Filling 6L80E

[ORRBI]

Just for anyone one intersted in a caddy pan, I've order one with trans filter and gasket from w w w . o e h q . c o m
Cost $169 dollars US frieghted to my door. I only ordered it last night and those parts have to be ordered in which they say
3 to 5 days. So hopefully i'll get them in around 3 weeks times.
Part numbers are
ACD24250062 caddy pan
ACD24236931 tranny filter
ACD24224781 caddy pan gasket.

I'll let you guys know when they turn up and if the company was good to deal with.

Not sure but is that the same tranny filter part number that wonky used?

[Wonky]

Yep, 24236931 is the filter I got too. :)

[Wonky]

Well, it seems to have taken forever but according to online tracking our Caddy filters (which arrived at the Chicago sort facility on Feb 17 Aus time) finally arrived at the Australian sort facility (hopefully Melbourne???) on Wed arvo, so will hopefully be delivered today or Monday at the latest. Hopefully gaz05 can let us know who has the Caddy pans so I can start selling these to recoup some money I've outlaid. :)

[Wonky]

Now have 12 Caddy filters. :goodjob:

[G4RS_GM]

Just for anyone one intersted in a caddy pan, I've order one with trans filter and gasket from w w w . o e h q . c o m
Cost $169 dollars US frieghted to my door. I only ordered it last night and those parts have to be ordered in which they say
3 to 5 days. So hopefully i'll get them in around 3 weeks times.
Part numbers are
ACD24250062 caddy pan
ACD24236931 tranny filter
ACD24224781 caddy pan gasket.

I'll let you guys know when they turn up and if the company was good to deal with.

Not sure but is that the same tranny filter part number that wonky used?

Keep us posted mate on how you go. I just checked there website out, and the reviews i've read all seem very good. I don't think you'll have any dramas. I'm keen on this mod also, so i'll check back and see how you went with your purchase.

Cheers

[gigantor]

very interested in how this turns out

[Wonky]

gaz05 - can you please let people know who has the Caddy pans so I can sell them the Caddy filters to recoup some money? Not being able to work now means I'm constantly walking a thin line money wise and need to pay off my credit card bill before I cop too much interest. :)

[SilverVH]

Had any luck getting onto gaz wonky?

I don't want to see you copping the bill for helping out.

[Roonstain]

Yeah, the sooner we know who is getting one, the sooner everyone can fix up Wonky so he isn't out of pocket

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

well i havent heard from GAZ05 for quite a while ?

[gaz05]

I am here, also very busy, will get the rest done this weekend and then workout who wants one.

[ORRBI]

I am here, also very busy, will get the rest done this weekend and then workout who wants one.

Hi Gaz,
are you willing to share what you have done to modify the caddy pans with people that
are going to do this mod themselves, ie baffling, extra oil, and any other things you have found?

[Wonky]

Posted one filter to far northern Vic yesterday and it cost me $14.70 including the box and registered post, so my guess of $15 seems to have been pretty close. The filter measures approx 23cm long, 17cm wide and 18cm high and the post office didn't have a box anywhere near those dimensions so I had to get one almost twice as big as necessary, plus some airbags to fill it up for some sort of protection. I'm going to see if I can find some boxes far nearer the size so I can prepare each filter for sending at home, including padding, to make it easier for myself as soon as gaz05 says the pans are ready to go. According to what I've seen on http://auspost.com.au/apps/domestic-parcel.html reducing the size of the box won't affect the postage but will just make it easier for me.

Sending to Perth for example adds just over $4 to the cost, so I'm going to have to work out each one individually.

[heavyduty1340]

Wonky

Gaz05 has told me previously that there will be a pan for me, so once WA post is sorted, I can pay you

[VYSHSV8]

Wonks just post it to Faedy and I will fix ya up for the post ok :)

[Tre-Cool]

Wonks, I'm in melbourne till end of march, so im willing to take back the perth ones. I can fit them in my suitcase around my clothes.

I'll limit to about 4 though. (including 1 for me)

[ORRBI]

[QUOTE=ORRBI;2000093]Just for anyone one intersted in a caddy pan, I've order one with trans filter and gasket from w w w . o e h q . c o m
Cost $169 dollars US frieghted to my door. I only ordered it last night and those parts have to be ordered in which they say
3 to 5 days. So hopefully i'll get them in around 3 weeks times.
Part numbers are
ACD24250062 caddy pan
ACD24236931 tranny filter
ACD24224781 caddy pan gasket.

I'll let you guys know when they turn up and if the company was good to deal with.



All parts turned up friday with aust post.
Just under 3 weeks. The company was very good,
supplied me with tracking number and the packaging
was exceptional.

[Wonky]

Wonks, I'm in melbourne till end of march, so im willing to take back the perth ones. I can fit them in my suitcase around my clothes.

I'll limit to about 4 though. (including 1 for me)

OK Dave. That makes it easy!! Next time you're going to be in the south eastern suburbs let me know in advance and I'll meet you somewhere to hand them over, or I could even leave them at Chev's for you so you can just call in and pick them up whenever's convenient.

[etrocket]

So are these done yet? Sorry been on holidays

[Wonky]

Tre-Cool picked up four Caddy filters from me yesterday for himself and a few guys back in WA (nice to meet you Dave! :)) and I've sent one off to the guy who bought the last Caddy pan I got, so allowing one for me I have six left. One is for Roonstain and I think daztheclipper wants one too if gaz05 has a pan for him. Whichever way, I believe I have enough for whoever gaz05 has modified pans for (he's obviously still busy as haven't heard any more from him).

[Wonky]

Any updates please gaz? I'm keen to recoup my money on the filters. :)

[G4RS_GM]

[QUOTE=ORRBI;2000093]Just for anyone one intersted in a caddy pan, I've order one with trans filter and gasket from w w w . o e h q . c o m
Cost $169 dollars US frieghted to my door. I only ordered it last night and those parts have to be ordered in which they say
3 to 5 days. So hopefully i'll get them in around 3 weeks times.
Part numbers are
ACD24250062 caddy pan
ACD24236931 tranny filter
ACD24224781 caddy pan gasket.

I'll let you guys know when they turn up and if the company was good to deal with.



All parts turned up friday with aust post.
Just under 3 weeks. The company was very good,
supplied me with tracking number and the packaging
was exceptional.

Hey ORRBI, have you fitted these parts up as yet? If so, how would you compare it to the stock setup? On what i'm reading here, it sounds like it'll solve the dreaded flaring issue in the A6.
Good to hear the company you used was great to deal with, always makes things easier.

Cheers mate.

[ORRBI]

Not yet mate. Was hoping to see a modified caddy pan first.

[G4RS_GM]

Not yet mate. Was hoping to see a modified caddy pan first.

No worries mate. Looking forward to seeing how it all works out.

[Wonky]

Not yet mate. Was hoping to see a modified caddy pan first.

Getting on for four weeks ago gaz05 said he hoped to complete them the next weekend, so hopefully they're getting close now. He hasn't logged on for almost a week, so probably busy again/still. :(

[Wonky]

I am here, also very busy, will get the rest done this weekend and then workout who wants one.

Just wondering how it's going gaz as that post was a month ago now. :)

[T2000]

Just wondering how it's going gaz as that post was a month ago now. :)

Bump - Gaz?????????

Easy sale & want to send some cash to Wonky for a filter so he's not out of pocket! ETA on the pans?

[Wonky]

Fortunately I've now sold 5 of the filters so am not as much out of pocket as I was, but would still like to sell the rest as soon as I can. Gaz has been online most days ......... :(

[T2000]

Fortunately I've now sold 5 of the filters so am not as much out of pocket as I was, but would still like to sell the rest as soon as I can. Gaz has been online most days ......... :(

PM me your bank details mate & how much I owe you for filter & postage. I'll grab 2 filters off you. If Gaz doesn't reappear then I'll order some pans & see if I can get the mods sorted locally.

Cheers, Chris

[Wonky]

PM sent thanks Chris. :)

[T2000]

PM sent thanks Chris. :)

You have mail & cash :eyes:

[T2000]

Getting on for four weeks ago gaz05 said he hoped to complete them the next weekend, so hopefully they're getting close now. He hasn't logged on for almost a week, so probably busy again/still. :(

.

* ATTENTION GAZ05 *

I hate to be a pest mate but there are a few of us here waiting & hoping for an update from you.


@Wonky...
Thanks again for everything mate - filters arrived today - CHEERS!

[Wonky]

Excellent thanks!! I'd also love an update from gaz05 please!! :yup: It's now been ages since he said that they'd be ready but totally understandable if he has had personal/family issues because we appreciate that the world doesn't revolve around cars - we just need an outlook/update please so we can plan. :)

[Holden Nut]

Hey guys. I have a VE V8 with the auto and I've been looking through this thread trying to find the rubber 'bung' where the top up hole is on this gearbox. I'll be buggered if I can find it. I presume you access it from underneath the car rather than down through the bonnet? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Wonky]

I am here, also very busy, will get the rest done this weekend and then workout who wants one.

That was over two months ago and no updates from gaz since.............. :bawl: Does anybody here have contact with him?

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Hey guys. I have a VE V8 with the auto and I've been looking through this thread trying to find the rubber 'bung' where the top up hole is on this gearbox. I'll be buggered if I can find it. I presume you access it from underneath the car rather than down through the bonnet? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

have a look here http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?151241-VE-6spd-auto-filler-plug&highlight=6l80e+filler+plug

[raff]

Hey guys. I have a VE V8 with the auto and I've been looking through this thread trying to find the rubber 'bung' where the top up hole is on this gearbox. I'll be buggered if I can find it. I presume you access it from underneath the car rather than down through the bonnet? Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Drivers side, lie on the ground, reach in and up the side of the gear box and the bung is located mid way up. Pull top up and the whole bung can be removed. I have pics on a transcooler thread I did a while back if you search.

On another note longest trans pan upgrade in history lads! Looking forward to hearing results once it all comes together!

[mickeyrourke]

Keen to hear if anyone who has actually fitted the deeper pan has had their flaring issues cured?
Flaring on mine is so bad now that I am wondering if it is even worth trying before a proper rebuild.

[HOLDAN]

Keen to hear if anyone who has actually fitted the deeper pan has had their flaring issues cured?
Flaring on mine is so bad now that I am wondering if it is even worth trying before a proper rebuild.

I've had a deeper pan fitted. Although it was one I had fabricated. Works a treat. Had 6 runs at Willowbank and it works very well.

[G4RS_GM]

This thread seems to have stalled for various reasons...but has anyone fitted up a caddy pan and filter as a direct replacement yet? If so, is it big improvement over the stock setup with flaring issues cured?

Cheers.

[mickeyrourke]

I have a caddy pan coming in the next two weeks so will know for sure if you can wait that long. Pace Performance sell them as a kit for the G8 so I would be very surprised if they don't fit but whether it fixes the flaring remains to be seen.

When the pan comes off, is there any way of telling if the clutches are rooted just by looking at them? Or does the whole tranny have to come out and/or apart to see?
I have a horrible feeling that the damage to my tranny may already be done.

[HOLDAN]

I have a caddy pan coming in the next two weeks so will know for sure if you can wait that long. Pace Performance sell them as a kit for the G8 so I would be very surprised if they don't fit but whether it fixes the flaring remains to be seen.

When the pan comes off, is there any way of telling if the clutches are rooted just by looking at them? Or does the whole tranny have to come out and/or apart to see?
I have a horrible feeling that the damage to my tranny may already be done.

I'm not sure if you can assess the condition of the clutch packs by removing the pan. I do know that because the gearbox had a learn function, it will make adjustments that can mask an emeging problem. Mine held together pretty well until I was getting massive slipping. I knew it was dead then. So since the rebuild, I've had the learn function turned off.

[G4RS_GM]

I have a caddy pan coming in the next two weeks so will know for sure if you can wait that long. Pace Performance sell them as a kit for the G8 so I would be very surprised if they don't fit but whether it fixes the flaring remains to be seen.

When the pan comes off, is there any way of telling if the clutches are rooted just by looking at them? Or does the whole tranny have to come out and/or apart to see?
I have a horrible feeling that the damage to my tranny may already be done.

Cool mate, looking forward to your feedback on the caddy pan setup once fitted. I've heard it's light years better than the stock pan...time will tell, keep us posted mate

Cheers.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

can allso get them from here for more $$
but my not be what you want as they use a STOCK filter that sits up on stands so the filter is NOT going to sit lower in the pan
http://www.yourcovers.com/transpan_11025.php

[Wonky]

Using stock filter seems to defeat part of the reason for going the way gaz05 did with his, plus those pans are a hell of a lot more expensive.

[morpheousssv]

Caddy deep pan and big mouth filter installed, have to say only difference it has made was reduce the running temp of the tranny about 15 to 20 degrees. Welded in the baffle to stop the big wave action also

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/morpheous07/Photo0052.jpghttp://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa362/morpheous07/Photo0051.jpg

[Wonky]

Interesting thanks. How did you work out how/where to do the baffle? Reducing the trans temps must be good for it - how do you measure those?

[Dieselman]

how do you measure those?

Go into the engineering mode on the dash Wonks and you can monitor tranny temps

I will have to pull my finger out and get my pan done. Been sitting in the shed for nearly 6 months :errr:

[heavyduty1340]

Wonky - how are our pans going??

[Wonky]

Having not heard from gaz for months I PMd someone who knows him and was told he's having some issues not related to this stuff plus the guy who apparently does a lot of the work for him had a heart attack and hasn't been able to work. I hope everything falls into place soon as between that and my E3 dash which has gone nowhere for months I'm finding it bloody frustrating......... :bawl:

[Tre-Cool]

faedy, im looking into getting some custom made locally. i just need to drop a pan off so he can get the template jet cut.

[mickeyrourke]

Caddy deep pan and big mouth filter installed, have to say only difference it has made was reduce the running temp of the tranny about 15 to 20 degrees.
So are you saying that your box flared before and despite this mod it still flares?

[morpheousssv]

So are you saying that your box flared before and despite this mod it still flares?

Yep still same on the shift was minor before and still is minor now - mod still value for money though with the lower oil temps

[SilverVH]

Yep still same on the shift was minor before and still is minor now - mod still value for money though with the lower oil temps

But how has the box been tuned?

[HOLDAN]

But how has the box been tuned?

For what it's worth, I've found that since I've had the deeper pan and baffles, the gearbox will occasionally flare under light throttle. I've discussed with my engine builder/tuner and he says that from time to time, the solenoids and valve bodies that control the shifting, stick a little. At the drag strip, the shifts are quick and sharp - no dramas

[morpheousssv]

same same here

[SilverVH]

So in saying that, it would be safe to assume that modifying the pan does assist in eliminating the issue of shift delay/flaring at the drag strip (or under similar circumstances). The partial throttle problem would be an un-related issue most likely. But in terms of fluid flow and line pressure, it seems the modified pan overcomes the problems associated with the standard VE pan?

[HOLDAN]

So in saying that, it would be safe to assume that modifying the pan does assist in eliminating the issue of shift delay/flaring at the drag strip (or under similar circumstances). The partial throttle problem would be an un-related issue most likely. But in terms of fluid flow and line pressure, it seems the modified pan overcomes the problems associated with the standard VE pan?

Correct. That's been my experience.

[Dieselman]

Hello all just thought I would let you know I have fitted up the pan and filter I got from Wonky. Haven't done much driving around yet but it does seem to shift a bit more direct into 2nd and 3rd (was in manual shift and it seemed to change quicker)

Got a few pics anyway

First thing is drain the old pan. Used a mates pit so made the job a bit easier :)

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03152950.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03152938.jpg

Pan removed

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03161043.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03161056.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03161049-1.jpg

Old and New

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03161514.jpg

Notice magnet in old pan

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03161437.jpg

New longer Caddy filter fitted

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03163347-1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03163341-1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03163332-1.jpg

Oil level for old pan

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03162521.jpg

Level for new pan. tried to extend this up to same level as original pan but found it hit on valve body due to location of the plug itself

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03162617.jpg

Baffle welded in new Caddy pan

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03174057.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03174048.jpg

New pan took exactly 4ltrs to fill with kero to level plug and 5ltrs to fill completly

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03180412.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-03180405.jpg

New pan fitted

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-04144042.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-04144046.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-04144133.jpg

View from the side level with the sill. Notice pan does not sit lower than the pipes

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-04144159.jpg

Tried a few of these while fitting - tastes better straight with ice :)

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l3/dieselman07/2012-10-04152042.jpg


Filled pan and took 5.7ltrs to get to level plug with engine running in N. Added another 500mls after refitting plug. I think you could safely put another 500ml in and still be roughly the same level as factory. Fire away if you have any more questions

[heavyduty1340]

Looks the goods

Hey Wonky - did you end up getting our pans sorted?

[Wonky]

Sorry, just got back from 3 weeks overseas. My baffled pan arrived from gaz05 just before we left so I left it with Chev to fit while we were away as he had the car there for some other stuff. I did get a PM from him saying they'd had to make a slight mod to make it fit and looking at Dieselman's posts I assume it was to do with the fill plug which gaz had extended to get more oil in. The lengthened fill plug came to just under the level of the top of the Caddy sump so I guess if you filled it till it was running out of the gasket then let a bit out you'd have the equivalent to what gaz intended. I will pick the car up later today.

I did ask gaz about the other pans in a PM before I went but haven't had a reply. I guess he may be waiting to see how mine goes before selling any more he has (he bought a further 8 from me to do the mods on so it's in his interests to sell them to recoup his money). Even if the mods don't 100% fix the flaring (I reckon they'll make a big diff) it's worth it to me just to have my A6 running cooler with a sizable increase in capacity.

PS I'll only know if it makes things worse as with Chev's A6 tune my basically never flared anyway - it's only been at the drags three times in over three years and never flared once! :goodjob: As morpheousssv found with his, I very occasionally get some very minor flaring at light throttle.

[Roonstain]

Good to hear wonks - keep us posted!

[Wonky]

Picked the car up yesterday arvo late and drove about 80km to a function then home. Maybe it's because for the past 3 weeks overseas I've only been in manuals but I was amazed at how smooth the A6 was!! :goodjob: Was it due to the new pan and extra capacity or had I just forgotten about it after being driven hundreds of kms in manuals? Who knows?? :confused:

[calais190]

As far as I can see in this thread, the summary for tackling flaring on this box is the following:

1. Try adding 500ml extra trans fluid. Failing this;
2. Tune the auto and look into trans line pressure. Failing this;
3. Change to the bigger caddy pan. failing this;
4. Build a new box...

Is this correct?

[Wonky]

As I said above, I'm still very impressed with how smooth the car is since I picked it back up a fortnight ago, not only the A6 but also in general as Chev also gave the tune a bit of a tweak. The A6 is almost seamless and smooth in changes and today I've been checking the trans temp through engineering mode. In normal driving (max 25km trips) I've yet to see it even reach 80C. I never tow (no towbar) and apart from the occasional (maybe twice a week on average?) short burst of WOT acceleration never give it a hard time due to my disabilities but like knowing I should never get the A6 fluid overly hot due to the extra capacity.

Those who have read the thread for a while may recall that I got the last 8 Caddy pans Holden had in Australia (they're not getting more) and sold them to gaz05 to modify along with one I got from the USA just to make sure they were identical. Given the hassles gaz has had I'm not sure whether he's done any but the one he sent back to me a month or so ago and I don't want to leave him high and dry but I'm also concerned for the guys I imported filters for from the USA many months ago in anticipation of him baffling the pans to suit. Therefore I PMd him a week ago to see if he was going to finish and sell them on to the guys waiting for them or whether I should just get some more in from the USA for those who already have the filters. He read the PM next day but hasn't replied so I suspect possibly he's lost interest with everything else going on in his life.

Therefore, particularly from those guys who've bought the Caddy filters in anticipation and assuming gaz05 isn't worried about finishing (baffling) and selling the Caddy pans is anyone interested in me getting a price on getting some from the USA? The baffling should be pretty easy for anyone with a welder.

[Dieselman]

Well I got my Calais out today and went for a spirited and the auto is definitely better. It was a little unsure just after the pan mod but I have put that down to learning how to change when it has oil !!

After that I did a full reset of the tranny controller and changed a bit in the tune. Shifts are now bang on and very positive in 1-2-3rd which it never used to be before.

A big thanks to Wonky for his time organizing my pan and filter :cheers:

Ben

[gaz05]

I still have 6 Caddy pans here, with minor baffling and the fill tube extended 17mm, (they require very little baffling when you have the correct amount of oil in them... VE pan is a different story) that puts the oil just below the gasket line like it does with the stock VE pan, however I didnt pull mine off to offer up the caddy pans to check for clearance, Wonky said his fill tube interferred with the valve body so the tube may have to be lowered, thats ok but you would have to add enough oil to get it up to where it should be. I can tell all you guys... the A6 box is fine when its tuned and the pan/baffle/oil level is addressed. I run my SSV VE with original A6 box with a TCE 4000 converter (no cooler) with my 427ci engine as my daily for 12months while tuning engine and trans, i drag raced it and had issues with the box flaring after it left the line..1.56 60ft ers. By the time we worked out the trans was starving for oil when it left the line and causing the line pressure to drop which lets the clutches go.. I thought it might be time to have a look at it. I give this box everything I could throw at it, 120K on it and when Sureshift pulled it apart it was not too bad, but I put a tune in the box when it had 6k on it. Got the box back, put my VE modded pan on, went to the drags and done some tweaks at the track, went a few 11.0s @ 128, backing off, next pass I run 10.82 @ 124 with a broken valve spring and hurt the engine, the box performs flawlessly. I then put my original 6 lt with a little 216@050 cam back in the car(idles smooth) with a 3000TCE converter, retuned the box and have drag raced it like that ever since, it has done heaps of 11.8@ 115mph with the NA 6lt and probably another 30 on the bottle. I run 11.15 @ 122 with a 125 shot and the box still shifts flawlessly and i leave the line with the n2o on and 1.57 60 fters.... I have it tuned now so I just select drive... point and shoot...... dont blame the box, good convertor, tune it properly, it does take time. All my 427 engine tuning and trans tuning was all done with help from Joel Prince.

[Roonstain]

Would still like to have one of the pans if I could - would be awesome!

[Dieselman]

I still have 6 Caddy pans here, with minor baffling and the fill tube extended 17mm, (they require very little baffling when you have the correct amount of oil in them... VE pan is a different story) that puts the oil just below the gasket line like it does with the stock VE pan, however I didnt pull mine off to offer up the caddy pans to check for clearance, Wonky said his fill tube interferred with the valve body so the tube may have to be lowered, thats ok but you would have to add enough oil to get it up to where it should be

I found that from the top of the filler tube to the gasket line was exactly 1tr on the caddy pan. I was going to extend the filler but it hit on the main valve body :(

I will be adding another 500ml to my box and bring it up to the original gasket level

[Wonky]

I still have 6 Caddy pans here, with minor baffling and the fill tube extended 17mm, (they require very little baffling when you have the correct amount of oil in them... VE pan is a different story) that puts the oil just below the gasket line like it does with the stock VE pan, however I didnt pull mine off to offer up the caddy pans to check for clearance, Wonky said his fill tube interferred with the valve body so the tube may have to be lowered, thats ok but you would have to add enough oil to get it up to where it should be.

As Dieselman said, Chev also found that the extended fill tube fouled on something so they just shortened it back which was no worry to them as they'd previously created another tool to allow them to fill the A6 pans with extra oil so don't use it anyway. I think it's basically like a dipstick which slides between the pan and gasket to allow them to see when it's at a certain level (I'm sure I'm not giving any trade secrets away there :D).

The baffling also apparently hit slightly on something due to the different depth of the Caddy pan compared to your original double pan but that was apparently an easy fix. Unfortunately I don't know more than that as it all happened when we were overseas for 3 weeks. I believe all they did was bend it over slightly which may make it even more effective as a baffle? :confused: I can find out more if you like but given my lack of speech and the fact you have 6 to modify it may be better for you to just ring Chev???

It certainly seems to be doing the trick! :goodjob:

[heavyduty1340]

Im still keen for one of these pans if we can sort out the little tweeks.

At least then I could use the filter I bought.

[gaz05]

Like i said in my PM to Wonky, I would like to offer them up to a box which i didnt have before just to make sure alls good, I will do one and try it on my own box. I think i will machine the tube off so it becomes a drain plug and then weld one on the side or rear, wherever to get the level right. Just to be sure everyone knows, make sure you set the level with the engine running. No trade secrets Wonky, I made this public over a year ago. as you knpw it fixes most issues, the tune fixes the rest... Gaz.

[Wonky]

Sorry, the "trade secret" reference was in relation to the tool Chev made up to make sure the box was filled to the right level i.e. technically overfull without using the fill plug. :)

[krylothe]

I've been in contact with gaz and he's not looking to make money from this, in fact if I read between the lines correctly (which I'm not always good at :doh:) I suspect the time and effort involved in all the cutting/welding/modifying will keep him from doing other things he wants to do.

I've been researching this some more and Holden do have a listing for a deeper pan from a Cadillac STS-V.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Caddypan.jpg

I've emailed a contact at HSPO (Holden parts warehouse) to see if he can get someone to compare against the stock pan to ensure they should just bolt up. I don't want to buy one because it's a special order (non return) item and I can't afford to just waste $100 on it if for some reason it won't fit.

Assuming it does fit it should be a much easier/cheaper solution for 99% of we A6 owners. Holden don't have a listing for the corresponding filter but I'm sure something along the lines of what gaz did with his filter could be done.
For anyone that's interested I have managed to track down the filter to suit the caddy pan through Repco! If you need one let me know!

[Wonky]

For anyone that's interested I have managed to track down the filter to suit the caddy pan through Repco! If you need one let me know!

For future reference can you please give details?

[AFM pir4te]

Has anyone fitted the STS-V pan and CTS-V wide mouth filter combo?
Does Repco sell a wide mouth filter to suit the deep pan?
How does the STS-V pan compare to the Camaro pan?

[Wonky]

I'd be interested to know too! :yup:

[AFM pir4te]

Most G8 guys use a Camaro deep pan with CTS-V wide mouth which is US $68.75 + $US 75 courier. Just found this thread and was wondering what the difference / advantage of the STS-V pan was. I think they are same.
I'm buying today, so if anyone else wants above we can share the shipping?!

[AFM pir4te]

I've ordered two complete kits anyway as the shipping box takes another, so I have one spare if anyone would like to beef up their box too.

[Y.B.SHY]

I've ordered two complete kits anyway as the shipping box takes another, so I have one spare if anyone would like to beef up their box too.

Do you know if it will fit the 6L90E ?

[Wonky]

From what I Googled I gather the wide mouth filter (see pic below on left) is actually from the 6L90.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Widemouthfilter_zps36e8e197.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/gcovo/media/Misc/Widemouthfilter_zps36e8e197.jpg.html)

[AFM pir4te]

6l90e has different pans and filters for various GM model installs, as does 6l80e.
For example the Camaro 6l90e filter / pickup will have 24236931 on the box, does not have wide mouth and looks similar to the VE unit. The right part number on correct filter itself is 24236517 being the "wide mouth" filter from the 6L90 of a CTS-V, part number number for the filter kit (comes with a seal) is 24236933 and is different to the Camaro one, as compared in your picture.
I have two Camaro SS pans and CTS-V wide mouth pickups coming next week as deep pan kits (gaskets, seals, etc).
Cost me $130 each via courier, one spare...

[Y.B.SHY]

Thanks AFM pir4te.

PMs sent.

[Wonky]

For anyone that's interested I have managed to track down the filter to suit the caddy pan through Repco! If you need one let me know!

I guess this didn't work out after all as no response to the question in the post after that or to my PM.

[krylothe]

I guess this didn't work out after all as no response to the question in the post after that or to my PM.
Mate iv been busy and hadn't got back to it!
The part number should be: Jxf609000
Bout $60-$80 from Repco
They are listed in their systems as the 6l90e filter but it is the correct one to suit the caddy pans gaz05 is selling!

[Drizt]

6l90e has different pans and filters for various GM model installs, as does 6l80e.
For example the Camaro 6l90e filter / pickup will have 24236931 on the box, does not have wide mouth and looks similar to the VE unit. The right part number on correct filter itself is 24236517 being the "wide mouth" filter from the 6L90 of a CTS-V, part number number for the filter kit (comes with a seal) is 24236933 and is different to the Camaro one, as compared in your picture.
I have two Camaro SS pans and CTS-V wide mouth pickups coming next week as deep pan kits (gaskets, seals, etc).
Cost me $130 each via courier, one spare...

I read your reviews on they other forum (sounds like it is well worth it), I'll PM you tonight for more details.

[Wonky]

I wonder whether the extra capacity of the wide mouth filter (almost 10% wider body, assuming same depth???) also helps it work better to avoid starvation and sucking air under heavy acceleration?

[Tre-Cool]

and here i was sticking with stock pan/filter and running 1.5 - 60's with no issues.

While I agree'd initially with doing this mod, for the cost outlay of trying to get the pans to aus it's probably not worth it, when the simplest fix is to just overfill the pan. In which case you will still need to do with the new one.

In saying that though, i'm still looking to test one of these deeper sumps out, but i dont see it making much difference for me.

[Wonky]

Most G8 guys use a Camaro deep pan with CTS-V wide mouth which is US $68.75 + $US 75 courier. Just found this thread and was wondering what the difference / advantage of the STS-V pan was. I think they are same.

Missed replying to this - what part no is the Camaro deep pan? The Caddy pan I got is #24235511 and I'm guessing they're the same.

[Drizt]

Overfilling the stock unit made no difference to my A6.

[Wonky]

and here i was sticking with stock pan/filter and running 1.5 - 60's with no issues.

While I agree'd initially with doing this mod, for the cost outlay of trying to get the pans to aus it's probably not worth it, when the simplest fix is to just overfill the pan. In which case you will still need to do with the new one.

In saying that though, i'm still looking to test one of these deeper sumps out, but i dont see it making much difference for me.

You have one huge advantage over most of us though Dave - you are now a guru on A6 tuning and have no doubt spent many hours perfecting your A6 tune to be just how you want it. :)

[AD07]

Missed replying to this - what part no is the Camaro deep pan? The Caddy pan I got is #24235511 and I'm guessing they're the same.

Looks like the part number has just been superseded Wonky.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm-pan-24235511.html

Ive been in contact with Pace Performance & they tell me this kit will be the one for our A6.
http://paceperformance.com/i-8434163-gmp-24250062-camaro-transmission-pan-kit-with-wide-mouth-filter-6l80.html

Id like to purchase one locally but im not sure if its possible to get one...

[Wonky]

Looks like the part number has just been superseded Wonky.
http://www.gmpartsgiant.com/parts/gm-pan-24235511.html

Ive been in contact with Pace Performance & they tell me this kit will be the one for our A6.
http://paceperformance.com/i-8434163-gmp-24250062-camaro-transmission-pan-kit-with-wide-mouth-filter-6l80.html

Id like to purchase one locally but im not sure if its possible to get one...

Oops! Actually, when I looked back the one I got a friend in America to get me was #24250062 and it was identical to the eight I got from Holden (#24235511). The one pictured however is not identical as it has a drain plug on the right in the pic on Pace's website, which none of the nine I got had. I'm sure you won't get any more pans here as I got the last 8 Holden had and they told me they weren't getting more (I used to work at HSPO and still have good contacts there - in fact I don't know why they ever stocked them as had only sold one or two in 5 years).

However, you can buy with confidence from Pace as that's where I bought my dozen filters from and they were very helpful - that's a great price too!! :yup:

[Tre-Cool]

it would be interesting to see if they get in those 0062 pans seeing as the lsa motor in the gts would also use the same gbox as the camaro. anyone know if they have a deeper pan on the gts?

[AFM pir4te]

I've had the kit on my car for about two weeks now, none of the problems below, feels like it pulls smoother and stronger in normal mode.
All transmission issues completely solved. Of course still goes through 'warm up' cycle when you need to baby it as it holds gears a little longer and behaves differently to when it's warmed up.
Original Problems:
Worst was when TC off in manual mode laying rubber second through to third hit false neutral!
Other times after hot run in sports mode come to stop at intersection turning right would keep first - no change!
Watch first five seconds or so of this vid to witness what the problem is and what prompted me to do the conversion. This is in Sports mode after moderately spirited downhill driving (link available), turning right increasing to WOT:

http://youtu.be/iUd5xU4vOG0
Sliding right would flare up for a few seconds, other times holds on to gears too long (light throttle), flares from 2nd to 3rd (not all the time) or pause when I try to take off quickly after braking (eg. coming to a round about and then powering right through it).
Solution:
Our box goes better and runs cooler (+/- 3º with coolant temp) without starvation using a wider pickup submerged 50mm deeper and about 2litres more Dexron VI
24250062 6L80 PAN $US33.81
24224781 6L80 Gasket $US19.81
24236933 6L90 Filter $US55.62
USPS shipping $US71.63

[AFM pir4te]

Pan difference looks like this:

http://youtu.be/QYWYhC3f3j4
Fits without hanging down like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6hg2mlai3uybifz/deep1.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wlwqm33o0ph4pkz/deep2.JPG

[AFM pir4te]

About three weeks wait and check to make sure you get the right bits in the kit, available as above through Greg at Pace Performance, NB this is not called a 6L80 Camaro pan filter kit, as it has the Caddy CTS-V wide mouth extended pickup / filter.
Smoother changes under load now, happy:

http://youtu.be/phAVKY3f6IY

[Drizt]

Thanks pir4te. All very helpful info. I look forward to receiving your extra kit when it arrives :)

I reckon a few in here might be interested in your helmholtz solution to cure drone. Maybe a new thread with some detailed instructions and some pictures??? That's if you could be bothered :)

[gen3mackay]

So it the pace kit all I need? I'll be fitting my 4200 still next weekend and want to do the pan upgrade while I'm at it

[G4RS_GM]

So it the pace kit all I need? I'll be fitting my 4200 still next weekend and want to do the pan upgrade while I'm at it

+1. Is this Pace Kit from the previous page, all i need for this upgrade.

[AFM pir4te]

Yes, all you need plus the Dex VI of course, that's the expensive part! Solves so many problems that I recommend reflashing the gearbox tune to standard (or 2011+), drive around for 1000k only then consider flashing a heavily modified custom trans file if required because this makes a big difference to the actual apply pressure and shift speed versus commanded. ie it works properly as commanded. Also the full flash and relearn resets accumulated crap artifacts from the T43's memory. Can show before and after video results for
Also be sure to reattach the magnet underneath.

[AFM pir4te]

Yes, I thought I was definitely up for a new 6l80e, and of course when I asked expert tranny guys whether I should give them $3500 or is mine fixable they insisted there was no option and that I should put all the money in their pocket ASAP. However this worked for me 100%, all you need is the pace kit above plus the Dex VI of course, that's the expensive part!
Solves so many odd problems that I recommend reflashing the gearbox with standard 2011+ tune file (VF owners never complain about the tune BTW), drive around for 1000k only then consider flashing a heavily modified custom trans program if required because greater supply of fresh cool fluid makes a big difference to the actual apply pressure and shift speed versus commanded. ie it drives properly as commanded launching, turning, or transitioning fwd-rev.
Also the full flash and relearn resets accumulated crap artifacts from the T43's memory for a clean slate. I have before and after video results with telemetry in favour of the case to use stock (or near stock 2011+) file versus wildly modded values. PM me.
Also don't forget to reattach the magnet underneath.