VT 5litre WTF no panhard rods

[288vxgts300]

Hi guy,s,

just scored a very cheap not running 98 VT 5 litre 5 speed,old mate was up for rego and washed engine and car would not start.

anyway he bought a new dizzy,cap,leads,plugs,alternator and a pile of other new parts and could not get it going,by this time the 3 months was up and he threw his hands up and wanted it gone.

car has simmons 17 inch very good tyres and over all a very good car,worst thing paint is faided,as it has been out in sun ,and is a very dark blue looks black most of time,the best bit i got it for $1,500,brought home,asked missus to crank it and had a VERY weak spark.

in the collection of new parts not fitted was a coil,stuck that on and she fired straight up,yeehar,what a score.

i,ve got a VX GTS and i noticed this car is missing the rear panhard rods,you can see where they go,but it looks like it hasn,t ever had them fitted,does anyone know what might be wrong,it has adjustable shockes.???????????????

apreciate any help

cheers craig.

[motomk]

Phone up consumer affairs! You've bought a fake Commodore. ;)
I can only guess by Panhard rods, you mean Toe links. The VTII/VX GTS cars had the toe links which then became standard on all the VXII cars onwards. A few of my friends pick up the VXII/VY rear suspension and swap them over. Any VXII has the toe links, doesn't have to be a V8. The VT/VTII and VX didn't have this stuff on them except the GTS versions (Don't think the VT series I GTS had it either)

[Souljah]

Panhard rod on an IRS car. LOL.

[288vxgts300]

thanks for the help motomk

as you can see i didn,t know what they were called,so they are toe links,guess thats why i couldn,t find anything searching.

so everything is OK then,i think i might fit some,as you can see brackets where they will bolt up to.

souljah,

cheers bud,i know feel like a twit,lol.:doh:

[motomk]

thanks for the help motomk

as you can see i didn,t know what they were called,so they are toe links,guess thats why i couldn,t find anything searching.

so everything is OK then,i think i might fit some,as you can see brackets where they will bolt up to.

souljah,

cheers bud,i know feel like a twit,lol.:doh:

I believe you need the whole rear suspension frame as it has all the mounting brackets on it as well as the different trailing arms. Mind you if you have the GTS to compare it too, you will see which parts you need. My VTII SS doesn't have it either but it does have a 4 point camber kit which works ok but I would go down the swap over to the toe links if I put more thought into it!

[288vxgts300]

thanks for that,

i better have another closer look,

but already having a couple of looks ,the 2 mounting spots on either side are there, its a 98 5 litre with the optional police pack ,dunno if that means anything.

its gunna be a town hack for the shopping centres,you know how other people treat cars.

[nailit]

Phone up consumer affairs! You've bought a fake Commodore. ;)
I can only guess by Panhard rods, you mean Toe links. The VTII/VX GTS cars had the toe links which then became standard on all the VXII cars onwards. A few of my friends pick up the VXII/VY rear suspension and swap them over. Any VXII has the toe links, doesn't have to be a V8. The VT/VTII and VX didn't have this stuff on them except the GTS versions (Don't think the VT series I GTS had it either)

Correct . . . and these were initially retro fitted to the VX GTS at HSV . . . easy job with the right tools

[288vxgts300]

ok, just had a much closer look at both cars,and it seems the VT must of had the rear already changed as everything is there except for the TOE LINKS,i might remember now.

thats what got me thinking something was missing as the bracketry is there,and i thought the previous owner must of pinched the adjustable toe links,but i looked closer and it looked as if nothing had been there for a very long time.

so the rear end is not going to fall out,thats good to know,i might give it a squirt today,it,ll have nothing compaired to the GTS that sam did a full engine job on,but it is a sweet sounding small engine.

[whiteknight2211]

The 'control links' (as advertised by Holden with the VX) we always meant to be included all the way back in the VP Commodore IRS design however were omitted to keep costs down. The control link was a marketing point on the VX adds in additional to the inclusion of ABS as standard

One of the posters is also correct, the panhard rod is not a component fitted to IRS.

[godsvt2]

:worthless:

[Souljah]

souljah,

cheers bud,i know feel like a twit,lol.:doh:
Sorry for my flippant reply dude. Motomk covered pretty much all points but yeah, the old panhards went out with the live axle setups.

[288vxgts300]

Sorry for my flippant reply dude. Motomk covered pretty much all points but yeah, the old panhards went out with the live axle setups.

no worries mate,thanks.

and godsvt2,

i,d love to share my stable with you all,but because i,m not a validated or frequent poster,i can,t upload pics yet,been through all this months ago,dunno what the go is,maybe one day i,ll be able to share some of my cars with you all.

not sure if you guy,s are into HK monaro,s and xu-1,s or not,as they run carburettors ,but one monaro runs on methonol.

[288vxgts300]

The 'control links' (as advertised by Holden with the VX) we always meant to be included all the way back in the VP Commodore IRS design however were omitted to keep costs down. The control link was a marketing point on the VX adds in additional to the inclusion of ABS as standard

One of the posters is also correct, the panhard rod is not a component fitted to IRS.

appreciate your help,

do VT,s wear the inside of rear tyres alot more than the VX, seeing that this component is missing.

i,m not that familiar with these cars rear end set ups,even though we,ve had our GTS for many years,i spend many hours working on old monaro,s and torana,s

[motomk]

no worries mate,thanks.

and godsvt2,

i,d love to share my stable with you all,but because i,m not a validated or frequent poster,i can,t upload pics yet,been through all this months ago,dunno what the go is,maybe one day i,ll be able to share some of my cars with you all.

not sure if you guy,s are into HK monaro,s and xu-1,s or not,as they run carburettors ,but one monaro runs on methonol.

Get the pictures hosted somewhere and someone will be along to fix the links up on here!

[288vxgts300]

HI hopefully this link to one of my albums works,these are a few of my vehicles.

i,m sort of isolated where i live,and have plenty of room to collect and build older holdens.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/monaro/Picture028.jpg

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/monaro/7th1st2011009.jpg

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/monaro/DSC00020.jpg

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/holdens%20outback%20adventres/21122011940.jpg

http://s807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/monaro/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ16

If you can get in my other albums the holden outback adventure thread is where my travels go collecting old holdens

let me know if it worked please.

[Phillshz]

appreciate your help,

do VT,s wear the inside of rear tyres alot more than the VX, seeing that this component is missing.

i,m not that familiar with these cars rear end set ups,even though we,ve had our GTS for many years,i spend many hours working on old monaro,s and torana,s

God yes they do! It`s common with the early style rear. Driving it hard or carrying/towing any weight (anything that loads up the rear) will destroy rear tyre inner edges in 10,000k if you try,ever seen a vt wagon on hols with a big caravan behind it and a boot full of gear? The rear tyres have about 5deg of neg camber! :doh:
The links all but fixed the problem overnight. Holden being tight arse`s and cutting corners here and there (holding out on ball jointed front sway bar links) and leaving out toe links. How much extra can it really be on a $30k car,do it right the first time and buyers will vote with their feet. No wonder holden is struggling and the japanese companies gain market share and unbreakable/fuss free reputations. :shock:

[288vxgts300]

trying to put up a pic of our xu1,its a 73 model one of the 150 fully optioned engines.
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy358/73bathxu1htbath350/xu-1/13112011871.jpg

[Ron SS]

You have a great collection there. I could only access the Monaro album. You also have a great workshop ...even a rotisserie for painting. Given your experience, I'm surprised you asked about a panhard rod for an IRS rear. The pre VX2 models missed out on the toe rods. Hence they tend to toe out on bump and scrub the tyres. The toe rods correct the geometry to maintain specified toe in throughout the wheel travel. As stated by others, some HSVs pre Vx2 also had them. Excessive neg camber occurs if you lower the rear too much and this needs correction at the semi trailing arm mounts.

[godsvt2]

no worries mate,thanks.

and godsvt2,

i,d love to share my stable with you all,but because i,m not a validated or frequent poster,i can,t upload pics yet,been through all this months ago,dunno what the go is,maybe one day i,ll be able to share some of my cars with you all.

not sure if you guy,s are into HK monaro,s and xu-1,s or not,as they run carburettors ,but one monaro runs on methonol.

fair enough

[288vxgts300]

You have a great collection there. I could only access the Monaro album. You also have a great workshop ...even a rotisserie for painting. Given your experience, I'm surprised you asked about a panhard rod for an IRS rear. The pre VX2 models missed out on the toe rods. Hence they tend to toe out on bump and scrub the tyres. The toe rods correct the geometry to maintain specified toe in throughout the wheel travel. As stated by others, some HSVs pre Vx2 also had them. Excessive neg camber occurs if you lower the rear too much and this needs correction at the semi trailing arm mounts.

hi,

Experiance in early monaro,s and torana,s,the VX GTS i love and bought for a family car,got rid of the VK group 3.When i first bought the GTS about 6 years ago, first job was yank out engine and i drove it to samsperformance,where he fitted H beam rods,diamond forged piston,s,competition cam,new rollers stud kit,head overhaul etc i wanted it to be bullet proof,and have more power.Sam is a great guy and i,d recomend him to everyone.If it was and early chev i would have built it my self,but leave things alone you have no idea about.

Its a hobby thats out of control,but it keeps me home.

Appreciate everyones help on this forum.