Vapor vs liquid gas injection

[6LSSV]

I went to A.P.S and their gas fitter shop across the road. Vapor injection is $1000 cheaper, and he said the fuel economy was the same between the two, the only difference was, was that if I was to go above approx 310kw he advised liquid injection would be able to support the power better as the vapor wouldn't be up to it. I have 260kw at the wheels so vapor would be ok.

Now some guy at work says he had vapor and reckons that it burns alot more gas then liquid injection, less power etc etc. Alot different to what the professional said. I'm after a few more opinions. I'm not going to increase my power output anymore either, I'm happy with what I got.

[Souljah]

Do it once, do it right. Liquid injection all the way.

Pretty sure Vapor switches back to petrol at high RPM and WOT aswell. Not sure why when LPG, when tuned correctly gives more power.

[boggers007]

I went to A.P.S and their gas fitter shop across the road. Vapor injection is $1000 cheaper, and he said the fuel economy was the same between the two, the only difference was, was that if I was to go above approx 310kw he advised liquid injection would be able to support the power better as the vapor wouldn't be up to it. I have 260kw at the wheels so vapor would be ok.

Now some guy at work says he had vapor and reckons that it burns alot more gas then liquid injection, less power etc etc. Alot different to what the professional said. I'm after a few more opinions. I'm not going to increase my power output anymore either, I'm happy with what I got.

Depends on your mate got it installed, I know my grandads vapour injection in his R31 skyline which has been installed for 10yrs maybe burns thru the stuff alot quicker then ones i know other people have.

[LuisS]

I went to A.P.S and their gas fitter shop across the road. Vapor injection is $1000 cheaper, and he said the fuel economy was the same between the two, the only difference was, was that if I was to go above approx 310kw he advised liquid injection would be able to support the power better as the vapor wouldn't be up to it. I have 260kw at the wheels so vapor would be ok.

Now some guy at work says he had vapor and reckons that it burns alot more gas then liquid injection, less power etc etc. Alot different to what the professional said. I'm after a few more opinions. I'm not going to increase my power output anymore either, I'm happy with what I got.

The system Rob would have quoted you on , EMER will run LPG to the rev limiter , no switching back.

We have tuned cars with this system up to 300 rwkw with excellent results.

You won't have any issues going the EMER vapor injection.

Obviously the ultimate is JTG liquid , but take my word , EMER is pretty bloody good ;)

Luis

[macca_779]

Hey Luis I see on the jtg website there is no need for an lpg controller. If so how are the priming/pressure circuits managed. Or is none of this required with liquid?

Me personally having no lpg controller to worry about makes the choice easy. JTG all the way.


Sent from my iPad 2 using Tapatalk

[MTC]

I have the EMER Vapour LPG on our LS3 R8 tourer fitted by Rob at auto gas injection go's great the R8 has the usual bolt ons & malfless 285rwk on Chevs Dyno. yet to go on A.P.S dyno (i just have to call them to make a time for a dyno run) but cant feel any differance between the lpg or petrol in it. go's very well

I also have a Euro Gas Vapour LPG on My VY SS wgn also fitted by Rob about 3.5years ago never had a prob with the lpg go's very good aswell

neither of Mine switch back to petrol at high RPM's

[LuisS]

Hey Luis I see on the jtg website there is no need for an lpg controller. If so how are the priming/pressure circuits managed. Or is none of this required with liquid?

Me personally having no lpg controller to worry about makes the choice easy. JTG all the way.


Sent from my iPad 2 using Tapatalk

LPG pressure is managed by in-tank , and ther is no priming , starts on petrol while system purges.

[macca_779]

LPG pressure is managed by in-tank , and ther is no priming , starts on petrol while system purges.

Ok cool so what controls the purge and changeover. I like the system the FG falcons have with liquid injection. Purge is done when you unlock the car allowing instant starting.

Sent from my iPad 2 using Tapatalk

[6LSSV]

Yeh for me, the extra $1000 bucks isn't much worth it. I just want it on gas for cheaper runnin costs

[amckiwi]

Custom tuned LS3's can give up to 30rwkw in liquid

I would thing an L98 20rwkw for sure

That is a cheap increase

It is what sold me on liquid

Mine gets tuned next week

Stu

[AndyP]

30rwkw would sell me although I had Vapor system on my Grange & it was seemless on both gas and petrol.
Started on petrol & then flicked over to gas once the revs got above 2500rpm.

Still deciding which to go with on the senator but wondering if anyone has worked out how many klms you roughly need to cover before the system pays for itself?

[T2000]

JTG LiLPG... you'll be kicking yourself in less than a year if you dont.

This was my mainline dyno chart running on LiLPG at just 5500rpm.
Aborted due to excessive axle tramp & wheel spin.
Need a dyno with a better strapping setup & a 1/4m ET.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r373/chrisbarwick7/car/Rotrex/1957304085.png

[73LJWhiteSL]

I have the JTG LiLPG setup in my VX SS installed by Auto Gas Injection as well and I am quite happy with it. The economy i'm getting is not quite what I wanted, but then the economy on Petrol is a bit average too. I have a feeling one of the previous owners may have had the tune adjusted somewhere as I see about 20L/100 on LiLPG, 16L/100 on ULP & 15L/100 on PULP around town. On the open road 11L/100 on LiLPG and 10L/100 on PULP.
Other than cat back exhaust with high flow muffler the car is stock (as far as I am aware).

A few weeks after I had the system installed I went to a car club dyno day. Sheet is below. Red Run is PULP, Blue Run is LiLPG. Yes I know it leaned out on the LiLPG, but I did have Rob tweak it when it went in for the first service a week or two later. At some stage I would love to stick a set of extractors and a OTR on it and get it all tuned, but that will have to wait.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t241/73LJWhiteSL/misc/dyno-red-PULP-blue-LPG.jpg

Figures were 201kw on PULP and 212kw on LiLPG.

Steve

[ratter]

JTG LiLPG... you'll be kicking yourself in less than a year if you dont.

This was my mainline dyno chart running on LiLPG at just 5500rpm.
Aborted due to excessive axle tramp & wheel spin.
Need a dyno with a better strapping setup & a 1/4m ET.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r373/chrisbarwick7/car/Rotrex/1957304085.png


Just a correction, that's not a mainline :eyes:

[daskip]

i have a KME gold vapor injection installed on my LS2 which is sold by ELKO in australia.

never have any issues with it supplying the required gas when at WOT but around town it does a tank in around 300km on the highway 550-600km but ill put that down to the 231/237 cam thats installed :jester:

[T2000]

Just a correction, that's not a mainline :eyes:


Happy to be corrected by someone with more knowledge but AFAIK or can remember....

MDX is a model of mainline which proceeded the Dynolog models. ?
MDX's can be upgraded to Dynolog (not sure what this involves but pretty sure it's not cheap)
MDX=older mainline
Dynolog=newer mainline (but people just call them "Mainlines")

Cheers, Chris

[DaveHAT]

I've got a sprint gas vapour system fitted and have had it for about 3 years now. Very happy with it but if given the choice over again I'd go liquid injection.

Quoted power figures and other alleged bullshit aside ... liquid is just neater with less clutter.

No vaporisors and extra heater hoses to arse about with. If you can stretch to liquid ... go that way.

[QIKMIK]

I was wondering what is used for the fuel gauge with LiLPG? Does the JTG kit come with a different gauge to install or do they tap into the factory one? Also, does the trip computer range to empty function work with gas?

Mick

[T2000]

I was wondering what is used for the fuel gauge with LiLPG? Does the JTG kit come with a different gauge to install or do they tap into the factory one? Also, does the trip computer range to empty function work with gas?

Mick

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1109/110942_10lo.jpg

Very similar to this ^ gauge/switch

So not on the factory gauge, splicing into it may create problems on any CAN-BUS vehicle.

Trip computer (distance to empty) references fuel remaining in your petrol tank... so it will no work as expected on LPG.

Cheers, Chris

[muso]

I have JTG li gas on my tuned BA xr6 Turbo, it makes about 270 rwkw's

Power similar on both fuels economy rotten on gas good on petrol don't know why, I really don't believe the JTG gas economy claims I read sometimes.
I can get 19L/100 at best around town and maybe 16L/100 on a trip.
It is a small 46 litre gas tank and my best range ever was about 250 km's around town (usually 220). Nobody can find anything wrong :confused:

Would I buy JTG again........yes I would in spite of all the hype I would still prefer the JTG system due to it's neat under bonnet presentation but I think considering the fact that it has fewer parts and seems less complicated that vapour systems the price is.......excessive but still worth it IMO.

I am still contemplating getting a VE Calais V 6.0 next year and converting to JTG again, maybe this time I'll have more luck and get gas economy somewhere near what is claimed! But I will really miss the power of the tuned xr6t but a few mods should hopefully fix that :)

But I am also very interested in what other gas injection kits there are and how they compare to JTG.

[lease1]

Power similar on both fuels economy rotten on gas good on petrol don't know why, I really don't believe the JTG gas economy claims I read sometimes.
I can get 19L/100 at best around town and maybe 16L/100 on a trip.
It is a small 46 litre gas tank and my best range ever was about 250 km's around town (usually 220). Nobody can find anything wrong confused

I'd get your tune checked. T2000's cammed and supercharged 6.0 litre is using high 7's on the highway cycle.

[ratter]

Muso, your economy issues are most likely related to the calibrator and tune issues you have been experiencing, the factory ecu in closed loop can only adjust to a certain amount and the calibrator size you are using would most likely have exceded that limit, let alone it will be pig rich at low rpm in open loop

[muso]

The car had bad gas economy when it was stock and running D2 callibrators, the tunes have only increased the power, the gas consumption has remained the same over the 2.5 years that I've owned the car, I'm pretty well over it now.

As I said next year I will maybe get a Calais V 6.0 and convert that to JTG LI gas. But I love the power my xr6t makes and will as mentioned miss that when I get a Calais V 6.0.

[lease1]

As I said next year I will maybe get a Calais V 6.0 and convert that to JTG LI gas. But I love the power my xr6t makes and will as mentioned miss that when I get a Calais V 6.0.

You will easily get 270rwkw and more out of 6.0 and relatively cheaply too. The only thing you'll miss will be waving goodbye to the xr6t drivers, as they'll always be in your rear view mirror :nyuk:

[estate]

Geez I have an ancient impco set up and I get 15 on hwy . 60lt tank gets me 400km +

[GMMAD]

Just a correction, that's not a mainline :eyes:
yes it is..............

[ls1vt209]

JTG is the way to go, there is not a person I know that has done bolt ons that has stopped, so future proof yourself.


And on the MDX not being a mainline proof is in the article http://www.ausauto.com/index.php?page=news_article&aid=1448

[muso]

You will easily get 270rwkw and more out of 6.0 and relatively cheaply too. The only thing you'll miss will be waving goodbye to the xr6t drivers, as they'll always be in your rear view mirror :nyuk:

Yeah I've heard that with cam tune etc you can get the 6.0 VE into the 12's, if I could get it to at least match my xr6t I'd be happy, I still want smooth idle.

JTG LI Gas is good for mods I'd certainly do it again!

[redvxr8clubby]

I have the JTG LiLPG setup in my VX SS installed by Auto Gas Injection as well and I am quite happy with it. The economy i'm getting is not quite what I wanted, but then the economy on Petrol is a bit average too. I have a feeling one of the previous owners may have had the tune adjusted somewhere as I see about 20L/100 on LiLPG, 16L/100 on ULP & 15L/100 on PULP around town. On the open road 11L/100 on LiLPG and 10L/100 on PULP.
Other than cat back exhaust with high flow muffler the car is stock (as far as I am aware).

Figures were 201kw on PULP and 212kw on LiLPG.

Steve

My recently traded VX II LS1 Calais fuel consumption was around 16 l/100Km around town (on 91 not E10)), so I think your fuel consumption is normal. My around town use is a 30 Km trip across Sydney in peak traffic, average speed about 30km/h. Once the average speed goes up then the fuel consuption improves. When in Brisbane, driving around outer Brisbane suburbs the consumption was more like 11.5 L/100Km. but average speed much better. I figure if you 16l/100Km on petrol, that 20 L/100 Km on gas is to be expected. I used to have a dedicated gas Falcon wagon at work a few years ago, and about 25% extra consumption of gas compared to a petrol car seems about the figure (about 19l/ 100 Km around town, and 12.5 l/100 Km on highway trip).

[lease1]

My S2 Omega 3.0 litre SIDI work car uses anywhere between 13 to 16 litres per 100. And thats a mixture of highway and semi city use. It has a little bit of gear in it and is not very aerodynamic due to some added extras, but I thought it would be better than that.

[T2000]

My S2 Omega 3.0 litre SIDI work car uses anywhere between 13 to 16 litres per 100. And thats a mixture of highway and semi city use. It has a little bit of gear in it and is not very aerodynamic due to some added extras, but I thought it would be better than that.

Probably being influenced by your "digital" use of the throttle and the fact that you dont pay for the fuel :D

Does make our "gas guzzlers" look very fast and very economical though :D

[feistl]

I know this has been answered before (but cant find the answer) but whats the maximum power output for LiLPG on a one injector/pump setup.

Also, whats the biggest tank someones fitted to a commodore? Im still considering cutting out the spare wheel well, removing the fuel tank (fitting a very small fuel cell for starting the car) and fitting a big ass tank. At minimum i want 80 usable litres, but ideally more. As luis already said dual tanks doesnt look like an easy/possible option.

Im trying to decide which path to take...

1. Keep my current LS1 stroker and rebuild it with bigger/better parts and fit up a harrop hurricane manifold and convert to LPG.

2. Scrap the 383 and build up a 427ci LS7 using harrops new hurricane. Unfortunately i would require dual pumps/dual injectors if i go LPG, and petrol fuel bill will be (too) expensive.

Just a shame dual tanks isnt easily possible as i reckon theres enough room for 2*68L tanks which would give a range of over 1000km for ~$60.

Tough choice really... :S

[spudmo]

can vcm suite run dual tunes for liquid lpg or is it only efi live.
(looked in the liquid lpg thread but it was 52 pages and couldnt find it)

[T2000]

I know this has been answered before (but cant find the answer) but whats the maximum power output for LiLPG on a one injector/pump setup.

Also, whats the biggest tank someones fitted to a commodore? Im still considering cutting out the spare wheel well, removing the fuel tank (fitting a very small fuel cell for starting the car) and fitting a big ass tank. At minimum i want 80 usable litres, but ideally more. As luis already said dual tanks doesnt look like an easy/possible option.

Im trying to decide which path to take...

1. Keep my current LS1 stroker and rebuild it with bigger/better parts and fit up a harrop hurricane manifold and convert to LPG.

2. Scrap the 383 and build up a 427ci LS7 using harrops new hurricane. Unfortunately i would require dual pumps/dual injectors if i go LPG, and petrol fuel bill will be (too) expensive.

Just a shame dual tanks isnt easily possible as i reckon theres enough room for 2*68L tanks which would give a range of over 1000km for ~$60.

Tough choice really... :S

I'm sure Luis would have a more accurate figure... but until he chimes in I can tell you that around 400+ rwkw should be possible (based upon the sort of numbers mine ran up on the dyno and the corresponding log files)

And if money is no object I would go the LS7.

or add option 3?

Good value for money ATM= LS3 crate motor & a magnacharger PD kit. Approx $12000 should get you close. Should be more drivable and with more torque than a NA LS7. :woot:

Look forward to seeing how you progress with your PULP fuel cell and custom LPG tank imstall - make sure you keep us posted :popcorn:

[lease1]

I know this has been answered before (but cant find the answer) but whats the maximum power output for LiLPG on a one injector/pump setup.

Also, whats the biggest tank someones fitted to a commodore? Im still considering cutting out the spare wheel well, removing the fuel tank (fitting a very small fuel cell for starting the car) and fitting a big ass tank. At minimum i want 80 usable litres, but ideally more. As luis already said dual tanks doesnt look like an easy/possible option.

Im trying to decide which path to take...

1. Keep my current LS1 stroker and rebuild it with bigger/better parts and fit up a harrop hurricane manifold and convert to LPG.

2. Scrap the 383 and build up a 427ci LS7 using harrops new hurricane. Unfortunately i would require dual pumps/dual injectors if i go LPG, and petrol fuel bill will be (too) expensive.

Just a shame dual tanks isnt easily possible as i reckon theres enough room for 2*68L tanks which would give a range of over 1000km for ~$60.

Tough choice really... :S

I have a 110 litre torpedo tank, with about 90 usable litres

[T2000]

can vcm suite run dual tunes for liquid lpg or is it only efi live.
(looked in the liquid lpg thread but it was 52 pages and couldnt find it)

Pretty sure it is only available as a custom operating system using efi live and utilising the FLEX FUEL tables... (that is what I am using).

[feistl]

I'm sure Luis would have a more accurate figure... but until he chimes in I can tell you that around 400+ rwkw should be possible (based upon the sort of numbers mine ran up on the dyno and the corresponding log files)

Interesting. I was kinda of hoping i could build up the 383 to around 340-350rwkw without having to worry about reaching the full capacity of the LPG system.


And if money is no object I would go the LS7.

Well moneys always an issue, but just looking at the costs of rebuilding the 383 ($5k?) compared to a LS7 ($15k but id get a couple of grand back selling the 383 means its "only" a $8-10k upgrade). But then i would have to go petrol as LPG would be too expensive for the dual pump/injector setup.


or add option 3?

Good value for money ATM= LS3 crate motor & a magnacharger PD kit. Approx $12000 should get you close. Should be more drivable and with more torque than a NA LS7. :woot:

I specifically want a naturally aspirated engine with instant throttle response, hence going a 8 throttle body setup either way. Nothing agasint forced induction (obviously gives much better results for way less money) but its just not my thing. Plus i track the car a lot and keeping the intake temps down is going to be an issue after a few hours non-stop.

I have thought about doing an LS3 conversion, but if im going to that much effort i may as well go a custom built LS7 from the states (assuming the aussie dollar rebounds a bit)


Look forward to seeing how you progress with your PULP fuel cell and custom LPG tank imstall - make sure you keep us posted :popcorn:

Yeah, will do. I have spoken to Luis about this previously (ill be going to him when i do eventually do the engine) but ive been focusing on the drivetrain/brakes/interior/cooling etc. Ive got a custom T56 magnum and billet driveshaft on their way :). Amazingly the engine itself will be one of the cheapest upgrades...


I have a 110 litre torpedo tank, with about 90 usable litres

Interesting, do you have any dimensions (eg length/width) and where abouts is it stored?

Cheers, Errol

[ratter]

We have found that on the turbo 6's, that a twin pump setup is needed at approx 280 rwkw+

[Wonky]

Yeah I've heard that with cam tune etc you can get the 6.0 VE into the 12's, if I could get it to at least match my xr6t I'd be happy, I still want smooth idle.

You can easily get into the 12s without a cam. My A6 ute ran 12s all day at the 2010 Nats with full exhaust, OTR, mafless tune and stock L76 running gear (inc DOD/AFM). However, it did have a 3.45 diff and that seemed to be the crucial factor compared to my previous SSV sedan with the same power almost to the kw but stock 2.92 diff. It could only manage best of 13.17 at the same track.

[T2000]

We have found that on the turbo 6's, that a twin pump setup is needed at approx 280 rwkw+

Surely you mean 380???

Mine was easily>280 when NA and showed no sign of leaning out on LPG.
Now it is>360 with the FI setup and AFR's still seem okay.

oh... & apology accepted re the "Mainline" :stick: ... LOL

[ratter]

No I mean 280 but as mentioned on turbo 6's, but the delta fuel pressures is probably the difference there.







(sorry about the mainline) :1peek:

[T2000]

No I mean 280 but as mentioned on turbo 6's, but the delta fuel pressures is probably the difference there.







(sorry about the mainline) :1peek:

LOL at the small font - all good mate, I am wrong frequently - just ask my wife!

Yeah just starting to understand the whole Delta Map Inj pressure... was all a little backwards on first (& second) look... not sure how that relates to the XR6T's though.

Do you think that the 280 limit that you mention is influenced by the 6 injectors vs 8??? Perhaps the limitation is not the LiLPG fuel pump in the XR6's but the injectors? As stated the single pump, tweaked VAC Reg and the 8 injectors in mine have certainly been able to meet commanded AFR's (So Far). But I do think I am getting close the limit :eeeeek:... then again 350-400rwkw in a daily is probably enough :D

Cheers, Chris

[ratter]

Thought you would like the small font, agree about the wife thing.

Injector number may have a small affect on final flow but the calibrators can be drilled larger and larger with out getting any more flow but then a 2nd pump fitted and things become better, but we are getting off topic talking about the turbo 6 in this thread, we install jtg kits and also do tuning, so I have developed my own way of doing things on the turbo 6 and seem to be getting better results than what some others are getting, Muso should agree with that as he has seen some of the dyno sheets on other forums

[muso]

You can easily get into the 12s without a cam. My A6 ute ran 12s all day at the 2010 Nats with full exhaust, OTR, mafless tune and stock L76 running gear (inc DOD/AFM). However, it did have a 3.45 diff and that seemed to be the crucial factor compared to my previous SSV sedan with the same power almost to the kw but stock 2.92 diff. It could only manage best of 13.17 at the same track.


Hey Wonky, what is the stock diff/final drive ratio of the VE Calais V 6.0?
2.92 gears would certainly hurt the 400m that's a tall ratio.

[Wonky]

All Holden VE A6 V8 come from the factory with 2.92. SS/SSV are LSD, Calais, Caprice are stock non LSD, optional LSD.

[muso]

Cheers for that info wonky, I wonder who would option the 6.0 V8 without an LSD!

[Wonky]

I reckon most of the non-technically inclined people who buy Calais/Caprice would have no idea............

[muso]

I reckon most of the non-technically inclined people who buy Calais/Caprice would have no idea............

Yeah, your are probably right...shame though!

But someone who has no idea about an LSD would also have no idea about burnouts so that would make Calais and Statesman a good buy :)

Any way I think I've strayed too far away from the thread topic :eek:

cheers Wonky have a good one :)

[Tiger Blood]

We just got our 2010 Toyota Corolla on liquid LPG this week.
So far we have done a 100km test and it scored well.

This was tested on the pump not by the computer, filled it up full drove around took it back to the same servo same pump number.

we got 9.52L per 100km @ 65.9c per L that works out to be $6.27 to travel 100km.

Not bad really.

The fuel usage is only marginally higher than normal E-10 usually gets us by the computer on the car around the 8-8.2L per 100km.
98octane i have seen it around the 7.2L per 100km.

I'm going to do a few more logs on it for fuel economy and see if the injectors need any adjustment.

[QIKMIK]

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1109/110942_10lo.jpg

Very similar to this ^ gauge/switch
Re the fuel gauge and on/off button, I wondering if you might be able to wire this one in instead of using the supplied item for a more integrated look?

http://www.hsv.com.au/e3/images/see/features/LPi.jpg

Mick

[T2000]

Re the fuel gauge and on/off button, I wondering if you might be able to wire this one in instead of using the supplied item for a more integrated look?

http://www.hsv.com.au/e3/images/see/features/LPi.jpg

Mick

Hi Mick,

Yeah good idea, I did think about that when the articles started appearing about the HSV Orbital setup being in testing. Now that it is an option I will go and see the local dealership and see what the $damage$ is for the factory LPG switch/gauge.

If I find any details (part no.s & pricing) I'll share... unless someone beats me to it. ;)

Cheers, Chris

[abrowne70]

I cant find a pic at the moment, but there was a kit in development which i went to melbourne for training on and the switch was a touch screen little number intergrated into the dash panel.

Touch the top corner of it and it gives fuel economy, fuel remaining in the tank etc.

Was a very trick bit of gear

[ratter]

the company went into receivership just after they released it to the market

[abrowne70]

the company went into receivership just after they released it to the market

Yeah very well awear of that, was going to be a good bit of gear, majority aussie made

[amckiwi]

My gauge is mounted where the ashtray wld go in the VE

Out of sight unless you look down to check it.
Stu

[PoweredByCNG]

Guys, HSV is using the standard Vialle LPI switch which is the same switch that aftermarket Orbital LPI installs use - a round grey and black switch with five blue LEDs around the top to denote the level of gas in the tank and a blue/red LED in the middle of the button to denote the system status.

[flukey]

the company went into receivership just after they released it to the market

AFI went broke.

Orbital are still going strong with their liquid injection
:)

[lidar]

the company went into receivership just after they released it to the market


I have it. I contacted Orbital today and they informed me that it is untrue. They train installers to fit their systems. The installers go broke.
All good for Orbital.....:D

[lidar]

Check mine out.

I too have the round dial with blue lights and orange for when you push the middle to change to ULP. (Or it does it itself when LPG empty)

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=153926

[ratter]

I have it. I contacted Orbital today and they informed me that it is untrue. They train installers to fit their systems. The installers go broke.
All good for Orbital.....:D

I was talking about AFI not orbital

[lidar]

I was talking about AFI not orbital

AFI did not release it.

[ratter]

If I remember correctly AFI had a few cars converted for the public

[lidar]

Right. So they went bust then. Okay.

[ratter]

heres one install

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11323628

A link to the issues, there are plenty more

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/CD7DC336D2D71DE0CA25786F0027D371

AFI may have been taken over by another company and may be operating again, but the earlier post was accurate at the time of posting

[lidar]

http://www.orbitalautogas.com.au/

[ratter]

I cant find a pic at the moment, but there was a kit in development which i went to melbourne for training on and the switch was a touch screen little number intergrated into the dash panel.

Touch the top corner of it and it gives fuel economy, fuel remaining in the tank etc.

Was a very trick bit of gear


the company went into receivership just after they released it to the market

My comment was regarding the top quote which was an AFI kit, nothing to do with orbital.