Filling 6L80E

[HOLDAN]

I'm taking my car to Willowbank in a few weeks and I want squeeze some more oil in the A6 to minimise the impacts of oil wash (I'm working on a long-term fix for that at the moment but it won't be ready for a while yet).

Apart from Dexron VI oil, what do I need to get the job done?

Regards, Dan

[Tre-Cool]

long enough hose that fits in the blocked up dipstick hole from the top of the engine
600ml bottle
drill hole in lid of bottle put hose into it.

cut bottom off the bottle. pour fluid into bottle it will go down the hose into the trans.

that's how i do mine.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

just locate the filler plug (drivers side rubber push in bung ) at the rear drivers side corner you will need a pump and a plastic hose
if you know its full now just ad the amount you wont
other wise check to see if its full by getting the trans up to temp 50.c to 70.c ( use the in dash menu ) and undo the check bung under the rear of the pan start it up (put in drive BE CARFULL) if oil drips out its full if not
ad some till it does
that's how i do it anyway

[Roonstain]

long enough hose that fits in the blocked up dipstick hole from the top of the engine
600ml bottle
drill hole in lid of bottle put hose into it.

cut bottom off the bottle. pour fluid into bottle it will go down the hose into the trans.

that's how i do mine.
Or this so you can check the level easily in the future:
http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=21182&page=1

[HOLDAN]

long enough hose that fits in the blocked up dipstick hole from the top of the engine
600ml bottle
drill hole in lid of bottle put hose into it.

cut bottom off the bottle. pour fluid into bottle it will go down the hose into the trans.

that's how i do mine.

That's great - thankyou. What size hose (diam). Where do I find the dipstick hole?

[HOLDAN]

just locate the filler plug (drivers side rubber push in bung ) at the rear drivers side corner you will need a pump and a plastic hose
if you know its full now just ad the amount you wont
other wise check to see if its full by getting the trans up to temp 50.c to 70.c ( use the in dash menu ) and undo the check bung under the rear of the pan start it up (put in drive BE CARFULL) if oil drips out its full if not
ad some till it does
that's how i do it anyway

OK thanks for that. Is the check bung obvious to locate? Just don't want a pan full of 70 degree trans oil hitting the driveway when I undo the wrong bunb.

[Tre-Cool]

i think the hose was 9.5 or 10mm diameter from memory.

the bolt on the pan is obvious it's the only one on the pan.

[HOLDAN]

i think the hose was 9.5 or 10mm diameter from memory.

the bolt on the pan is obvious it's the only one on the pan.

Very good - thankyou.

Regards, Dan

[dogsballs]

don't overfill box, as you don't want the rotating parts sloshing around the contents of the pan. box does not like it.

[Wonky]

don't overfill box, as you don't want the rotating parts sloshing around the contents of the pan. box does not like it.

Not sure what you're basing that on given you don't have an A6 but my mechanic and quite a few others have found that they like an extra 500ml or so.

[dogsballs]

same as engine. do you overfill your oil, so you have the crank rotating in it?!

I run my gearbox on the high side, but don't overfill it.

[Tre-Cool]

there are no rotating parts in the a6 that can come into direct contact with the overfilled sump. what does happen under hard launches or accelleration is the fluid goes the back of the pan and the filter sucks up air and you get a hesitated or slow shift.

[etrocket]

Any one got pics

[raff]

This shows the position of the sump level plug and filler bung (on drivers side)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/fillplug.jpg

This is filler plug (driver side)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/transfillerplug.jpg

Removed (pull up top part then removed plug)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/SUMPPLUG.jpg

I used a syphon and Dextron to top up, replaced the bung. Ran car to op temp and cycled through gears, remove sump level plug on level ground and wait til flow ceases to a constant drip and reinstall sump plug. If no flow add more fluid!

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/SYPHON.jpg

[JezzaB]

Make sure the car is level and running when you check it. It will take a while for it to get up to temp.

[gaz05]

This shows the position of the sump level plug and filler bung (on drivers side)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/fillplug.jpg

This is filler plug (driver side)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/transfillerplug.jpg

Removed (pull up top part then removed plug)

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/SUMPPLUG.jpg

I used a syphon and Dextron to top up, replaced the bung. Ran car to op temp and cycled through gears, remove sump level plug on level ground and wait til flow ceases to a constant drip and reinstall sump plug. If no flow add more fluid!

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z417/raffzzz/SYPHON.jpg

Its a shame the VE oil pan doesnt look like that, would not have as many dramas........ that looks like a Corvette one.

[gaz05]

Hope this picture is attached. This is a standard VE pan and filter, if you look at the fill level.. the top of that tube, it barely covers the filter, if you look closely those two little feet on top of the filter sit against the valve body, as you can see the valve body intrudes into the pan area leaving very little volume for oil. As soon as you accelerate hard the oil is gone, what there is of it!! Thats why overfilling them helps a bit. It really is a major problem with A6s.

[gaz05]

This what I have done, made one out of two...25mm deeper.

[gaz05]

This is what you have to do.... deepen the pan, baffles..make them out of the other pan floor that you cut up and add 25mm to fill tube, machine a 25mm extension for the filter pick up tube.. all good, holds another couple of litres as well.

[gaz05]

Thought I had a pic of the spacer to extend the pickup tube, cant find it at the moment, also the little right angle feet on top of the filter are about 10mm high, you have to make them 25mm taller also so it rests against the valve body like the factory arrangement, I just used the material out of the old pan to make them and you rivet them to the existing feet on top of the filter. Once you do this the box can be tuned properly, mine works like any turbo box, makes a big difference when you keep the oil up to them.. hope this helps.

[HYMEY]

The first pic shown is a corvette pan, for those having issues for DD cars I recommend that you get hold of a C6 corvette pan and pickup it will help a big deal. Also when filling the tran have it up to temp as atf has a very high expansion rate- undo the level check plug it will spill some oil as the tube is containing oil from it splashing in the pan let it settle, top it up till it spills over, cap it off then put another litre in the thing.

This is a very important fix, infact its how we got gaz's car into the tens, Difference is night and day shifts like a full manual turbo 400, but only difference is, its even better, really shows how good the A6 really is when they have oil. A good box was designed and built and a not so bright engineer put a shit pan on the VE for ground clearance. Even stock cars have problems with flaring thats just from the oil sloshing around in the pan. So sucking air is a problem. Aerated oil, is a major problem it is probably worse as it will ensure a long slow death of the tranny.

We have offered to help out those having troubles with some good info on how to tune the a6 correctly once it has oil pressure without the box to require any learning so you can flash it at the track without it flaring and relearning etc.

Overfilling the pan will not fix the issue in a race situation. Oil moves the fastest from the initial G force on the launch. It heads to the rear of the pan and thats why so many a6 cars et and half mph avg but deepend mph is good because once at speed the oil starts to level out. By then though the whole sump is aerated and its game over. It has to be done properly and I am sure if you do this mod before anyother , the a6s true potential will be shown.

[CalaisBoy]

Hymey, I don't run my car on the track but this is an extremely interesting post. Can you give a rough estimate of how much ground clearance is reduced by fitting the different sump?

[etrocket]

Also where can we get these sumps

[gaz05]

Hymey, I don't run my car on the track but this is an extremely interesting post. Can you give a rough estimate of how much ground clearance is reduced by fitting the different sump?


Its 25mm lower, not really a problem, its no lower then the engine sump, the collectors on the pipes is the lowest point on mine. I will take a pic under the car tomorrow and post it.

[gaz05]

Also where can we get these sumps

I used 2 VE pans, about $130 each at your local GM parts outlet, I priced a Corvette one before I made mine... (still would have to baffle it too) $560 plus freight from the US.

[etrocket]

Gaz - Are you able to take a photo of your pan. Can't picture what you have done. Are what trans cooler are you using

[gaz05]

:confused:
Gaz - Are you able to take a photo of your pan. Can't picture what you have done. Are what trans cooler are you using

?????? I have posted pics of the standard VE pan and the modified one that is on my car earlier in this thread. I dont use a trans cooler Rocket.

[etrocket]

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[Roonstain]

This is interesting!

Would be worthwhile you guys making up a few more and I am sure people on here would grab them from you! I know I would be tempted at the right price!

[duke5700]

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Working ok here..

[Wonky]

This is interesting!

Would be worthwhile you guys making up a few more and I am sure people on here would grab them from you! I know I would be tempted at the right price!

:yup: Agree 100%!! Awesome job gaz!! :thumbsup: If Graham the welder is in at Chev's tomorrow I will discuss the possibility with him!!


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Yeah, I can but gaz seems to have found an unusual way of posting pics and I imagine it could cause some people problems. I've saved his two deepened pan pics to my Photobucket, so hopefully you can see these.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/VEPandeepened.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/VEPandeepenedbaffledfilltubeextended.jpg

[etrocket]

http://www.yourcovers.com/transpan_11087.php

Found this, not sure if this fits our cars tho

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

group by if they do ??

[JezzaB]

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Its because gaz added it as an attachment. This feature was only added for the forum garage and should only be used for that (mods get cranky :p) which means that only Validated users can see it

[gaz05]

http://www.yourcovers.com/transpan_11087.php

Found this, not sure if this fits our cars tho

Looked at all that before.. the first one( low profile) is standard depth and the deep pan one is too deep for ground clearance and still takes a standard filter which means the filter is not covered by anymore oil, its all below it, thats why I done my own. My filter sits on the bottom like the factory one, all of the extra oil in mine is above it. It has no baffles either, waste of time really.


QUOTE...


PML transmission pans work with stock filters, easily available from your favorite auto parts store. Because the pan is deeper than stock, filter supports are cast in. A deeper filter or extension is not needed since the transmission fluid is at the same level with a PML pan as with the stock pan. An image showing the inside of the pan and the filter supports is shown at left

[SilverVH]

:yup: Agree 100%!! Awesome job gaz!! :thumbsup: If Graham the welder is in at Chev's tomorrow I will discuss the possibility with him!!



Yeah, I can but gaz seems to have found an unusual way of posting pics and I imagine it could cause some people problems. I've saved his two deepened pan pics to my Photobucket, so hopefully you can see these.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/VEPandeepened.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/VEPandeepenedbaffledfilltubeextended.jpg

I'm sure either Chev's or Gaz would be happy doing them on a changeover basis with the existing oil pan.

Looking at the pics, rather than using 2 transmission pans, there's no reason why you couldn't just weld in a metal band to extend the pan depth?

Great job gaz05.

[hRTHSV]

I brought a deep pan for my A6 from Lsx Conversions, admittedly it was a year or so ago but no where near $560. Pretty sure it was under $300 with no welding required.

[HOLDAN]

A deep pan is all well and good but you only get the benefit from it if you do as Gary has done and lower the filter. That way you get an extra inch or so of oil over the filter and the likelihood of exposing the filter to air is greatly reduced.
Regards, Dan

[etrocket]

I'm sure others would be interested in this if someone could manufacture this

[gaz05]

I'm sure either Chev's or Gaz would be happy doing them on a changeover basis with the existing oil pan.

Looking at the pics, rather than using 2 transmission pans, there's no reason why you couldn't just weld in a metal band to extend the pan depth?

Great job gaz05.

Welding a metal band in turns out to be big job and you also finish up with 2 welds horizontally and one vertical weld, also look at the shape... its not just a rectangle, its not that easy to do. Also that horizontal baffle is the floor of the other pan...makes it easy to do. I thought of everything and I think this is the best solution.

[SilverVH]

Welding a metal band in turns out to be big job and you also finish up with 2 welds horizontally and one vertical weld, also look at the shape... its not just a rectangle, its not that easy to do. Also that horizontal baffle is the floor of the other pan...makes it easy to do. I thought of everything and I think this is the best solution.

You do make a very valid point. Welding is not my forte unfortunately.

My A6 is about 8 months old and it suffers from the symptoms HYMEY describes. I can feel it flare between gear changes with light throttle and full throttle the change is very delayed (be it either in D or manually shifting).

I feel overfilling it is kind of a bandaid solution, so I will definitely be keeping an eye on this thread to see any possible outcome of a revised oil pan.

[gaz05]

You do make a very valid point. Welding is not my forte unfortunately.

My A6 is about 8 months old and it suffers from the symptoms HYMEY describes. I can feel it flare between gear changes with light throttle and full throttle the change is very delayed (be it either in D or manually shifting).

I feel overfilling it is kind of a bandaid solution, so I will definitely be keeping an eye on this thread to see any possible outcome of a revised oil pan.

It is a bandaid solution....the light throttle symptoms is possibly the tune, I have been in dead stockers going up a hill...gearbox flaring, like neutrals bettween shifts, etc, this is all caused from loss of line pressure. I will make a couple more and put them on here when I have them done, maybe a changeover basis would be ok, only up for the price of one pan that way, will order some pans tomorrow.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

can you log your line pressure with efilive if so what pid ?

[etrocket]

Put me down for one gaz

[SilverVH]

It is a bandaid solution....the light throttle symptoms is possibly the tune, I have been in dead stockers going up a hill...gearbox flaring, like neutrals bettween shifts, etc, this is all caused from loss of line pressure. I will make a couple more and put them on here when I have them done, maybe a changeover basis would be ok, only up for the price of one pan that way, will order some pans tomorrow.

Sounds great mate.

My auto is still running the factory tune table and it is on its second gearbox now.

My plan was to reconfigure the tune in it before hitting the track, which is pretty much the stage I was upto now. I had hoped it would rectify the issues the gearbox is suffering (the flaring isn't very noticable unless you know what you are looking for) but I had always felt it wasn't a normal characteristic for the 6L80e. The delayed shift is shocking.

Reading what HYMEY mentioned about your car and the way it shifts like a manualised TH400, would be the outcome I'd be happy with. This is the first 6L80e I've used, so can only compare it against previous gearboxes but I do have one question regarding tuning them that you may be able to answer.

Is it possible with the 6L80e to run 2 tables? One for manually shifting with a positive shift pattern and the other for when it is in D which isn't so agressive with the shift.

Also who tuned your auto?

Cheers.

[Tre-Cool]

Hymey has tuned gaz's auto. remember his has recieved hardware modifications so it's likely to shift harder than a stock gearbox with increased line pressure.

I can tell you that running a similar tune in my auto with a stall vs my dad's stock motor with the same settings, the stock stall'd gearbox shifts much harder.

Im not too sure if having the maf enabled also seems make them shift harder but it's definetly not out the question.

[HYMEY]

silver VH that is very possible, but i advise against it with high stall convertor as WOT acceleration is not the only issue what seams to hurt them is hitting the throttle or even partly squeezing throttle on anyone knows with a cammed car diff gears and stall that they will spin the tyres entering power enrichment, this makes them slip as at this stage line pressure is still building and it should be already up there, even with increased line pressure it shifts normal down low due to convertor slippage, stock convertor different story. Hi stalls multiply torque very rapidly and put even more strain on the box, before you attempt to expect any reliability from any automatic transmission it requires oil and adequate line pressure to do the job. I can see the A6 has copped a bad rap, but I spoke with Lionel Durrie a mate of gaz's whilst discussing the auto issues and yrs ago the C4 Ford transmission was basically a heap of junk, it is small in size and put half decent hp in front of it and it would self destruct. The only way to make them live was to run very high line pressure, around 300 psi...Then they turn into a reliable race box and have proven themselves as a very tough and light reliable box with huge popularity. Its monkey see monkey do, once one bloke works it out everyone copies only those that don't are non believers. You dont want any variation of pressure regulation in a race box, the car hits so hard off a 2 step or transbrake even low rpm hits will fry a box with an efficient torque multiplier in front of it. Even pre stage dry launchs you want your line pressure up there and stable, no variation, it simply cant build pressure fast enough to cope. I really believe this is a big killer of the A4s too, I see so many boxes go back to a builder with the builder copping the fault and bill. I have cars with 100 hp more and the oil never smells burnt. Its important for a tuner to think outside the square and ask an experienced box builder how much line pressure it requires to survive.

Remember if you increase your 6L80E's line pressure it will use up even more oil from the pan and can sometimes make the slippage worse.

Atomic I have never logged line pressure and in Garry's car you can't. Commanded vs actual is two different things. It would mostly be air, any hard accelerating VE A6 will aerate the oil and suck some air at the track this is why they refuse to shift. We have the line pressure up there but its not excessively high. I run A4s with less line pressure and they cope very well.

[SilverVH]

silver VH that is very possible, but i advise against it with high stall convertor as WOT acceleration is not the only issue what seams to hurt them is hitting the throttle or even partly squeezing throttle on anyone knows with a cammed car diff gears and stall that they will spin the tyres entering power enrichment, this makes them slip as at this stage line pressure is still building and it should be already up there, even with increased line pressure it shifts normal down low due to convertor slippage, stock convertor different story. Hi stalls multiply torque very rapidly and put even more strain on the box, before you attempt to expect any reliability from any automatic transmission it requires oil and adequate line pressure to do the job. I can see the A6 has copped a bad rap, but I spoke with Lionel Durrie a mate of gaz's whilst discussing the auto issues and yrs ago the C4 Ford transmission was basically a heap of junk, it is small in size and put half decent hp in front of it and it would self destruct. The only way to make them live was to run very high line pressure, around 300 psi...Then they turn into a reliable race box and have proven themselves as a very tough and light reliable box with huge popularity. Its monkey see monkey do, once one bloke works it out everyone copies only those that don't are non believers. You dont want any variation of pressure regulation in a race box, the car hits so hard off a 2 step or transbrake even low rpm hits will fry a box with an efficient torque multiplier in front of it. Even pre stage dry launchs you want your line pressure up there and stable, no variation, it simply cant build pressure fast enough to cope. I really believe this is a big killer of the A4s too, I see so many boxes go back to a builder with the builder copping the fault and bill. I have cars with 100 hp more and the oil never smells burnt. Its important for a tuner to think outside the square and ask an experienced box builder how much line pressure it requires to survive.

Remember if you increase your 6L80E's line pressure it will use up even more oil from the pan and can sometimes make the slippage worse.

Atomic I have never logged line pressure and in Garry's car you can't. Commanded vs actual is two different things. It would mostly be air, any hard accelerating VE A6 will aerate the oil and suck some air at the track this is why they refuse to shift. We have the line pressure up there but its not excessively high. I run A4s with less line pressure and they cope very well.

Very imformative post, thanks for that.

Engine wise, I've done all I want to do for now so I've been reading and researching the 6L80e. I am slowy finding out what makes them tick and their pitfalls, where people have gone wrong and what they have done to rectify problems etc.

Unfortunately I am still new to the world of EFI tuning. All my previous experience has been with carburetter's and vacuum/mechanical shifting auto's. It has only been in the past 6 months that I have had a chance to begin learning and tuning EFI practically (and only engines so far). Thankfully the principles are all the same regardless if it is mechanical or electronic control.

In regards to your tuning of the 6L80e, have you disabled torque management or decreased the percentage, or is it left as is?

The more I research, the more I've been considering to tune it myself.

[Tre-Cool]

I still run full torque management on wot shifts, but the amount of timing it pulls can be changed in the engine ecu via the minimum final timing table (B5157) in efilive.

There is an idea floating around that having no torque management on might feel like a quick shift due to the agressive nature of the shift, but having some timing pulled on the shift via torque management actually completes the shift faster and possibly gives the clutches a bit more longevity.

similar scenario to a timing cut on manuals, so it makes sense.

An example of a 2nd gear wot into 3rd, 4th, 5th. I have a circle'd stage 3 converter and run the convertor locked in 3rd,4th,5th.

http://www.vyssute.com/downloads/efilive/wot%20shifts.png

whats missing off the above screen shot is the fact the trans commands the on-coming shift to happen long before the shift actually happens.

[Wonky]

I used 2 VE pans, about $130 each at your local GM parts outlet, I priced a Corvette one before I made mine... (still would have to baffle it too) $560 plus freight from the US.

What's the part no on them please Gaz? I emailed my parts guy for a price and he replied part #24239528 with list price of only $88 + GST. :confused:

Gaz2 :lol:

[Roonstain]

What's the part no on them please Gaz? I emailed my parts guy for a price and he replied part #24239528 with list price of only $88 + GST. :confused:

Gaz2 :lol:
Even better Wonks!!!!
:lol:

Definitely keen for this if someone starts making a few

[gaz05]

What's the part no on them please Gaz? I emailed my parts guy for a price and he replied part #24239528 with list price of only $88 + GST. :confused:

Gaz2 :lol:

Thats the part number Wonky.. also a good price too.

[Wonky]

Good stuff thanks - can get even cheaper in quantities of 10 or more. Your dealer's price seems excessive? :confused:

[gaz05]

Good stuff thanks - can get even cheaper in quantities of 10 or more. Your dealer's price seems excessive? :confused:

I think that was with a gasket Wonks, I didnt change the gasket on mine, its a thick rubber/ neoprene style, very good quality. PM sent.

[gaz05]

Even better Wonks!!!!
:lol:

Definitely keen for this if someone starts making a few


I will be doing 5 as soon as I can get the pans, certainly a lot of interest but its a must if your going to race it, they just wont work with no oil. Cost me a fair bit of time and money to get it down the strip, but all worth it...not much wrong with the box, the shallow pan that GM designed for the VE is the problem.. its amazing how we overlook the basics sometime.

[SilverVH]

Looking forward to the progress gaz. Be sure to keep us all updated :thumbsup:

[duke5700]

Someone needs to dry sump the box....

[SilverVH]

Also I feel this is cheap insurance regardless if anyone races their car down the strip or not. Any form of spirited driving is going to cause inertia which in turn will cavitate the oil and starve the pump, particularly with the VE pan design.

Far cheaper than a gearbox replacement by any means!

[etrocket]

I will be doing 5 as soon as I can get the pans, certainly a lot of interest but its a must if your going to race it, they just wont work with no oil. Cost me a fair bit of time and money to get it down the strip, but all worth it...not much wrong with the box, the shallow pan that GM designed for the VE is the problem.. its amazing how we overlook the basics sometime.

will this include all the other bits as well to drop the filter down

[gaz05]

will this include all the other bits as well to drop the filter down

Yes, will supply the pan and the tube extension and the little feet to be riveted to the top of the filter, you can reuse the filter and gasket if you wish, I used a new filter and reused the gasket.

[heavyduty1340]

Put me down for one if they become available please
I could do with it on the blown SSV

[Tre-Cool]

im definetly down for atleast 2.

[Roonstain]

As I said before - I am definitely in for one

[Wonky]

I think that was with a gasket Wonks, I didnt change the gasket on mine, its a thick rubber/ neoprene style, very good quality. PM sent.

Ah, OK. If it was with gasket it immediately transforms to being a very good price!! :yup:

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

not an a6 but you could use the same principle for cooling

http://www.partshp.com/Pans.htm

[kayman]

not sure if i missed it in the thread, but what is the expected price on one of these pans???

[Wonky]

I've been in contact with gaz and he's not looking to make money from this, in fact if I read between the lines correctly (which I'm not always good at :doh:) I suspect the time and effort involved in all the cutting/welding/modifying will keep him from doing other things he wants to do.

I've been researching this some more and Holden do have a listing for a deeper pan from a Cadillac STS-V.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Caddypan.jpg

I've emailed a contact at HSPO (Holden parts warehouse) to see if he can get someone to compare against the stock pan to ensure they should just bolt up. I don't want to buy one because it's a special order (non return) item and I can't afford to just waste $100 on it if for some reason it won't fit.

Assuming it does fit it should be a much easier/cheaper solution for 99% of we A6 owners. Holden don't have a listing for the corresponding filter but I'm sure something along the lines of what gaz did with his filter could be done.

[gaz05]

That looks a fair bit deeper Wonky, ground clearance maybe a tad close, but would work if you baffled it and the filter was on the bottom. A bit off the topic but I give my 6lt a run with a 75 shot of NOS on Fri night, I just put it in drive and nail it from 1500 and it just shifts faultlessly at 6400 every gear, 3.7 ratio with 3500 TCE, 11.33 @ 120.6 every pass.. 1.62 60footers, cant wait to put a bit more on now.

Same thing when I had the 7lt in, shifts perfect... these boxes are good when you keep the oil up to them. I will make some more pans and post them up when I finish them.

[kayman]

i dont race mine, but i hate the sluggish and flaring changes, If i could get a deeper pan that works like gaz's one thats all i need. At least now we know why these boxes perform so poorly from stock.

[Wonky]

Let me from the outset say that I'm certainly not trying to steal gaz's thunder as I, and I'm sure plenty of others with A6 issues on here, are indebted to him for his groundbreaking discovery and work. :bow:

For some of us however, there may be a simpler solution. I've done some more research into the pan I mentioned above and from the drawings I was supplied it looks like it should be just a straight bolt up.

I then manipulated the pictures I had of both it and gaz's double pan and by increasing the size of the Caddy pan pic so it was the same width as the other one, then flipping it, I was able to get a pretty good comparison of pan depths and I reckon there's very little difference in pan depth and therefore ground clearance. It's hard to be sure given the two pics are not 100% exactly the same width, plus the different angles complicate things.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Pandepthcomparo.jpg

I'm about to buy one to see if it really will just bolt up and measure the increased depth as it may provide an alternative to buying two pans and the labour involved in cutting/welding. Some work may still be involved in getting the filter down to the very bottom plus baffles for those who are really serious.

[etrocket]

with this pan, could you avoid using a trans cooler as there would be extra oil to dissipate the heat??

[HOLDAN]

Let me from the outset say that I'm certainly not trying to steal gaz's thunder as I, and I'm sure plenty of others with A6 issues on here, are indebted to him for his groundbreaking discovery and work. :bow:

For some of us however, there may be a simpler solution. I've done some more research into the pan I mentioned above and from the drawings I was supplied it looks like it should be just a straight bolt up.

I then manipulated the pictures I had of both it and gaz's double pan and by increasing the size of the Caddy pan pic so it was the same width as the other one, then flipping it, I was able to get a pretty good comparison of pan depths and I reckon there's very little difference in pan depth and therefore ground clearance. It's hard to be sure given the two pics are not 100% exactly the same width, plus the different angles complicate things.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Pandepthcomparo.jpg

I'm about to buy one to see if it really will just bolt up and measure the increased depth as it may provide an alternative to buying two pans and the labour involved in cutting/welding. Some work may still be involved in getting the filter down to the very bottom plus baffles for those who are really serious.

Well said Gary - all 6L80E performance people are indebted to Gary (Gaz05). Do you have a part number for that pan? I'll get one up here and try it.

Regards, Dan

[gaz05]

Let me know how you go with that guys before I start doing the others, might be a cheaper option, still will require baffles and the pickup on the bottom to do it right but I might get Wonky to send one up....or the part number will do, and I could make the pickup extensions if you need any help. Wouldnt be surprised if they want a fortune for the Caddy pan though.

[gaz05]

with this pan, could you avoid using a trans cooler as there would be extra oil to dissipate the heat??

I dont use a cooler Rocket.

[daztheclipper]

Let me know how you go with that guys before I start doing the others, might be a cheaper option, still will require baffles and the pickup on the bottom to do it right but I might get Wonky to send one up....or the part number will do, and I could make the pickup extensions if you need any help. Wouldnt be surprised if they want a fortune for the Caddy pan though.
gday Gaz which ever way you end up going, either with the double pan extension or the Caddy pan, Id definately be up for one! great work!!:thumbsup:

[gaz05]

gday Gaz which ever way you end up going, either with the double pan extension or the Caddy pan, Id definately be up for one! great work!!:thumbsup:


No probs, will get something happening as soon as possible.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

i would be up for one aswell

[Roonstain]

As said before - I am keen
If we can save a few $$$ and time, even better!

[sikss]

id be keen on 2 aswell

cheers
Daniel

[etrocket]

might be able to get the good old a6 to shift like a zf box

[Wonky]

I've ordered the Caddy pan (+ 2 normal pans) - should be in either tomorrow or Monday for me to do a good comparison and check that the Caddy pan really is a workable alternative.

[cashie]

might be able to get the good old a6 to shift like a zf box

I think that might be optimistic. :p

[cashie]

I've ordered the Caddy pan (+ 2 normal pans) - should be in either tomorrow or Monday for me to do a good comparison and check that the Caddy pan really is a workable alternative.

This should be good Wonks. Let's hope it bolts straight on, what was the cost of the caddy pan?

[Wonky]

This should be good Wonks. Let's hope it bolts straight on, what was the cost of the caddy pan?

Didn't really double check but from memory (surprisingly) not a lot more than the stock pan.

[Wonky]

OK, picked up the Caddy pan plus two normal pans today. The Caddy pan is a definite straight bolt up and will achieve the aim of increasing capacity but for serious work at the drags may not do what gaz's double depth pan does and that's drop the filter deeper into the oil. I'm guessing given it uses a different filter number that the filter possibly does sit lower than the standard one (I'm guessing knowing GM that the filter itself is identical but it has a slightly longer extension on it, but I'm guessing as haven't really looked at a filter). Therefore I suspect anybody who uses the Caddy pan would need some sort of extender made up, as gaz does with his.

I will have the pans at Chev's dyno day tomorrow for anybody who wants to have a look-see. I'll also get some measurements and pics tomorrow.

List price on the Caddy pan is $91 + GST, standard pan $80 + GST. If enough people are interested in the Caddy pan I should be able to negotiate a decent bulk deal on them through my contacts as they're pretty much an orphan part now. As I said above, I think that probably the Caddy pan is the cheaper solution for people who just want more oil in their A6s and are not really into dragging.

I think the C

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

can you get the caddey filters as well ?

[HOLDAN]

Hi Gary (Wonky)

Thanks for following this up. Just so I'm clear - the caddy pan fits as straight bolt up. Depth is similar to Gary (Gaz05) double pan weld up. But the filter will not sit on the bottom of the pan as per Gaz05's solution.

Regards, Dan

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

not sure if this pan is the same model your looking at but the filters and pans for caddy models are cheep on this site + fright of course
http://www.newgmparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocator&siteid=213815&chapter=&sectionids=0,4135&groupid=4136&subgroupid=2475&componentid=80587&make=5&model=XLR&year=2009&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0
all so here
http://www.partswebsite.com/simongmparts/?i=2&make=115&model=388&year=2008&catid=30214&subcatid=31141&section=140&type=parts

[etrocket]

Just to recap - wonkY has confirmed the caddy pan is a straight swap. If gaz is happy, could several pans be posted directLy to you to add the baffle and make up the filter extention. This should be easier than having to do everything including making the pan.

[HOLDAN]

Just to recap - wonkY has confirmed the caddy pan is a straight swap. If gaz is happy, could several pans be posted directLy to you to add the baffle and make up the filter extention. This should be easier than having to do everything including making the pan.


Great idea if GAry (Gaz05) is happy to do that

[gaz05]

Great idea if GAry (Gaz05) is happy to do that

Yes, that shouldnt be a problem, if someone can send me one then we can go from there.

[Wonky]

OK, I've just spent a while doing various checks and measurements.

1. Standard pan and Caddy pan side by side. Surprisingly the Caddy pan is not much deeper than the standard pan on ours!! I did compare capacities and the standard pan holds exactly 4.5 litres and the Caddy one virtually exactly 6 litres.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/A6pans1.jpg

2. To prove they are bolt up identical I stacked one inside the other. Unfortunately because I tried to take the pics from directly above to prove the holes lined up you can't see that they're stacked one inside the other but take my word they are. I've combined two pics side by side - standard pan on top on left and Caddy pan on top on right. Exactly the same shape/size and if you compare bolt holes they're identical.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/A6pansstacked.jpg

3. I then compared filter depths - assuming the fittings are similar (I have NFI :lol:) the Caddy pan filter sits about half an inch (approx 13mm) lower in pan. To measure depths I put the box one of the pans was in from edge to edge and measured down. Unfortunately with my disabilities it was difficult to hold everything and get a clear pic so the standard one is a bit blurry.

Standard
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/A6pansstdfilterdepth.jpg
Caddy
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/A6panscaddyfilterdepth.jpg

You can also see where the extra depth comes from in the photo below.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/A6panssidebyside2.jpg

[kayman]

thanks wonks thats some good comparisons there.

gaz (or anyone else more knowledgable than myself) from this information if you can tell, will a standard gearbox behave anybetter or will it still have the same flareing issues because of the oil movement?

edit: the caddy pan compared to the standard pan.

also can we drop the pan off the bottom without removing the gearbox?
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[Tre-Cool]

yes, pan and filter come out from underneith. no need to remove the trans.

[Wonky]

Hi Gary (Wonky)

Thanks for following this up. Just so I'm clear - the caddy pan fits as straight bolt up. Depth is similar to Gary (Gaz05) double pan weld up. But the filter will not sit on the bottom of the pan as per Gaz05's solution.

Regards, Dan

See above. The filter I assume will fit on the bottom but given the shape of the pan it possibly won't be as deep as gaz's.


not sure if this pan is the same model your looking at but the filters and pans for caddy models are cheep on this site + fright of course
http://www.newgmparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=getJointLocator&siteid=213815&chapter=&sectionids=0,4135&groupid=4136&subgroupid=2475&componentid=80587&make=5&model=XLR&year=2009&catalogid=2&displayCatalogid=0
all so here
http://www.partswebsite.com/simongmparts/?i=2&make=115&model=388&year=2008&catid=30214&subcatid=31141&section=140&type=parts

Yep, given the price differences I was going to look into getting them from the USA but for the moment if people are interested get the Caddy pans locally because I am pretty sure I can negotiate a price that won't be much dearer than getting them from the USA and paying freight. No filters are available here in Australia now for the Caddy pan, but hopefully if I send one to gaz05 he can make an adapter/extender for it.


Yes, that shouldnt be a problem, if someone can send me one then we can go from there.

Yep, what I'll do is send the Caddy pan and the two normal pans up to you. I've sold the two normal pans to HEKYEH for less than they've cost me because he gave me his rear swaybar for free when he upgraded. One good turn deserves another. :goodjob: Given he is wanting to get well down into the 11s dragging he is only wanting the dual pan solution. You can work out what to charge him for the work you do on his stuff and same for mine. :)

[etrocket]

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/tech/transmission/1103gmhtp_circle_d_6l80e_transmission_upgrades/photo_11.html

Hope this link works. Circle d in the states have also upgraded filters

[HOLDAN]

Hi guys

Where are we up to now? Pretty keen to get this solution installed.

Regards, Dan

[HOLDAN]

Just found this one:
http://www.yourcovers.com/transpan_11025.php

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Just found this one:
http://www.yourcovers.com/transpan_11025.php


i talked to them a while ago the deep pan wont have enough ground clearance as it off a suv
there an error in the description about the shallow pan it doesn't have any
extra capacity so they told me

[HOLDAN]

i talked to them a while ago the deep pan wont have enough ground clearance as it off a suv
there an error in the description about the shallow pan it doesn't have any
extra capacity so they told me

OK Thanks for that - scratch that off the list then.

Regards, Dan

[Dieselman]

Hello all,

Some very good info in this thread - good job to all involved :thumbsup:

I may have missed it but what is the part number for the Caddy pan???

Cheers

Ben

[dusto]

what material is the stock pan made from?
would it be more adventagous to put even more baffeling in?

[Wonky]

Hi guys

Where are we up to now? Pretty keen to get this solution installed.

Regards, Dan

Hi Dan,

My Caddy pan plus HEKYEH's two normal pans are on their way up to gaz05 in northern Qld. I'm wanting him to see what's needed to make a normal filter fit in the Caddy pan - I'm guessing just an extension pipe similar to what he's made for his double pan. Given my car only goes to the drags once a year the Caddy pan with an extra 1.5 litres capacity and with the filter sitting down more into the oil will be perfect for me. I suspect only guys like HEKYEH with his blown VE who drag more regularly will need/want the double depth pan.

In the meantime I'm trying to negotiate a price for a bulk buy with the guys I used to work (indirectly) with at HSPO (basically Holden parts warehouse) to try to do better than the $100+ list price on the Caddy pan.

I'm also going to try a few US places to see if I can get the correct filter sent over to see how it compares.

Cheers,
Gary

[etrocket]

Wonky - would the caddy filter already be lower from factory because of the deeper pan?

[Wonky]

I've never seen inside an actual pan with filter fitted so am guessing as to how the set up works, but I'm assuming there's a pipe connecting the actual filter to some point up higher in the transmission. The Caddy filter has a different part number to the one in the VE but I suspect knowing GM's need to minimise their part range that the actual filter itself is the same but the connecting pipe is longer by about half an inch as that's how much lower it is to the point in the pan where the filter connects.

All pure guesswork on my behalf, which is why I want to try to get the correct filter over from the US if I can.

[cashie]

Sounds good Wonky, I'm interested in the caddy pan and an extension if it comes to pass..

[SilverVH]

Good to see progress is taking place. :thumbsup:

Gaz, unsure if you got my PM and sorry if I've jumped the gun with all this, but going by the amount of interest generated already it would look like there is a lot of demand already for your modified pans. (including me :D )

Is there a good chance you will be making up a few for some lucky LS1 forum members? If so, is there any way to commit to obtaining one either by sending you 2 oil pans or alternatively by transferring to you a holding deposit.

Again, sorry if I've gone and jumped the gun before its all come into fruitation, just I don't want to see you out of pocket by doing all the hard work first and then potentially being left in the lurch. (Unfortunately I have seen this happen on other forums before in the past.)

[SilverVH]

what metal are the pans made from?

I would hazard a guess at a cast aluminium composition.

[dusto]

by the looks i was going some sort of pressed thing???
def not mild steel but stainless maybe looks thin for a alloy one?
if it is wouldnt take much to put a whole in one???

[Wonky]

I'm no expert at metals but I'd guess pressed stainless???? :confused: They're quite thin so not cast. The Caddy one weighs 1.9kg, the VE one 1.8kg.

[dusto]

if they are that thin would adding some more plate to the bottom be a good idea to protect it just in case??
last thing you want is a whole in there and loosing your oil

[SilverVH]

Sorry, I was specifically referring to the caddy pan, looking at the pic it looks cast. Although not having the pan in front of me, I have no real idea :lol:

Knowing GM, they would use the cheapest material available that works :cussing:

[Wonky]

Sorry, I was specifically referring to the caddy pan, looking at the pic it looks cast. Although not having the pan in front of me, I have no real idea :lol:

Knowing GM, they would use the cheapest material available that works :cussing:

I'm sure the VE and Caddy pans are identical material and thickness.

[Tre-Cool]

The pans are pressed stainless. would probably be able to find a company in oz tjat could make some new deeper pans and then add the baffling

[SilverVH]

I think its time I get my eyes checked :lol:

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

The pans are pressed stainless. would probably be able to find a company in oz tjat could make some new deeper pans and then add the baffling

well if the ve pan is stanless its not your ordenery run of the mill stuff as my filter mag sticks like shit to a blankit on them
magnets dont stick to 316 and 304

[Tre-Cool]

sorry i meant steel not stainless. i was doing something in the shed while i wrote the reply on my phone.

i wish it was stainless, would take a fair whack before breaking then.

[Wonky]

They seem to have some sort of coating on them then. Maybe galvanised? :confused:

[dusto]

Looks like it will be pressed zink

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[Tre-Cool]

well it looks like my 6l80 has finally cried enough after 132K km's. 5th and 6th gear are starting to slip at anything over 25% throttle.

looking at the extreme duty 6l80e combo kit from patc, anyone had any experiance with them?

[duke5700]

I was talking to another bloke that mentioned Craigs Autos may of had a pan that would do the job?

[HOLDAN]

well it looks like my 6l80 has finally cried enough after 132K km's. 5th and 6th gear are starting to slip at anything over 25% throttle.

looking at the extreme duty 6l80e combo kit from patc, anyone had any experiance with them?

Yes I bought their kit in Feb this year - havin a world of trouble getting the tune right. Still not right after numerous attempts. I was reading a Tech story on Circle D's website. The clutch packs have fairly tight clearances. According to them, if they are alittle too large, you get hesitation in changes etc. I could go on and on. It's been quite a saga and looking back, I should have bought a T400 and ditched the 6L80E

[Tre-Cool]

I picked up a 2nd hand 08 model trans today for 1500. Job for the weekend t as i started losing 4th and 3rd on the way home.

[Wonky]

Found a pic of the Caddy filter - somebody in the States is hopefully going to get me one and send it over to me ASAP but as expected it does seem to have a long neck.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Caddy_filter.jpg

I hope to hear back on a group buy price for the Caddy pans today. :toetap:

[IJ.]

Found a pic of the Caddy filter - somebody in the States is hopefully going to get me one and send it over to me ASAP but as expected it does seem to have a long neck.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Caddy_filter.jpg

I hope to hear back on a group buy price for the Caddy pans today. :toetap:

Could always make a Male/Female adaptor then use a bracket like the B&M Deep 4L60 sump does.

Benefit of doing it this way is you use cheap/available Genuine filters.

http://ij.supramania.com/public/prog185.jpg

[Wonky]

I expect gaz05 can make up an adapter so the stock filter can be used which is part of the reason I sent him up the Caddy pan I had.

However, given the price the Caddy filter is in the US (RRP approx $US55 but I've seen it on some sites for sub $US30) I'm hopeful we can buy 10 - 20 at a time and land them here even cheaper than our stock filters (part #24252158 list price $69 + GST) and save any messing around. I'm just waiting on Fraser in the US to get back to me on that.

[etrocket]

Any progress wonks??

[Wonky]

Haven't heard back from anyone. :bawl: Understandable with gaz05 as according to Australia Post given his location he may only have received the pans today or maybe not even yet. Haven't heard back from Fraser (not unusual unfortunately :mad: but when he does come through his prices are usually very good). Possibly also understandable because in the scheme of things my order of just one filter until I know it's correct is trivial. If/when I order possibly 10 pans and 10 filters hopefully he'll be more responsive.

Haven't heard back from Holden on a bulk buy price yet but my contact now only works part time - will email both he and Fraser again tonight.

[Tre-Cool]

yeah im keen for something asap which ever way we go as i've just put in a new trans.

i didnt have any spare fluid either so i had to use a couple litres from the old one to top it up and i dont want to waste putting new stuff in & then dump it for the bigger pan.

[HYMEY]

Yes I bought their kit in Feb this year - havin a world of trouble getting the tune right. Still not right after numerous attempts. I was reading a Tech story on Circle D's website. The clutch packs have fairly tight clearances. According to them, if they are alittle too large, you get hesitation in changes etc. I could go on and on. It's been quite a saga and looking back, I should have bought a T400 and ditched the 6L80E

You will be forever chasing ur tale getting the tune right. And if u run the line pressure to high without a modified pan and pickup it makes things worse.

Your crazy bying a turbo 400 for what you want. Its a waste of time, the thing is years ago people hated certain trannies like the torqueflite and C4 but now guys have worked them out there popular all of a sudden. If you just keep changin things willy nilly and its not working then you shouldnt be changin it at all. You need to get the car driving and idling nice to start with(gaz told me it idles up to shit) it should idle stock with ur cam. Then get a decent pan on it, Your box is prob already stuffed from cavitation. The whole clearance thing maybe true but I have never had troubles with A6s at all. They are a fabulous box in the right hands and light years ahead of a turbo 400. First of all it needs oil. Its a hydraulic circuit not a computer program.

I set them up with no torque management on upshift, only downshift , You dont need it on upshift, it just messes up with the cars acceleration, it will shift if it has oil to all the valves and clutches.

Sounds like u have spent a lot of money going in circles and you will continue to do so until you modify the pan.

[HYMEY]

Wonky it only needs a couple more litres of oil, the issue is not its capacity but the filter location is up the front not the back, it needs baffling, it doesnt matter how deep the filter is it will starve for oil and hesitate unless it is baffled correctly.

[Wonky]

Fair enough Joel. I'm just a dumb kent with NFI on the technical aspects and was just looking for an easier and cheaper option for guys like me who want better performance from their A6 but don't need the ultimate performance that guys like gaz05 who seriously drag do. :)

Hopefully gaz can baffle my Caddy pan for me! :goodjob:

[HYMEY]

You should be right Wonky, the caddy pan will work light years ahead of the A6. 99% of guys here dont race the caddy pan is a solution for them and hopefully we get some feedback on here.

For those wondering on line pressure settings we commanded 1750kpa, the highest you can command is 2048 kpa. There was no need to go that high in Garrys car it worked very well with no slip.

[etrocket]

Just a quick question - the drain plug on the caddy pan appears lower therefore when filling up the tranny with oil the level be lower than the standard pan. Can't tell from the pics, can any one confirm. According to wonks pic, the standard plug was 13mm low and the caddy pan 20mm from top

[Wonky]

Just a quick question - the drain plug on the caddy pan appears lower therefore when filling up the tranny with oil the level be lower than the standard pan. Can't tell from the pics, can any one confirm. According to wonks pic, the standard plug was 13mm low and the caddy pan 20mm from top

Actually, you've just made me realise that due to my lack of experience with these things I've been looking at things the wrong way I think, :doh: possibly the same as others given nobody seems to have picked it up either???

That's not the drain plug but the oil level check plug, so I assume that with the car sitting level and transmission up to temp the actual capacities to that point are quite similar i.e. the extra 1.5 litres I measured the Caddy pan as having will just be air if you fill to specifications. :eek:

Lacking technical knowledge of these A6s as I do I do however assume that we could therefore overfill by that 1.5 litres with no real detriment compared to the standard pan and given that many people have found the A6 seems to be better when slightly overfilled even with the standard pan it means with the Caddy pan we could possibly even overfill by 2 litres? Pure guesswork and supposition on my part. :D

Also explains why gaz's extra baffling on his double depth pans is required.

[etrocket]

The check plug will have to be extended say 15mm which should give you the extra 1.5l. Plus the oil level will be slightly higher which we won't anyways. Not sure how easy that is. Hopefully I'm making sense.

[etrocket]

Don't forget wonks, as the caddy check plug is lower, the stock filter will be in mid air without the plug extended

[Wonky]

The check plug will have to be extended say 15mm which should give you the extra 1.5l. Plus the oil level will be slightly higher which we won't anyways. Not sure how easy that is. Hopefully I'm making sense.

I know what you're getting at but seems to me that the engineers designed the Caddy pan to take very little extra trans fluid than our standard pans given the relative locations of the level check plugs.


Don't forget wonks, as the caddy check plug is lower, the stock filter will be in mid air without the plug extended

That's why I have a Caddy filter on its way from the US at the moment :goodjob: just in case for any reason gaz hasn't got time to make me up an extender. For some strange reason, even though Holden keep the Caddy pans they don't stock the corresponding filters! :weirdo:

[HOLDAN]

You will be forever chasing ur tale getting the tune right. And if u run the line pressure to high without a modified pan and pickup it makes things worse.

Your crazy bying a turbo 400 for what you want. Its a waste of time, the thing is years ago people hated certain trannies like the torqueflite and C4 but now guys have worked them out there popular all of a sudden. If you just keep changin things willy nilly and its not working then you shouldnt be changin it at all. You need to get the car driving and idling nice to start with(gaz told me it idles up to shit) it should idle stock with ur cam. Then get a decent pan on it, Your box is prob already stuffed from cavitation. The whole clearance thing maybe true but I have never had troubles with A6s at all. They are a fabulous box in the right hands and light years ahead of a turbo 400. First of all it needs oil. Its a hydraulic circuit not a computer program.

I set them up with no torque management on upshift, only downshift , You dont need it on upshift, it just messes up with the cars acceleration, it will shift if it has oil to all the valves and clutches.

Sounds like u have spent a lot of money going in circles and you will continue to do so until you modify the pan.

Thanks Joel.

I'm getting a pan fabricated - just waiting to get it back.

[gaz05]

Actually, you've just made me realise that due to my lack of experience with these things I've been looking at things the wrong way I think, :doh: possibly the same as others given nobody seems to have picked it up either??
That's not the drain plug but the oil level check plug, so I assume that with the car sitting level and transmission up to temp the actual capacities to that point are quite similar i.e. the extra 1.5 litres I measured the Caddy pan as having will just be air if you fill to specifications. :eek:

Lacking technical knowledge of these A6s as I do I do however assume that we could therefore overfill by that 1.5 litres with no real detriment compared to the standard pan and given that many people have found the A6 seems to be better when slightly overfilled even with the standard pan it means with the Caddy pan we could possibly even overfill by 2 litres? Pure guesswork and supposition on my part. :D

Also explains why gaz's extra baffling on his double depth pans is required.


I will be home tonight Wonky, hopefully your pans will be there, don't worry about it I will get it happening for you.

[HYMEY]

make sure u weld a big pic of a cokk on meads pan, just to remind him who he is lol

[gaz05]

make sure u weld a big pic of a cokk on meads pan, just to remind him who he is lol

Haha. I should too.

[etrocket]

Anything yet?

[Tre-Cool]

about the big ****?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W_DB1u5sWLE/Tc2RV3mumzI/AAAAAAAAAKE/_LRo_kEUCIM/s1600/big_rooster.jpg

[Wonky]

Anything yet?

Not sure who this is directed at but for my part I received an email from the guys at Holden parts warehouse yesterday that they should be able to give me a price on a bulk buy of the Caddy pans today, but haven't received it yet. List price was just over $100 each.

[HOLDAN]

I'm getting a fabricated deep pan (including baffles) fitted next week. Taking the car up to Toowoomba tomorrow and picking it up next friday. Also getting a few A6 tune issues sorted then back to the track to really give it to her.

[etrocket]

Gaz have you received the caddy pan yet?

[Roonstain]

Keen on some pricing for a pan setup ready to go - gaz? joel?

Cheers

[dawkinsdisciple]

thanks for the heads up dieselman

have just finished my build and am sorting through a couple of niggles. box flared occasionally on wot stock, now it can produce some pretty jerky goings on.

will drop mine back at the shop when it's convienient. get them to check tune first. may be looking at one of these solutions anyway, seems like a pretty basic design flaw and pretty easy remedy to prolong gearbox life.

i'm convinced it's one of the better auto options for GM stuff at least. mine performed great most of the time and there's clearly guys punching big numbers, running them reliably. just a matter of sorting out the right solutions. should be grouse sorted.

must remember to watch...

[Wonky]

gaz05 has the Caddy pan I sent him plus the two normal pans I sent him up for HEKYEH and if I interpreted his PM correctly he will be working on them over the weekend including adding baffles etc.. I'll leave it to him to then let people know how he feels the Caddy pan compares to his 2 pan solution in terms of cost vs benefits. I'm sure his 2 pan solution will be the ultimate for serious draggers and I'm hopeful the Caddy solution will be a big improvement over stock for those who only drag occasionally, if at all, and just want to improve behaviour and longevity.

I'm hopeful my Caddy filter will arrive from the US in the next few days and Holden given the dealer a special price (no idea how special) so now just waiting on the dealer guy to get back to me with his final price inc his markup. :toetap:

[SilverVH]

Markup shouldn't be to bad.

I walked out of the Holden dealer the other day after buying a few plastic clips and got enough change out of $20 for a can of coke "ha-ha".

[HYMEY]

What u managed to buy something for 20 bucks? lol

[HYMEY]

I'm getting a fabricated deep pan (including baffles) fitted next week. Taking the car up to Toowoomba tomorrow and picking it up next friday. Also getting a few A6 tune issues sorted then back to the track to really give it to her.

Dont forget the pickup extension!

[HYMEY]

Keen on some pricing for a pan setup ready to go - gaz? joel?

Cheers

Mark, Garry is just doing this to help out a few guys with A6 issues. So send him a pm, he basically has to give up a day though mucking about with the pans making the baffles, machining the extensions, boxing them up and sending them out again, he isn't making any money on it can do that elsewhere so just a favour for the guys to hopefully see some progress.

[HOLDAN]

Dont forget the pickup extension!

All good - thanks Joel.

[Roonstain]

Mark, Garry is just doing this to help out a few guys with A6 issues. So send him a pm, he basically has to give up a day though mucking about with the pans making the baffles, machining the extensions, boxing them up and sending them out again, he isn't making any money on it can do that elsewhere so just a favour for the guys to hopefully see some progress.
Will do - thanks mate!

[Wonky]

Finally got a price on bulk buy of 8 Caddy and 8 normal pans so have sent gaz05 a PM to see if he wants to buy the normal pans and have them sent up to him as not sure if future buys will be at the same price and he deserves first say for his groundbreaking work! :goodjob:

All I'll say now is they're far better priced than list price (normal pan $88 + GST = $96.80 and Caddy pan $91 + GST = $100.10). :yup:

[Roonstain]

Good work Wonks!!!

Fingers crossed I can grab one!

[HOLDAN]

My car is back with the new tranny pan fitted - got an extra 4l of oil in it. It looks really good and so far feels very good. Terry did a few adjustments to the A6 tune and it is now very sweet - a really good balance of smooth shift and quick sharp changes. Will take it back to the track early in the new year. We've decided to put a lock up hi stall convertor in it - 2,500rpm - it's low rpm as I still need to tow my boat.

Regards, Dan

[Wonky]

:goodjob: Dan!!

I'm going to the dealer for something else today so will see if my pans have come in yet. I'm not hopeful as I expected an email saying they were on their way first.

My Caddy filter arrived from the USA Tuesday so yesterday I express posted it up to gaz05 for him to check out in relation to the Caddy pan as to whether he could drop it lower etc..

[etrocket]

Any pics Holden

Ps - I can get genuine Ve ss pans for 80 bucks

[gaz05]

My car is back with the new tranny pan fitted - got an extra 4l of oil in it. It looks really good and so far feels very good. Terry did a few adjustments to the A6 tune and it is now very sweet - a really good balance of smooth shift and quick sharp changes. Will take it back to the track early in the new year. We've decided to put a lock up hi stall convertor in it - 2,500rpm - it's low rpm as I still need to tow my boat.

Regards, Dan


Good to hear Dan, it makes all the difference when you keep the oil up to them.... PS go 3000 at least, mine has 3500 with a basic 6lt and I lug along at 90k locked up in 6th at about 1800rpm.

[HOLDAN]

Any pics Holden

Ps - I can get genuine Ve ss pans for 80 bucks

I'll get some pics over the weekend and post them up later next week.

[Tre-Cool]

Good to hear Dan, it makes all the difference when you keep the oil up to them.... PS go 3000 at least, mine has 3500 with a basic 6lt and I lug along at 90k locked up in 6th at about 1800rpm.
i agree, if it's a decent dual or tripple plate stall the bigger the better especially if towing.

i can lock mine up at full throttle, so locking up at a lower speed with some weight on the back shouldnt be a problem.

[HOLDAN]

Good to hear Dan, it makes all the difference when you keep the oil up to them.... PS go 3000 at least, mine has 3500 with a basic 6lt and I lug along at 90k locked up in 6th at about 1800rpm.

Hi Gary - thanks mate.

Yes haven't decided yet - was thinking maybe 2,800 - I drive every day in traffic so I don't need it too high.

Regards, Dan

[HOLDAN]

[QUOTE=Wonky;1983593]:goodjob: Dan!!

Thanks Gary - all good

:driving:

[HOLDAN]

i agree, if it's a decent dual or tripple plate stall the bigger the better especially if towing.

i can lock mine up at full throttle, so locking up at a lower speed with some weight on the back shouldnt be a problem.

Sounds like that's the go. You'll have to excuse my ignorance here - if it's say 5,000rpm stallie, then if I'm in stop start traffic for most of my driving, won't the transmission be slipping most of the time?

[JezzaB]

Sounds like that's the go. You'll have to excuse my ignorance here - if it's say 5,000rpm stallie, then if I'm in stop start traffic for most of my driving, won't the transmission be slipping most of the time?

The stall will be but not the transmission. The slipping will be causing torque multiplication and heat. Hence the need for a transmission cooler (or even a standard auto)

[etrocket]

Just got a single plate. Works well.

[Tre-Cool]

i'll get a video of mine for you holdan, you'd be surpised to even think it had a stall in it the way i have it programmed.

[gaz05]

I got my hands on the Caddy trans filter today, it is extended and sits 8mm off the bottom... so the factory Caddy pan and filter will suit most people, all I have to do is make a baffle for them and extend the oil level tube if your going to race it.

[etrocket]

Sorry gaz, does the caddy filter sit 8pm from the bottom standard or is that with your extension.

[HOLDAN]

No worries - thanks. I have a PWR tranny cooler istalled.

[HOLDAN]

i'll get a video of mine for you holdan, you'd be surpised to even think it had a stall in it the way i have it programmed.

Thanks - that would be great.

[gaz05]

Sorry gaz, does the caddy filter sit 8pm from the bottom standard or is that with your extension.

8mm off the bottom is standard Rocket, its light years ahead of the VE pan and filter.

[cashie]

8mm off the bottom is standard Rocket, its light years ahead of the VE pan and filter.

Sounds great, but why wouldn't they have just used the caddy pan then, why make a VE one?

[gaz05]

Sounds great, but why wouldn't they have just used the caddy pan then, why make a VE one?

At a guess, ground clearance, it is 30mm lower but thats not an issue really, lots of things lower than the pan, the VE items would be cheaper to manufacture.

[etrocket]

Can someone list the item codes for the caddy pan and filter. Also how much are they roughly

[cashie]

It sounds like the caddy option is a goer, what's the way ahead Wonky and Gaz??
Thanks to you all for your work to date.

[Tre-Cool]

Thanks - that would be great.

Couple of vids as promised. it's a bit jittery as i was holding the camera and unfortunatly the go-pro has shit night vision but you'll get the jist of it.


http://youtu.be/4W7k-ysn1dE

Locked WOT 3-4 shift - I ease into it to prevent wheelspin.

http://youtu.be/mqz_KNiJtjw

[Wonky]

Can someone list the item codes for the caddy pan and filter. Also how much are they roughly

I have ordered the last 8 pans Holden have (they're not getting more as very low seller) and they don't stock the filters :weirdo: which is why I've mentioned previously that I had to get mine from the USA (cost me approx $80 all up). I'm liaising with a forum member over there to send over maybe 10 at a time at which they should be cheaper. Also have one of the newer Caddy pans on the way over from the US (through another contact who had to pay full price + tax :bawl:) in order to make sure it's effectively identical. The Caddy pans Holden had in stock have been superseded to a newer part number, hence me ordering one for comparison. I sent gaz05 a Facebook message to see if he just wants me to send the 8 pans straight to him to add baffles to etc as I'm guessing nobody else knows exactly what is required to do it themselves. :confused:

[Tre-Cool]

i can get a mate to weld in the baffles if gax is willing to provide a template pic of where to place it.

[Wonky]

Given gaz05 did all the groundbreaking work I believe I should give him first option to decide which way he wants to go. If he's happy to provide templates and let people do them themselves then so be it, but I don't want to force him down that path by selling them willy nilly.

[etrocket]

Wonks - is the filter 80 bucks only plus the pan on top

[Wonky]

Filter only cost me $80 to land. List price in the US is approx $US55 but in bulk (10 at a time) we should do better. Here the normal Holden pans (#24239528) have a list of $88.00ea + GST and filters (#24252158) are list $69.00 + GST and I reckon our finished price for pan and filter will be similar, maybe even better depending on how much work is involved in baffling and extending fillers etc.. Unfortunately we just have to be patient as it took me forever to get a bulk price from Holden on the pans and they still haven't arrived at my dealer and at this time of year I assume gaz05 has better things to do with his family than welding stuff for us. :)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

do we have a list of buyers yet ?
i definitely wont a baffled caddey one and filter as soon as they are available
pm with payment details

[gaz05]

No worries, as soon as I get them done and figure out the cost I will let you guys know, getting the Caddy filters might be a bit of a problem though, I might give Dave at YANK a call and see what he can get me.

[Wonky]

I've got someone in the US lined up to get some of the Caddy filters and I'm sure even with shipping they'll work out cheaper than buying a standard A6 filter from Holden.

[etrocket]

I think alot of people will be happy with the caddy pan/ filter only. Shouldn't need baffles (if not racing) as the filter sits fairly low. Just need to extend the plug to get a few more liters in.

[HOLDAN]

820Here are some pics of my new pan......[ATTACH=CONFIG]819[/ATTACH..

[etrocket]

Can someone repost the above pic - can view it

[HOLDAN]

821

Try this one

[HOLDAN]

822

And this one

[Wonky]

What's the pipe out from the bottom Dan in the pic in the second last post? How much chance of hitting it on something?

[HOLDAN]

What's the pipe out from the bottom Dan in the pic in the second last post? How much chance of hitting it on something?

Hi Gary

It's a drain plug. I guess there is a small chance of it getting hit.

[Wonky]

OK, good idea as they don't usually have one but just looks a bit exposed. Wonder if it can be shortened slightly? Or have a U or V shaped piece of metal welded in front of it for protection at a 45 degree angle? :confused:

[HOLDAN]

OK, good idea as they don't usually have one but just looks a bit exposed. Wonder if it can be shortened slightly? Or have a U or V shaped piece of metal welded in front of it for protection at a 45 degree angle? :confused:

Good idea Gary - Terry's making another one for me - he wasn't 100% happy with this one. WIll get the new version plus a high stall fitted in the next few weeks.

Regards, Dan

[SilverVH]

Any chance you could externally host those pics for us non-validated members. :(

[HOLDAN]

Any chance you could externally host those pics for us non-validated members. :(

Yes no worries - I'll put them on photobucket this evening.

[HOLDAN]

http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr21/holdanvess/

[SilverVH]

Cheers for that :)

How does the auto behave with the new pan fitted? Is there a noticable difference or does the tune need tweaking first to realise the true benefit from it?

[HOLDAN]

Cheers for that :)

How does the auto behave with the new pan fitted? Is there a noticable difference or does the tune need tweaking first to realise the true benefit from it?

Flaring has all but been eliminated especially on hills and hard acceleration. I need to take it back to Willowbank to really see how it goes. I'll be doing that in a few weeks time.

[Wonky]

Received notification today that the 8 Caddy pans Holden have left will be at my dealer in the next day or two and when I get them I'll send them straight up to gaz05 for modification as he has bought them all from me to do his modifications on and sell on to interested members. Therefore, if you want one contact him - I know a number are already spoken for. The filters I should have here by the time gaz has finished all his mods.

[etrocket]

Put me down for one pls

[cashie]

http://s466.photobucket.com/albums/rr21/holdanvess/

It's a good job, but it looks a little bit too exposed to me...
I drove off a stupid driveway at the shops on the weekend, and I touched down around that area bloody hard, I crapped myself and worryingly looked for any leaks when I got home (think I only hit the rails fortunately)...

[Wonky]

Put me down for one pls

Best to PM gaz05 to make sure he sees it.

[kayman]

Best to PM gaz05 to make sure he sees it.

is there going to be a pipe line for just the caddy pan and filter... im not going to need the baffles as im not racing it.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

[Raptor6L]

Guys, if (like kayman in the post above mine) you had no need for the baffles, would the caddy pan and filter option be a good investment to get some more fluid into the tranny? Is the caddy filter taller than the normal filter, so it sits in the bottom of the caddy pan allowing for the extra depth?

Cheers
Chris

[HOLDAN]

It's a good job, but it looks a little bit too exposed to me...
I drove off a stupid driveway at the shops on the weekend, and I touched down around that area bloody hard, I crapped myself and worryingly looked for any leaks when I got home (think I only hit the rails fortunately)...

Yes good point. I forgot to mention that I now have Pedders heavy duty springs and shocks all round. Raised car height a cm or 2. So clearance is a bit better than standard VE setup.

[Wonky]

Guys, if (like kayman in the post above mine) you had no need for the baffles, would the caddy pan and filter option be a good investment to get some more fluid into the tranny? Is the caddy filter taller than the normal filter, so it sits in the bottom of the caddy pan allowing for the extra depth?

Cheers
Chris

That's a question for gaz05 to best answer as although I've seen the Caddy pan and Caddy filter separately I haven't seen them together plus I've never seen an A6 with the pan off, so am not sure how/where the filter connects. From memory I do believe he suggested in one of his previous replies that the Caddy pan and filter alone would be an improvement.

PS My Caddy A6 pans still haven't arrived at my dealer. :mad: Will do more chasing up next week as I know that as of early last week they were at their main branch.

[HYMEY]

I think the caddy pan with some minor work will work great

[Wonky]

Received email from dealer today saying the 8 Caddy pans Holden had left will be in tomorrow morning so I'll get there tomorrow or Wed and then send them up to him as he has bought them all. They probably won't get there till early next week as it's approx 4 days from Melb to Nth Qld. Also hope to have the Caddy filters here about the same time (fingers crossed) from the US.

[Wonky]

8 Caddy pans collected today and will be posted to gaz05 tomorrow.

[Roonstain]

Good work Wonky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope to be getting one of these...............

[etrocket]

Can you post a pic wonks

[Wonky]

Can you post a pic wonks

See post #92.

[etrocket]

was referring to the filter when it comes in

[Wonky]

Have had a Caddy filter and sent it up to gaz and not sure when the others will arrive from the US. By coincidence the updated Caddy pan (old one was part #24235511, new one #24250062) arrived from the US today and is absolutely identical to the ones I got from Holden as far as I can see. I'm therefore assuming the only reason for the supercession is that GM changed suppliers. I have someone who has first option on it but if they don't want it I'm happy to sell it to whoever wants it for whatever it cost me to land. List price in USA is $33 and the guy who got it for me paid list plus state tax (probably only a few %) and hasn't told me postage cost yet, but did warn me to be sitting down when he told me as it was just over the weight limit for parcel post so had to go priority. :eek: Now it has arrived I'll ask him for the total so I can repay him but at the absolute worst I expect the total to be what list price on the Caddy pans here was which is $100, hopefully even less.

Pic of filter I posted previously:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/Caddy_filter.jpg

[Wonky]

Oops! 8 pans + packing + box = 17kg which is too heavy for me to safely handle due to my disabilities, so I need my wife to post them for me. She was busy yesterday arvo so they're all boxed up and labelled ready to go to gaz05 today. :yup:

[Wonky]

8 Caddy pans now on their way to gaz05. I have one here for anyone who wants it at exactly what it cost me to get from America, which is where any more have to come from as I cleaned Holden out of theirs and they're not getting any more in as they were poor sellers.

I paid the guy in the US who got it for me $US100 which at Paypal's current conversion rate cost me $A99.51 ). It cost him $41.01 for the pan inc state taxes and $53.40 to send (6lb - see Priority Post on http://pe.usps.com/text/Imm/ab_012.htm#ep1572941), so if anyone wants it for $100 it's yours - same as their list price was here. First in, best dressed! Filters coming soon.

Cheers,
Gary

[heavyduty1340]

Wonky

The one pan left, it it going to Gaz05 to be baffled?

Do you have a filter coming to suit?

If so, Ill take them off your hands

[Wonky]

It arrived the day the last 8 Caddy pans Holden had were due to be sent to gaz05. Fortunate timing as it allowed me to do a direct side by side comparison with the old part number to confirm they were still identical as far as I could see. I didn't want to bother gaz again as we've already had heaps of PMs to and fro and he's a busy man, plus I'd heard there were already a few guys who wanted the extra security of the additional capacity of the Caddy pan and deeper filter but didn't feel their circumstances justified the extra effort and cost to get them baffled, therefore figured one of them would probably buy it. However, if anyone who hasn't had confirmation from gaz that they've already got one of the 8 I sent him up assigned to them wants to contact him and arrange him to do this one and pay the extra cost to send it up to him (approx $20 - $25 with registration) I'm willing to do that on their behalf once their money comes through.

As for the filters I'm still waiting on my contact in the US to get back to me. He originally said he should have them on their way last weekend but given he doesn't have my address I assume they're not and even though I've tried to contact him I've heard nothing more. I know he has a few other things on at the moment but do expect him to eventually come through. However, even if worst comes to worst, as long as you know someone in America or use a freightforwarding company like http://www.borderlinx.com/ or http://www.shipito.com/ etc you should have no problems in getting one. The first one I got came via another friend in America who just walked into his local dealer and got one for me (at an inflated price + state sales tax!! :eek:) then sent it over using US Postal Service and the total cost to me was just under $80. A standard A6 filter here is list price $69.00 + GST = $75.90 i.e. effectively no difference!! I'm hoping buying and shipping 8 or 10 at a time will land them even cheaper (if it happens). :)

[Raptor6L]

G'day Wonky
You planning on doing another order of these pans and filters from the States somewhere down the line?
I'd like one but recent developments up here have me tightening my belt for a little bit.

Cheers
Chris

[Wonky]

Probably not Chris as I have to use friends over there to do it, so the less I have to do so the better. I've now got hold of 10 Caddy pans, the original one I got to see if it would be as good, or close to as good as the double pan but with a lot less work/cost involved, then the 8 remaining pans Holden had, then the new one from USA to make sure they were still the same, even though the part number is different (new manufacturer I'm guessing???). My original is being modified by gaz05 for my car, he now has the 8 I got from Holden to modify and sell as he feels and the last one I got is now spoken for. That should take care of initial demand hopefully.

Filters I'm hoping to get a dozen off which will cover the 10 pans already out there, plus a spare for me and whoever else grabs one. Filters should last 100,000+ km from what I've read, probably even more with extra oil in the gearbox, so when it comes time to renew people should be able to just get one from the USA. They'll always be available as heaps of cars over there use them. As I said above, I landed a Caddy filter here for about the same price as a stock filter here and similarly a Caddy pan. That was with a friend just walking into his local dealer, paying more than the list prices I've seen quoted, state taxes on top of that, then sending them over through USPS i.e. no discounts anywhere. :(

[Wonky]

Unfortunately the filters won't be here till early next month now - the guy on here who was meant to be getting them for me has turned out to be busy/not as reliable as I'd hoped and is now away for a week so send he'll collect and send them (they're already ordered) on the 25th (fingers crossed). If I try to get them through gmpartsdirect they say 7 - 10 days delivery, then a few more days to my other friend in Arizona, so may as well wait for the first guy if he promises to do them as soon as he gets back. :(

[dawkinsdisciple]

will be seeing shop to chuck brakes on soon, haven't decided on rims yet, will get them to check the tune and see what they say. basically want to be reasonably able to WOT without to much worry.

am quite interested in one of these too... really want to get the most out of the gearbox now. this seems like it could be a very good idea.

[dawkinsdisciple]

doublepost

[Tre-Cool]

unless you have a power adder with a high stall etc, i think most people wouldnt notice the difference or require new sump.

I reakon i would done more hard km's on my original transmission in 6 months than most people would over the life of their vehicle and it took over 3 years for my auto to die and it lost it while i was driving sedatly at 70kph in traffic.

This is not pointed at anyone in particular, but just because there are a few modified cars trialling this out and having success, does not mean every man and his dog requires it. If you can't afford to replace the transmission at your own cost in the case of a warranty decline.

LEAVE THE THING ALONE!!!

[Wonky]

My warranty is up in two months and given my car's cammed etc I'm sure they'd wipe any warranty claim on my A6 anyway. Mine occasionally still flares and annoys me so for relatively small cost I'm prepared to give it a shot. I suspect most of us are in a similar boat. It's not as though we're going wild on mods given we're using a genuine GM pan and filter and just adding baffling.

Also, am investigating another possibility in the hope of getting the filters here sooner.

[dawkinsdisciple]

unless you have a power adder with a high stall etc, i think most people wouldnt notice the difference or require new sump.

...

This is not pointed at anyone in particular, but just because there are a few modified cars trialling this out and having success, does not mean every man and his dog requires it. If you can't afford to replace the transmission at your own cost in the case of a warranty decline.

LEAVE THE THING ALONE!!!

no warranty, car twin turbo and looking to increase boost at some point. gearbox flares on WOT shifts, behaves well maybe 85% of the time but will try find out soon enough if it's just a tune issue.

[seldo]

I've been watching this thread withn interest for a while as my mate has a current Grange and has had auto problems from day one. It's been back to Holden/HSV numerous times and they've replaced the valve body, new computer flash etc but he continues to have the same problem which is:
Whenever he goes on a decent drive (ie he regularly does Brisbane/Yamba - 300km) he finds that after a while it (a) won't go past 4th or 5th, (b) it sometimes goes into limp mode, (c) the problems always seem to be worse after it's been getting a bit of stick, (d) it is always worse after some spirited driving and especially after a climb up a windy, hilly road where the box is up and down through the lower gears, and (e) after he lets it sit and cool for 10 mins, and then turns the ignition on and off about 5 times it will re-set and all's good....until next time.
I thought it could be oil surge in the tranny and then consequent over-heating, but he is really an old sheila and wouldn't know about driving it hard...
Any clues?

[Tre-Cool]

I've been watching this thread withn interest for a while as my mate has a current Grange and has had auto problems from day one. It's been back to Holden/HSV numerous times and they've replaced the valve body, new computer flash etc but he continues to have the same problem which is:
Whenever he goes on a decent drive (ie he regularly does Brisbane/Yamba - 300km) he finds that after a while it (a) won't go past 4th or 5th, (b) it sometimes goes into limp mode, (c) the problems always seem to be worse after it's been getting a bit of stick, (d) it is always worse after some spirited driving and especially after a climb up a windy, hilly road where the box is up and down through the lower gears, and (e) after he lets it sit and cool for 10 mins, and then turns the ignition on and off about 5 times it will re-set and all's good....until next time.
I thought it could be oil surge in the tranny and then consequent over-heating, but he is really an old sheila and wouldn't know about driving it hard...
Any clues?

Could be a block in the trans cooler line or just not enough trans fluid. Pretty sure i mentioned this before, but over-filling the box doesnt seem to hurt them in any way. i.e an extra 1-2lts once the level has been checked. best done warm and on a 2 post hoist. chuck it in gear and check it.

[gaz05]

Could be a block in the trans cooler line or just not enough trans fluid. Pretty sure i mentioned this before, but over-filling the box doesnt seem to hurt them in any way. i.e an extra 1-2lts once the level has been checked. best done warm and on a 2 post hoist. chuck it in gear and check it.

Its getting aerated oil, remove the pan off an A6 and take a look how the valve body intrudes into the pan, have a look at the available room for the filter and then the oil level... its an engineering mess. Tre, my box was 3 1/2 years old and no problems except for the normal complaints that every one has, I had it rebuilt when I put the 7lt in the car... no difference, still the same problems. I then put slicks on it and went to the drags, the car would launch and then free rev, has the acceleration rate decays it would get oil and lock the clutch pack and go and do that three times then settle down, I had three outings like that then we decided the oil was not staying around the pickup... how right I was. I made a pan deeper and extended the filter and added two baffles. Now I just put it in drive and it runs 1.5 60s and changes like a T400, 10.8s with the 7lt.... 11.8s with 6lt, 11.3s with 75shot on 6lt, the trans just works no matter what I do to it. Most people dont require it if not racing but try some 1.5 60s with a standard VE pan set up and see what happens, if you overfill it enough you might get away with it but you might blow oil out the breather or blow the fill plug out, that would be catastophic on the track. The oil level is set for a reason, like saying put an extra couple litres in your engine to stop oil starvation... much smarter to fix the problem.

[Wonky]

Have probably got a dozen filters lined up through a different source now - possibly $10 - $15 more each this way. All to be confirmed soon but even if they are slightly more expensive the landed price should be at most what we pay for a normal A6 filter here, so not a great drama. :)

[Tre-Cool]

have you tried to the likes of scoggins dickey in the usa. they sell genuine gm parts and will ship to australia.

i baught a bunch of ls9 rocker covers from them.

[seldo]

Thanks guys :)

[ORRBI]

Does anyone know if all the caddy pans that gaz is doing mods to are sold. Have tried to PM him but never got a reply.
Thanks

[T2000]

Does anyone know if all the caddy pans that gaz is doing mods to are sold. Have tried to PM him but never got a reply.
Thanks

^^^ ditto ^^^

Very keen for a set aswell

[Wonky]

I suspect gaz05 is very busy one way or the other as he hasn't even replied to my PM from days ago and I was the one who got him all the Caddy pans. I guess if those 8 are gone and there is enough extra demand we could try to organise some more to be sent over.

[T2000]

Yeah, Cheers Wonky!
I think that the demand for these will be pretty constant.
Anyone who has had the slipping issues and/or the bad/no shift with decent horsepower will probably be looking to get one & get the issues sorted once and for all.
Thanks to you, Gaz & anyone else who has been involved in the R&D and obtaining the parts. It os no doubt the solution we have all been waiting for :idea:

[bladerunner]

Yeah, Cheers Wonky!
I think that the demand for these will be pretty constant.

shit yeah! i'm after one of these as well if possible.

[Wonky]

Had a PM today from gaz05. He says he's been inundated with PMs and he will post when the pans are all done. In the meantime I have a dozen Caddy filters ordered from the US and they should be leaving there soon (I hope!).

[Wonky]

Unfortunately due to a miscommunication with the company I was dealing with for the filters (they were apparently still waiting for the go ahead from me after I paid for the filters :mad:) I've gone back to getting them (I hope) through the original guy I was going to get them from as he should now be back from his holidays. The second company were worrying me with their potential freight quotes which to me were waaaaaay over the top!!

[Wonky]

Faaaaaark!! Talk about frustrating........... :mad: The forum member over there who said at the end of last year he was happy to get a dozen filters for us and send them over is having life issues and wasn't responding to me after the other place stuffed up. He finally responded after I told him I'd now ordered from yet another place. Bottom line is they are now ordered and after numerous emails with them I'm confident they'll do the right thing. Freight price can't be determined exactly until they have all 12 filters there but they've given me estimates which are much more reasonable than the other company was talking about. By the time they get 12 into stock and then send them it may be a fortnight or so before I have them but apparently (so I was told) gaz05 is on holiday anyway.

I expect they'll be slightly cheaper than we can go into a Holden dealer and buy a standard filter, even with freight.

[Dieselman]

Give me a yell when you get a price sorted out Wonky :)

[Wonky]

No problem Ben - one is definitely earmarked for you. In fact given I only had 10 Caddy pans altogether including the first one I got for myself and the new part number one I got from the USA to check it was still identical and which you bought there is one for every pan gaz has plus two spares, one of which I'll keep for myself. :D Even in future if people need to order one from the states they can be landed here for cheaper or not much more than going in and buying a normal SS/SSV A6 filter from a Holden dealer and given the number of cars using the Caddy filter over there they'll be available forever almost.

[Wonky]

Finally .............. The 12 Caddy filters should be on their way very shortly as freight just paid for (filters themselves were paid for a while ago). I need to find out from gaz05 whether any modifications are required to the actual filter or not. I doubt there are and if so will just sell them direct to individuals who want them. However, if modifications to them are required I should probably sell them direct to gaz to do his thing with and determine a final price based on his labour and materials.

[Wonky]

Message for gaz05 - do the Caddy filters themselves need to be modified or not or is any modification required just a case of making an extension of some sort as you had to do with your double depth pan? Reason I need to know is I anticipate the 12 Caddy filters arriving next week and need to know whether they have to be sent to you for modification or whether I can just sell them individually.

[Wonky]

gaz05 has informed me that no modifications are required to the Caddy filter, so I'll just sell them directly to those who have the Caddy pans.

List price on the standard Commodore A6 filter (part #24252158) is $69 + GST = $75.50. The Caddy filters will be $60 + postage + box for those who require them posted. I'm not sure what postage + box will be so will say $15 for the first few until I get a better idea, then may reduce it if required. Even with postage it's still cheaper than walking into your local dealer and getting one. :) Please don't PM me for payment details unless you know you have a Caddy pan coming from gaz as even though I have a spare or two I'd hate to have to go through all that again. :(

[Roonstain]

gaz05 has informed me that no modifications are required to the Caddy filter, so I'll just sell them directly to those who have the Caddy pans.

List price on the standard Commodore A6 filter (part #24252158) is $69 + GST = $75.50. The Caddy filters will be $60 + postage + box for those who require them posted. I'm not sure what postage + box will be so will say $15 for the first few until I get a better idea, then may reduce it if required. Even with postage it's still cheaper than walking into your local dealer and getting one. :) Please don't PM me for payment details unless you know you have a Caddy pan coming from gaz as even though I have a spare or two I'd hate to have to go through all that again. :(

Well, i'll grab one if I am one of the lucky people getting one of the pans - so guess we'll wait and see