Best mail order tunes?

[FAT-LSX]

G'day,

I've just picked up a vz thunder with l76 and m6.

I have for it a twin 3" with hi flow cats, 4" maf pipe and k&n filter (will also be doing two hole mod).

I'm on a bit of a budget at the moment as I've just bought a house as well so I have to sneakily mod the ute on a budget to hide it from the mrs ;)

Anyway, my question is where have you guys got mail order tunes from and what are your experiences?

I've been told to steer clear of a couple of mobs who do mail orders by guys who have had bad experiences.

Any help appreciated

[QldKev]

IMHO the best is the one I've got; OzTrack :bow:

I originally had the 2 hole mod, it is no OTRCAI. I started with OzTrack's DuSpeed OTRCAI + mailorder tune and had it in the car for quite a while.Steve has always been helpful, and the car has been excellent since he did his stuff.

I recently needed a touch up tune to suit a diff ratio change, currently we are finalising a custom remote tune using AutoCal for it, and once again Steve has been helpful. We have clocked up about 3hrs worth of log time, which is a lot more than any normal dyno time you would get.

If you have plans for more mods such as OTR, you are best to try and get them first so you only tune the once.

QldKev

[HEKYEH]

I'm no expert...but I have seen some mail order tunes...and they have been absolutely shocking! Shocking doesn't even describe how bad they were...

If u r going to go the cheap option and get a mail order tune...u MUST be very careful and do A LOT of logging...and make sure u log the right things too...

Good luck :)

[vyls1wa]

IMHO the best is the one I've got; OzTrack :bow:

I originally had the 2 hole mod, it is no OTRCAI. I started with OzTrack's DuSpeed OTRCAI + mailorder tune and had it in the car for quite a while.Steve has always been helpful, and the car has been excellent since he did his stuff.

I recently needed a touch up tune to suit a diff ratio change, currently we are finalising a custom remote tune using AutoCal for it, and once again Steve has been helpful. We have clocked up about 3hrs worth of log time, which is a lot more than any normal dyno time you would get.

If you have plans for more mods such as OTR, you are best to try and get them first so you only tune the once.

QldKev



Vote 2 for steve, i started off with one of his mail orders and moved up to the Autocal when i upgraded my car some more, he'll be doing another tune for me in a couple of weeks for the new cam.

[whitels1ss]

G'day,

I've just picked up a vz thunder with l76 and m6.

I have for it a twin 3" with hi flow cats, 4" maf pipe and k&n filter (will also be doing two hole mod).

I'm on a bit of a budget at the moment as I've just bought a house as well so I have to sneakily mod the ute on a budget to hide it from the mrs ;)

Anyway, my question is where have you guys got mail order tunes from and what are your experiences?

I've been told to steer clear of a couple of mobs who do mail orders by guys who have had bad experiences.

Any help appreciated

CHIPMASTER..... http://www.chipmaster.com.au/
This guy is the best IMHO. :bow::bow::bow:
His mail orders are better than a few full custom tuners can do around the place.
Many guys on the forum have his tunes.
He has been doing it for ages.


email Dan Collins..... info@chipmaster.com.au


Top bloke too! :goodjob:

[Soopy]

Best Mail order is like asking for the best sexually transmitted disease IMO.

Like Hekyeh I've seen some of the stuff getting around and f*ck me.

I have to ask, the people here advocating mail order tunes, how much about the due to you actually know and understand about the tune?
Would you know if it was knocking (my guess is no.)
Do you know what the STFT's are doing, to compensate for the VE tables?

Not having a crack at anyone here, but unless you can see and report on these things what good is it getting on the interwebs and raving about how great it is?

In my opinion, Mail order tunes should only be considered a base. I've had allot of help from members on here to get myself up and running and was given a really good base to start with, that was 99% everything I needed, but even that was made using information gathered from my PCM.
You simply can't do it without logging each car IMO. Not accurately.
And some of the Mail order tunes I've managed to get hold of, are rough at best, destructive at worst.

[chocco]

I do not pretend to be a expert but I explain why I am getting a mail order tune.

I have 2 cars one a VE this will be done on the dyno hopefully before XMAS this is the Mrs daily driver and this will be done at Chev's.

The VZ X8 will be getting a Oztrack tune with auto cal, the reason for this is that the car is basically going to be used for towing only and I will be doing some serious logging both with and without caravan on the back. No matter how many dyno hours you do you cannot replicate towing 2t up and down hills etc. This is where the remote tune for me comes in handy.

I have spoken to a large number of places that offer remote tunes and I have decided to go with Oztrack, partly because of some people on this forum and because of what Steve and I have spoken about on the phone.

Only time will tell if I made the right choice, unlike the bad choice I made with the bunch of muppets of a large canopy supplier in the Scoresby, but hey as some one coined the phrase " YOU PLAY, YOU PAY"

[whitels1ss]

Best Mail order is like asking for the best sexually transmitted disease IMO.

Like Hekyeh I've seen some of the stuff getting around and f*ck me.

I have to ask, the people here advocating mail order tunes, how much about the due to you actually know and understand about the tune?
Would you know if it was knocking (my guess is no.)
Do you know what the STFT's are doing, to compensate for the VE tables?

Not having a crack at anyone here, but unless you can see and report on these things what good is it getting on the interwebs and raving about how great it is?

In my opinion, Mail order tunes should only be considered a base. I've had allot of help from members on here to get myself up and running and was given a really good base to start with, that was 99% everything I needed, but even that was made using information gathered from my PCM.
You simply can't do it without logging each car IMO. Not accurately.
And some of the Mail order tunes I've managed to get hold of, are rough at best, destructive at worst.

Buddy I have had 3 Chipmaster mailorder tunes, I have seen a few sets of headlamps in the rear view mirror of my SS of cars with sponsors full custom tunes and very "happy" dyno sheets.
Daniel at Chipmaster knows his stuff! :goodjob:

[VZ_V8]

I have to ask, the people here advocating mail order tunes, how much about the due to you actually know and understand about the tune?
Would you know if it was knocking (my guess is no.)

Well if it was like mine they just retard the knock sensors to half of their sensitivity and leave it up to the driver to hear, which to me seemed like the worst thing you could do on a guessed tune. I recently had my ute custom tuned by SQP after having a mail order in it since 2009. Fk me I was lucky nothing bad happened. Fuel trims were up between 20-30% and 4, 5, 6, 7 degrees timing needed to be pulled all over the place.

[Soopy]

Buddy I have had 3 Chipmaster mailorder tunes, I have seen a few sets of headlamps in the rear view mirror of my SS of cars with sponsors full custom tunes and very "happy" dyno sheets.
Daniel at Chipmaster knows his stuff! :goodjob:

I'm not arguing that there aren't shitty jobs done on dyno's.

As far as you "having seen a few sets of headlamps in the rear view mirror".
All I can really say to that is :goodjob:.

That's not evidence of anything though.

[whitels1ss]

Hey I know there are some bad ones out there, but the OP asked who does and the thread title is "Best mailorder tunes?'
Dan's mailorder tunes are good.

[Soopy]

Hey I know there are some bad ones out there, but the OP asked who does and the thread title is "Best mailorder tunes?'
Dan's mailorder tunes are good.

That's fair enough to say that too, that's your opinion.
All I want to know is, how have you reached that opinion?

[VZ_V8]

Buddy I have had 3 Chipmaster mailorder tunes, I have seen a few sets of headlamps in the rear view mirror of my SS of cars with sponsors full custom tunes and very "happy" dyno sheets.
Daniel at Chipmaster knows his stuff! :goodjob:

Having a tune which gets good power is one thing. Having a tune which gets good power safely is another. My custom tune didnt net any overall power gains as far as I know (no comparison dyno readings done) but the car runs a million times better now. More responsive, no flat spots, far safer!! My timing was up to 7 degrees too advanced in some parts and was not making anymore more power so whilst it might be making the same power now it was not doing it in a good way before and I was lucky no damage was done.

[whitels1ss]

That's not evidence of anything though.
It's good enough evidence to me that I have not wasted money paying someone else for a full custom tune and a fancy big numbered dyno sheet.:)
It is good enough evidence to me that the mailorder tune is doing it's job and value for money.

[Soopy]

How is it evidence of anything?

You don't know what the engine is being told to do.

[whitels1ss]

Having a tune which gets good power is one thing. Having a tune which gets good power safely is another. My custom tune didnt net any overall power gains as far as I know (no comparison dyno readings done) but the car runs a million times better now. More responsive, no flat spots, far safer!! My timing was up to 7 degrees too advanced in some parts and was not making anymore more power so whilst it might be making the same power now it was not doing it in a good way before and I was lucky no damage was done.

Yeah, I do know that,
But...
It depends on who does the tune.
I know there are plenty of cowboys doing crap work. (Custom and Mailorder)

Chipmaster has been doing these for over 10 years with heaps of great results and happy customers. :)

[Soopy]

Yeah, I do know that,
But...
It depends on who does the tune.
I know there are plenty of cowboys doing crap work. (Custom and Mailorder)

Chipmaster has been doing these for over 10 years with heaps of great results and happy customers. :)

I understand what you're saying.
They're a safe guess for the average punter.

This kind of thing gets tricky when shit slinger tuners get numpty's blowing smoke up their arse.
How can you tell the legitimately good guys from the snake oil salesman?

[VZ_V8]

Yeah, I do know that,
But...
It depends on who does the tune.
I know there are plenty of cowboys doing crap work. (Custom and Mailorder)

Chipmaster has been doing these for over 10 years with heaps of great results and happy customers. :)

My tune was actually done by one of the biggest in the mailorder game so even the "best" make mistakes. I have never seen one of Dan's mailorders. I know he is an awesome tuner, I took my old man's old ute to him when Chipmaster was still open to get a custom mafless and he certainly knows his stuff, no ifs or buts he is very good at what he does.

I am just saying knowing what I know now after seeing my old tune vs my new one, I just can't recommend them anymore. Too many variables to get wrong and the last thing someone wants is for their engine to go bang at 6000rpm.

[Soopy]

My tune was actually done by one of the biggest in the mailorder game so even the "best" make mistakes. I have never seen one of Dan's mailorders. I know he is an awesome tuner, I took my old man's old ute to him when Chipmaster was still open to get a custom mafless and he certainly knows his stuff, no ifs or buts he is very good at what he does.

I am just saying knowing what I know now after seeing my old tune vs my new one, I just can't recommend them anymore. Too many variables to get wrong and the last thing someone wants is for their engine to go bang at 6000rpm.

The biggest killer is low rpm high load situations.
I.e, taking off from a set of traffic lights after sitting around for 2-3mins. I'm in tassie and during this winter after 5mins idling the IAT's are around 45c, I can only imagine what its like in Brisbane or Perth during summer.

In this situation if you have too much advance and/or not enough fuel. You're going to have a really saaad panda.
Which is exactly the scenario I've seen with Mail order tunes.

[whitels1ss]

I understand what you're saying.
They're a safe guess for the average punter.

This kind of thing gets tricky when shit slinger tuners get numpty's blowing smoke up their arse.
How can you tell the legitimately good guys from the snake oil salesman?

Hey Soopy, Chipmaster used to be a sponsor on this forum for years,
they have many happy customers, they used to have threads on their sponsor threads from many happy customers. There were plenty of posts from happy customers on there.
The fact they are no longer sponsors and so their sponsor threads are not there anymore is the only reason why I can't link a thread with loads of happy customers on the forum.
Anyway, at the end of the day the OP asked who knew of anyone good for a mailorder tune.
In my opinion Chipmaster is very good.
The thread is about opinions of a good place to get a mailorder tune,
and that is my opinion.:)

[Soopy]

Hey Soopy, Chipmaster used to be a sponsor on this forum for years,
they have many happy customers, they used to have threads on their sponsor threads from many happy customers. There were plenty of posts from happy customers on there.
The fact they are no longer sponsors and so their sponsor threads are not there anymore is the only reason why I can't link a thread with loads of happy customers on the forum.
Anyway, at the end of the day the OP asked who knew of anyone good for a mailorder tune.
In my opinion Chipmaster is very good.
The thread is about opinions of a good place to get a mailorder tune,
and that is my opinion.:)

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion.
But, is it your opinion or the opinion of a bunch of other people?

[whitels1ss]

I took my old man's old ute to him when Chipmaster was still open to get a custom mafless and he certainly knows his stuff, no ifs or buts he is very good at what he does.



Trust me, he does know his stuff and has tuned that many V8 Commodores he has his mailorders down to a fine art.
He would not do them if they were not good, he has a great reputation and would not want to ruin it. :)

[whitels1ss]

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion.
But, is it your opinion or the opinion of a bunch of other people?
Hey Soopy, the OP asked for opinions in the first post.
I have given mine. :)
So......you reckon I am wrong.
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion also. :)

[Soopy]

Hey Soopy, the OP asked for opinions in the first post.
I have given mine. :)
So......you reckon I am wrong.
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion also. :)

Nah, that last post was just to wind you up a little :D

[whitels1ss]

Nah, that last post was just to wind you up a little :D
Hey all good mate. :)
You love doing that to people. :rofl::rofl:

[silvervyss]

:search: topic had been covered before (only a million times), all you gonna do is start a shit fight.

[xforddriver]

When i had my XR6T there were alot of places doing what we called Genric tunes, the amount of motors that blew because of them was amazing. I think just save a little extra and get a proper tune, reason i say that is you said you just bought a house, just imagine a mailorder tune let's your engine go? what would your wife say's then when you say i need $5000 for a new engine. Just save and do it right the first time. Or you might be seeing a divorce lawyer.

[rone61]

I got the Autocal from Steve at Oztrack and I am very happy with the work he has done.

[Lincoln87]

mail order tunes are sooooo so good!!


got my mail order tune and the idle was so smooth, the car never stalled... and it used ALOT less petrol than it was stock. which i didnt doubt it would seeing as it was something along the lines of an economy tune.


nah jono. stock cam. - YouTube




oh wait.

im shitting ya.


this mail order tune, was infact a street tune.

when cold it did as such in the video. And kept stalling unless you held foot on brake and gas to move till it warmed up.

used 30+L/100km no matter how or where i drove it. (around town or on the freeway, hoon style or grandpa)


and the tuner looked at the tune on his computer, and said the tune was fine and must be a faulty sensor.






i took my car to Russo Performance. Christian did a tune on it. Didnt gain too much HP/KW from memory. But gained alot of torque. And that instantly made car go faster, more responsive, and use ALOT LESS FUEL!!
How it is now, with 3.73s and a 4500 stally... the car see's under 25 around town and heavy on the gas.
Even sees less than 25 with a broken box (only has 1st and 2nd)



Seriosly. Unless you are a mechanic and can do alot of work youself...
take it to a WORKSHOP. Not just some dude with a laptop.
Russo's (and alot of other LSx guys on here) have been in the LSx game for a long time.. not to mention playing with, and building cars years before there even was a LSx game to be played.
At a workshop.. you can drive in and they can fix or find out anything. If its a problem in the tune they can fix it. If its a problem in the motor, they can fix it. And they know about it and whats going on.

Unlike others who will turn around and blame sensors.


**i will not mention who my original tuner was, as he is big on here and will have my post deleted.
Im not saying his crap or anything .. uhh.. yeh but just posting up my experience and how i was treated as a customer.
And then how i noticed how much better a workshop is.

[macca_779]

I can vouch for dan's mail orders. I have one from years ago around here somewhere and while from memory it was conservative, it remained very safe. That's the thing with not being with the car. You can't go all out even though in some cases it may be fine to do so.

De sensitizing knock sensors, running way to much timing with aggressive AFR's I've seen more than enough of and it's the guys that do that who give mail orders a bad name. While I always advocate custom in person tunes preferably. There is nothing wrong with a good mail order as long as your not stupid about it. That is basically what a factory tune is after all.

My advice is do your homework and stay clear of guys claiming 99% as good as a custom tune.


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[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Vote 2 for steve, i started off with one of his mail orders and moved up to the Autocal when i upgraded my car some more, he'll be doing another tune for me in a couple of weeks for the new cam.

+1 for oz track

[SS--SS]

I got a mail order tune about 6 years ago..made a difference & car still going strong.. The place I sent it too was in WA think it was chipmaster. No problems & still going strong

[itsagixa]

APC_performance on ebay do Maffless tune for $150...a lot of guys on JC have got it and are very happy, the tune is unlocked so they get the cheap mail-order and then get it touched up on the dyno for like an extra $200....cheapest way to get into the game IMO

[gavlotic]

+1 for Jez @HDTCQ
mine's still goin good.

cheers,

Gav

[inky]

Is it werth the money saved on a mail order tune if something goes wrong?
Its only a small chance this can happen but i reckon you would be much better getting tuned by local known shop coz once you start you wont stop chasing the power/fun and a local workshops knowledge will be werth more than a mail order and touch ups/tweeks are simpler.

[HEKYEH]

I'd love to name the mail order tunes I have seen that have pinged their heads off and been absolute RUBBISH.....but I don't want to upset the fanboys...

[VYSHSV8]

I'd love to name the mail order tunes I have seen that have pinged their heads off and been absolute RUBBISH.....but I don't want to upset the fanboys...
Is the Fan to blow the wind up the boys arses

Cease
Andrew or i will get my solicitor
:lmao:

[tmob]

+1 for oz track


I got the Autocal from Steve at Oztrack and I am very happy with the work he has done.

seems oztrack is the answer.....



I'd love to name the mail order tunes I have seen that have pinged their heads off and been absolute RUBBISH.....but I don't want to upset the fanboys...

now now play nicely....

[macca_779]

Yeah we can't let the people hear about shops screwing up causing blown engines


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[ricklloyd]

also have oztrack tune on engine and box been great but as im in the uk and theres no one here thats does these cars .sometimes hard to get steve to answer an email

[Lincoln87]

haivng worked in a food industry as a manager for awhile... you come to realise the fact of..

a person who has a bad experince will tell 10 other people.
a person who has a "good" expeience will tell 1 other person.

when i say "good" i mean, a what you should normally expect.



how many times have you complained or bitched or heard someone else bitcing, about maccas stuffing up the order.
but hardly ever do you say... ohh went to maccas and the order was correct and came straight away.


Thats why whenever we stuffed up an order (Dominos pizza), i always offered to throw in something extra.. free drink or garlic bread whatevs.





neways. the moral of this story...
you will never hear about the bad storys on this forum purely based on the fact that these businesses pay the forum.

It would nearly be like the Illawarra Mercury (local paper) or WIN TV News (local TV company) bagging hard on the Dragons. Wont happen.

[itsagixa]

i think people should name and shame crappy mail order companys....what if you were a noob searching for a mail order tune...you use the search feature and you get a few good companys but you want something cheaper so you find another company....how would they know?...name and shame

[FAT-LSX]

My understanding is that some of the crappy tunes come from sponsors on the site, therefore would be deleted immediately and probably ban the poster..

Anyways lads, thanks for the input, I'll just put the extra pennies away and save for a Duspeed and russo dyno tune

[awesome _vzss]

My understanding is that some of the crappy tunes come from sponsors on the site, therefore would be deleted immediately and probably ban the poster..

Anyways lads, thanks for the input, I'll just put the extra pennies away and save for a Duspeed and russo dyno tune

Defently the best way to go about it,can't beat a dyno tune.

[v8commodore]

I got a vx ss ls1 just had a vcm otr twin 2.5 high flow cats short extractors 306rwhp mail order tune from steve oztrack had no problems with car after fitted at all

[Soopy]

i think people should name and shame crappy mail order companys....what if you were a noob searching for a mail order tune...you use the search feature and you get a few good companys but you want something cheaper so you find another company....how would they know?...name and shame

You could always PM the people to find out.


My understanding is that some of the crappy tunes come from sponsors on the site, therefore would be deleted immediately and probably ban the poster..

Anyways lads, thanks for the input, I'll just put the extra pennies away and save for a Duspeed and russo dyno tune

:)

[whitels1ss]

Defently the best way to go about it,can't beat a dyno tune.
Lol, it depends on who is doing that dyno tune.
Just because they talk the talk, sponsor something ,advertise something, have the fancy corporate image, workshop and a dyno means jack sh1t.
There are certainly such things as sales talk, bullsh1t and false advertising.

Hey there are good and bad "Tuners"... full custom dyno and mailorder.

Just do your homework lads.

[Soopy]

Lol, it depends on who is doing that dyno tune, I know one place in Adelaide who advertise very big and I would not let touch anything of mine.
Just because they talk the talk, sponsor something ,advertise something, have the fancy corporate image, workshop and a dyno means jack sh1t.
There are certainly such things as sales talk, bullsh1t and false advertising.
Hey there are good and bad "Tuners"... full custom dyno and mailorder.
Just do your homework lads.

Exactly right.
There's a sponsor on here who I wouldn't let touch my car on a dyno, and the thought of a mail order from this sponsor seems more comical then superman.

[whitels1ss]

Exactly right.
There's a sponsor on here who I wouldn't let touch my car on a dyno, and the thought of a mail order from this sponsor seems more comical then superman.
True Soopy.

[HEKYEH]

I got a vx ss ls1 just had a vcm otr twin 2.5 high flow cats short extractors 306rwhp mail order tune from steve oztrack had no problems with car after fitted at all

What sort of logging do u do?

[Soopy]

What sort of logging do u do?

This goes for every single person advocating mail orders.

[El Narros]

So what happens when you get a "good" mail order tune and get a dyno run on someone who has a "happy" dyno or doesn't know how to set it up properly? Still a bad tune? I had a custom tune, 18lt p/100km. This was already on the car when i bought it, mail order tune and 15lt p/100km and the car drives fine, is it the worlds best tune? Probably not, but it was within my budget and suites me.

[Justin_wh]

I love how everyone on this site is too scared to say anything they really think as they know they will be banned or have a post deleted.

[macca_779]

I love how everyone on this site is too scared to say anything they really think as they know they will be banned or have a post deleted.

After being threatened with legal defamation suites 1 to many times. (I'm far from the only one either). It's better just to shut up. People just have to learn the hard way unfortunately as we can't name and shame here


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[Plenty]

My advice is do your homework and stay clear of guys claiming 99% as good as a custom tune.


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Steve from Oztrack tuning claims, the same if not better results through his logged remote tunes than an in person dyno tune.

Quite believable really as the car gets countless hours of logging and sending data back and forward till he is happy and the customer is happy.

Stay away from the generic mail orders an go for a logged remote tune.

[Soopy]

Steve from Oztrack tuning claims, the same if not better results through his logged remote tunes than an in person dyno tune.

Quite believable really as the car gets countless hours of logging and sending data back and forward till he is happy and the customer is happy.

Stay away from the generic mail orders an go for a logged remote tune.

That's a worry.

[macca_779]

Steve from Oztrack tuning claims, the same if not better results through his logged remote tunes than an in person dyno tune.

Quite believable really as the car gets countless hours of logging and sending data back and forward till he is happy and the customer is happy.

Stay away from the generic mail orders an go for a logged remote tune.

If you believe that buddy, great for you. :confused:




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[Plenty]

That's a worry.

Why?
Data is logged and viewed the same way in which it would be on the dyno, except the car is in real life conditions, logged by the person that actually drives the car and in all the different driving situations.

Data is logged and sent back and forwards many times until the tune is spot on, you get more info from Steve's remote tune than you would any drive in, drive out dyno tune.

Whilst there may be some really bad mail/remote tunes, Steve is not in that category and your passing generic judgment on a persons product without trying it first.

[macca_779]

Why?
Data is logged and viewed the same way in which it would be on the dyno, except the car is in real life conditions, logged by the person that actually drives the car and in all the different driving situations.

Data is logged and sent back and forwards many times until the tune is spot on, you get more info from Steve's remote tune than you would any drive in, drive out dyno tune.

Whilst there may be some really bad mail/remote tunes, Steve is not in that category and your passing generic judgment on a persons product without trying it first.

Ok then.


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[Soopy]

Why?
Data is logged and viewed the same way in which it would be on the dyno, except the car is in real life conditions, logged by the person that actually drives the car and in all the different driving situations.

Data is logged and sent back and forwards many times until the tune is spot on, you get more info from Steve's remote tune than you would any drive in, drive out dyno tune.

Whilst there may be some really bad mail/remote tunes, Steve is not in that category and your passing generic judgment on a persons product without trying it first.

Am I?
I'm passing on someone else's experience?

**** me, must have slipped into a coma over the last week.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Lol, it depends on who is doing that dyno tune.
Just because they talk the talk, sponsor something ,advertise something, have the fancy corporate image, workshop and a dyno means jack sh1t.
There are certainly such things as sales talk, bullsh1t and false advertising.

Hey there are good and bad "Tuners"... full custom dyno and mailorder.

Just do your homework lads.

very true as i found out with a ( dyno tune )

[silvervyss]

very true as i found out with a ( dyno tune )


:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Mate, you're defending Oztrack, and the others that are replying are trying to bag the f&&k out of him; without getting the thread closed and getting into trouble. I think they're trying to get you to change tuners; and yes, 2 cars tuned by him, still going strong.

[QldKev]

This goes for every single person advocating mail orders.

In case you haven't noticed, an AutoCal allows you to a mail order tune that gets logged and adjusted.

Have you got your car running from your last tune yet?

For someone bagging out a tuner, you seem to have a lot of issues with your own setup.

[QldKev]

That's a worry.


Why cause you can't read a log file?

:shock:

[Soopy]

My car is running awesome :).
Has been for a long time. Issues were with the standard tune.

[macca_779]

No ones knocking remote tuning here. It is naturally better than conventional mail orders.

[Soopy]

No ones knocking remote tuning here. It is naturally better than conventional mail orders.

Regardless of how the tune is performed, its only as good as the bloke doing the job.

[whitels1ss]

Regardless of how the tune is performed, its only as good as the bloke doing the job.
Spot on!
(And not as good as HE {that tuner} claims to be!)
That's the truth in a nutshell!:goodjob:

[Soopy]

Spot on!
(And not as good as HE {that tuner} claims to be!)
That's the truth in a nutshell!:goodjob:

Yup, there are a shit load of claims around too.

[VYSHSV8]

Autocal is fine as long as the tune is corrected within an hr if there is a problem with the tune ie pinging it's head of and then ya have to wait till the tune is redone and then emailed to you:( that might take a day or so.

So in the end you could be smashing a ring, bigend or anything else till it gets fixed:(
It's fine to claim that ya are the best in OZ till ya crack something

I have seen some fine mail order tunes that as macca stay on teh safe side:) and have heard some that and pinging there heads of :(

[Lincoln87]

and to think i was the only one who got jipped with a shocking tune.



and who ever said just name em.. well i have in the past and post was deleted straight away.


and thats the reason why i stayed off LS1 forums for awhile.

sometimes its better on the SC forums where the talk is about BLVD chromies and twin throttle body ecotecs making a whopping 160rwkw plus sounding mint with the no muffler mod.

[Soopy]

and to think i was the only one who got jipped with a shocking tune.



and who ever said just name em.. well i have in the past and post was deleted straight away.


and thats the reason why i stayed off LS1 forums for awhile.

sometimes its better on the SC forums where the talk is about BLVD chromies and twin throttle body ecotecs making a whopping 160rwkw plus sounding mint with the no muffler mod.

Nah, it gets edited there as well dude.

And Drew, I like your style :).

[QldKev]

Autocal is fine as long as the tune is corrected within an hr if there is a problem with the tune ie pinging it's head of and then ya have to wait till the tune is redone and then emailed to you:( that might take a day or so.

So in the end you could be smashing a ring, bigend or anything else till it gets fixed:(
It's fine to claim that ya are the best in OZ till ya crack something

I have seen some fine mail order tunes that as macca stay on teh safe side:) and have heard some that and pinging there heads of :(

I'm missing something, why would the tune cause it to be constantly pinging unless they turned off the knock sensors?

QldKev

[Soopy]

I'm missing something, why would the tune cause it to be constantly pinging unless they turned off the knock sensors?

QldKev

No offence intended here Kev, but that's exactly why the majority of people shouldn't comment on issues like this, and certainly are not in a position to say "Yeah those tunes are great!".

There are many reasons for a tune to knock.
Poor timing, poor fueling, silly VE calibration. Or a combination of the lot. The knock sensor's don't stop it occurring.

[VYSHSV8]

I'm missing something, why would the tune cause it to be constantly pinging unless they turned off the knock sensors?

QldKev

Not necessarily turned of the sensitivity can be turned down in the tune

[Plenty]

Autocal is fine as long as the tune is corrected within an hr if there is a problem with the tune ie pinging it's head of and then ya have to wait till the tune is redone and then emailed to you:( that might take a day or so.

So in the end you could be smashing a ring, bigend or anything else till it gets fixed:(
It's fine to claim that ya are the best in OZ till ya crack something

I have seen some fine mail order tunes that as macca stay on teh safe side:) and have heard some that and pinging there heads of :(

I know of one car that came from a very respected dyno shop here in perth and went back twice for pinging......... and that was a dyno tune, like someone said the tune is only as good as the person doing the tune.

[VYSHSV8]

I know of one car that came from a very respected dyno shop here in perth and went back twice for pinging......... and that was a dyno tune, like someone said the tune is only as good as the person doing the tune.

Very true but also there can be other things like fuel quality etc etc

And Kev when a tune is loaded the autocal logs the data then you send the data to the tuner to rectify and in the meantime it will still be pinging till it's rectified in the tune. It will drop in and out of knocking/pinging depending if the tune has two calibrations ie octane tables but some have been renowned for copy and pasting the high octane table over to the low octane table which doesn't allow for timing to be pulled correctly and drop to the lower table.

[VZ_V8]

I'm missing something, why would the tune cause it to be constantly pinging unless they turned off the knock sensors?

QldKev

My mail order had the knock sensors dumbed down to half their sensitivity.

[Soopy]

My mail order had the knock sensors dumbed down to half their sensitivity.

In stock form, they are overly sensitive. Which can result in mass amounts of false knock being detected and thefore retarding ignition. Its an easy way to free up some power and drive ability.

But it does remove some safety buffer, which obviously means the tune needs to be good or you're in trouble.

[macca_779]

I'm missing something, why would the tune cause it to be constantly pinging unless they turned off the knock sensors?

QldKev

Mate do some logging and you'll see that even when the sensors are efficiently sensitised give the engine enough timing and the sensors won't even see it as it's out of there filtered range. Guys that tune off the knock sensors really have no idea. (ie run timing immediately prior to knock) They are there as a sanity check. But can't be relied on. If the engine is registering knock retard, it's way past mean best torque, especially when low dynamic compression is being run


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[NIXON]

FFS mail order tune thread here aswell!!

[KRUEGER]

Mate do some logging and you'll see that even when the sensors are efficiently sensitised give the engine enough timing and the sensors won't even see it as it's out of there filtered range. Guys that tune off the knock sensors really have no idea. (ie run timing immediately prior to knock) They are there as a sanity check. But can't be relied on. If the engine is registering knock retard, it's way past mean best torque, especially when low dynamic compression is being run


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Do you have any feedback on the mail order tunes offered by NJC Corp? Are they conservative?

[Soopy]

Do you have any feedback on the mail order tunes offered by NJC Corp? Are they conservative?

I wasn't aware that NJC even did mail orders.

[KRUEGER]

I wasn't aware that NJC even did mail orders.

Just dug up the thread -

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=144225

Not much feedback though.

[awesome _vzss]

Lol, it depends on who is doing that dyno tune.
Just because they talk the talk, sponsor something ,advertise something, have the fancy corporate image, workshop and a dyno means jack sh1t.
There are certainly such things as sales talk, bullsh1t and false advertising.

Hey there are good and bad "Tuners"... full custom dyno and mailorder.

Just do your homework lads.

Agreed as the only the results speak for themselves.

[HEKYEH]

Do you have any feedback on the mail order tunes offered by NJC Corp? Are they conservative?

Can't fully comment on Nick's behalf...But I'm fairly sure that mail order tunes aren't his focus at all. Not sure if he even sells them anymore. But I can tell u that both of the tunes I have had done by him don't ping...

[macca_779]

Do you have any feedback on the mail order tunes offered by NJC Corp? Are they conservative?

I did a few mail orders when working under Nick's banner. They were conservative.


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[KRUEGER]

I did a few mail orders when working under Nick's banner. They were conservative.


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Thanks for that info. I was contemplating a mail order tune for a bog stock car but after reading this thread Im having second thoughts.

Do you know if they are still using your tune for mail orders?

[Soopy]

Thanks for that info. I was contemplating a mail order tune for a bog stock car but after reading this thread Im having second thoughts.

Pick your tuner right and you'll be fine for a bog stocker.

Heck, even shoot Macca a PM.

[KRUEGER]

Pick your tuner right and you'll be fine for a bog stocker.

Heck, even shoot Macca a PM.

Done. Hard to get proper answer without upsetting the sensitive around here.

Cheers.

[Soopy]

Just gotta know who to ask mate, once you do the BS curtains get removed pretty quick.

[VYSHSV8]

Done. Hard to get proper answer without upsetting the sensitive around here.

Cheers.

haha true you might be lucky to get a threat as well :):)
saying the ultimate words Cease or I will get my Solicitor :lol:

[Lincoln87]

is it strange that three threads turned into bag out one tuner??

and that they all came up around the same time.... sware its just shit stirring now.



to the OP. And others interested. Be sure to check out the two other very similar threads, as you might miss something.

[Lincoln87]

Thanks for that info. I was contemplating a mail order tune for a bog stock car but after reading this thread Im having second thoughts.

Do you know if they are still using your tune for mail orders?

it says location melborne.


arnet there about 2-3 sponser based workshops/tuners in melb? Let alone others that arnt sponsers of this forum...


why get a mail order when you can get a inhouse tune at a place near you?



even if its a stock car with just a tune, im sure the shop would just charge very little to do touch up tunes when you add mods.

heck, if you buy an otr from them and they supply and fit it (or an exhaust etc etc etc) im sure they would touch up the tune for SFA... if anything.

[IJ.]

My understanding is that some of the crappy tunes come from sponsors on the site, therefore would be deleted immediately and probably ban the poster..

Anyways lads, thanks for the input, I'll just put the extra pennies away and save for a Duspeed and russo dyno tune

I would be seriously pissed if the above happened, the "Sponsors" should be held to a higher Standard as they're providing a service, too many bad reports from the user base should end in action from the site owners where they lift their game or are "retired", I don't for a second understand being "banned" for reporting a bad result unless the reporter goes on a rant/attack with no evidence....

My "feelings" on the whole mail order tune thing, they're fine as a base map but for a maximum effort engine it really needs to be fine tuned hands on and for the situation that the car will live in.

My car for example will get a mail order base map but as the car "lives" at 500M above sea level I'll spend some time getting it "right" for up here, last project car over the years spent 16 hours on the rollers in total and countless hours in road tuning.

It ran a full MoTeC package and I'd often read/heard people say a MoTeC will never be as close to a factory ECU for driveability/economy, again this is a Myth, given engough time/effort/cash it can easily surpass the factory gear.

A lot of tuners will do the WOT mixtures some idle and transitions and call it "good", just getting Cold starts right can take a week+ as you only get 1 go at it per day.

[Lincoln87]

mail order tunes are sooooo so good!!


got my mail order tune and the idle was so smooth, the car never stalled... and it used ALOT less petrol than it was stock. which i didnt doubt it would seeing as it was something along the lines of an economy tune.


nah jono. stock cam. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNo6DvGY1AA)




oh wait.

im shitting ya.


this mail order tune, was infact a street tune.

when cold it did as such in the video. And kept stalling unless you held foot on brake and gas to move till it warmed up.

used 30+L/100km no matter how or where i drove it. (around town or on the freeway, hoon style or grandpa)


and the tuner looked at the tune on his computer, and said the tune was fine and must be a faulty sensor.






i took my car to Russo Performance. Christian did a tune on it. Didnt gain too much HP/KW from memory. But gained alot of torque. And that instantly made car go faster, more responsive, and use ALOT LESS FUEL!!
How it is now, with 3.73s and a 4500 stally... the car see's under 25 around town and heavy on the gas.
Even sees less than 25 with a broken box (only has 1st and 2nd)



Seriosly. Unless you are a mechanic and can do alot of work youself...
take it to a WORKSHOP. Not just some dude with a laptop.
Russo's (and alot of other LSx guys on here) have been in the LSx game for a long time.. not to mention playing with, and building cars years before there even was a LSx game to be played.
At a workshop.. you can drive in and they can fix or find out anything. If its a problem in the tune they can fix it. If its a problem in the motor, they can fix it. And they know about it and whats going on.

Unlike others who will turn around and blame sensors.


**i will not mention who my original tuner was, as he is big on here and will have my post deleted.
Im not saying his crap or anything .. uhh.. yeh but just posting up my experience and how i was treated as a customer.
And then how i noticed how much better a workshop is.

sorry edit it wasnt a mail order tune, the tune was street tune by a tuner who specialises in mail order tunes.

so... it should have been better than a mail order?

[Soopy]

There are plenty of hopeless workshops out there mate. So even theyre not a guarantee.