What parts of a rim are structural?

[ClubManic]

Hi Guys,
After getting my VT II Clubsport home I needed to get a Road Worthy Check done as I have to transfer rego from one state to another. Turns out one of the rims has a crack in it. So I order a used replacement which arrived a week later and it too has a crack in it (dealing with that to get another one with the seller, thank you ebay for your buyer protection).

When I got the RWC done he said it may be repairable but no-one would repair it if the damage was structural. But I have no idea what that means (beyond the obvious) so I was hoping someone on here could tell me what would be considered structural damage. It seems to me that the complete mag is structural.

My rim, and the cracked replacement, have a crack just where the spoke meets the center part with the holes for the wheel nuts. If you think of 2 spokes forming a U shape, then it is just where the U starts curving at the bottom.

I will post pics of the crack in the replacement, which is almost exactly where the original one is, to give you a better idea. I think this will count as my tenth post so should be able to post it after this.

Thanks.

[ClubManic]

Here's a pic of the cracked replacement which is close enough to my original one.

Sorry, aparently you need 20 posts to use images or links.

http :// services.geometryit.com/download/cracked_rim.jpg

[muzza]

Best get it assessed by a qualified wheel repairer. I agree that the wheel itself is structural as all road forces of gravity, cornering and braking get passed through from tyre to rim, spokes then hub. One crack means greater force is being taken by other spokes, more flexing and greater chance of the crack propagating.

[boggers007]

Here's a pic of the cracked replacement which is close enough to my original one.

Sorry, aparently you need 20 posts to use images or links.

http :// services.geometryit.com/download/cracked_rim.jpg

The structural part like any building would be the beams/columns which in this case are your centre and spokes of the rims.

[ClubManic]

It seems a bit strange for me to receive 2 mags with almost the same crack in them. Are these rims known for this? Are they weak or is this a common type of crack? Anyone know how this might have happened?

I expect more from HSV, but I guess everything has its limits and they are about 12 years old now.

[Plenty]

Sounds like you have purchased a set of cheap arse runs, if they're cracking like that do you really want to be driving around on them?

[ClubManic]

Sounds like you have purchased a set of cheap arse runs, if they're cracking like that do you really want to be driving around on them?

These are the original mags for the VT II Clubsport, not aftermarket ones. Could be cheap copies I guess but since I didn't purchase them, and assumed they were original when I bought it last week, I don't really know.

[Peter B - CV8]

These are the original mags for the VT II Clubsport, not aftermarket ones. Could be cheap copies I guess but since I didn't purchase them, and assumed they were original when I bought it last week, I don't really know.

Genuine HSV rims should have a appropriate HSV logo/stamp on them (inside hub area from memory) - the ones you have sound like knockoff's. Don't risk yourself & other road users by getting cracked rims repaired.

[duke5700]

http://services.geometryit.com/download/cracked_rim.jpg

[ClubManic]

Genuine HSV rims should have a appropriate HSV logo/stamp on them (inside hub area from memory) - the ones you have sound like knockoff's. Don't risk yourself & other road users by getting cracked rims repaired.

The replacement does have the HSF stamp on the inside of the rim.

Not sure about the ones that came on the car though as I don't have them on me at the moment.

Thanks for uploading the image for me.

[IJ.]

Maybe it's just me but that wheel would make a nice hose reel in the garden....

Had a couple of wheels let go over the years so I won't take chances on anything suspect.

[ClubManic]

Maybe it's just me but that wheel would make a nice hose reel in the garden....

Haha, I was just discussing using it as a plant holder in a garden with my work mates.

Since I now have 2 cracked mags, I could even get artistic and plant some flowers in the shape of a commodore around them.

If only I was the gardening type...

[bush_basha]

The replacement does have the HSF stamp on the inside of the rim.


That's your problem right there, you need HSV to be stamped on the inside, lol.

[IJ.]

Haha, I was just discussing using it as a plant holder in a garden with my work mates.

Since I now have 2 cracked mags, I could even get artistic and plant some flowers in the shape of a commodore around them.

If only I was the gardening type...

LOL'd for real :)

I think WheelKing still has them new, might be worth a look but it's NOT going to be cheap :(

[ClubManic]

That's your problem right there, you need HSV to be stamped on the inside, lol.

Took me a bit, thought you might be nuts, but I finally noticed my typo. Oops.

[ClubManic]

I think WheelKing still has them new, might be worth a look but it's NOT going to be cheap :(

I believe about $750 a rim.

I would just get a set of aftermarket ones for a bit more than that.

I like the mags and I like the clubby being original, but not that much.

[HOLDAN]

[QUOTE=IJ.;1965258]Maybe it's just me but that wheel would make a nice hose reel in the garden....

Are you "Cameron" from Modern Family? lol

[mickeyVX350]

I had similar rims on my old HBD Berlina... They were HSV champ'98 wheels, same design except the fib had a flat top, not a ridge... Funny, they cracked too, and Holden wouldn't warranty them. Have a set on the misuses VT, and one looks cracked... I think it's a dicky alloy in that series.

[HSV,_I_GOT_ONE]

Two of my R8 wheels (18's) had buckled. I was wondering why I was losing wheel nuts every few months! This was just from everyday suburban driving, no dirt or rough roads. I don't think the quality was really there in the alloys being made for that era to be honest.

[TIR33D]

Unfortunately throw away.......

[ClubManic]

Unfortunately throw away.......

Starting to think that way about the good ones.

I was hoping to leave the standard mags on it but if they are this weak then a new set may be in my future.

Already have a replacement for the replacement wheel on the way (the rim I ordered came with the same crack in it) so I will leave them all on for now and check them regularly.

Maybe I should just get a new set and leave the originals stored until I sell the car. Given I've only just bought it, that won't be for quite a few years yet but I didn't buy a performance car to be worried about breaking things. That's what standard cars are for.

[TIR33D]

Small cracks in the band where the tyre beads are repairable but often fail later on the opposite side of the rim, what you have is much more structural, have you ever seen photos of just the spokes left bolted onto the car where the whole wheel has snapped away. Thats is what your heading for..

[klink]

http://services.geometryit.com/download/cracked_rim.jpg

looking at that picture im sure that who ever sold them would be liable if your told they are new etc.

As i would find it hard to believe that that would have got through quality control.

Even the die caster would have picked that up at time of manufacture as it looks like was stuck in the mould/die. and if it got pat that stage the fettlers should have picked it.

As i know the companies i have worked for making mag rims and engine parts for holden in adelaide would not have let that go.

[ClubManic]

looking at that picture im sure that who ever sold them would be liable if your told they are new etc.


No, it was a used mag but it did explicitly state no visible dents or cracks. Another (used) one is on the way.

I was thinking of repairing one of the cracked ones to use as a spare wheel, if possible. Now I'm not so sure if that is a wise decision.

[mickeyVX350]

That's where my Champ '98 cracked.

[seedyrom]

24 replies and no one's had a go at PlanetDavo yet?

You guys are ****ed. Maybe I expect too much

:wave:

[VYSHSV8]

24 replies and no one's had a go at PlanetDavo yet?

You guys are ****ed. Maybe I expect too much

:wave:

I was gonna but couldn't be bothered lol

Actually fark it,
I thought only Chinese copies cracked and not genuine ones ;)
Oh that's right Holden/HSV come from a different factory in china/Taiwan/Japan where ever

There ya go mate
C'mon PD please explain why they have cracked