ecolpi xr6 v sidi 3.6 v corolla

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

someone posted this on AFF and was wondering how people thing the new gas commies will REALLY perform against these cars???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxWJPfvMsSs

[Aus8]

Should be ok and on the money economy wise even being the vapour system. Wont have as much power or Torque as the Falc's liquid injection though. It is slower than its petrol equiv Commo also whereas the Eco LPi Falcon is quicker than its petrol variant. Will be a good cheap car to run no doubt about it but without the performance of a petrol Commo or Petrol/Gas Falc.

Interesting to note Holden gloat the merits of their vapour system but HSV chose to go liquid.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

what sort of torque levels will they have..because if what u say is true performance wise..id imagine thyl need bucketloads of it so in the real world with passengers and lugging things around town and up hills..they dont suffer too much economy wise.Interesting to see some combined figures soon..and real world figures too...

[Aus8]

The torque of the 3.6 LPG (the only motor offered with the LPG) is 320nm which is about 30nm less than a regular 3.6 commo and 100nm less than the lpi falcon. However Im guessing most buyers will be company rep cars and possibly gov cars who are not looking at any other figure than the fuel economy in which case its a winner.

Quite a good read here also about the range

http://www.caradvice.com.au/159889/holden-lpg-commodore-review/

[shaneooo]

I have driven 2 out of the 3 cars listed, and would choose the Falcon over the Corolla anyday, teh Falcon drove very well for a car on LPG, much better than ther old system.

The Commodore maybe slower than the Falcon, however it will still be a good drive and a good alternative to keep families buying larger cars, i'm sure that Holden will market the new engine alot better than Ford also!

I honestly think that both Ford and Holden should have provided more advanced LPG engines years ago, particularly Ford which has always been the leader.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

The torque of the 3.6 LPG (the only motor offered with the LPG) is 320nm which is about 30nm less than a regular 3.6 commo and 100nm less than the lpi falcon. However Im guessing most buyers will be company rep cars and possibly gov cars who are not looking at any other figure than the fuel economy in which case its a winner.

Quite a good read here also about the range

http://www.caradvice.com.au/159889/holden-lpg-commodore-review/

thats a shocking article..i mean wheres the actual economy numbers(their real world from their test drive)....what the hell are they comparing range with small cars for(lancers cr-vs and mazda3s)...OMG..good one holden(slaps head). They basically say they built an LPI commadore but it failed so they went back to the old smelly tech.And the plusses are(compared with the greater power and tourqe of the falcon) it now starts in the heat of australia....(slaps head.) Hopefully the holden advertise it better then that haha

[Jamolad]

Just because LS1 tolerates trolls, whereas AFF doesn't, does not mean that you have to continually abuse the privilege.

:sleep:

[701let]

thats a shocking article..i mean wheres the actual economy numbers(their real world from their test drive)....what the hell are they comparing range with small cars for(lancers cr-vs and mazda3s)...OMG..good one holden(slaps head). They basically say they built an LPI commadore but it failed so they went back to the old smelly tech.And the plusses are(compared with the greater power and tourqe of the falcon) it now starts in the heat of australia....(slaps head.) Hopefully the holden advertise it better then that haha

I'm very worried about what you are going to do to yourself when ford discontinues the falcon...

How's 'your r8'?

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

I'm very worried about what you are going to do to yourself when ford discontinues the falcon...

How's 'your r8'?

thats nice of you..but il be fine...more worried about all the jobs lost cus when one goes theyll all go...falcon gone means commadore too. And the R8 is now long gone and am now in a merc..its not much better to be honest..here i was thinking you got what u paid for..pah

so tell what IS GOOD about that article...cus the way i see it all holden is doing is advertising that the ford ecolpi is better...and at the moment knowone even knows it exists...thats how i see it atm anyway...not to good

[Carby]

Considering the Ford engine is 400 cc larger, the Fuel economy difference is small and yet the power/torque difference is huge. In this case Holdens marketing is more spin,
you do not get a full spare without losing boot space (just like Ford) and the way Ford has it's starting procedure set up, I don't see why Holden is sprouting their start procedure as better.

Looks like Holden has gone for the cheap vapour system which seems to suggest that they don't have any development money.

The fact that the Commodore is more expensive is laughable but testament to Holden's great marketing and loyal following. In real terms this new LPG Commodore, technically, is a major disappointment.

[Aus8]

The LPG Commo will be a success given that people who will buy the volume base model Omega are company cars and gov etc will only be looking at the fuel economy figure. Not the 100nm less than the Falc, old tech system etc. The people who choose to buy cars in this segment just dont care its just a figure.

The Falcon LPI has no starting issues when you open the drivers door it primes up and ready to crank.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

whats the g/km for the gas commadore...i know the ecolpi falcons is under 200g/km.A first in aus eco cars i think!! I wonder how much that works into fleet choices as opposed to fuel economy?

[Marco]

I think I read yesterday that it was 180g/km and the Falcon was 190. Both are excellent figures!

[Aus8]

The only issue I see with these cars is how much extra tax is going to be put on gas!

[mickeyVX350]

Except that they aren't comparing apples with apples - nowhere does it state that it is an LPG commodore, so the assumption is ULP...
So, an LPG falcon, a 190KW High Output SV6, and a corolla.... Yeah that test was certainly about benchmarking... or as we call that stacking "Benchmarketing"

[Irish]

Except that they aren't comparing apples with apples - nowhere does it state that it is an LPG commodore, so the assumption is ULP...
So, an LPG falcon, a 190KW High Output SV6, and a corolla.... Yeah that test was certainly about benchmarking... or as we call that stacking "Benchmarketing"

At the time the comparison was performed the new LPG commodore engine hadn't been released. It is simple marketing to private buyers and most private buyers would opt for the 3.6l over the 3.0l.

[planetdavo]

Holden will have spent less developing their MY12 mono LPG VE than Ford, as it's pretty much a fine-tuning of their existing engine by removing the need to compromise performance and economy for two different fuels. The major economy gains are obviously from the 6 speed auto over the old 4 speed auto.
I agree with one or two others about why this thread was started to begin with, considering the OP's "history" of input on this forum. The success, as always, will depend on the sales figures. Will this "superior" (and far more expensive to develop) injected LPG Falcon engine equal a much higher sales volume than the old tech LPG Falcon engine (and Commodore)? It will be VERY hard to figure out what sales Holden or Ford gained from any small cars like Corolla, unless the buyers complete a survey.

[LSavvy]

With all the talk of fleet buyers, one would think ford will miss out without the wagon option.

[planetdavo]

Possibly, but the old wagon was really no more than a tarted up EA wagon with the more modern sedan front half attached model after model. The rear end was pretty much just reskinned to match as best it could. It would have taken lots of money to bring the wagon up to full modern sedan spec- money Ford didn't have.
Mondeo is their large-ish lugger now, not a lot smaller than Falcon was, and it's available with an economical diesel engine.