V8 6l omega???

[Muncha]

Quick question to those in the know. Can you order or get a base model omega, sedan or ute, with the 6L driveline?

Been thinking of getting a new car and something that is new, powerful, and without the extra baggage of the ss,ssv etc.

Does anyone here own one? Does it need to be a special order through the dealership? Ie 1-6 month wait. :)

Thanks in advance.

[Wonky]

Short answer - no. :( Longer answer - no way!!

[255-LS1]

pretty sure not mate.

ss ute / sedan or berlina is the cheapest way in i beleive.

[jfp]

6L is not an option for Berlina any more. So Calais or SS.

[csv rulz]

Pretty sure it doesn't come in Calais anymore either, think it can only come in Calais v.

[Wonky]

Pretty sure it doesn't come in Calais anymore either, think it can only come in Calais v.

:eek: Yep, just checked on the Holden website using Build A Vehicle. Not even an option on Calais now, only Calais V.

[tmob]

Pretty sure it doesn't come in Calais anymore either, think it can only come in Calais v.

Yep - Your spot on.

Omega, Berlina, SV6, Calais and Caprice are all 6-cyl standard.
Calais-V and Caprice-V are 6-cyl standard or 8-cyl optional.
SS and SS-V are 8-cyl standard.

[The_Senator]

Pretty sure it doesn't come in Calais anymore either, think it can only come in Calais v.

You are indeed correct! No V8 in any model less than a Calais V.. WOW..

There must of been a distinct lack of purchases for the V8 in Calais and Berlina and hence why it's dropped..

[Micks]

@ the end of the day an SS isn't a shitload better than an Omega accessory wise & aint a whole lot more to get yourself into an eight either.
It would be nice if GM gave us more drive line options on a new car, gee I would of went for an LS3 instead of the L76 but that's not gunna happen.

Cheers
VYT

[planetdavo]

You are indeed correct! No V8 in any model less than a Calais V.. WOW..

There must of been a distinct lack of purchases for the V8 in Calais and Berlina and hence why it's dropped..

Hardly any sales ever occured. Berlina and base Calais should be merged into the one model (and likely will). They are usually bought by the same older customer that is rarely interested in a V8.

[Muncha]

Has anyone tried to order one?

[jaykay]

Hardly any sales ever occured. Berlina and base Calais should be merged into the one model (and likely will). They are usually bought by the same older customer that is rarely interested in a V8.
It can be called a Calina

or Berlais.....:lol:

[VNV8]

or "retiree special" , maybe they should bring back the vacationer!

[Wonky]

Has anyone tried to order one?

I'm 99.99% sure now the assembly line is so automated there is no way they'll even consider it except potentially for so much extra cost you may as well just buy an SSV or Calais V.

Even over 5 years ago when I was working indirectly for Holden and had a number of good contacts, when I asked about getting my SSV sedan in Evoke I was told that even if they would process the order it would cost me an extra $5k just for needing to modify the production schedule to do a one off. That was only for a paint change!! :eeeeek: Sticking a 6L and corresponding gearbox etc in a lower model car would be even messier now they're no longer made.

[Phillshz]

Back in the old days, Premier`s and SL/E`s came with 253 as standard. A 202 was a option or special order.
If my memory serves correct more VT Calais were V8`s than V6`s or at least a 50/50 split.
The buyers of those cars were probably not V8 obsessed but could afford to pay that bit more to own and run a V8 so they did. It was more of a old school way of thinking/ prestige thing to have a V8 in that end of the market.
Times/market have changed and the cars/manufactuers have changed to suit the current trends.

Back when ford was shying away from V8 power in the late 70`s, the V8 option was moved being able to have it in anything to less mainstream models and wasn`t really advertised. Ford have done it again with the dropping of the XR8 and moved V8`s to FPV only.
Don`t be surprised if holden follows in the next few yrs.

[Swordie]

The option ceased on the VXII. Back then it was $5,000 extra.

S.A Police purchased base VYs and maybe VZs with a V8.

[dogsballs]

SA and QLD continued to order (in very small numbers) VZ Execs in 5.7 and there are a few VZ MY06 with L76's. :wave:

[Muncha]

How long were you looking before you found your vz?

[dogsballs]

a couple months, but i got lucky, well i offered a $100 finders fee. i've heard of 3-4 of them (mine, another white in vic, white in sa, red is brisbane), so i'd imagine 10-15 made.

i used to have the 5.7, quite a few of those around (30+, white and red), regularly come up on carsales.

[Marco]

Hardly any sales ever occured. Berlina and base Calais should be merged into the one model (and likely will). They are usually bought by the same older customer that is rarely interested in a V8.

Agree, can no longer see the point of offering the Berlina. You hardly ever see them in dealers or on the road either, makes me wonder how many are actually being sold. The Calais costs little more and has enough extras to make it worth the slight extra spend.

The three levels of SS is another thing that makes me wonder; are many people bothering with the regular SSV when the Redline is only a few grand more?

[Goggles]

Agree, can no longer see the point of offering the Berlina. You hardly ever see them in dealers or on the road either

this pic is the only evidence that the Berlina exists :) (far left corner behind my car)

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/goggles13/377742_2412983887451_1336891051_32674860_170671932 7_n.jpg


The three levels of SS is another thing that makes me wonder; are many people bothering with the regular SSV when the Redline is only a few grand more?

agree, things like the better brakes on the redline should be standard on the SS/SSV, given the limitations of the standard brakes.

[Troutman]

Holden's messy line-up dates back to the days when the car had a hefty percentage of the private market all to itself, so there was a variant for every man and his dog. The revised Caprice range shows this is changing, while Ford has gotten its act together too (no more Futura, Fairmont, Forte and whatever other nonsense)...

[jfp]

I think the introduction of the SS Redline has now started to blur the line between Commodore and HSV (given the improved brakes). It will be interesting to see where Holden and HSV take the model options over the next couple of years.

[ATOMIC 8]

I think the introduction of the SS Redline has now started to blur the line between Commodore and HSV (given the improved brakes). It will be interesting to see where Holden and HSV take the model options over the next couple of years.

Not really. Hsv have different engines, suspension, brakes, bodykits, interiors etc.

No confusing a hsv and an ss at all.

[jfp]

My view only is that previously the SS was a Commodore with the same V8 as other Commodores but will different interior and a body fit - basically the same mechanics as available on other Commodores eg FE2 etc (a simplified view). IMO it was the mechanical differences between Commodore and HSV that made the HSV stand out. Now with the Redline it has the mechanical enhancement of brakes. What more mechanical enhancement will be introduced on the SS?

[Phillshz]

Agree, can no longer see the point of offering the Berlina. You hardly ever see them in dealers or on the road either, makes me wonder how many are actually being sold. The Calais costs little more and has enough extras to make it worth the slight extra spend.

The three levels of SS is another thing that makes me wonder; are many people bothering with the regular SSV when the Redline is only a few grand more?

The market and car equipment levels are changing. That bit bit extra $$ got you a mid level spec (berlina) with climate and fast glass/nice dash cluster and a plusher trim. And alloys vs steelies. It was there if you couldn`t afford a top spec (calais) but wanted some luxury. If you ticked the box for a V8 then you had a comfy SS (basically) that was cheaper than a SS and a excellant sleeper :driving:.

The market has changed and now having anything other than a SS V or Calais V seems to be seen as being a bit of a scrooge IMO.

If there was no Acclaim/Berlina or Futura/Fairmont then holden and ford will have likely lost those sales to someone else. Ford still do it but have just changed the names XT-G6-G6E.
I do think the Berlina and Calias will be merged at some point though, if they aren`t selling well as seperate models then it would make sense to combine them into one.

[Marco]

One other interesting thing is how big a seller the SV6 has become, especially compared to how few of the old S models you used to see. I wonder if there'd be a market for a better SV6, sort of an SV6-V or even an SV6 Redline?

[255-LS1]

One other interesting thing is how big a seller the SV6 has become, especially compared to how few of the old S models you used to see. I wonder if there'd be a market for a better SV6, sort of an SV6-V or even an SV6 Redline?

yer market for one with a turbo lol

[Phillshz]

yer market for one with a turbo lol

It did wonders for ford with the XR6 Turbo.
Yes i have noticed the amount of SV6`s getting around has been growing,the old S pack was never a big seller so i wonder what gives nowdays?

[jono0309]

It did wonders for ford with the XR6 Turbo.
Yes i have noticed the amount of SV6`s getting around has been growing,the old S pack was never a big seller so i wonder what gives nowdays?

The new SIDI motor isn't bad at all, not slow and does provide acceptable fuel economy. Cheaper to purchase, cheaper to run with the same car/functionality apart from the driveline.

[macca_779]

Mate that knows nothing about cars was looking at used SV6 sports wagons. asked him why and he said not bad options. Told him to crack that away and look at Calais sportswagons. Far better value.

[CLUBRED]

SV6 is retailing at Omega prices-ish at the moment isn't it. I can't say I've ever seen an Omega as a family hack (well seems they're popular second hand though). I don't like the SV6 badge, it should be in my opinion the S with an optioned one being an SV (although HSV may have a cow). Drop the lumina, equip etc and just fill that with the Berlina (the VL Berlina is actually one of my all time favourite Commodores).

[GAMBLR]

SV6 is most likely popular for similar reasons the BA XR6 and VZ SV6 were such a hit. Look a lot more appealing to a family man who has to compromise on performance and costs due to having a wife and kids, but doesn't want to drive around in something drab and boring.
Essentially, there isn't a whole lot in terms of equipment an SV6 has over an Omega, but for similar prices, the SV6 is much more aesthetically appealing.