrrrrrrrr:soap:

[Tillz1987]

My mate had a vy s pak 6, with a stage 3 cam in it and the idle was lumpy as hell sounded like an 8 and he used to have a bit of a problem with authority lol especially the boys in blue and he got pulled over a few times but it was more for driving a lil... enthusiastically haha he got done for excessive noise once but never got a sticker so i think its more how you drive it....

[BLACK 346]

Havnt had too much trouble from the police and I have a fairly lumpy idle in my calais.

As has been mentioned already, generally if you are behaving yourself and not attracting too much attention you should be right.

But dont get me started on yellow stickers on very well maintained cars while old heaps of crap dont get touched grrrrrrrrrr:soap:

Yep, that is just the SA way. I am much more relaxed driving my $600 Laser to work compared with my modified Commodore.

[Tillz1987]

Havnt had too much trouble from the police and I have a fairly lumpy idle in my calais.

As has been mentioned already, generally if you are behaving yourself and not attracting too much attention you should be right.

But dont get me started on yellow stickers on very well maintained cars while old heaps of crap dont get touched grrrrrrrrrr:soap:

Yeah i live out in the country in wa and i hate it that all the shit boxes rolling around which are dangerously unsafe never get canarys.... and i got one put on my old vn commodore haha (first car) which was in great condition except it had a hole the size of a 10c piece in one of the tail lights...

[exwrx]

My exhaust sets off car alarms :goodjob: but will look at shutting it up as passing a cammed and turbocharged LS1 might be a challenge. :jester:

I have actually made some enquiries of the EPA re getting an emissions test done as I am hoping an e85 tune will help and they referred me to NATA approved testing stations.

The only publicly available station in Vic is the Ford one at Lara. $1500 per test and they wont issue a certificate :confused:

They dont make it easy.

[ADAM 26]

iv been pulled over twice since my cam install.

both times they didnt pick up it was cammed, but the second time they said it was too loud, (done there test and was 3 db over), so back to stock cat back and pass noise test with ease. the coppers that pulled me up the first time said that it was too loud, but they both love the note, so they let me go!

not all coppers are kunts, most are bloody good, but 9 out of 10 times you get pulled over it will be the not so nice one.

im savin for a varex, i think they will save the need to get noise tests, as when you are in a known patrol area or there is cops near you on the road, one press of the button and they wont even blink an eye.

[WPN-383]

It all mainly depends how loud you have the exhaust I have found they leave you alone if it's fairly quiet but if it's loud they will pull u up.. But I'd say it's worth it anyway choppy idle is the way to go!!

[Ripcell]

It all mainly depends how loud you have the exhaust I have found they leave you alone if it's fairly quiet but if it's loud they will pull u up.. But I'd say it's worth it anyway choppy idle is the way to go!!

it sets off car alarms, i might change the zorst yet tho when i cam it, just to make it a little less conspicuous :soap:

[boggers007]

it sets off car alarms, i might change the zorst yet tho when i cam it, just to make it a little less conspicuous :soap:

Dont change it till u get the cam and so you know how awesome it was before hand haha.

[Stewge]

Been pulled over a couple of times along with the usual booze buses etc. and never had a problem with mine which is a 237/242 + DF exhaust so it's quite lumpy and not the quietest thing ever.

As most have said, it's mostly about how you drive it. If I see the rozzas I avoid sticking my proverbial and literal foot in it. :p

[SO PHAT]

I've Never had a problem with my cams... They usually compliment it :)

[Glen.C]

Never been pulled over due to it, only had it put in about a year ago now though.

I have had a copper tell me at a dui stop that if the RTA put a db meter on there it would probably be over but thats about it.

Its pretty lumpy when in idle.

I normally back right off the peddle and punch it into a higher gear when i see cops to just coast along.

[AMADR8]

My exhaust sets off car alarms :goodjob: but will look at shutting it up as passing a cammed and turbocharged LS1 might be a challenge. :jester:

I have actually made some enquiries of the EPA re getting an emissions test done as I am hoping an e85 tune will help and they referred me to NATA approved testing stations.

The only publicly available station in Vic is the Ford one at Lara. $1500 per test and they wont issue a certificate :confused:

They dont make it easy.

hey mate there is another option, the joint the epa sent me to to get my full test done was in moorabin and it cost less than $90.

[exwrx]

hey mate there is another option, the joint the epa sent me to to get my full test done was in moorabin and it cost less than $90.

Sh!t, can you give us some details?

[boggers007]

hey mate there is another option, the joint the epa sent me to to get my full test done was in moorabin and it cost less than $90.

Was that for a 5gases test?

[AMADR8]

Sh!t, can you give us some details?


Was that for a 5gases test?

Sorry boggers the info i have is only applicable in Vic

This site has all the information of what i had done, in victoria at this stage we dont have to get a 5 gas test done, we get a section 55AC notice which is on page 6 and then on page 7 it has the certificate of compliance which shows the tests that have to be done in order to pass.
http://epanote2.epa.vic.gov.au/EPA/publications.nsf/2f1c2625731746aa4a256ce90001cbb5/6ecbc18c5123232aca257272001d3b95/$FILE/1120.pdf

Down the bottom of this page it has to 2 EPA approved emmission testers.
http://www.epa.vic.gov.au/noise/testers.asp#vehicle

As said earlier i did have a big cam in my car and that was tuned to pass the full victorian emissions test WITH the full standard exhaust and standard air box, so it is possible to have a cam that complies with the VIC regs but it wont be at its full potential with the standard exhaust and air box and also wont run the best

[VYCLUBBYR8]

i have received 3 epa notices in the mail in the last 10 months for exhaust too loud,ive got a comp cam 222/224 and a 3 inch xforce exhaust setup. i wouldnt waste your money with the varex, i got a 3 inch varex costed a grand and didnt like it lost alot of power and didnt sound right so i sold it after a month and went back to the non varex xforce 3 inch setup big difference even though it should be the same buts its not and the funny thing is i still got a epa notice for the varex they had a big blitz in the city coppers standing at the lights writing down licence plates if they thought your car sounded too loud and i drove past the cop with it closed and had my foot off the pedal.You cant beat the system mate just keep you stock exhaust system when you get a epa notice just put the stock back on pass the test give it a month and put back the loud exhaust it works for me :)

[dazzak75]

I have had my cam in for about a year, it is VCM 7, 232/234 112LSA and have had no issues, I have the xforce stepped headers, xforce cats and 3" xforce catback, it is loud, shakes the car on idle, but never had a problem.

I don't drive it like an idiot, have been pulled up for non traffic issues, licence checks, buzz bus, spoken to the police officer, and they've never mentioned anything about it, most times it was idleing and we're standing towards the back.

I think if you treat them like a person, most are fine, but have had one go right over it, trying to find something wrong, but that was before cam and mafless tune, so he couldn't find anything. My 22's were fine too apparently.