Walkinshaw catback on VT-VZ anyone?

[ebbett21]

Has anyone heard, or have a Walkinshaw catback on there VT-VZ ? I do know Walkinshaw have a system for VT-VZ , can anyone comment, do they have similar sound as on a VE?? Have tried searching but a relatively unheard of system on the VT-VZ.

Cheers

[09holden]

I'd be keen to hear if anyone has this system too! Doesnt seem to be to popular?

[iverson76ers]

I was just looking at one yesterday on ebay and wondering the same thing

[VTR8Clubby]

I've got a twin 3" on mine. It sounds as good or better than any other setup I've heard. Mine is coupled with 1 3/4 Pacemaker extractors, 3" stainless Pacemaker cats and a 220 220 cam. When I added 243 heads and bumped up the compression to about 11:1 it made it a bit louder again.
The best part was I picked it up for under $1000 as Walkinshaw was clearing excess stock earlier in the year. I'm pretty sure they can still be bought for around $1300 which is on par with some cheaper systems. It is a quality exhaust with perfect welds and the billet tips look good as well.
Here are pics before I fitted it.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s92/holdenchris/SNC00155.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s92/holdenchris/SNC00156.jpg

[white lie]

Seem to appear more common lately (probably due to the ebay specials) but still not as popular as the usual suspects...
Don't really know why, made by HM, so they will be good quality but I guess HM systems are never as common for some reason either?

Don't mind the billet tips

[Millsy]

Looks like a polished Twin 3" X-Force with Walkinshaw tips to me

[macca_779]

Looks like a polished Twin 3" X-Force with Walkinshaw tips to me

HM make this gear

[09holden]

I've also heard they are only made from 409 stainless??? not sure if there is any truth in this!

[Soopy]

Looks like a polished Twin 3" X-Force with Walkinshaw tips to me

Ditto. Certainly doesn't look like anything worth writing home about.

[VP_Wagon]

If HM make these are they the same as buying a HM one?

[VXSS9180]

They are still advertising these on ebay for $990.00 for the 3" cat back system and $890.00 for the 2 1/2".

[OMR346]

Looks like a polished Twin 3" X-Force with Walkinshaw tips to me

I thought the same thing. Except the rear flange bit. I do like the tips though.

[BennyMac]

I've also heard they are only made from 409 stainless??? not sure if there is any truth in this!

Only made in 409 stainless......

[hotbox]

sound file needed, tips look tuff:nyuk:

[Soopy]

sound file needed, tips look tuff:nyuk:

Would sound similar to an Xforce system I reckon.

Those "X" pipes are fuggen gay.

[ebbett21]

million dollar question, is what do they sound like? Looking at the picture it has X Pipe and kind of looks like a xforce system with walky tips

[Soopy]

million dollar question, is what do they sound like? Looking at the picture it has X Pipe and kind of looks like a xforce system with walky tips

Cut the crappy xpipe out of the xforce systems and they actually have a pretty decent note.
Otherwise they sound like a V6 on steriods IMO.

[ebbett21]

Cut the crappy xpipe out of the xforce systems and they actually have a pretty decent note.
Otherwise they sound like a V6 on steriods IMO.

Is it the X Pipe that give that raspy note, as same other brands are made with H Pipe

[Soopy]

Is it the X Pipe that give that raspy note, as same other brands are made with H Pipe

Yerp, replace that X with a H or straight pipes and you'll get a proper split pulse sound.
Some people wank on over HP but for a street car you wont notice a difference and those "X" pipes are a joke anyway, they're just 2 45degree bends with the arse cut out and welded together. Probably cause more of a blockage then anything.

[VTR8Clubby]

gee. There's a lot of hate here from people who have never heard the system.
It sounds nothing like an x force and is made extremely well.

[Soopy]

gee. There's a lot of hate here from people who have never heard the system.
It sounds nothing like an x force and is made extremely well.

I wasn't really "hating" on that system, I guessed that it would sound similar to the Xforce item due to the fact that it is, very very similar. Then made the comment that they (IMO) can be made to sound allot better without that Xpipe.

[VTR8Clubby]

I wasn't really "hating" on that system, I guessed that it would sound similar to the Xforce item due to the fact that it is, very very similar. Then made the comment that they (IMO) can be made to sound allot better without that Xpipe.

no worries. It really is nothing like an x force sound wise.

[Soopy]

That can only be a good thing.

[VTR8Clubby]

That can only be a good thing.

exactly. and I'm yet to hear an x force that doesn't drone.

[Soopy]

exactly. and I'm yet to hear an x force that doesn't drone.

I'm yet to hear an Xforce that doesn't sound like a cow being fed through a mulcher...

[09holden]

Think we need a sound clip! anyone out there got one of these setups?

[VTR8Clubby]

what's the easiest way to get a decent sound file to upload. I wouldn't think my phone would pick up sound the best and my video recorder probably wouldn't be much better. I'll give it a go tomorrow if I get a chance.

[white lie]

Just because it looks like another brand's system, don't assume they're the same mufflers as these will dictate the note more than anything.

[VX_INT]

My xforce doesnt drone but i have no cats....

[09holden]

Would be great if you could get a clip!


what's the easiest way to get a decent sound file to upload. I wouldn't think my phone would pick up sound the best and my video recorder probably wouldn't be much better. I'll give it a go tomorrow if I get a chance.

[ebbett21]

How come Walkinshaw don't market these catbacks more, as im sure at the price they are selling, they would be a good buy,.im not after one now, im happy with custom flowmaster single system.

[berroca]

exactly. and I'm yet to hear an x force that doesn't drone.

my x force twin 3" never droned. and i know a few other people that have them that dont drone either


I'm yet to hear an Xforce that doesn't sound like a cow being fed through a mulcher...

mine sounded tough as. i've heard plenty of other "brand" exhaust systems that sound shit though.

[Soopy]

my x force twin 3" never droned. and i know a few other people that have them that dont drone either



mine sounded tough as. i've heard plenty of other "brand" exhaust systems that sound shit though.

Sound is a subjective thing, as is drone. I had an Xforce system and hated it.
They all sound the same. (VE systems baring for obvious reasons).

[kangavxss]

My xforce doesnt drone but i have no cats....

No cats - then your poisoning everyone that drives behind you...

[vr5speedv6]

As Soopy said, that x pipe setup looks pretty identical to an xforce.

I've got a H pipe setup on my xforce twin 3" and its a big sound improvement.

[Soopy]

As Soopy said, that x pipe setup looks pretty identical to an xforce.

I've got a H pipe setup on my xforce twin 3" and its a big sound improvement.

Yep I did it to my old mans SS, he has my old Xforce system, Cut the BS Xpipe out of it and the sound is 100% better, still thrashy, but that's mainly because the mufflers are shit. The pulsing note is allot better.

3zubP3gB94M

I'm catching up with him on Friday, so I'll get a video of it from inside the car under load. Sounds allot better then with that POS Xpipe. Bottom end torque seemed to pick up a bit too. (By which I mean, it felt a little stronger off idle, no proof either way. Just the butt dyno)

Here's the X"

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/suprauc/S7300680.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/suprauc/S7300684.jpg

[klink]

Sound is a subjective thing, as is drone. I had an Xforce system and hated it.
They all sound the same. (VE systems baring for obvious reasons).

well given i have had a twin 2.5 x-force with no drone and now have brocks twin 3 inch on my car and that doesnt drone either.

Only time i have heard a x-force drone was in an auto.

aand having seen one of these walkinshaw twin 3 inch in person yesterday the workmanship and welds are sweet and look nothing like the x-force exhaust i have on mine

[vr5speedv6]

Damn you mind giving it a rev!:eyes:
Sounds great though, alot more ballsy than the Xpipe.
Look forward to hearing the interior shot!

[Soopy]

Damn you mind giving it a rev!:eyes:
Sounds great though, alot more ballsy than the Xpipe.
Look forward to hearing the interior shot!

Meh, it was warm, barely touched 5k with no load on it... :p

This is exactly the same system on my SS with the X pipe in it if you're interested.

o5W1kxGWu0M

[BR05CK]

So Soopy. When you cut out the x pipe as in photo. Did you weld up a new section???? Or do something else.
Cheers.

Sounds good 

[Soopy]

So Soopy. When you cut out the x pipe as in photo. Did you weld up a new section???? Or do something else.
Cheers.

Just got two bits of pipe, put a small flair on either end so that the original pipe would slide into it a little, and welded them in as straight pipes, no balance pipe.

Took maybe half an hour and cost $15 for some flanges.

[A PSYCHO]

A real X pipe perhaps?

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr222/NJCCORP/LS3/274.jpg

p.s. that VX sounds ****ing horrible now...

[Soopy]

A real X pipe perhaps?

p.s. that VX sounds ****ing horrible now...

As I said, sound is a subjective thing.

[ebbett21]

My 2 cents, a twin 3'' on a LS1 without a cam does sound s@#t house, two big drain pipes with the exhaust flow slows , twin 2.5'' xforce sound alot better than the twin 3'' xforce, on a LS1 of course, add a cam...twin 3'' is a different kettle of fish,

[VTR8Clubby]

I did couple of clips with my phone. The one I did free revving and then accelerating sounds pretty bad so I won't post it up. Here is the drive by one which just sounds ok. My nephew took one on his phone as well so I'll try and get that later.
Drive by with Walkinshaw twin 3" - YouTube

Soopy. Yours sounds good.
The only thing with mine is, when you free rev it like that, it makes a bit of a "fluttery" sound as the revs drop back quickly. It also does it when I change gears after winding it out a bit. It's a hard sound to describe. I'd consider having the x removed if it would get rid of it, but it will probably make louder and more prone to drone as well.

[Soopy]

I did couple of clips with my phone. The one I did free revving and then accelerating sounds pretty bad so I won't post it up. Here is the drive by one which just sounds ok. My nephew took one on his phone as well so I'll try and get that later.
MWCGK6mVR8s

Soopy. Yours sounds good.
The only thing with mine is, when you free rev it like that, it makes a bit of a "fluttery" sound as the revs drop back quickly. It also does it when I change gears after winding it out a bit. It's a hard sound to describe. I'd consider having the x removed if it would get rid of it, but it will probably make louder and more prone to drone as well.

Dads was better on the drone front without the Xpipe, also lost the little farty sound on decell.

[evl.346]

hard acceleration vid ?

[VTR8Clubby]

hard acceleration vid ?

Sorry. The one I did sounds like ass(due to using phone) so I won't put it up. I'll see if my nephews one sound any better when I see him.

[VTR8Clubby]

This one sounds better but it was still just from a phone. The vid makes it sound a bit tinny but it doesn't normally.
Twin 3" Walkinshaw Catback. - YouTube and
Twin 3" Walkinshaw Catback - YouTube

[Soopy]

That sounds a hell of a lot like my old Xforce system to me.

[BennyMac]

The x-force vids sound like total crap. The VX has to be the worst system i have ever heard.
The VT sounded very nice.

[RARASV8]

The x-force vids sound like total crap. The VX has to be the worst system i have ever heard.
The VT sounded very nice.

totally agree

Garry

mind you i just bought a REDBACK catback for a few hundred, and hope it sounds alright

[klink]

Soopy, what is the rest of the exhaust system extractors and cats wise cause those video's dont sound anything like the x-force systems i have heard. are the cars bolt ons or cammed etc

if people are going to try and compare the systems we need full details.

ive had redback cat back (h-pipe twin 2 1/4 into single 3)on stock cats with 1 3/4 4-1 and that wasnt bad bolt on, was nicer with cam. then went to a twin 2.5 x-force sounded better then swapped the factory cats for 200cpi metal sub cats was better note at idle and alot crisper at 3000rpm upwards then went to a s/s twin 3 x force and that sounds better again only one that droned was the redback.

but from all of the above the thing that changed the sound the most was swapping the factory cats to metal core at 200cpi.

[Soopy]

Soopy, what is the rest of the exhaust system extractors and cats wise cause those video's dont sound anything like the x-force systems i have heard. are the cars bolt ons or cammed etc

if people are going to try and compare the systems we need full details.

ive had redback cat back (h-pipe twin 2 1/4 into single 3)on stock cats with 1 3/4 4-1 and that wasnt bad bolt on, was nicer with cam. then went to a twin 2.5 x-force sounded better then swapped the factory cats for 200cpi metal sub cats was better note at idle and alot crisper at 3000rpm upwards then went to a s/s twin 3 x force and that sounds better again only one that droned was the redback.

but from all of the above the thing that changed the sound the most was swapping the factory cats to metal core at 200cpi.

Standard everything except the cat back. I'd have said otherwise.

[Soopy]

The x-force vids sound like total crap. The VX has to be the worst system i have ever heard.
The VT sounded very nice.

Not wrong, Hate them with a passion. There's a reason why my old man got it for nothing. All I was saying is that IMO it sounds better without the Xpipe in it.

Like, Mulched cow > Cow with gun shot wound sort of better.

[A PSYCHO]

The x-force vids sound like total crap. The VX has to be the worst system i have ever heard.
The VT sounded very nice.

totally agree, VT sounded quite nice too.

[VendeTTR]

After watching all the vids in this thread, im glad i bought a Walky system, that VT Clubby sounds the goods.

When mine is fitted ill get up some vids, its an auto for comparisons sake.

[Toddler78]

Meh, it was warm, barely touched 5k with no load on it... :p

This is exactly the same system on my SS with the X pipe in it if you're interested.

o5W1kxGWu0M


Yep I did it to my old mans SS, he has my old Xforce system, Cut the BS Xpipe out of it and the sound is 100% better, still thrashy, but that's mainly because the mufflers are shit. The pulsing note is allot better.

3zubP3gB94M

I'm catching up with him on Friday, so I'll get a video of it from inside the car under load. Sounds allot better then with that POS Xpipe. Bottom end torque seemed to pick up a bit too. (By which I mean, it felt a little stronger off idle, no proof either way. Just the butt dyno)

Here's the X"

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/suprauc/S7300680.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/suprauc/S7300684.jpg


put the x pipe back in........ the only person that that sound would appeal to would be a deaf person.

[VXSS346]

I reckon most on here would agree, that VX sounds bloody horrible. :spew: Cheap and nasty. :spew:

Sounded heaps better with the X pipe fitted. :idea:


The VT sounds nice. :goodjob:

[vr5speedv6]

You guys that think the X delete (I'd go a H myself) sounds shit have really bad tastes, or maybe hearing impaired:confused:
Anything with that much of a merge between banks is going to kill the v8 note, especially at low rpm.
And if you think it sounds heaps better with the xpipe you might as well go all the way and get a 3.5" single!

[Millsy]

Im about to do a comparison between my single 3.5" Sureflo and a twin 3" XForce

Before and after sound clips of idle, cruising/drone, WOT, etc.

Car is a H/C 5.7L with DF 1 3/4 extractors and 100cpi 3" cats

[ls1vt209]

That VX has the clap, the HQ clap.

I had a system put on while mine was being painted years ago and it had no X pipe, the worse sounding LS1 for a day I have ever heard.

[Toddler78]

You guys that think the X delete (I'd go a H myself) sounds shit have really bad tastes, or maybe hearing impaired:confused:
Anything with that much of a merge between banks is going to kill the v8 note, especially at low rpm.
And if you think it sounds heaps better with the xpipe you might as well go all the way and get a 3.5" single!

are you serious!?!?!? that was the worst sounding V8 I have ever heard, the point to a nice v8 sound is the deep tone not a loud tinny resonance.

one thing a LS1 will not be able to beat a aussie 5L on is the note the 5L could give out. THe LS1 sounds like sh1t with out and exhaust (ie drags) or no cats or apparently in this case no merge pipe

[VY5.7LTR]

amen brother

that VX sounds like a B & S ute needs truck stacks & mudflaps.

[Toddler78]

amen brother

that VX sounds like a B & S ute needs truck stacks & mudflaps.

truck stack would probably make it sound better

[vr5speedv6]

are you serious!?!?!? that was the worst sounding V8 I have ever heard, the point to a nice v8 sound is the deep tone not a loud tinny resonance.

one thing a LS1 will not be able to beat a aussie 5L on is the note the 5L could give out. THe LS1 sounds like sh1t with out and exhaust (ie drags) or no cats or apparently in this case no merge pipe

If that's the worst v8 you've heard, you need to get on youtube more!
X pipes are not known to give a deep tone, more of a higher pitched exotic, raspy sound.
If you look at the DF systems (which many consider the best sounding on the vt-vz), you'll see they've designed it with the two pipes just touching, so hardly any merge between the two banks.
Totally agree with the holden 5.0 been the v8 sound king, they even sound good with a single:bow:

[klink]

After watching all the vids in this thread, im glad i bought a Walky system, that VT Clubby sounds the goods.

When mine is fitted ill get up some vids, its an auto for comparisons sake.

So true champ, i cant wait to hear yours in person so that i can give a true opinion based on personal experience not only from outside the car but from a drivers point of view.

[Soopy]

You guys that think the X delete (I'd go a H myself) sounds shit have really bad tastes, or maybe hearing impaired:confused:
Anything with that much of a merge between banks is going to kill the v8 note, especially at low rpm.
And if you think it sounds heaps better with the xpipe you might as well go all the way and get a 3.5" single!

I agree, Starting to wonder about some blokes on here.

Xpipe's make them sound like a thrashy v6...

[VY5.7LTR]

You guys that think the X delete (I'd go a H myself) sounds shit have really bad tastes, or maybe hearing impaired:confused:
Anything with that much of a merge between banks is going to kill the v8 note, especially at low rpm.
And if you think it sounds heaps better with the xpipe you might as well go all the way and get a 3.5" single!


I agree, Starting to wonder about some blokes on here.

Xpipe's make them sound like a thrashy v6...

My hearings fine lads :jester:.

If I wanted a LS1 to sound like a old carbied V8 I would of bought one instead.
As we have all said, Exhaust sounds is very opinionated but each to there own.

If you think the Xpipes are the only thing that determines the sound then you'd be wrong.

Everything in an exhaust contributes to the sound, whether that be type of metal used, muffler size construction and placement, cat size and CPI, type and size of headers...... the list goes on.

Cheers,

[VXSS346]

Starting to wonder about some blokes on here.

I was thinking the same thing. :lol:

[Toddler78]

So true champ, i cant wait to hear yours in person so that i can give a true opinion based on personal experience not only from outside the car but from a drivers point of view.

:driving::burnout::nyuk:

[klink]

:driving::burnout::nyuk:

nah couldnt do that, not my car. Plus i am getting too oldd for that shit

[Toddler78]

nah couldnt do that, not my car. Plus i am getting too oldd for that shit

:limpy::stick: