VE 4 Cylinder Commodore

[v8dude78]

Story in todays Herald Sun cars guide says that holden boss Mike Devereux is looking at making a 4 cyl commodore again :confused:

"we want to make it even more fuel-friendly. the next generation products (are likely to have) four-cylinder products, maybe sixes and eights as well"

Gezz i hope they dont :vpo:

Sorry cant find a link to the story maybe someone else can :)

[VYSHSV8]

Story in todays Herald Sun cars guide says that holden boss Mike Devereux is looking at making a 4 cyl commodore again :confused:

"we want to make it even more fuel-friendly. the next generation products (are likely to have) four-cylinder products, maybe sixes and eights as well"

Gezz i hope they dont :vpo:

Sorry cant find a link to the story maybe someone else can :)
Just add it to the worst holdens made list now :)

[mmciau]

CRUZE!!!!!!


Or if he is serious, a turbo 2litre petrol plus a 2 plus litre LPG plus a a 2 litre 4 cylinder diesel.

He is going to have to cover Falcon and the 4 cylinder they (FORD) are about to release.

And nullify the Euro and Asian CRD Diesels


Mike

[SpawnRobb]

Story does sound off.....But if it is the case... I hope its the best damned 4 cylinder ever, if it ends up happening...

[awesome _vzss]

You think they would have learnt from the first time around.:slap:
So I take it the sidi v6 isn't as good one fuel as stated.

[v8dude78]

Here ya go best i could do
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab72/v8dude78/scan0010.jpg

[nikola]

I think that there is a market for cheaper, slower and more fuel efficient Commodores and Falcons. If you look at the base model 6 cylinder Ford especially, it get's to 100km/h in less than 8 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in the 14's (I believe). Which is great but not really required. People who want practicality and cheaper running costs will accept 0-100km/h in 10+ seconds. Look at all those small size SUV's, like the RAV 4, Forester, etc. They are slow and gutless and very boring but, for someone who just wants to get from A to B, they are fast enough.

Bring on the 4 cylinder Commodores I say.

[Woteva]

Commodore needs to downsize. It has turned into a bloody lard ass!

[Woodchukka]

A second bite of the 4 cylinder commodore cherry? They must be daft. Fool me once sham on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Maybe a larger capacity turbo diesel 4 cylinder so torque loss in such a large car would be minimized.

[mustanger]

Bring back the starfire 4....:teach:

[1BEAST2NV]

rats with wings.........


waste of time, commodore did'nt get a name from ther shiit box 4 cyl back in the day why try again now, there cars are too heavy for a 4 cyl unless they chop the prick in half or compress the current commodore, BUT then its not a commodore is it!!!!!!


If I wanted a 4 banger, sure as hell wouldnt be a commy thats for sure...., plenty of quick cheap turbo models around.

[A^K^T]

Bring back the starfire 4....:teach:

They aren't all bad , the con rods in them were a usefull upgrade for a 186.
As for a 4 pot VE ........... it would need to be a usefull engine in the real world.

[sjhugh]

holden boss Mike Devereux is looking at making a 4 cyl commodore again

I can hardly wait.

[LowVp]

if it was to go diesel i would imagine it would be around the 3L turbo, its got the torque to do the job and if they wanted to make that a bit better give it lpg as well which would give some more performance back to it

[GPT]

With today's technology a low boost turbo 4 would still be a decent unit in Commodore.

We have come along way since Starfire:goodjob:

[WLDLS1]

Bring back the starfire 4....:teach:

misfire 4. lol:)

[planetdavo]

This story was NEVER going to appeal to an enthusiast forum.
It might appeal to mainstream buyers though.

[macca_779]

The 3L is a piece of shit now and they want a smaller engine. FFS if they were serious about economy developing a hybrid or fitting a diesel would be alot smarter.

[VYSHSV8]

The 3L is a piece of shit now and they want a smaller engine. FFS if they were serious about economy developing a hybrid or fitting a diesel would be alot smarter.

Yep haven't they figured out heavy car and small engine don't work.
They only become more economical once up and running and in cruise mode..

Stop start in traffic with an air con running will use more fuel than a v8

[Martin_D]

Story in todays Herald Sun cars guide says that holden boss Mike Devereux is looking at making a 4 cyl commodore again :confused: Gezz i hope they dont :vpo:


If you dont like it.....dont buy one :idea:

[IJ.]

A twin charged 4cyl might work but as others have noted weight is against it and any fuel saved in steady stae operation will be lost accelerating the mass from standstill, LOL'd @ the MissFire4 I was around for them and what a joke! (seem to remember they were as crap in the much lighter T130 Corona's that suffered them as well)

[v8dude78]

If you dont like it.....dont buy one :idea:

yep your right martin :goodjob:
but what's your thoughts on holden putting a 4cyl in a commodore :idea:

[fishla]

I've got one of these already!! :p

[planetdavo]

I'm not so sure some of the posters actually read the story...
It talks about next generation, lighter Commodore models.

[IJ.]

I'm not so sure some of the posters actually read the story...
It talks about next generation, lighter Commodore models.

I'll believe that when I see it Davo, since 78 they've gotten heavier/fatter each year.

It started life as a Mid size car with the Kingswood being their full size car, now it's the fullsize car I can't see them rebadging something like the Cruise as a Commodore.

[sjhugh]

I'm not so sure some of the posters actually read the story...
It talks about next generation, lighter Commodore models.

Yeah I read recently Holden were talking of using aluminium panels in a desperate bid to shed some weight in the next generation Commodore.

To be serious and make any real difference from the current model, the car will have to spend a few years as a contestant on the ‘Planets biggest Loser’.

[seldo]

Yes - the story spoke of alloy panels and also aerodynamic undertrays to improve fuel economy

[Party Pete]

It will still be too big though but then any downsizing would have to wait until the next all new model, if we get one. As has been said here before, a decent diesel would make a lot more sense. For some strange reason GM just doesn't seem to believe in diesels.

[VH-COM]

The 80's Commodore with starfire was a little lighter car than the 2.85 L and 3.3 L sixes and of course the bent eights of the day.
As well as drivetrain being smaller and lighter it was sitting on 13 inch dia rims and smaller brakes.
I guess if the upcoming Falcon ecoboost gets around OK then Holden will look closer at the option.

[VL Executive]

As well as drivetrain being smaller and lighter it was sitting on 13 inch dia rims and smaller brakes.

They were Torana wheels from memory.



"we want to make it even more fuel-friendly. the next generation products (are likely to have) four-cylinder products, maybe sixes and eights as well"


Umm, Whats he mean by "maybe" sixes and eights as well. :confused:

The same article was in this mornings Courier mail cars guide liftout. Soon as I saw the article it brought back memories of the old Starfire 4 cyl. And Im sure others will remember too, Not really the impression Holden would be hoping for.

http://m1.ikiwq.com/img/xl/doaXfEzu13J1rwigYiHLXa.jpg

[IJ.]

Don't know how much truth there was to it but I was told by Holden back then that the shell's didn't get as many welds or reinforcing as the 6's and 8's when I tried to buy one.

[Xjas]

I think that there is a market for cheaper, slower and more fuel efficient Commodores and Falcons. If you look at the base model 6 cylinder Ford especially, it get's to 100km/h in less than 8 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in the 14's (I believe). Which is great but not really required. People who want practicality and cheaper running costs will accept 0-100km/h in 10+ seconds. Look at all those small size SUV's, like the RAV 4, Forester, etc. They are slow and gutless and very boring but, for someone who just wants to get from A to B, they are fast enough.

Bring on the 4 cylinder Commodores I say.

I think you've hit the mail on the head, not everyone wants a fast car, 4 cyl Camrys sell heaps, I wont buy one but I dont have a problem with Holden selling them, something like a small turbo, direct injection 4 pot or a diesel sound like a smart move for holden.


Yeah I read recently Holden were talking of using aluminium panels in a desperate bid to shed some weight in the next generation Commodore.


I think I read the government was giving Holden a heap of cash to make the Commodore lighter and therefore more fuel efficient, So I'd like to thank the federal government for improving the lap times of my next SS commodore:goodjob:

[planetdavo]

All these comparisons with the old starfire engine are simply a waste of time and energy.
That car was from a different era that heavily penalised or restricted the use of imported components (like better engines), and Holden was on the road to bankruptcy toward the mid 80's, so they had no money to develop a better 4 cyl either.
It's really just peoples ingrained hatred of the idea that is speaking. I think we all know that if the Ecoboost Falcon proves to be more than capable, some of the same people will be sh!tcaning Holden for not doing the same...

[Spoolin]

Somebody wake me up...I agree with PD.

Some people need to pull your heads out of your arses. No point dragging up the history of the starfire as it's completely irrelevent to today's technology.

[IJ.]

All these comparisons with the old starfire engine are simply a waste of time and energy.
That car was from a different era that heavily penalised or restricted the use of imported components (like better engines), and Holden was on the road to bankruptcy toward the mid 80's, so they had no money to develop a better 4 cyl either.
It's really just peoples ingrained hatred of the idea that is speaking. I think we all know that if the Ecoboost Falcon proves to be more than capable, some of the same people will be sh!tcaning Holden for not doing the same...

I know from reading your posts you enjoy playing devil's advocate and going against the flow but do you really think for a minute any of us actually care about this enough to have "ingrained hatred"?

For my part it was a light hearted dig at the concept of a small engine in a fat car which no matter how well done is never going to achieve what is being aimed for without a HUGE redesign and weight savings.

Life on Planet Davo must be a serious affair. ;)

[Woodchukka]

All these comparisons with the old starfire engine are simply a waste of time and energy.
That car was from a different era that heavily penalised or restricted the use of imported components (like better engines), and Holden was on the road to bankruptcy toward the mid 80's, so they had no money to develop a better 4 cyl either.
It's really just peoples ingrained hatred of the idea that is speaking. I think we all know that if the Ecoboost Falcon proves to be more than capable, some of the same people will be sh!tcaning Holden for not doing the same...

I recon that there are some fantastic 4 cylinder engines out there and all internal combustion engines are improving. But to put a 4 cylinder in a current Commodore it would need to go on a real good diet.

However bagging Holden for not fitting a 4 cylinder to the Commodore. Um no... no I wont.

[Marco]

Maybe if there is to be another Commodore Four, it would benefit from a different name and slightly revised styling etc as a differentiator?

I suspect that in many peoples' minds, Commodore = thirsty no matter what the reality of it may be, and Commodore four = slow because a Commodore is a big car and a four is a small engine. Remember that it takes a long time to change peoples' perceptions, and very few people follow cars as closely as we do.

So maybe Holden needs to build this car, but under a different name. It seems to work for Toyota with the Camry and Aurion being the same car under different names.

[POCOCK]

i think 4 cyl direct injection turdo deisel would be a great addition something along the lines of the 3ltr found in the collorados and dmaxs would be the way to go bulk torqe and the colorado weighs about the same as a ve and there still quite pockie when empty and great for fuel consumption in town or on the highway towing

[ADAM 26]

the best thing about the 4 cylinder commos is the 4:11 diff gears! lol.

[VYBerlinaV8]

4 cylinder commodore? Let's wait and see what they come up with before we judge too harshly. It might be a good entry level model.

This may be a move to return to the days when you actually had (shock! horror!) more than 1 or 2 engines to choose from. Also, as has already been pointed out, there are HEAPS of people out there who are more interested in fuel economy than power (especially given the speed enforcement measures adopted by governments now).

The Cruze, in base model form, is as slow as a wet week, but that hasn't stopped it selling well.

[seldo]

It doesn't need Einstein to deduce that news of a 4cyl Commodore is unlikely to be greeted with great enthusism on a performance forum.... :rolleyes:
Despite this - there's plenty of cardigan-wearers who will think it's a terrifice idea...

[planetdavo]

I know from reading your posts you enjoy playing devil's advocate and going against the flow but do you really think for a minute any of us actually care about this enough to have "ingrained hatred"?

For my part it was a light hearted dig at the concept of a small engine in a fat car which no matter how well done is never going to achieve what is being aimed for without a HUGE redesign and weight savings.

Life on Planet Davo must be a serious affair. ;)

The truth is the truth, no matter what the question.
It's being considered for the next generation Commodore, not this big, heavy one. No one here knows what that car is going to be yet, and it's that answer that will be the be all and end all of this possibility...:yup:

[Woteva]

The truth is the truth, no matter what the question.
It's being considered for the next generation Commodore, not this big, heavy one. No one here knows what that car is going to be yet, and it's that answer that will be the be all and end all of this possibility...:yup:

So a massive downsize is on the cards is it?

[Redline Rock]

Many moons ago when Holden went the 4 cyl Commodore route Ford played it smart and sat back and watched it all go horribly wrong. I hope Holden is not doing this because Ford is supposedly going down the 4 cyl Falcon road in the near future.

If it aint broke - dont fix it.

[Marco]

If it ain't broke....sales figures recently would seem to suggest that it is :)

[Xjas]

So a massive downsize is on the cards is it?
A downsize sounds good to me, I like my VE but frankly if they would build me a V8 rear drive sedan in a meduim size platform I'd buy that instead, the VE is a bit difficult for the missus to punt around in those damn tight wollies car parks.

[Woodchukka]

The truth is the truth, no matter what the question.
It's being considered for the next generation Commodore, not this big, heavy one. No one here knows what that car is going to be yet, and it's that answer that will be the be all and end all of this possibility...:yup:

A Commodore on a diet! Sounds like a great idea. Even better if there is a 4 + 4 cylinder in it. Maybe in a V configuration? :nyuk:

[Woteva]

A downsize sounds good to me, I like my VE but frankly if they would build me a V8 rear drive sedan in a meduim size platform I'd buy that instead, the VE is a bit difficult for the missus to punt around in those damn tight wollies car parks.

Agreed! :)

[SUPERH2377]

didnt the kiwis get a 4 cyl for the vt ? or that era
but the camrys get worst fuel ecenomy on than the 3.6 on the open road its a false econemy i

[v8dude78]

didnt the kiwis get a 4 cyl for the vt ? or that era
but the camrys get worst fuel ecenomy on than the 3.6 on the open road its a false econemy i

Taken from Wikipedia :)

"The VN series was assembled in New Zealand between 1988 and 1990. For the first few months of production it was actually assembled alongside its predecessor, the VL. This was due to the VL Commodore being slightly smaller, and offering a 2.0L RB20E(NZ Only) or 3.0 L RB30E Nissan straight-6 motor.
New Zealand specification Commodore Berlina, badged as Executive

A unique situation of the New Zealand VN Commodore was its trim levels. Where in Australia, Berlina was of higher spec than Executive; in New Zealand the roles were actually reversed. Commodore Executive was the Australian Berlina spec, while Berlina – had a similar spec to the Australian Executive models - and utilised a 2.0 litre Family II four-cylinder engine.[2]

The Berlina 4-cylinder model was a unique car for New Zealand, as well as other export markets, and was unavailable to Australia. The 4-cylinder Berlina was developed in Australia primarily for the New Zealand market, it was equipped with an unemissionised fuel-injected 2.0 L motor (tuned to run on 96 octane fuel), essentially that of the Opel Vectra A mounted north-south, driving the rear wheels. The Berlina was available in both sedan and wagon body styles.

The Calais models were also offered to New Zealand, primarily in V6 form. In fact, due to a cancelled Singapore order – 20 fully equipped VN Calais models were sold in New Zealand - utilizing the Berlina's 4-cylinder motor. Additionally, it is believed that there are a few VN Calais wagons in existence in New Zealand.

An indigenous sports model, the Commodore GTS, was also offered to the New Zealand market during 1990. Based on the New Zealand Executive models, the GTS featured a 3.8L V6 engine, manual or automatic transmission, bodykit (similar to that of the VN Commodore SS), alloys and FE2 suspension. It was a limited build, available in either White or Dark Blue.

The VN was the last Commodore to be assembled in New Zealand, after GM closed its plant in Trentham in late 1990, thereafter importing cars from Australia, duty-free."

[SUPERH2377]

well there u go they were built in nz i didnt know that
thanks louis

[v8dude78]

thanks louis

Louis :confused:
Graeme :)

If you get a chance have a look in VN-VP hand book and there is a drawing diagram of the 4 cyl motor in the engine bay does look very odd

[planetdavo]

If it ain't broke....sales figures recently would seem to suggest that it is :)

Compared to Falcon yes, but not the overall market.
Commodore sales are running around 50% of VY era, yet Cruze sales are running around 200% of AH Astra sales.
Gives a pretty big clue to why this idea is being thrown around.

[Marco]

I was referring to Commodore sales, which are at historic lows (both in numerical and market share terms - overall market that is, not large car market).

[Steve-LS2]

What I find most interesting is that 'enthusiasts' like us here on this forum make up a very small percentage of their annual sales.

If HSV was thinking of a 4 in a Clubsport Variant then that would be worth discussing the merits or non-merits of the idea.

But for Holden, it is the directors and production designers job to evaluate seriously every option. If they don't do their jobs properly they will be gone in the near future and we will all end up driving Tata's....

[ADAM 26]

the engins that are in the ve`s now would return much better fuel economy with a slightly smaller, much lighter car.

if they went back to the size of a vl, with the use of light weight but strong materials, im sure they could match the weight of a vl too, but still have all the mod cons of the currant model.

there is a few vls around with the ls1 in them, would be interesting to see some fuel economy numbers compaired to the vt-vz from which they came from.

[macca_779]

the engins that are in the ve`s now would return much better fuel economy with a slightly smaller, much lighter car.

if they went back to the size of a vl, with the use of light weight but strong materials, im sure they could match the weight of a vl too, but still have all the mod cons of the currant model.

there is a few vls around with the ls1 in them, would be interesting to see some fuel economy numbers compaired to the vt-vz from which they came from.

The problem with that is lighter materials incur an increase in cost. The small scale in which commodore is built probably doesn't add up for the marketing dept. Even though I have no doubt the engineers would love to.

[VYBerlinaV8]

I thought Holden had the right idea during the 1970's, when you could get a Torana, Kingswood, Monaro or van/ute with a choice of 2 6 cyl engines and 2 (sometimes 3) V8 engines, with the idea being that they developed two basic engines (6 and 8) which could be specified with different cranks, carbs, etc. They then developed the cars to fit any of the available engines, and so the customer could choose what they wanted.

Of course, that was a different time, and things were different to now.

[MR 1JZ]

I struggle to see why people dont get this as a good thing...If holden make more money then they can afford to spend more money on development of the bits that give them hero points with the enthusiasts.

The 4 cylinder is a fantastic idea...with fuel at around $1.50 a litre I suspect it will be a good seller...even if it is really slow!

I also cant beleive people are comparing it to the shitfire as well...fuel was what 35c a litre back then? Why would you want good fuel economy over power and noise?

[mac06]

Lighter doesn't necessarity mean smaller. Smaller is the Malibu due out next year. Can't see Commodore dropping in size and having to compete with the Malibu. What we are likely to see instead is what's quoted below. I remember reading somewhere that every 10kg saved equates to 0.1 L/100km fuel saving (something along those lines anyway)


Among the advancements will be aluminium body panels for reduced weight, and enhanced aerodynamic performance.


http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=147541&highlight=malibu

[IJ.]

Can't fit 2 fat bastards across the front of a "small car" the simple fact that per capita we're the most obese nation on the planet dictates that cars become "bigger" like it or not they build for the lowest common denominator...

[calais190]

I said this about three years ago and i'll say it again - bring back the torana!!!

In a 4cyl turbo deisel and a v6 twin turbo would be fantastic for a market that associates the cruze being a bit "girlie".

A shorter wheel based commodore platform would be a good start.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5867/holdentt36toranahatchconcept004cc2.jpg

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Holden-Torana_TT36_Hatch_Concept_2004_1024x768_wallpaper_ 08.jpg


I never noticed this, but the sides of these cars are exactly the same as the VE.

[HSVREDSLED]

I said this about three years ago and i'll say it again - bring back the torana!!!

In a 4cyl turbo deisel and a v6 twin turbo would be fantastic for a market that associates the cruze being a bit "girlie".

A shorter wheel based commodore platform would be a good start.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5867/holdentt36toranahatchconcept004cc2.jpg

http://img2.netcarshow.com/Holden-Torana_TT36_Hatch_Concept_2004_1024x768_wallpaper_ 08.jpg


I never noticed this, but the sides of these cars are exactly the same as the VE.




Waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper to simply shove another engine into a existing shell/frame...Its all about $$$ at the end of the day.

[calais190]

Waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper to simply shove another engine into a existing shell/frame...Its all about $$$ at the end of the day.

Unfortunately... If they made the cruze look like the torana and gave it credible engines, maybe more people would want them.

[Irish]

After reading this thread Mike Devereux released this...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/27/3254088.htm?site=adelaide&section=news

[Spoolin]

Unfortunately... If they made the cruze look like the torana and gave it credible engines, maybe more people would want them.

HUH, don't they currently out sell the Commodore?

[nikola]

Can't fit 2 fat bastards across the front of a "small car"

Small cars are a lot bigger inside than that. I used to have a Nissan Tiida (don't laugh) and it had a huge amount of space inside for such a tiny car. Ok, it wasn't as wide as my VE (so the centre "transmission tunnel" was very narrow and shoulders would touch), but head room was actually better in the Tiida than my Commodore.

I also used to have a 2010 Subaru Forester and it too had a huge amount of space. Honestly, I don't know why VE's are so big and heavy because they are a lot smaller on the inside than they are on the outside.

[v8dude78]

the engins that are in the ve`s now would return much better fuel economy with a slightly smaller, much lighter car.

if they went back to the size of a vl, with the use of light weight but strong materials, im sure they could match the weight of a vl too, but still have all the mod cons of the currant model.

there is a few vls around with the ls1 in them, would be interesting to see some fuel economy numbers compaired to the vt-vz from which they came from.

Problem with the VL is it is just a VB with longer front guards and longer rear quarters.
VB right through to VL use the same floor pan and they are relatively speaking a small car.
I cant see holden making a family car (VE) that size again

[v8dude78]

I said this about three years ago and i'll say it again - bring back the torana!!!


http://img2.netcarshow.com/Holden-Torana_TT36_Hatch_Concept_2004_1024x768_wallpaper_ 08.jpg


I never noticed this, but the sides of these cars are exactly the same as the VE.

Had a friend working at Holden before the VE was released and he said to us then "if you want to know what the new commodore will look like look at the Torana Concept Car :)

[calais190]

HUH, don't they currently out sell the Commodore?

No. I don't think that's ever been the case.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/au/en/news.detail.brand_holden.html/content/Pages/news/au/en/2011/Apr/0405_vfactsapril

[h41ry]

lets hope this one is better than the old vb...... lol

[Marco]

I never noticed this, but the sides of these cars are exactly the same as the VE.

Well yeah, and if you look at the interior shots it's full of VE parts as well. The whole point of the Torana concept was to preview the VE without giving away that it was basically the VE.

I was reading somewhere else the other day about a new small RWD Cadillac that would make a nice base for a new Torana - but realistically, this is not going to happen. The only way it might have stood a chance would have been if they hadn't killed Pontiac and Pontiac and Holden wanted to go halves in a smaller, cheaper RWD car based on that Caddy platform.


Unfortunately... If they made the cruze look like the torana and gave it credible engines, maybe more people would want them.

Isn't it the best selling small car at the moment and #2 or #3 in the market overall? Seems like plenty of people want them.

[calais190]

Isn't it the best selling small car at the moment and #2 or #3 in the market overall? Seems like plenty of people want them.

Yeah probably. But my point is, I see you drive an SS, would you ever buy a cruze? I know I never would.

I believe if the torana was on the market, and they offered a sensible range of engines that included economical diesels and performance small block v8s (or even v6 turbos), Holden would have been able to capture more market share. The small-medium size car market is moving people from the large cars, and could have been done in larger numbers if the torana was back. I realise the cruze was a much cheaper option and is doing well, but a torana would have been great. Just my opinion.

[Marco]

I might buy a Cruze - it would depend on what I was using it for. As a replacement for my SS, no. As a second car/for my wife/as transport to work, sure.

[VYBerlinaV8]

I might buy a Cruze - it would depend on what I was using it for. As a replacement for my SS, no. As a second car/for my wife/as transport to work, sure.

I just bought the wife a new Barina Spark - as a runaround that's dead cheap and easy to park it's ideal.

There's more to the world of motoring than straight line performance.

[calais190]

There's more to the world of motoring than straight line performance.

Yet the only reason you'd choose an SS over an SV6 is for...? Straight line performance advantages maybe? Why can't we have a local performance small-medium size sedan?

[calais190]

I might buy a Cruze - it would depend on what I was using it for. As a replacement for my SS, no. As a second car/for my wife/as transport to work, sure.

None the less, a 4cyl commodore doesn't fit in anywhere between your SS and say your wifes prospective cruze. Money can be better spent else where.

[Spoolin]

Regardless of what anyone thinks here, it's all about revenue.
QLD goverment have or are about to introduce a 4 cylinder only policy for goverment, hence why the the Flacon eco boost is being released.
If holden doesn't tow the line all large to medium size goverment sales in QLD will go to either the Camry or Falcon, there is also a high probablity that other states will follow.

[calais190]

Regardless of what anyone thinks here, it's all about revenue.
QLD goverment have or are about to introduce a 4 cylinder only policy for goverment, hence why the the Flacon eco boost is being released.
If holden doesn't tow the line all large to medium size goverment sales in QLD will go to either the Camry or Falcon, there is also a high probablity that other states will follow.

And I thought victoria was a nanny state.

[Marco]

None the less, a 4cyl commodore doesn't fit in anywhere between your SS and say your wifes prospective cruze. Money can be better spent else where.

That is true, and I would be flat out coming up with a good reason to buy a 4 cylinder Commodore that wasn't a diesel. But then, for me, with Commodores it's get a V8 or buy something else entirely.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Yet the only reason you'd choose an SS over an SV6 is for...? Straight line performance advantages maybe? Why can't we have a local performance small-medium size sedan?

Sure, why not?

The issue, I think, is cost. Holden already have a performance vehicle line up, I doubt they'd sell enough to justify yet another model.

[Swordie]

Turbo 4s seem to be the future. As an example BMW is moving to turbo 4s, they produce good power and better fuel economy compared to it’s NA six.

[calais190]

That is true, and I would be flat out coming up with a good reason to buy a 4 cylinder Commodore that wasn't a diesel. But then, for me, with Commodores it's get a V8 or buy something else entirely.

+1. I agree.


Sure, why not?

The issue, I think, is cost. Holden already have a performance vehicle line up, I doubt they'd sell enough to justify yet another model.

Unfortunately. I was thinking more along the lines of instead of the cruze, back when the decision was made to bring the cruze in. At least it's being built here now.

[Hulkssv]

i dont think its a wise idea, unless its a diesel, along the lines of a mazda 6, 2.2 diesel drives unreal, slightly smaller than a commo.

but if they put a 4 cyl into a commodore and make the commo smaller / weigh less, theyre taking sales away from the cruze. i dont understand how that could help them.