STOCK GT 335SC does 1/4 in 12.4

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

just read on the darkforums some dude punted his New GT down the 1/4 4 times and got 12.4 almost exactly. All he did was put it in drive..no stalling..stock tyres...half a tank and gun it....WOW:bow: getting pretty close to some of those random F6 12.1 times floating around....

[A PSYCHO]

Im a one eyed Holden man and doubt ill ever buy a Ford. But damn, respect wheres it due, these new V8 variants really are weapons.

[etrocket]

Not bad with 245 tyres

[maka5]

is there a time slip to prove it... :jester:

[bok1]

here is 1 of a stock f6 v a new gt 335 with probably proper times not ones where some guy gets a tune and says its stock.

YouTube - f6 vs 335 gt


phil

[73.RSR]

I'm not going to call BS because I don't have enough info but that is hard to believe.
High 12's I wouldn't have a problem with but there is something fishy when good drivers and Journo's are getting low 13's and then some jumps all the way down to a 12.4.

The differnce between a 12.4 and a 13 is huge!

And no I'm not one eyed, I've owned 2 turbo Fords and a Typhoon.

[STATIE]

I'd believe it - there is a member on here that just sold his 10 second turbo'd VX & bought one of these - he had it at Calder a month ago & ran 12.7 at about 115ish in the middle of the day dead stock no tricks etc with only a couple thousand K's on it.

He wasn't even going to race it but there was a period where no cars were running & one of the marshalls he knew ran it for a laugh for him - the marshall had never even driven it before that.

He couldn't drive it himself as as per usual he was in shorts, thongs & 1/2 pissed.

Do it at night when it is cold & these Harrops will drop a couple of tenths easily.

[GMMAD]

12.4 isnt hard to believe with 335kw hell I ran 12.5 with 245rwkw

[IFN60]

I have seen a couple of these making the 280rwkw std, running low low 12.s with just a tune on street tyres

[whitels1ss]

here is 1 of a stock f6 v a new gt 335 with probably proper times not ones where some guy gets a tune and says its stock.


That would NEVER happen! :rolleyes::jester:

[701let]

just read on the darkforums some dude punted his New GT down the 1/4 4 times and got 12.4 almost exactly. All he did was put it in drive..no stalling..stock tyres...half a tank and gun it....WOW:bow: getting pretty close to some of those random F6 12.1 times floating around....

Went for a run in a supercharged Ve clubbie last night and if the ford is half as good I'd believe it ran that time...

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

I'm not going to call BS because I don't have enough info but that is hard to believe.
High 12's I wouldn't have a problem with but there is something fishy when good drivers and Journo's are getting low 13's and then some jumps all the way down to a 12.4.

The differnce between a 12.4 and a 13 is huge!

And no I'm not one eyed, I've owned 2 turbo Fords and a Typhoon.

the journos mostly use those gps timers which apparently are 2tenths slow...plus they are either testing on normal roads or dirty slipery unused private tarmac somewhere. They admit this. Im sure they guy u question is legit becaue he handles lots of actual magazine comparo cars. He is well known so didnt pop out of know where. Also after all these years there has been plenty of legit F6s go 12.1 12.3 and so on and im sure no mag ever went that quick.

[Jamolad]

With the amount of different GT's popping up that are putting in respectable times, I am starting to think that all 12 Falcons sold this year were a GT. :jester:

[KuRT12]

From reading the thread on AFF its legit, and running on the crappy dunlop sport maxx tyres they come from the factory with.

Imagine if it had the Wider Rears, with grippier tyres!

[Evman]

With the amount of different GT's popping up that are putting in respectable times, I am starting to think that all 12 Falcons sold this year were a GT. :jester:

I almost spat my drink on the screen :lol:

[bouka]

It ran the 12.4 at 113.8 mph. Same mph all the mags were getting. Stock everything including tyre pressure according to person who ran it.

Believe it gents. No smoke or mirrors just a bloody brilliant Aussie performance car.

They are bloody fast. And all with full factory warranty.

Well done FPV.

[HSVREDSLED]

It ran the 12.4 at 113.8 mph. Same mph all the mags were getting. Stock everything including tyre pressure according to person who ran it.

Believe it gents. No smoke or mirrors just a bloody brilliant Aussie performance car.

They are bloody fast. And all with full factory warranty.

Well done FPV.

Its all good....time for GMH to step up.

[73.RSR]

I read it also and 2 things jumped out at me:
It was not his car - it is owned by Ford and when they put it on a dyno it's making 331rwkw.



If this is how they are coming off the factory floor I will be adding one to my shopping list - that's got to be 400kw or close to it to be putting out those numbers.

[BA_XR6_TURBO]

I read it also and 2 things jumped out at me:
It was not his car - it is owned by Ford and when they put it on a dyno it's making 331rwkw.



If this is how they are coming off the factory floor I will be adding one to my shopping list - that's got to be 400kw or close to it to be putting out those numbers.

All the stock dyno runs by stock GTs have come back around the 320 - 330rwkw mark...can you put two on your shopping list...I can't justify the cost of a new one to the other half :(

[team illucid]

It ran the 12.4 at 113.8 mph. Same mph all the mags were getting. Stock everything including tyre pressure according to person who ran it.

Believe it gents. No smoke or mirrors just a bloody brilliant Aussie performance car.

They are bloody fast. And all with full factory warranty.

Well done FPV.

That is 0-100 in what - 4.1 seconds?

Pretty damn quick in ANY car.

[BA_XR6_TURBO]

That is 0-100 in what - 4.1 seconds?

Pretty damn quick in ANY car.

I'd be very surprised if it could do it in 4.1, too heavy and not enough tyre. Would more likely make up time once it's moving.

The driver says he just put it in D and hit the loud pedal once it went green. No stalling it up off the line so very unlikely he could get to that sort of 1-100.

[Spoolin]

From what I have read the GS' are making around 280-290rwkw stock and GT's in the 320rwkw region.
Once my GS ute is delivered and a few K's under it's belt I'll whack it on the dyno, wouldn't mind running it on stock tyres and DOT's. I'll be happy if it runs a 12.99 stock standard but I may struggle being a ute.
If they are in fact running those times stock, it can only mean good things for HSV devotees plus there is talk they'll bring back the XR8 in NA form.

[STATIE]

Don't know why people find it hard to believe the power & times of these things - look at one of our LSX cars with a Harrop on it - they would all be similar or even better. They're dirty great V8's with blowers on them - they are gunna make some oomph.

[VXSS346]

Awsome time and MPH for a stock Aussie car.

[EfiJy]

From what I have read the GS' are making around 280-290rwkw stock and GT's in the 320rwkw region.
Once my GS ute is delivered and a few K's under it's belt I'll whack it on the dyno, wouldn't mind running it on stock tyres and DOT's. I'll be happy if it runs a 12.99 stock standard but I may struggle being a ute.
If they are in fact running those times stock, it can only mean good things for HSV devotees plus there is talk they'll bring back the XR8 in NA form.

Can't you weigh it down at the back or would that imply it's no longer 'stock'? :jester:

[Spoolin]

How about I run with 100kg passenger...in the tray right over the axle:rofl:

[1BEAST2NV]

few cament bags u'll be right :D

[Djbarnstar]

I'd have one in a heart beat if the depreciation was not so bloody awful. I will never buy a new car again. Top work non the less...

[1BEAST2NV]

after all my rivalry with mates, i just could'nt jump ship....even if it has more stock power "for know" than a HSV (catch up hsv, we're waiting...)

HSV's just attract me :D

[Aus8]

Great time for Aussie car enthusiasts. Talk about performance! Christ! Well done Ford!

[LS2CALAIS]

Tune & cat-back exhaust these things go high 11's. With the new replacement cooler that Herrod has just bought out & a smaller pulley, they'll go deep into the 11's as they wont suffer from heat soak by the time they are shifting into 3rd gear...
Check out what stock/modified times these engines are throwing down in the states. Granted, they're in a different base car, but impressive none the less!

[ratter]

boost can be increased with a flash tune

[GODSMACK]

FPV have definetly got HSV on this one...

The new Malibu should bring the competition back on even terms... :stick:

[KPM Motorsport]

This car is definately a winner.
We have now built our GS Coyote Streetfighter with our KPM Intercooler and underdrtive pulley to run mid -high 11s and at least flat 12s all day.
All with KPM Care 3 Year Factory Protection warranty.
This months edition of motor.

Stay tuned for the KPM VE Streetfighter version.

[GODSMACK]

Stay tuned for the KPM VE Streetfighter version.

Ken, Ryu or Byson?

[PSI 364]

Does that mean if we stuff up the falcon we can put in a dollar and get three more goes ???? :confused:

[LS2CALAIS]

$1 for 3 credits was along time ago! Haha

[310gen]

As Statie said, mine was the car he was talking about. The car only had 2100ks on it . stock standard, no tricks, 30deg heat, no stalling it up. Can't wait to race it again after it has done about 15000ks and on a cold night, should go sub 12.5 easy. Also the car made 312rwkw and weighed 1860kg on the weigh bridge.

Cheers Nick

[team illucid]

Stay tuned for the KPM VE Streetfighter version.

That's modified though - not "Stock"

Plenty of quicker cars on here after being modified.

[KPM Motorsport]

That's modified though - not "Stock"

Plenty of quicker cars on here after being modified.

KPM built Streefighter FG ,brand new , out of showroom with 3 year warranties, as is?
KPM VE Streetfighter version coming soon.

[Uncle Tone]

That's modified though - not "Stock"

Plenty of quicker cars on here after being modified.

Not with 3 years worth of warranty there isn't.

[team illucid]

Not with 3 years worth of warranty there isn't.

1 on 1 warranties are weighted in favour of the offerer. There is always a "get out clause", and the buyer is generally going to be the loser.

If it is not a factory backed warranty then it is not worth it.

[Evman]

Not with 3 years worth of warranty there isn't.

Just ask Davo about warranties, I've had many a discussion with him regarding the Walkinshaw one :lol:

[planetdavo]

Just ask Davo about warranties, I've had many a discussion with him regarding the Walkinshaw one :lol:

To refresh peoples memory, WP are in no way endorsed by Holden or GM. It does not matter one bit that the owner of WP also owns HSV. HSV do "factory", and WP do "aftermarket". Totally different products.
WP's warranty is hence no different to anyone else offering "equivalent to factory" warranties. You have no manufacturer backup, just the backup of the tuner or workshop (and whatever level of insurance cover they may or may not have bought).

[KPM Motorsport]

1 on 1 warranties are weighted in favour of the offerer. There is always a "get out clause", and the buyer is generally going to be the loser.

If it is not a factory backed warranty then it is not worth it.

The option is there for every KPM vehicle upgrade or new car purchaser.

Our KPM Care 3 Year Factory Warranty Protection is exactly that. Factory warranty protection for your vehicle available should you upgrade with KPM.
The warranty is a comprehensive, up to vehicle value replacement value, that mirrors the factory coverage and requirements. Added to this cover is any KPM Upgrade or components issue covered.
Mirrorred as per factory warranties, there are common sense clauses that require the customer be aware of.
Fully explained and transperant in our KPM warranty book above and beyond explinations in your Factory warranty book.

In short ,factory denies warranty KPM take it on.

Once again you can take it or leave it however we are offering this exclusively to all our vehicles or upgrades.
Therfore we can claim our new cars as built by KPM out of showroom as having the specs offered with 3 year warranties.

[team illucid]

In short ,factory denies warranty KPM take it on.

Which they will do in most cases.

IMO, you modify you forget warranty. If it lasts all good, if it goes bad, that's part of the game and you should cop it.

Warranty is to offer peace of mind at sale time and justify a cost increase to a base product.

[planetdavo]

The option is there for every KPM vehicle upgrade or new car purchaser.

Our KPM Care 3 Year Factory Warranty Prorection is exactly that. Factory warranty protection for your vehicle available should you upgrade with KPM.
The warranty is a comprehensive, up to vehicle value replacement value, that mirrors the factory coverage and requirements. Added to this cover is any KPM Upgrade or components issue covered.
Mirrorred as per factory warranties, there are common sense clauses that require the customer be aware of.
Fully explained and transperant in our KPM warranty book above and beyond explinations in your Factory warranty book.

In short ,factory denies warranty KPM take it on.

Once again you can take it or leave it however we are offering this exclusively to all our vehicles or upgrades.
Therfore we can claim our new cars as built by KPM out of showroom as having the specs offered with 3 year warranties.

A commendable (and increasingly necessary) move, but as we have seen and read oh so often on this forum, many many owners do not either come to grips with, or accept, the limitations of new car vehicle warranties.
It would take a good read of the fine print (and perhaps the experience of a few examples) to truly understand the good and the bad of the offer. What "seems" to be on offer though is an optional warranty cover, provided by an insurance company at extra cost. Is this true?
If so, it should come with no dollar amount limitations or conditions on getting it serviced at particular workshops for the warranty to remain valid, to be equal to a new car warranty.

[KPM Motorsport]

A commendable (and increasingly necessary) move, but as we have seen and read oh so often on this forum, many many owners do not either come to grips with, or accept, the limitations of new car vehicle warranties.
It would take a good read of the fine print (and perhaps the experience of a few examples) to truly understand the good and the bad of the offer. What "seems" to be on offer though is an optional warranty cover, provided by an insurance company at extra cost. Is this true?
If so, it should come with no dollar amount limitations or conditions on getting it serviced at particular workshops for the warranty to remain valid, to be equal to a new car warranty.

That is correct.
The warranty is optional and upgrade packages are tailored to suit, in options, and on cost should you decide to have factory warranty protection.
Due to the nature of the upgrades and to to maintain warranties accordingly we have selected Holden dealerships and workshops Australia wide to ensure full protection in servicing and maintainace and should any claims arise.

Simply, we are giving a choice that over the years many have enquired and asked for. We are now providing this extra optional service to our KPM customers.

Further more it also requires us to become ever increasingly diligent on delivering a product that keeps the integrity of the vehicle and can be warranted with full confidance .

[Plenty]

the journos mostly use those gps timers which apparently are 2tenths slow...plus they are either testing on normal roads or dirty slipery unused private tarmac somewhere. They admit this. Im sure they guy u question is legit becaue he handles lots of actual magazine comparo cars. He is well known so didnt pop out of know where. Also after all these years there has been plenty of legit F6s go 12.1 12.3 and so on and im sure no mag ever went that quick.

Journos times are usually run on the very same Dragstrips that we use, only they use the GPS based Racelogic Driftbox for timing.

On occasion they do run them elsewhere and gain lower times.

12.4 is not gonna happen in full street trim on a standard 335Kw car!
They're quick but not that quick.

[planetdavo]

All sounds pretty reasonable so far KPM.

One of the big negatives of many insurance based warranties in recent times is that the servicing requirements do not match up with the scheduled service intervals. Eg, they often require 6 monthly servicing, whereas log book servicing is 12 months on most cars now. Bit of a trap (doesn't necessarily relate to your package-just a general comment for people to be aware of).

[KPM Motorsport]

Our warranty requirements are servicing as per manuafacturers vehicle handbook schedules.
The only exceptions are our high end packages eg FG Coyote Streetfighter 500. This car has many upgrade components that in its nature need more regular servicing. Then servicing is required every 6 months.

[team illucid]

All sounds pretty reasonable so far KPM.

One of the big negatives of many insurance based warranties in recent times is that the servicing requirements do not match up with the scheduled service intervals. Eg, they often require 6 monthly servicing, whereas log book servicing is 12 months on most cars now. Bit of a trap (doesn't necessarily relate to your package-just a general comment for people to be aware of).

Paying extra for insurance of a product is different from providing a Warranty. A Warranty is required by law on products, and those products have to be fit for purpose. A warranty on purchased items should not be an additional cost.

Insurance against something going wrong outside the Warranty period, is a whole different ball game.

[Spoolin]

Any chance of getting back on topic, no need to discuss warranty issues or performance upgrades in this thread.

Anyway, collected my GS ute yesterday arvo :smilesandbanana:

Later that evening I had a traffic light derby with a Hazard Yello E3 R8.
Yes, I lead by a car length until we both noted out speed an backed off.
Conversation at the next two sets of lights went like this;

He, wound down his window and asked whats done to it?
I, said nothing, it has 71kms on the clock.
He, yeah but what have you done to it?
I, nothing it's brand new a few hours old and is stock.
He, Ok but what's Ford done? I'm a Holden man and that goes great, what changes have they done.
I, it's a new motor in them now.
He, is it big?
I, Nah only a 5lt, but with a blower from the factory.
He, yeah but it's a ute and light.
I, nah man it's 1800Kg plus and has no traction and you have 6.2lts.
Next set of light's
He, wow I'm impressed and coming from me that's big cos I'm through and through Holden. I'm looking at spend 15K on a Walkinshaw blower kit
I, would you bother, your car has cost a heap plus 15K on top and limited warranty
He, yeah but for 15k I pick up 150kw and get Walky warranty
I, yeah but I'd rather get a new GT.
He, I'm Holden only, but will admit that is fast and looks great. Have fun and be carefull.
Me, Thanks!

Was nice to actualy have someone one eyed appreciate the opposition for what it is not because of the badge it wears.

[Plenty]

ty
I, yeah but I'd rather get a new GT.


Cos you can only drive fast in a straight line. :rofl:

[Spoolin]

Cos you can only drive fast in a straight line. :rofl:

Perfect example of the idiotic steretypical response I would expect from any one eyed person:goodjob:

[planetdavo]

Go easy Spoolin. There are plenty of the type of people you despise on the blue oval forums you realise, regarding Holden product. If you don't want to read Holden slanted input on internet forums, well, there is an easy cure...
PS: What sort of buyer street drags their brand new 71km old car (if it actually happened)? :confused:

[Spoolin]

Go easy Spoolin. There are plenty of the type of people you despise on the blue oval forums you realise, regarding Holden product. If you don't want to read Holden slanted input on internet forums, well, there is an easy cure...
PS: What sort of buyer street drags their brand new 71km old car (if it actually happened)? :confused:

Yes I agree with you Daveo, but it's the type of pigeion holeing I despise.
Why wouldn't I? In the dealers word 'it's run in so drive it hard!'. I have taken this attitude to every brand new car I've had and never had an issue. My reasoning is, I have a brand new car with new car warranty. If it breaks I'll ring roadside assist, get them to tow it to a dealer and ask them to fix it. I doubt my new dealer will turn me away considering the amount of money my business spends with him which will only increase :)
Oh and they have offered to drop a GT tune in at a later date :goodjob:
New car factory warranty is where it's at :1peek:

[planetdavo]

Each to their own Spoolin. Some support that flog it theory, most don't. If they get turned over every couple of years it probably doesn't matter either way, except for the next owner perhaps.

[Evman]

Any chance of getting back on topic, no need to discuss warranty issues or performance upgrades in this thread.

Yeah good job of getting back on topic... Traffic light drags totally equates to a 12.4 1/4 mile. I think the forum was getting more from the warranty conversation, which was actually really interesting.

[Spoolin]

Each to their own Spoolin. Some support that flog it theory, most don't. If they get turned over every couple of years it probably doesn't matter either way, except for the next owner perhaps.

Well holding onto cars for three years or warranty period is an advantage. But it's a performance car and is built to be driven hard, my belief is break it and get it replaced under warranty by the dealer, once it's out of warranty anything that will break has already been replaced in some cases with uprated parts from factory.

Back OT, I'm looking forward to throwing mine on the dyno in a few thousand K's and running the 1/4 mile stock standard. I would also like to run on some DOT's, 1.91 60' footer is pretty slow.

[planetdavo]

Paying extra for insurance of a product is different from providing a Warranty. A Warranty is required by law on products, and those products have to be fit for purpose. A warranty on purchased items should not be an additional cost.

Insurance against something going wrong outside the Warranty period, is a whole different ball game.

My take on it is that's it's an insurance policy providing coverage to a similar level to a manufacturers new car warranty. Since it's purchasable it's clear one is buying an insurance policy against aftermarket modification related failure, rather than a statutory warranty.
It would take legal eagles reading the fine print to perhaps answer that one 100% correctly, but in a similar vein many used cars come with non legal requirement extended "warranty" as a selling tool, provided through insurance companies like Swann, Harrier etc.

[planetdavo]

Well holding onto cars for three years or warranty period is an advantage. But it's a performance car and is built to be driven hard, my belief is break it and get it replaced under warranty by the dealer, once it's out of warranty anything that will break has already been replaced in some cases with uprated parts from factory.


They are built to a price though, and some mechanical sympathy can go a long way.
Manufacturers have limits of acceptance. Cars than have certain indications of abuse are usually rejected for warranty, eg indications of burnouts or racing will usually cause driveline warranty rejection. There's been a few on here with VE diffs caught in that net, and clutches are another old favourite.

[Plenty]

Perfect example of the idiotic steretypical response I would expect from any one eyed person:goodjob:
:rofl:


It's not one eyed at all mate, face facts the FPV like the XR6T has plenty of straight line grunt but lacks serious corner entry and mid corner grip. Not to mention the light floaty rear end when really getting into them!

Shoulda stuck with the Beamer! :hide:

[Martin_D]

I dont reckon Holden/Ford make a car that does handle....none of them are made go around corners fast
Its all about the grunt really, so the fastest straight line time kinda points to the winner!
Shouldnt be too hard or need anymore than bolt ons and some tyres to get one of these blown Falcons to run a 10.

[Evman]

I dont reckon Holden/Ford make a car that does handle....none of them are made go around corners fast

There's always going to be a least worst though :lmao:

[KPM Motorsport]

:rofl:


It's not one eyed at all mate, face facts the FPV like the XR6T has plenty of straight line grunt but lacks serious corner entry and mid corner grip. Not to mention the light floaty rear end when really getting into them!

Shoulda stuck with the Beamer! :hide:

Not the greatest track cars in the world, however this one on testing negotiates a tight track like Mallala quicker than the Brute Utes. Once again with 3 year warranty.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/kpm_2007/KPMFGStreetfighterTesting-1.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/kpm_2007/100Kmhto0testing.jpg
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/kpm_2007/BruteUteTestingComparison.jpg

[Spoolin]

:rofl:


It's not one eyed at all mate, face facts the FPV like the XR6T has plenty of straight line grunt but lacks serious corner entry and mid corner grip. Not to mention the light floaty rear end when really getting into them!

Shoulda stuck with the Beamer! :hide:

You're 100% right, both anything Ford or Holden will get out gunned around corners by a beemer...So what's you're point again?

[cams290]

Journos times are usually run on the very same Dragstrips that we use, only they use the GPS based Racelogic Driftbox for timing.

On occasion they do run them elsewhere and gain lower times.

12.4 is not gonna happen in full street trim on a standard 335Kw car!
They're quick but not that quick.

Roy Velardi from Street Fords begs to differ.


No tricks at all.

Put it in
Performance Mode

No stalling up at all

Left the traction control on.

No tyre pressure changes.

Factory tyres.

8,864km on the clock.

And when the light went green I just nailed the throttle!

Didn't spin the tyres on the 12.4 runs, and I just let it shift all by itself...

I could have tried stalling it up but I believe it would have spun the tyres.

I could have tried shifting it manually and turning the DSC off whilst on the run. Personally I don't think it would have made much difference.

I thought it was best to just run it with no tricks etc so most people out there could replicate it with their car.

Cheers
__________________
Roy Velardi
Editor - Street Fords & Xtreme Fords Magazine

[Plenty]

I dont reckon Holden/Ford make a car that does handle....none of them are made go around corners fast
Its all about the grunt really, so the fastest straight line time kinda points to the winner!
Shouldnt be too hard or need anymore than bolt ons and some tyres to get one of these blown Falcons to run a 10.

I do remember when the VE was released they punted a new SS against an Rex, around a track and through the hills, the results did not favour the Rex.

For a 1800Kg + car they don't go too bad!

Motor BFYB 2010
Wakefield Park

3rd) HSV GXP 1:11.2,
5th) BMW 330D Coupe 1:11.8
6th) Subaru WRX 1:12.1

Not the best handler of the HSV range but like i said a pretty capable car at 1800Kg +




You're 100% right, both anything Ford or Holden will get out gunned around corners by a beemer...So what's you're point again?
I'll add to the above just for you!


Roy Velardi from Street Fords begs to differ.
Apart from the biased one sided magazine, i wasn't doubting the straight line ability, in fact i did state that fact myself. But i do doubt that 1/4 mile time.

[cams290]

Here are some pics from WSID that appeared on Ford Forums, I would think that this car is 100% stock as Roy suggests or if it isn't it wouldn't do Roy's credibility much good, or Street Fords magazine for that matter.


http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/cams290/fggt335.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/cams290/fggt3351.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/cams290/fggt3352.jpg

[Spoolin]

Motor BFYB 2010
Wakefield Park

3rd) HSV GXP 1:11.2,
5th) BMW 330D Coupe 1:11.8
6th) Subaru WRX 1:12.1

Not the best handler of the HSV range but like i said a pretty capable car at 1800Kg +

I'll add to the above just for you!


Are those times and cars correct? Because a 330d would be an oil burner and about an 1800kg car also, btw wrx isn't a great handling car any stretch.

[Plenty]

Not the greatest track cars in the world, however this one on testing negotiates a tight track like Mallala quicker than the Brute Utes. Once again with 3 year warranty.


Once you guys have your little hands on it, it wouldn't surprise me.
When's the VE Streetfighter coming?

[cams290]

Apart from the biased one sided magazine, i wasn't doubting the straight line ability, in fact i did state that fact myself. But i do doubt that 1/4 mile time.

What is there to doubt ?
Here is a list of his runs that night, all within a 10th of each other.



I just ran the car in stock form with
half a tank of BP ultimate
street tyres
full weight (4044lb) without driver

first pass
12.59@113.05mph
2.03 60"

second pass
12.48@113.54mph
1.93 60"

third pass
12.50@113.99mph
2.03 60"

fourth pass
12.48@112.98mph
1.92 60"



Oh, I see...........you think that this particular car has had a special "press/journalist" tune flashed into it ?

Similar to the ones that Holden/HSV used to give to the magazines, and that no one in the real world could replicate !

[LS Kernal]

They come with a twin plate clutch from factory, FROM FACTORY!!!!
These cnuts mean business.

[etrocket]

Nice looking ford above.

[Plenty]

Are those times and cars correct? Because a 330d would be an oil burner and about an 1800kg car also, btw wrx isn't a great handling car any stretch.


Times are correct as printed in the Magazine, correct also it is a BMW 330d Coupe M-Sport.

3.0l in-line 6 Twin turbo diesel! Kerb weight of 1550Kg $100500

Quite a good car actually, drove one not so long ago, great torque and the six speed slusher is nice and smooth just like a BMW should be.
Would be a hard choice between that and the Jag oiler!

I believe from memory it was an STi as well.

[bouka]

The mph is the same as all the magazines have been getting at circa 114mph.

No tricks etc, they are a very quick machine.

Love or hate them, they are fast.

Amazing bang for buck however you look at it.

Surely we can all agree on that!

[Plenty]

What is there to doubt ?
Here is a list of his runs that night, all within a 10th of each other.



Oh, I see...........you think that this particular car has had a special "press/journalist" tune flashed into it ?

Similar to the ones that Holden/HSV used to give to the magazines, and that no one in the real world could replicate !

The problem is how do you/i or anybody else know the legitimacy of the time?
It's all been said on here before with people running "Stock" cars and getting incredible times, wouldn't have been hard to alter the state of tune, wouldn't take much to worm out a couple of tenths.
The below was when the press car did a 12.9, they have potential just not with the 335Kw as stated on the boot sticker!

well HSV people i think it is going to be a little hard to catch these things stock...

12.9 in a manual
328rwkw...

http://www.castlehillexhaust.com.au/files/fpv.jpg

[macca_779]

I do remember when the VE was released they punted a new SS against an Rex, around a track and through the hills, the results did not favour the Rex.

For a 1800Kg + car they don't go too bad!

Motor BFYB 2010
Wakefield Park

3rd) HSV GXP 1:11.2,
5th) BMW 330D Coupe 1:11.8
6th) Subaru WRX 1:12.1

Not the best handler of the HSV range but like i said a pretty capable car at 1800Kg +




I'll add to the above just for you!


Apart from the biased one sided magazine, i wasn't doubting the straight line ability, in fact i did state that fact myself. But i do doubt that 1/4 mile time.

I don't think commys or falcons handle all as bad as some people are saying. I know personally I can carry more corner speed in my old vt with stock suspension than my mate can in his my09 wrx. IMO the newer rexies are rubbish. Underpowered and way to soft. Another mate of mine has an my00 sti. That thing is a blast to drive and certainly out performs me through the twisties.

In the end though, sure a commodore isn't going to touch a gtr in handling capability. But with a little money spent they can be transformed into quite good jiggers.


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[Martin_D]

I know personally I can carry more corner speed in my old vt with stock suspension than my mate can in his my09 wrx.

Get him some driving lessons for Xmas then :)

[macca_779]

Get him some driving lessons for Xmas then :)

Coming Martin. Any retard can drive these things hard.


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[Martin_D]

Coming Martin. Any retard can drive these things hard.

A keyboard or a car? :)

[Dreamer]

I wonder if people would try so hard not to believe this time if a HSV was doing it??

FPV have been quick for along time with the I-6, its nothing new, i just dont get why some people cant just appreciate a good car weather it be a ford, holden, merc or what ever

I for one like the fact the FPV is quick and the pic in this thread of the KPM Fg looks damn mint

Can only imagine whats going to happen when afew get modded and starting running some real quick times with minimal mods (and it will happen no doubt, considering the 60ft listed imagine a decent stall and some drag radials + cooler and more boost)

Congrats on who ever owns said FPV GT, they have a nice quick car with a factory warranty, and if im correct matching some high end european cars for straight line performance

[Plenty]

I wonder if people would try so hard not to believe this time if a HSV was doing it??

FPV have been quick for along time with the I-6, its nothing new, i just dont get why some people cant just appreciate a good car weather it be a ford, holden, merc or what ever

I for one like the fact the FPV is quick and the pic in this thread of the KPM Fg looks damn mint

Can only imagine whats going to happen when afew get modded and starting running some real quick times with minimal mods (and it will happen no doubt, considering the 60ft listed imagine a decent stall and some drag radials + cooler and more boost)

Congrats on who ever owns said FPV GT, they have a nice quick car with a factory warranty, and if im correct matching some high end european cars for straight line performance

If someone said a stock 325KW GTS did a 12.4 1/4 mile i don't think the reaction would be any different, If we didn't appreciate cars i doubt we would be on a forum devoted to performance of said cars.

[ssv402]

its a weapon!

[Dreamer]

If someone said a stock 325KW GTS did a 12.4 1/4 mile i don't think the reaction would be any different, If we didn't appreciate cars i doubt we would be on a forum devoted to performance of said cars.

Why do i get the impression your trying to disprove the time one said 335SC GT has ran?? Not wanting to start an argument and i understand you cant believe everything you read on the internet but why would someone want to lie about it, they have nothing to gain by saying it ran a 12.4 if it didnt.

[CLUBRED]

I don't want to get involved in the arguement over the times etc (anyways, where i went to school tha time would be rounded to 12.5), but I do have to ask about the warranty on this ford though, would it infact be covered under warranty like most are saying - I know my handbook states it is only covered if the car is driven under normal circumstances.

[Plenty]

Why do i get the impression your trying to disprove the time one said 335SC GT has ran?? Not wanting to start an argument and i understand you cant believe everything you read on the internet but why would someone want to lie about it, they have nothing to gain by saying it ran a 12.4 if it didnt.

12.4 1/4 mile from a 335 Kw car:confused: sorry but that doesn't compute IMO.
From an FPV of all things, not really known for their launch qualities.

[Spoolin]

I don't want to get involved in the arguement over the times etc (anyways, where i went to school tha time would be rounded to 12.5), but I do have to ask about the warranty on this ford though, would it infact be covered under warranty like most are saying - I know my handbook states it is only covered if the car is driven under normal circumstances.

And who determines 'normal'? The car is a performance car no doubt, built for speed and power. Why wouldn't it be covered under warranty? A mate has had his fair share of diff's and half shafts replaced under warranty by Ford and they never have bat an eye lid and it's modded.


12.4 1/4 mile from a 335 Kw car:confused: sorry but that doesn't compute IMO.
From an FPV of all things, not really known for their launch qualities.

Why doesn't it compute? It has the MHP with a slow 60' footer, you don't need to be a rocket scientist. And we all know since day dot Ford has under estimated their badges while Holden has over estimate. When was the last time you drove a performance FG Falcon?

Some people ought to pull their heads out the sand :1peek:

[Plenty]

And who determines 'normal'? The car is a performance car no doubt, built for speed and power. Why wouldn't it be covered under warranty? A mate has had his fair share of diff's and half shafts replaced under warranty by Ford and they never have bat an eye lid and it's modded.



Why doesn't it compute? It has the MHP with a slow 60' footer, you don't need to be a rocket scientist. And we all know since day dot Ford has under estimated their badges while Holden has over estimate. When was the last time you drove a performance FG Falcon?

Some people ought to pull their heads out the sand :1peek:

under estimate:confused: 330RwKw + for a stock car supposedly meant to have 335 at the crank..... common....

I have driven both and test driven an FG F6 & XR6 Turbo before i bought both of my cars, for so long Ford has trailed in the performance area, now all of a sudden they get these great drivetrains like the Turbo 6 and now the blown 5.0L and it's the be all and end of all of performance in Australian cars,
I've said it before and i'll say it again, they go great in a straight line but then you throw in change of direction, something to un weight the rear end and the FG sucks in comparison to a VE. Plus how can a performance car have a driving position comparable to a bloody bus.

There's a reason Commodore outsells Falcon nearly 3:1, i'll let you work out why.

[mrtockley]

It's exactly the same as the GTR that for years flogged everything with 'only' 206 kw's. Are you all pissed because these FPV's are flogging the HSV's or because Ford are 'fibbing' about the actual power these GT's have?

Speaking of warranties, how do any of the GTS's go with warranty claims after they've been flogged around the tracks and lunched using the launch control that's actually 2 of the selling points? It's no different to running a GT down the 1/4. These cars are meant to be run hard, that's why they have over 300 kw's!

P.S, my dealer told me to flog my VE when I picked it up and after 4,000 kays it ran up 234 rwkw's at Chev's. Not bad for an auto..

[Plenty]

It's exactly the same as the GTR that for years flogged everything with 'only' 206 kw's. Are you all pissed because these FPV's are flogging the HSV's or because Ford are 'fibbing' about the actual power these GT's have?

Speaking of warranties, how do any of the GTS's go with warranty claims after they've been flogged around the tracks and lunched using the launch control that's actually 2 of the selling points? It's no different to running a GT down the 1/4. These cars are meant to be run hard, that's why they have over 300 kw's!

P.S, my dealer told me to flog my VE when I picked it up and after 4,000 kays it ran up 234 rwkw's at Chev's. Not bad for an auto..

I don't think anyone is pissed off, just querying the "stockness" of the car in question.

BMW E60 M5 12.5 373Kw
Cadillac CTS-V 12.3 410Kw
Jaguar XFR 12.9 375Kw
M-B E63 AMG 13.0 386Kw

Motor Mag
FPV GT 13.3 335Kw

Ford street mag
FPV GT-P 12.4 335Kw
:confused:
Which one do you believe?

[mrtockley]

I don't think anyone is pissed off, just querying the "stockness" of the car in question.

BMW E60 M5 12.5 373Kw
Cadillac CTS-V 12.3 410Kw
Jaguar XFR 12.9 375Kw
M-B E63 AMG 13.0 386Kw

Motor Mag
FPV GT 13.3 335Kw

Ford street mag
FPV GT-P 12.4 335Kw
:confused:
Which one do you believe?

Well as you know, 1/4 mile times are affected by numerous factors right down to humidity and temp on the day, fuel quality, tyre pressures etc..

However improbable, it is entirely possible that a stock GT/P could pull those times if you consider that from the string of recent dyno figures from these Miami's, don't really add up to the badge numbers. Either that or Ford have an exceptionally low drive train loss!

As far as MOTOR's testing goes, like most others here, it's testing doesn't hold a lot of weight for me. The fact that they can pull a 13.4 from a stock SS but only get a 13.3 from a GT and a 13.5 from an R8 doesn't add up.

[Martin_D]

It's exactly the same as the GTR that for years flogged everything with 'only' 206 kw's. Are you all pissed because these FPV's are flogging the HSV's or because Ford are 'fibbing' about the actual power these GT's have?

That was mainly because the fibs were being told the 'other way' ie VN Commodore 5.0 being rated at 165kw and making 100kw at the treads etc. Also the Neesan didnt use tobacco tins for brakes or old amish cart pieces for suspension. So it was faster - everywhere - and also three times the price

The Falc is different here as it DOES share its chassis DNA with a buckboard sulky has the braking power of a Malvern Star, and still goes like manure off a shovel. Like seriously whats going to be faster....a boosted 5.0 or an NA 6.2? One shouldnt need to get the ouija board and summons Einstein to furnish a response, the figures are right in front of you.

[ratter]

Question to Martin

You have probably more to do with the SC FGGT than anyone here, do you belive the time is genuine of a stock car, allowing for torque management etc to work as per standard?

[310gen]

I don't think anyone is pissed off, just querying the "stockness" of the car in question.

BMW E60 M5 12.5 373Kw
Cadillac CTS-V 12.3 410Kw
Jaguar XFR 12.9 375Kw
M-B E63 AMG 13.0 386Kw

Motor Mag
FPV GT 13.3 335Kw

Ford street mag
FPV GT-P 12.4 335Kw
:confused:
Which one do you believe?

You better believe it whether you like it or not mate. I own one, and I can tell you it made 312rwkw, and ran 12.71 @ 114 mph , 1.95 60ft , 30deg heat, 2000 odd ks on the clock, sunroof, aftermarket boxed subwoofer in the boot and street tyres. Any way you want to look at it, thats what they run, and like i said befor, on a cold night with more ks on the clock and a decent launch, they will run 12.5 easy. So stop trying question what they run standard, they are the real deal.

[mustanger]

This is my analysis:

1.There is no way these engines are 335 at the flywheel :teach::up2sum:

2.A lot of people on here can`t appreciate a good car when they see one.:eyes:

3.These supercharged Coyote engines are a good thing .:thumbsup:

4. Qtr mile times are always going to vary.:confused:

End of rant......:dancenana:

[Speedy Gonzales]

TLike seriously whats going to be faster....a boosted 5.0 or an NA 6.2? One shouldnt need to get the ouija board and summons Einstein to furnish a response, the figures are right in front of you.

Its not rocket science which is faster

[KPM Motorsport]

Yes.

This car defiantely runs anywhere from 12.5 to 13s out of factory given several attempts and favourable conditions.
The GTs have anywhere from 300 -315 kw at the treads standard, with a sharp and accurate shifting transmission. Tyres arent great so thare may be more left in it.
How do we know. We tested our own GS before developing our upgrades.

[Martin_D]

Question to Martin
You have probably more to do with the SC FGGT than anyone here, do you belive the time is genuine of a stock car, allowing for torque management etc to work as per standard?

Yes I believe so.
Now we - Herrod Motorsport - have transmission control of these via the A6 they will get even faster tune-only. I would really expect an 11.5 with stock everything and some DRs on the back. The power to weight suggests it will happen soon rather than later. Watch this space :)

[ratter]

That is probably the most complete answer any doubters should pay attention to :goodjob:

and considering what KPM have tested etc only adds support to what these cars are capable of

[Evman]

It makers perfect sense. The mph vs rwkw is accurate, and it's a BLOWER strapped to a V8. Superchargers on the L98 are making up around 400rwkw, so even a heavily detuned blown 5L is going to push serious numbers. For one of these to produce a legitimate 335fwkw it would have to run all of 2psi.

[Spoolin]

Plenty, I understand you are not a frim believer, this is a choice you have made to deny everything being put froward including logical and mathematical reaponses not theories like yours.

If you've followed the Australian car scene for many years, it's well known that Holden has in most cases over estimated and Ford under estimated power being produced.
You say Ford has trailed in the performace area for years, well I agree they have when it comes to the V8 segment, but you seem to forget the BA Falcon was a weapon in it's day, against anything Holden threw at it. We all know the old modular Boss motor was a bit of a dud and very costly to make go fast hence I think poor sales except for those poor one eyed people.
Now I've spent in total around 130,000k's behind the wheel of a VY,VZ and 2 VE's and around 30,000k's of a Falcon, to be honest the Commodores are probably a softer ride until pushed so great around town but my old FG XR6T was fantastic around the twisties of Melbourne, I'm yet to test the GS as I've only got 406k's on the clock and still learning how to punt around a blown V8.

You're right once again, there is a reason you see more Commodore based
V8's on the road and it's simple mathematics, go check out the price differences between them and you'll understand. I could have purchase a VE SSV Redline with some extras on it for probably 8K less, but I didn't want to be another sheep in a Commodore plus I've had too many of them recently oh and I like the fact I have build number 190 so the FPV's are a little more exclusive. BTW, take away fleet sales and you'll probably see the Mazda 3 is clear leader.

[duke5700]

Tuned VE's like say Fish's car are running 113-114mph with a set of pipes and an intake. So being generous, 260rwkw give or take a few.

These fords have between 280rwkw and 310-320rwkw and running 114mph.. take into account the torque being pulled out of the first few gears the numbers are bang on. Remove the torque stuff and no reason why 11's and 118-120mph with decent rubber isn't off the cards. Bout the same region as a good cam only VE.

Its a blown 5Litre FFS... your going to have to strangle the life out of it to keep the power down. Even if you get the old Holden 5L donk and stick 6-7psi down its throat from a turbo and the things make 250rwkw. FI is winning.

[whitels1ss]

Anyone seen a "TUNED" Walkinshaw Supercharged Clubby on the track? :)

[Plenty]

Plenty, I understand you are not a frim believer, this is a choice you have made to deny everything being put froward including logical and mathematical reaponses not theories like yours.

If you've followed the Australian car scene for many years, it's well known that Holden has in most cases over estimated and Ford under estimated power being produced.
You say Ford has trailed in the performace area for years, well I agree they have when it comes to the V8 segment, but you seem to forget the BA Falcon was a weapon in it's day, against anything Holden threw at it. We all know the old modular Boss motor was a bit of a dud and very costly to make go fast hence I think poor sales except for those poor one eyed people.
Now I've spent in total around 130,000k's behind the wheel of a VY,VZ and 2 VE's and around 30,000k's of a Falcon, to be honest the Commodores are probably a softer ride until pushed so great around town but my old FG XR6T was fantastic around the twisties of Melbourne, I'm yet to test the GS as I've only got 406k's on the clock and still learning how to punt around a blown V8.

You're right once again, there is a reason you see more Commodore based
V8's on the road and it's simple mathematics, go check out the price differences between them and you'll understand. I could have purchase a VE SSV Redline with some extras on it for probably 8K less, but I didn't want to be another sheep in a Commodore plus I've had too many of them recently oh and I like the fact I have build number 190 so the FPV's are a little more exclusive. BTW, take away fleet sales and you'll probably see the Mazda 3 is clear leader.

Price difference between what mate? A GT is cheaper than a GTS, and XR6T cheaper than an SS-V!
I never mentioned fleet sales, even with no fleet sales the Commodore will still outsell the Falcon.
FPV has sold 432 vehicles in the first three month of 2011 while HSV has sold 911 vehicles. Both figures include exports to New Zealand.
My point from the start was that a 335Kw car is not going to pull a 12.4, if they are coming from factory with 100+ more Kw than the boot badge is saying then it's no surprise, that was the point i was trying to make!

[duke5700]

Just because the badge says 335kw.. it doesn't say anything about making 335kw for 90% of rev range..

Power under the curve, alah HTV blower which is its specialty, combined with software to control it so it has some chance of getting the power down..

[whitels1ss]

Just because the badge says 335kw.. it doesn't say anything about making 335kw for 90% of rev range..

..

Yeah just like the 290kw Boss motor, it may well have had 290 at the top but the 240kw XR6 Turbo was a quicker car AFAIK!

[Phizzle]

Just because the badge says 335kw.. it doesn't say anything about making 335kw for 90% of rev range..

Power under the curve, alah HTV blower which is its specialty, combined with software to control it so it has some chance of getting the power down..

Someone give this man a steak, a beer and a medal.

SPOT ON BUDDY :goodjob:

[Spoolin]

Badge means absolutely nothing.

Why did my stock FG XR6 Turbo make 238rwkw when rated at 270kw and only a few minutes later a VE SSV struggled to make 220rwkw yet rated at 260kw and it's had it's rear cans removed?
And has been mentioned, why did the 290kw Boss motor rated 20kw more than the I6T run a second slower down the qarter mile

Sheesh man, do you believe everything you read?

[STATIE]

Just took one of these things for a thrash (thanks Nick).
Are they 12 second cars? absolutely.

The only thing holding them back from being even faster is the tune and the torque management between gears.

[Dreamer]

I would like to see a dyno graph from a new GS/GT overlayed with a dyno graph from a GTS/Clubby just for comparison of the different power curves, would help people see why the GT can be so quick

Boost + DOHC = Win, look at the RB/2jz/I6T motors from nissan/toyota/ford

[310gen]

Just took one of these things for a thrash (thanks Nick).
Are they 12 second cars? absolutely.

The only thing holding them back from being even faster is the tune and the torque management between gears.


Thanks Greg, anytime mate.:beer:

[planetdavo]

There's been so much batting off over times in this thread that I hope all those concerned were at the sperm bank making donations...:confused:
Most buyers really don't give a sh!t about all this, no matter which brand is faster. Good on Ford for spending a mint developing this motor, but the reality is that the rest of the package and the desirability of a HSV pulls the numbers sales wise.

[ssv 427]

i couldnt care how good it is ide still have a hsv over one of them, the hsv ticks all the box's for me and if they bring out a supercharged factory puppy, well lets just say they will sell as fast as they will go :)

[mustanger]

Just took one of these things for a thrash (thanks Nick).
Are they 12 second cars? absolutely.

The only thing holding them back from being even faster is the tune and the torque management between gears.

I have driven a few now and I must agree:yup:

I think Holden/HSV have some real serious competition on their hands for a change.:teach:They will have to up the anti on their next model , if they want to be the performance benchmark for Aussie made cars.

[Plenty]

I have driven a few now and I must agree:yup:

I think Holden/HSV have some real serious competition on their hands for a change.:teach:They will have to up the anti on their next model , if they want to be the performance benchmark for Aussie made cars.

See this is the whole arguement!
Who bases their opinion of the best sports car simply by straight line grunt?
As much as i would love the HSV to regain the 0-100km/h trophy, i would still buy the HSV well cos.... it's a better car! HSV still out sells 2.5:1 so obviously they are doing something right!

[mustanger]

See this is the whole arguement!
Who bases their opinion of the best sports car simply by straight line grunt?
As much as i would love the HSV to regain the 0-100km/h trophy, i would still buy the HSV well cos.... it's a better car! HSV still out sells 2.5:1 so obviously they are doing something right!

Yes , maybe the HSV is the better car ..............BUT........in the ALL important DYNO wars :jester:and Street Light races:jester:.......it will lose....:)

[Plenty]

Yes , maybe the HSV is the better car ..............BUT........in the ALL important DYNO wars :jester:and Street Light races:jester:.......it will lose....:)

At the risk of sounding like PD:jester: how many owners of HSV/FPV strap their cars to a dyno and flog the ringer outta them?

[team illucid]

The more important question is how many people (Ford or Holden) who are moderately interested in drag racing, are interested in 12.4 quarters anyway - maybe 12 years ago when the VT came out it was the ballpark but not anymore surely?

I will be impressed when ANY aussie made car hits the road from factory with an 11 sec pass.

[jsme]

I just cant get over the seating position in the FG's. Cant see the speedo because I'm a tall fat shit. Feels like I'm sitting on top of the car and not in it.

[macca_779]

See this is the whole arguement!
Who bases their opinion of the best sports car simply by straight line grunt?
As much as i would love the HSV to regain the 0-100km/h trophy, i would still buy the HSV well cos.... it's a better car! HSV still out sells 2.5:1 so obviously they are doing something right!

Is it really a better car. The e3 is good don't get me wrong. But the majority of us here are interested in the drivetrain as that is what we modify mostly. This is where the gt smashes all hsv's presently. The interior has pros and cons for both brands. Dynamics aren't that far apart, yet the hsv's are slightly better. The key area I look at is valve for money. The gt drivetrain clearly wins here and is why I would choose one.


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[macca33]

I agree - the Ford product has a cracker driveline and is producing the goods, however, I also see jsme's point - the driver seating is deplorable in its lack of adjustment and ALWAYS has been in Fords, since EA.

To some, the driving experience does extend further than just pure grunt...

[185iboy]

I just cant get over the seating position in the FG's. Cant see the speedo because I'm a tall fat shit. Feels like I'm sitting on top of the car and not in it.

Agreed. It's something that takes getting used to after a couple of thousand k's and then you forget about it...but every time I jump into the front of a late model Commodore first thing I think is woah this is much better.

[mrtockley]

I agree - the Ford product has a cracker driveline and is producing the goods, however, I also see jsme's point - the driver seating is deplorable in its lack of adjustment and ALWAYS has been in Fords, since EA.

To some, the driving experience does extend further than just pure grunt...

Yeah the seating position in Fords is shit, but then again, having to dodge left and right around my tree trunk A pillar every time I go around a right hand bend is just as deplorable.

I did over 160,000 kays in 2 years driving a BA XR8 and XR6T from Narre to Moe every day and although the seating was too high, it wasn't the worst place to spend an hour driving..

All of this talk about Fords / FPV's only going quick in a straight line makes me wonder where all of the Holden / HSV drivers are flogging the competition in the twisty stuff? Who here on this forum takes there car to track days? And I don't mean the drags. I would hazard a guess that over 90 % of the cars on this forum would ever see anything more than the odd traffic light Grand Prix. These cars after all are tested at places like Lang Lang and the outback with the primary focus being comfort and reliability, they're not sports cars tested at the Nurburgring, they are big heavy family sedans with V8's based off taxi's and fleet cars!

[Martin_D]

FFS get over it. Yes the Ford is betterer, fasterer, etc.
These cars are crap for track days. The KPM 500 million kilowatt terminator fighter thing shows this. Its as fast around our local track as a stock EVO X with 217kw at the crank or Sti for that matter, and in isolation thats probably a reasonable result.

These cars are not meant to go around the track. They are meant to sell to fleets and cab companies. These discussed variations happen to have a lot of grunt. That does not make them a complete car. It makes them funny to drop a skid in for your mates, or drive to work in knowing its got some stick :)

[pah]

Hi Guys,

The owner of Autotech in Granville drives an FG 335kw FPV. He says there's plenty of room to liberate kilowatts locked up by the factory tune.

Motor and Wheels mags on occasions have tested the new Ford V8S/C and the turbo 6 in the same mag. The turbo with the auto box is often a tad quicker than the V8S/C. Dunno why.

I bought a book over Christmas - "The World's Supercars". Many of them run 0-100 in 5 sec or 6 secs and the quater in 13 secs or more. Times have changed. Our cheapie local products now make mincemeat of those times.

Standing quater times may mean something to those who take their cars to the strip. Street performance is pretty much limited to 0-100 - if we want to keep our licences. And that means that the FPV V8S/C has no advantage over a HSV. Accoridng to the articles I have read, the HSV is quicker through most increments to 100kmh.



PAH

[Martin_D]

Motor and Wheels mags on occasions have tested the new Ford V8S/C and the turbo 6 in the same mag. The turbo with the auto box is often a tad quicker than the V8S/C. Dunno why.

Thats easy. Turbo > Supercharger - its always been the way :)

[planetdavo]

Thats easy. Turbo > Supercharger - its always been the way :)

As has the need to dial up a heap of driveline hammering revs in a turbo motor to get a fast time, so you can beat the big weakness of the turbo motor, the lack of low rpm grunt.

[Martin_D]

As has the need to dial up a heap of driveline hammering revs in a turbo motor to get a fast time, so you can beat the big weakness of the turbo motor, the lack of low rpm grunt.

Wa?
Directly from FPV for their F6 - 565Nm from 1950rpm to 5200rpm
Directly from HSV for their E3 - 550Nm @ 4600rpm

Looks like only one peaky engine with no low down grunt there ;)

You cant beat the torque of a turbo engine Davo. Nothing can

[Xjas]

Thats easy. Turbo > Supercharger - its always been the way :)

Is thats why top fuel cars all run turbochargers....?:confused:

[planetdavo]

C'mon Martin, if you get past your regular style of posting you will be well aware that the flat low rpm throttle response and time waiting for boost on a turbo motor robs valuable time, not to mention making driving in traffic a little annoying really.
Even if it's a slower car, I much prefer the sharper low rpm response of either a NA motor or a supercharged motor, not to mention the much better sounding exhaust notes. Most of us hit idle a fair bit in our daily driving, rather than all this racetrack type stuff...:yup:

[Martin_D]

Is thats why top fuel cars all run turbochargers....?:confused:

Turbochargers are banned from Top Fuel - too much power and torque :idea:
Turbochargers are banned from most forms of Motorsport as they make the cars too fast.

A 12,000hp quad turbocharged 800Ci fueller would be awesome. There probably wouldnt be a human capable of driving it though :bow:

[Xjas]

Turbochargers are banned from Top Fuel - too much power and torque :idea:
Turbochargers are banned from most forms of Motorsport as they make the cars too fast.

I see they are making a return in F1 soon.

[Martin_D]

Yes the new Green regulation 2013 1600cc four cylinder engines. Most are quietly confident of 650+hp from these things :)
Will be awesome to see these things in action

[planetdavo]

Turbochargers are banned from Top Fuel - too much power and torque :idea:
Turbochargers are banned from most forms of Motorsport as they make the cars too fast.

Or more correctly that they can be too easily modified for illegal boost increases...
Re the top fuellers, can we all imagine a world where that air ripping sound they make is put through the hairdryer first? Formula 1 will be the same if these ridiculous new rules are introduced in 2013...:spew:

[Martin_D]

Thats your opinion
I reckon turbo engines sound - much - better than normally aspirated engines :idea:

[seedyrom]

That sounds like a bit tin foil hat type stuff Davo. Illegal modifying being the main reason to ban use ??!?

My ol' mate wikipedia will step in now :)


From the 70's:
The power range was between 390 hp (290 kW) to 500 hp (370 kW), turbos 500 hp (370 kW) to 900 hp (670 kW) in race, in qualifying up to 1,500 hp (1,120 kW).


From the mid 2000's:
In 2006 Toyota F1 announced an approximate 740 hp (552 kW) output at 19000 rpm for its new RVX-06 engine, but real figures are of course difficult to obtain.



Turbo is king :bow: of the grenade

[Xjas]

A 12,000hp quad turbocharged 800Ci fueller would be awesome. There probably wouldnt be a human capable of driving it though :bow:

I'd go with 6, a 1 into 2 compounding set up the same as racing diesel trucks ues, one set of 3 on each bank for over 100 psi boost but the virtually uncontrollable torque rise would make traction impossible.

[planetdavo]

Plenty of rules govern motorsport seedy (and marty).
F1 went to a common ECU because it was getting too hard to bust engine sensor detected wheelspin, which translates to illegal traction control being fitted. Plenty of smart people push the envelope in motorsport. If they think they can get away with something they will try, so yes, illegal type stuff fella...:yup:

[Martin_D]

I'd go with 6, a 1 into 2 compounding set up the same as racing diesel trucks ues, one set of 3 on each bank for over 100 psi boost but the virtually uncontrollable torque rise would make traction impossible.

Isnt Blowers Burnouts and Boobs the answer for all the worlds problems?
Traction is for shift lifters.
Bring on the Nats I seen sum good skids there

[Xjas]

I reckon turbo engines sound - much - better than normally aspirated engines :idea:

Not sure about that, as far as F1 is concerned both have there own destictive sound and both are good, I think I'd like to hear a turboed v8 F1 singing its way to 19000RPM.

[Martin_D]

Not sure about that...

Lets talk real world, compare your ride to this, one of our cars - 1000hp at 9000rpm and tell me what sounds better.
YouTube - Mt Alma Mile R32 GTR

Davo would piss his pants and faint from pure gut wrenching fear if this thing launched next to him :)

Point is any weak restricted engine sounds like pox, whether its turbo/sc/or atmo. Start to make some power per cubic inch and they all sound good.

Anyway none of this is adding anything to the original thread title.
Someone bolt some tyres on one these blown things and run a 10 already!

[Xjas]

Isnt Blowers Burnouts and Boobs the answer for all the worlds problems?
Traction is for shift lifters.
Bring on the Nats I seen sum good skids there

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

[Xjas]

Lets talk real world, compare your ride to this, one of our cars - 1000hp at 9000rpm and tell me what sounds better.
YouTube - Mt Alma Mile R32 GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX4aAw1vA9I)

Davo would piss his pants and faint from pure gut wrenching fear if this thing launched next to him :)

Point is any weak restricted engine sounds like pox, whether its turbo/sc/or atmo. Start to make some power per cubic inch and they all sound good.

Anyway none of this is adding anything to the original thread title.
Someone bolt some tyres on one these blown things and run a 10 already!

I thought we we talking F1 sound but yes, your 1000hp, 9000rpm 6 pot sounds nice.

[Spoolin]

As has the need to dial up a heap of driveline hammering revs in a turbo motor to get a fast time, so you can beat the big weakness of the turbo motor, the lack of low rpm grunt.


C'mon Martin, if you get past your regular style of posting you will be well aware that the flat low rpm throttle response and time waiting for boost on a turbo motor robs valuable time, not to mention making driving in traffic a little annoying really.
Even if it's a slower car, I much prefer the sharper low rpm response of either a NA motor or a supercharged motor, not to mention the much better sounding exhaust notes. Most of us hit idle a fair bit in our daily driving, rather than all this racetrack type stuff...:yup:

Who are you kidding? How many turbo charged cars have you built or owned to form such a rediculous opinion? I'ts all in the right foot and the brain, if your brain can not compensate for the small amount of lag in an FG XR6T, you shouldn't be driving it. I'm still getting used to the power delivery of the GS after getting out of a not particularly slow, but rev happy BMW and the XR6T.
A mate had his mind made up he wanted an SSV Redline, test drove one of his mates SSV's last weekend. Threw my keys at him and his response was 'I'm going to ring XXX and tell him to trade his SSV on a GS'. In his opinion he said the SSV had no grunt in comparison and no fun factor.
PD, you have my number would you like to drive my GS so you can form a factual opinion rather than regurgitating the utter BS you always do? BTW, if you're 6'2" and weigh 120+kg the driving position will be uncomfortable.

[Martin_D]

Who are you kidding? How many turbo charged cars have you built or owned to form such a rediculous opinion?

Back it off Spoolin give the guy a break.
Davo once drove an Epica Turbo Diesel and street raced it comprehensively :bow:

[Evman]

That's more like the Street Tuna we all miss :lol:

[Martin_D]

At your service :bow:

[whitels1ss]

At your service :bow:
Come on Martin, Change your username back to "Street Tuna"....
You know you want to...:)

[ratter]

some of the members are starting to remind me of the Black knight on Monty Pythons search for the holy grail, fighting to the very end, "It's only a flesh wound"

[Martin_D]

some of the members are starting to remind me of the Black knight on Monty Pythons search for the holy grail, fighting to the very end, "It's only a flesh wound"

The difference being that was funny :)

[ratter]

Fair call, but I'm starting to see this as funny how one eyed people can be, I know it happens both sides of the fence, but I'll laugh anyway

[Plenty]

Lets talk real world, compare your ride to this, one of our cars - 1000hp at 9000rpm and tell me what sounds better.
YouTube - Mt Alma Mile R32 GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX4aAw1vA9I)


Sounds like bumble bees in a milo tin!:jester:

[Martin_D]

Thats power you are hearing son :)

[Plenty]

A mate had his mind made up he wanted an SSV Redline, test drove one of his mates SSV's last weekend. Threw my keys at him and his response was 'I'm going to ring XXX and tell him to trade his SSV on a GS'. In his opinion he said the SSV had no grunt in comparison and no fun factor.


Pretty sure, actually i'm positive when having a real go, as in not at a set of traffic lights the redline is going to be ALOT more fun and competent.

It's funny that everytime the journalists drive the Turbo 6 or the SC V8 FPV's they are gobsmacked by the power but they always want to go home with the HSV. Maybe they have a more subjective look at it, maybe they are like the 90% of the rest of the buyers out there and buy a car for the complete package not just if they're gonna win the race to the merging lanes!

[Dreamer]

I still couldnt bring myself to buy one either , have always been a holden fan all my life it just doesnt feel right having a ford. Although i havent driven one and probally wont for awhile due to my age, i dont think dealers would want to let me go for a drive

The black KPM Streetfighter is the closest thing to swaying me in favour of a Ford, cause it just looks similar to me car...black and big yellow brakes

[cams290]

As has the need to dial up a heap of driveline hammering revs in a turbo motor to get a fast time, so you can beat the big weakness of the turbo motor, the lack of low rpm grunt.

You my friend have no idea, the above statement proves on how much of a tool you actually are.

[Spoolin]

Pretty sure, actually i'm positive when having a real go, as in not at a set of traffic lights the redline is going to be ALOT more fun and competent.

It's funny that everytime the journalists drive the Turbo 6 or the SC V8 FPV's they are gobsmacked by the power but they always want to go home with the HSV. Maybe they have a more subjective look at it, maybe they are like the 90% of the rest of the buyers out there and buy a car for the complete package not just if they're gonna win the race to the merging lanes!

The fact remains, that none of us actualy need this amount of power for the street, it's all about want and nothing else :) I disagree, 90% of buyers will first set a budget and in most cases neither fall into the budget for a mum n dad scenario.
Is there any reason why it's about the handling? I would say 99% of HSV's sold will never see a track with corners and if you wanted to carry 4 adults and be quick around a track would you pick a HSV or FPV over say an EVO 10?
At the end of the day it's all bout street cred and pissing contests. Without FPV, HSV would have a monopoly and would more than likely cost more and offer less and vice versa...This is fantastic for the Aussie performance buyer no doubt!

[whitels1ss]

I would rather a 6.2 litre with simple mods like this than the Falcon. :goodjob:
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=147487&highlight=simon.w

[Xjas]

At the end of the day it's all bout street cred and pissing contests. Without FPV, HSV would have a monopoly and would more than likely cost more and offer less

That is very true.

[Evman]

At the end of the day it's all bout street cred and pissing contests.

No, at the end of the day it's all about personal preference.

[seedyrom]

It's funny that everytime the journalists drive the Turbo 6 or the SC V8 FPV's they are gobsmacked by the power but they always want to go home with the HSV.
Yet every comparison on Top Gear, there will be a Lamborghatti Fasterello with 4,000HP, exquisite leather seats made from panda skin, traction control that slowly shifts the earths rotation when used, yet Jeremy Clarkson will choose the Whateverelsi Blandiscimo because it has a slightly better contour on the entrance to the cup holder.


Journalists know not to bit the hand that feeds them.

[Plenty]

The fact remains, that none of us actualy need this amount of power for the street, it's all about want and nothing else :) I disagree, 90% of buyers will first set a budget and in most cases neither fall into the budget for a mum n dad scenario.
Is there any reason why it's about the handling? I would say 99% of HSV's sold will never see a track with corners and if you wanted to carry 4 adults and be quick around a track would you pick a HSV or FPV over say an EVO 10?
At the end of the day it's all bout street cred and pissing contests. Without FPV, HSV would have a monopoly and would more than likely cost more and offer less and vice versa...This is fantastic for the Aussie performance buyer no doubt!

100% agree that they need competition i just think more focus on fixing things like the power down/seating position etc would go alot further than just whacking a power house (as good as it is) in the engine bay IMO.

It's definately not about the handling, in my book handling rates higher than straight line grunt for safety reasons.
To answer your question i would pick an F6 or GT over an EVO anyday of the week, you can't replace the size and space that our Aussie cars give, and still punt an STi around the hills (in the dry anyhow).

[Plenty]

Yet every comparison on Top Gear, there will be a Lamborghatti Fasterello with 4,000HP, exquisite leather seats made from panda skin, traction control that slowly shifts the earths rotation when used, yet Jeremy Clarkson will choose the Whateverelsi Blandiscimo because it has a slightly better contour on the entrance to the cup holder.


Journalists know not to bit the hand that feeds them.

So Holden/HSV for some reason outbid Ford for the winning rights in all the mags and online guides?

common! :confused:

[Martin_D]

To answer your question i would pick an F6 or GT over an EVO anyday of the week, you can't replace the size and space that our Aussie cars give, and still punt an STi around the hills (in the dry anyhow).

A very good driver with a lot of tarmac rally experience might be able to gap a beginner in an STi/EVO in the hills. Same driver though the gap should be night and day. Which is why you never really see Falcons or Commodores do anything of any note in Tarmac rallying (which is the legal version of driving fast in the hills) :)

[planetdavo]

You my friend have no idea, the above statement proves on how much of a tool you actually are.

Cheers! :lmao:
So, a low compression smaller capacity turbo motor waiting to get a few revs on board is better than a NA high comp larger capacity motor off idle...? :confused:
Yeah, go champ...:goodjob:

[planetdavo]

A very good driver with a lot of tarmac rally experience might be able to gap a beginner in an STi/EVO in the hills. Same driver though the gap should be night and day. Which is why you never really see Falcons or Commodores do anything of any note in Tarmac rallying (which is the legal version of driving fast in the hills) :)

Does anyone do a tarmac rally on their way to work each day? :confused:
All the cars mentioned have a place in the world, just the jap all wheel drive rockets are specifically targetted at a very narrow audience, whereas the larger options are more mainstream. One shouldn't put down large cars just because they don't like them for their own individual circumstances, as most buyers do need practicality and a fair degree of comfort for their daily ride, not a bucking bronco detuned race car that'll make the kids throw up.

[Martin_D]

just the jap all wheel drive rockets are specifically targetted at a very narrow audience, whereas the larger options are more mainstream.

You might want to compare say Subarus 2010 WRX Sales figure globally with that of say GM and the VE/G8 platform. One would outnumber the other by around 10:1. I wont give you a hint which way though :)

[ratter]

The FG XR6 turbo makes boost at fairly low revs

[planetdavo]

You might want to compare say Subarus 2010 WRX Sales figure globally with that of say GM and the VE/G8 platform. One would outnumber the other by around 10:1. I wont give you a hint which way though :)

So, how many more countries are those cars currently sold in compared to VE? :confused:
I wont give you any hints though. :goodjob:

[Martin_D]

I dont know Davo I was too busy Tarmac Rallying on my way to work :lol:
Its ok to admit you dont know - everything :)

[whitels1ss]

Does anyone do a tarmac rally on their way to work each day? :confused:

I thought this thread was only about the standing 1/4 mile time of the Falcon? :confused:

(That is the legal version of street drags.) :jester:

[Martin_D]

Ok so a dead stock Falcon runs a 12.4 second 1/4 mile. Thats pretty good IMO
With our new transmission programming that should knock 1/2 a second alone off that time, all with stock engine tune...so low 11s/high 10s should be there for the taking :cool:
You will be impressed when I show you the software Ratter

[tmob]

Ok so a dead stock Falcon runs a 12.4 second 1/4 mile. Thats pretty good IMO.....


Something else that is pretty damn good - a post relative to the topic.
:goodjob:

Seriously tho, I have to agree - a 12.4sec dead stock falcon is pretty damn good.....

[macca_779]

Cheers! :lmao:
So, a low compression smaller capacity turbo motor waiting to get a few revs on board is better than a NA high comp larger capacity motor off idle...? :confused:
Yeah, go champ...:goodjob:

Who expects performance at 700rpm? Get a diesel FFS if you do. Give it a thou more davo to be realistic seriously. And yes the turbo has better low end torque. Except at idle where it apparently matters.


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[ratter]

You will be impressed when I show you the software Ratter

Don't worry mate, I'll be there when you take the course.

One of my customers has been for a drive in Robs G6ET and was impressed he believes his own car was more powerful than Robs, but Robs trans felt a lot better.

I'm hanging to get it into the wifes G6ET

[Martin_D]

Great news Ratter :)
We have been working very hard on the software, and believe that its one of the vital keys to the new supercharged engines performance

[ratter]

Robs been keeping me in the loop, as much as he can, I think this is the missing link on these 6 speed auto's

[monaro327]

sounds like arse i'm a hearing specialist i have some free slots coming up pm for my details. lolz.



Lets talk real world, compare your ride to this, one of our cars - 1000hp at 9000rpm and tell me what sounds better.
YouTube - Mt Alma Mile R32 GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX4aAw1vA9I)

Davo would piss his pants and faint from pure gut wrenching fear if this thing launched next to him :)

Point is any weak restricted engine sounds like pox, whether its turbo/sc/or atmo. Start to make some power per cubic inch and they all sound good.

Anyway none of this is adding anything to the original thread title.
Someone bolt some tyres on one these blown things and run a 10 already!

[planetdavo]

Who expects performance at 700rpm? Get a diesel FFS if you do. Give it a thou more davo to be realistic seriously. And yes the turbo has better low end torque. Except at idle where it apparently matters.


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If the world of turbo's was simply so perfect then there wouldn't be one single person out there saying how they appreciate the immediacy of a NA motor's throttle response compared to just about any turbo motor...:rolleyes:

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[whitels1ss]

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Great sig. planetdavo! :goodjob::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[planetdavo]

Great sig. planetdavo! :goodjob::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Got to try and add some humour to what was and still is simply a batting off thread! :lmao:

[duke5700]

Different strokes for different folks really PD. Turbo spool just gives the n/a guys a chance to feel good about themselves.

I don't know why we are even talking about lag.. it not like is a 700 roller of a SR20 engine which needs 5000rpm on board before it makes decent boost. Cubes and boost. Its the best of every world.

[planetdavo]

All variants have their pro's and con's, be it NA, turbo, or supercharged.

[Spoolin]

If the world of turbo's was simply so perfect then there wouldn't be one single person out there saying how they appreciate the immediacy of a NA motor's throttle response compared to just about any turbo motor...:rolleyes:

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How about the immidiacy of a blown v8? Oh that's right...you haven't driven the vehicle in question yet your opinion is the only one that counts...
I'll dangle my keys in front of you once again...If you have the courage to drive it :rofl:

[macca_779]

All variants have their pro's and con's, be it NA, turbo, or supercharged.

Davo your ridiculous posts just prove you've never driven a turbo v8. Get some farking time up moron.


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[planetdavo]

Davo your ridiculous posts just prove you've never driven a turbo v8. Get some farking time up moron.


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I was never talking about modified cars spud. Perhaps it's time to go back to school and relearn your education, as this thread was always about a stock car from the beginning, the subject I was talking about...:idea:
:goodjob:
This thread was a :jerk: off from the beginning, and it's still a :jerk: off now.
:spew:

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[Uncle Tone]

:goodjob:
This thread was a :jerk: off from the beginning, and it's still a :jerk: off now.
:spew:

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........and yet you're still :jerk: posting :lol:

:hide:

[planetdavo]

How about the immidiacy of a blown v8?

A supercharged V8 will have better throttle response than a turbo V8, because it's a belt driven blower, rather than having to wait for a turbo to spool up.
So, as I said, there are pro's and con's to any installation. A larger capacity NA motor, having larger capacity and no boost requirements for high compression, should have more "immediacy" than either, particularly at lower, non high boost revs. It just may lack the pants creaming explosion of "grunt" some like from increasing boost though...:lmao:
So, this is part of the reason the HSV's keep taking wins in comparisons, as it's not all about pants creaming grunt explosions to real world buyers. Many like the nice progressive throttle and performance of non-boosted motors, rather than the "pleasure" of on boost wheelspin every time they hit a wet road...:bawl:

[bouka]

The new FPV has more "immediacy" at low, medium and high rpm. It shits all over the LS3 at every rpm range, maintains brilliant drivability in all conditions. It will also turn tyre on request (easily controlled via throttle input).

The only wank fest in this thread is the posting of some of the usual suspects.

Anyone who has not experienced any of the mentioned products should not be posting with any certainty about their merrits as it becomes pure conjecture and idle wank.

Nothing wrong with offering an opinion, but surely if you have not spent some time behind the wheel of a particular car then you cannot bag it based on biased speculation.

All aspects of high performance motors are enjoyable in my opinion, n/a, turbo or Superchargers of all types.

The supercharged FPV's are a bloody brilliant thing and the et is what it is.

[Spoolin]

So you're admitting you can't handle a turbo or supercharged vehicle because in you word they have uncontrollable wheel spin? Maybe it's through your lack of real world experince you are afraid of these power plants. As I keep saying unboosted cars are boring to drive, very boring!

Once again PD, you'll gain much more respect of your posts if you stop regurgitating media reports, we all know cash for comments is rife.
Form your own opinion not just adopt some else which is easy to do....Dangle, Dangle, Dangle...My keys are still waiting for you to pluck up enough courage!

[C4B]

It's funny how the same people who bitch about the forum going to shit are the very same ones who have yet again killed another thread with chest beating and name calling.