race weight ve ute 1940kgs without fuel

[etrocket]

Hi all,

Was cleaning out the garage last week and had to make a trip to the local tip. While i was there I decided to weight the old girl, she was virtually empty both on gas and petrol. with me in the car (100kgs) she totalled 1940kgs. hope new models dont get any heavier than this

[V28VX37]

Wow, and I thought the Monaro was heavy! :stick:


hope new models dont get any heavier than this

I wholeheartedly agree. We urgently need the kind of thinking behind concepts like Lamborghini's Sesto Elemento applied to mainstream production cars.

[SirNemesis]

We urgently need the kind of thinking behind concepts like Lamborghini's Sesto Elemento applied to mainstream production cars.

I don't understand this comment. The VE in question here is an SSV ute looking at the listed primary ride. This is a 'luxury' commercial vehicle. As far as utes goes, its going to be heavier. It is not a sports car, nor is it a supercar. Why do people compare mainstream cars to supercars? :confused:

[daztheclipper]

Probably a little off topic but is GVM dry weight?


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[ittwgn]

hi mate just for a comparison what does your rego papers say the gross weight is???? cheeers

[V28VX37]

I don't understand this comment. The VE in question here is an SSV ute looking at the listed primary ride. This is a 'luxury' commercial vehicle. As far as utes goes, its going to be heavier. It is not a sports car, nor is it a supercar. Why do people compare mainstream cars to supercars? :confused:

My bad, I could have been more clear. I wasn't comparing utes to Lambos, just saying that many of the weight-saving techniques pioneered in the ultra-expensive concept cars can and hopefully will trickle down into more affordable cars that you and I can buy.

The current gen family sedans are not much shy of two tons and that's just too much IMHO.

[IJ.]

LOL ya think that's bad, Cross6 VZ tonner 2020 Kg's, Vy CX8 Adventra 1930 Kg's both full of fuel with no driver.... (still stunned that the Tonner is heavier than the wagon so weighed it at 2 different places to verify)

[mickeyVX350]

My cx6 adventra with trailer and a bit of rubbish gets in at 2500!!!

[Popeye1]

The big truck weigh bridge when weighing something light can be out! use the one at the drag strip at wsid my vz ute on 1/2 tank was 1730 KG

[EfiJy]

I agree. My car is over 1800kg wet (no driver). Although it's a good handling car for its size, I figured I now want something lighter.

The WRX is much lighter at 1450-1520kg whereas the Evo is 1550-1600+kg. Quite heavy for a smaller car but also much lighter than my R8.

I'm also disappointed that newer cars are getting way too heavy. :vpo:

[IJ.]

The big truck weigh bridge when weighing something light can be out! use the one at the drag strip at wsid my vz ute on 1/2 tank was 1730 KG

You'd be surprised how accurate they need to be to pass certification, but that in mind is why I weighed the Tonner twice on different scales to be sure, My last car was a Mid 80's Jap GT car with the Ls swapped in and it was around the 1800 mark wet no driver..

I built a light tray for the tonner and dropped 220 Kg's so I'm looking at it's going to end up around the same weight but it's going to be AWD so a win..

I guess when you look at modern cars there are electric motors for everything so no real surprive they've bulked up, when I was younger a full size "heavy" car was 1300>1400 Kg's so everyone built Toranas or small Jap cars with Chev swaps.

[peter b]

Ute's are heavier than sedans etc due to being a load carrying vehicle the actual frame is stronger therefore heavier. What would you prefer less weight but not being able to put as much in the tray or a heavier vehicle but one that is stronger and can carry a considerable payload.
Yes cars are getting heavier but engines are also getting more powerful picture this a brand neww ss commodore driven by your loved ones that is lighter but still making 220 rw kw for arguments sake but the car is as light as say an older commodore that weighs in at 1100kg would you not agree that the car would be less stable and easier to be in a position where with too much throttle and being light weight the car can very easily get out of control.
The weight is there for a reason gone are the days of 300kw being a massive number the weight gives the car stability.

[IJ.]

Agreed on more powerful, back in the day if you had a true 13 second street car you were God, sad thing with my Tonner (following your logic on commercials) is if you have a big passenger you can't carry 1 tonne.....

Chassis is much lighter built than a HQ Tonner, I'm starting to think the rear axle is solid steel and it's a Front drive car ;)

[OMR346]

Ute's are heavier than sedans etc due to being a load carrying vehicle the actual frame is stronger therefore heavier. What would you prefer less weight but not being able to put as much in the tray or a heavier vehicle but one that is stronger and can carry a considerable payload.


I was looking at utes a while ago for work reasons. I looked at VE utes, and after seeing what the paylod was, i walked away. Just over 600kg payload for a ute. The reason we wanted a ute was to carry around detailing gear. A 500Ltr (at least) water tank was needed, and with one person in the car, that the load full. We wernt looking at them for very long, to say the least

[VYBerlinaV8]

I think I read somewhere that Mazda have adopted a weight saving approach to design, which is working out well for them.

[hRTHSV]

I drive a VE R8 wagon daily, when I get into to my VZ which is rare, the weight difference is easy to feel. Then I get into the wifes drive to work car VR Acclaim and bigger difference again.

We keep saying cars handling has come forward in leaps and bounds but the difference between the VE R8 wagon and the 1993 IRS VS with kings and gas shocks isn't much only ride quality really. I think if I had to pick one to push into a corner it would be the VR over the VE. The VE weight transfer is huge.

[etrocket]

One thing the Ve does over previous models is it hooks up well. Imagine how fast it could be 200-300kgs lighter

[SSZ.]

One thing the Ve does over previous models is it hooks up well. Imagine how fast it could be 200-300kgs lighter

realy, i see heaps having problems at the drags, and axel tramp in a ve looks shocking, shakes the car like nothing ive seen before looks like a cheap plastic toy

[hRTHSV]

Forgot to mention the VR and VZ both have a 50mm wither rear seat than the VE.

[etrocket]

on the street i have no probs

[feistl]

Im not sure how a production standard road model can be considered "race weight"...

The other thing to remember in regards to "race weight" isnt the curb weight but the driveline "unsprung" weight which has a much bigger effect on power/efficiency.

More efficient engines allow for greater car weight meaning more room for features/safety.

Remember, we are the minority of Holden/HSV buyers... To the majority they are simple a tool to get around. Providing fuel usage doesn't go up, they really dont care about weight etc.

[peter b]

I was looking at utes a while ago for work reasons. I looked at VE utes, and after seeing what the paylod was, i walked away. Just over 600kg payload for a ute. The reason we wanted a ute was to carry around detailing gear. A 500Ltr (at least) water tank was needed, and with one person in the car, that the load full. We wernt looking at them for very long, to say the least

In all fairness they are aiming the utes at trades people who need to throw toolboxes etc in the back. To get that type of payload really are stuck to something like Hilux, colarado etc. Being the payload is just over 600kg that is still more than what the chassis in the sedan will cope with.
Even the VU utes were heavier than a VX sedan. Its better to build it stronger and not worry about the back end flexing and making the car like a banana. Not having a stab just explaining more about why a ute is heavier.
But newer cars are less likely to become lighter as we want more features, bigger comfier seats, decent door trims (early model commodores where just a sheet of that fibrous wood with a vinyl covering we wouldn't accept that now) more airbags better sound systems, bigger wheels and brakes, now to be fair we the consumer are helping increase the weight of these cars as we always are wanting more. But if you want to feel the difference put a dead stock LS1 in a earlier model commodore and will feel like you have picked up power in a big way but will also be less stable at speed and sideways.

[etrocket]

Im not sure how a production standard road model can be considered "race weight"...

The other thing to remember in regards to "race weight" isnt the curb weight but the driveline "unsprung" weight which has a much bigger effect on power/efficiency.

More efficient engines allow for greater car weight meaning more room for features/safety.

Remember, we are the minority of Holden/HSV buyers... To the majority they are simple a tool to get around. Providing fuel usage doesn't go up, they really dont care about weight etc.

"race weight" is what my car was when i went to calder.

[Popeye1]

The last time i was at wsid , i had 2 of my 20 inch heavy wheels a 3 ton troly jack and a 30 kilo tool box in the back of my ute at 1890 kg and a full tank and stil ran a 11.6 with MT/ radials and with nothing in the back ran an 11.3 not a big deal with that extra waight.