Registering new engine

[dazzak75]

Hi all,

I am putting a new engine in my ute, as I have never done this before I am at a bit of a loss.

The engine going in is an LSX 454, does anyone know if these come out with engine numbers or do I have to go to DOT and get one stamped on it?

I thought all engines come from factory, whether here or overseas with engine numbers on them, but maybe I am wrong.

Any help would be appreciated as it will only be a matter of weeks and I will be driving it, so if I have to fill out forms and get the ball rolling before I better start. It will be registered in QLD.

Cheers

[OzJavelin]

I thought all engines come from factory, whether here or overseas with engine numbers on them, but maybe I am wrong.

Can't help you for Cains, but in Vic yes you would need to go to VicRoads for an engine number to be assigned.

FYI .. historically not all factory engines have engine numbers .. even ones installed in cars. The factory installed 304V8 in my '74 AMC Javelin had no engine numbers. Apparently they were not mandatory in certain states in the USA at the time. As part of my LHD rego I had to get one assigned and stamped on it.

[ittwgn]

hi mate yeh it wont have an engine number!!! in nsw you will have to provide the rta proof of purchase!!! as in a receipt from where you bought the block mine was the same 6L iron block no numbers dont qoute me but i think even a new ls1/2/3 dont come with id either not sure on an lsx but the 6L iron blocks allow stamping behind pass side head at firewall in a prick of a spot anyway lsx 454 sounds good!!!! cheers

[dazzak75]

hi mate yeh it wont have an engine number!!! in nsw you will have to provide the rta proof of purchase!!! as in a receipt from where you bought the block mine was the same 6L iron block no numbers dont qoute me but i think even a new ls1/2/3 dont come with id either not sure on an lsx but the 6L iron blocks allow stamping behind pass side head at firewall in a prick of a spot anyway lsx 454 sounds good!!!! cheers

There is a number on the block behind the passengers side head, it'll be at the firewall, and is moulded into the block, like it was cast while the block was being made, I thought it may have been a part number. But if the iron 6ltr block had it there, then it may just be that.

Would you think there would be any issues registering the LSX 454 in a VE SS UTE? I really don't want too much of a hard time from the DOT in QLD, I am sure they can be real pricks at times. I will have the receipt with me for proof of purchase so that is not an issue.

Cheers

[LS1-5.7]

Hi Dazza,

Most engines come with an engine number as that is how they are traced through their life. In NSW if you change an engine you need to get a blueslip and then notify the RTA that the engine number has changed. They will ask for a sales receipt for the motor to prove you bought it and aren't just "borrowing" it :) Once they're happy they'll issue new rego papers with the amended engine number on it.

Not sure about QLD but I hope there is some similar procedure in place to stop rebirthing of stolen cars.

[185iboy]

Just tell them its the same capacity as the original engine i.e. 6L and you should be sweet.

[dazzak75]

So the number behind the head on the passenger side is the engine number, it is manufactured with the block and is on a flat piece of metal that looks like it is designed for it.

If this is true, then a couple of engine covers to cover the LSX 454 valve covers then I could be ok, with the lift of the springs I can't use anything else to hide what it is actually.

I will do some more searching on the net and see what is required. Will I need a mod plate too, nothing has been altered as the engine mounts and everything is all the same.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

this is what the engine sticker looks like IS THE number 18212322 near the sticker the real engine number ?? or casting number
or is the engine # STAMPED IN some where else under the sticker perhaps
(i dont have acess to the engine to look under the sticker )
thanks


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[02_VXSS]

i could be wrong here. from what i have been told by a few ppl is that you can go into a police station and they give you a engine number then you have to get some one who is qualified to stamp it on the block.
the number on the engine would be a casting number.

[dazzak75]

Hi All,

Well the issue has finally been fixed, the forensic police came to my mechanics to look at the engine and the ute, they then took all the information away and submitted it to the VIN co-ordinator at the DOT, that person then issued the new engine number, I now have 28 days from the issue date to go to the DOT and get the rego papers changed.

So it is right, you have to go to the police first, they then issue all the relevant paperwork to the right people then if they are satisfied they will then issue the engine number to you.

Thanks for everyone's input, I am just glad that it is all over and done with now.

Cheers.

[Delft Maloo]

Hi All,

Well the issue has finally been fixed, the forensic police came to my mechanics to look at the engine and the ute, they then took all the information away and submitted it to the VIN co-ordinator at the DOT, that person then issued the new engine number, I now have 28 days from the issue date to go to the DOT and get the rego papers changed.

So it is right, you have to go to the police first, they then issue all the relevant paperwork to the right people then if they are satisfied they will then issue the engine number to you.

Thanks for everyone's input, I am just glad that it is all over and done with now.

Cheers.

in nsw if you dont live anywhere near the rta technical station(penrith i think) you go to your local authorised blue slip inspection agent then he gives you the necessary paper work for you to visit the local police for them to inspect and confirm the number or lack of number and they will fill out their portion of the paper work, than you return it to your blue slip inspector and he submits the paper work to the rta for the engine number assignment, they will then return an allocated number and away you go once its stamped in.

[GRUNTS]

this is what i had to do this when i fitted a cast 408 into my clubby
1,,, have proof of purchase
2,,, fit the engine in the car as i couldn't stamp the block before it has been fitted, i wanted to stamp mine before it was fitted as it is much easier to do
3,,, had to take the car to a police station where they checked the engine to verify it has no engine number and take down all the vehicle details for the paperwork
4,,, then they faxed the paperwork to department of transport and they issued a new surrogate engine number
5,,, stamp the new number on the block, i did it myself, then front the car to a transport department to get checked and change the engine number on your rego

[Dijm8]

im abit confused... so your allowed to fit a bigger engine then what it had previously say 5.7L to a 6.2L all you have to do is go to your local cop station to get paper work to get a new number etc then off to the pits for them to check it?

is that correct?

[dazzak75]

im abit confused... so your allowed to fit a bigger engine then what it had previously say 5.7L to a 6.2L all you have to do is go to your local cop station to get paper work to get a new number etc then off to the pits for them to check it?

is that correct?

Every state is different in Australia, in queensland you can go 10% bigger without having any real issues, so a 6ltr you can go to 6.6ltr, approx 407ci, but when you change your block you still have to have an engine number, and in QLD, you have to go and see the police to get them to check over the engine and take the details so they can issue the surrogate engine number.

[SirNemesis]

The problem I see with this thread is that an LS3 already has an engine number. It isn't like an iron block conversion where they are supplied without a number at all.

In VIC I just went to VicRoads and they checked the new number, verified it on my receipt for purchase and updated it on the computer. No problemo.

EDIT: Sorry, confused myself with the other thread re: LS3 registration...

[Dijm8]

i might hav to ring up my local pits, just to see what they say etc.. the ls3 i got hasn't got any numbers etc

[VYSHSV8]

Alot of engines sourced from the US don't come with engine No's from what I understand.
Not sure about there rego laws but maybe if they have a engine failure they can just replace the original and restamp it ?????

[Dijm8]

had a quick look at the adr laws in S.A it states that the engine does not have a greater displacement volume then the engine available as an option for the vehicle which pretty much sums it up

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Alot of engines sourced from the US don't come with engine No's from what I understand.
Not sure about there rego laws but maybe if they have a engine failure they can just replace the original and restamp it ?????

in the usa you put what ever size engine in you like they don't have the engine number
requirement
just the vin has to match the rego papers
and SOME states they have to pass a emission test
so in short 5lt out 7 lt in no paper work

[VYSHSV8]

in the usa you put what ever size engine in you like they don't have the engine number
requirement
just the vin has to match the rego papers
and SOME states they have to pass a emission test
so in short 5lt out 7 lt in no paper work
that would be nice over here :):)