Possible to hoon a front-wheel-drive car?

[crowned]

Howdy from NYC. On my favorite car blog--Jalopnik--there recently was a discussion about whether or not it is possible to hoon a front-wheel-drive car.

Discussion: http://jalopnik.com/5888006/citroen-ds4-racing-for-the-refined-french-hoon

I though I'd come to Australia (over the internet) to ask what the inventors of the term think.

One definition posted was this:
You know, I always think of "hooning" meaning tearing up a hilly road/dirt road city at night/in rain in a sort of janky rear-wheel-drive car and really pushing it to the limit--jumping humpback bridges, sliding around roundabouts, etc. A big part of it is being right on the edge or out of control. It ends in either a wildy-fast beating heart and thinking "man I probably won't get away with that too many more times" or a spin. If you're a pro driver in a racing car on a track, it's not possible to hoon anything. There's too much safety and skill--hooning to me is about the thrill of danger, rather than stunt driving. It's what happens when you get the keys to an old volvo on snow-tires or your buddy's Camaro.

Another was this:
No, hooning is about driving a car, any car, at it's limits, and even beyond them, just for the hell of it; the pure thrill of it. It doesn't matter if it's skillful, it doesn't matter if it's pretty, it doesn't matter if it's even all that fast. All that matters is you are getting the most out of your vehicle that you can and are having fun in the process without being a danger to yourself or others.

If you can't have fun without a rear differential, then you're completely missing the point of not only hooning, but being a Jalop at all. Instead of being an elitist about it and sowing division amongst other car enthusiast, just go out, grab a car, any car (even a front-wheel-drive one), and drive it like you hate it.

If doing that doesn't bring a grin to your face and raise your pulse rate, then there's just no hope for you.

There's lots more in the thread (link above) So, what do you all think? Is it possible to hoon a front-wheel-drive car?

[dazzrael]

The term "hoon" is not one that car enthusiasts in Australia tend to label themselves with.

It is generally a derogatory term used in the media to villify anyone who takes any sort of an interest in cars. Put a set of mags on your Commodore and you are labelled a "hoon"

Especially in Victoria! Australia is becomming a nanny state to the extreme.

But yes, you can "hoon" in anything that has wheels in this country, if you believe the media anyway.

[seedyrom]

Handbrake on, clutch dump, spin front tyres = hoon behaviour
Street racing with other front wheel drive cars = hoon behaviour
3" straight through exhaust with 4" cannon = hoon behaviour


You can be a hoon on a moped. So yes, you can hoon in a FWD

[feistl]

In victoria its considering hooning if you change gear above 1500rpm or do 0-100 onto the freeway in less than 1 hour, 27 minutes 14 seconds.

Victoria is also the only state in the world were police officers will shoot you in the face if you exceed the speed limit by 0.0045km/h.

[VY-SV8]

some car enthusiasts do label themselves as a hoon.... i know i do.

[MR57SS]

Im not a hoon im a public road enthusiast :P

[HSV Manta]

Victoria is also the only state in the world were police officers will shoot you in the face if you exceed the speed limit by 0.0045km/h.

So. How many have been shot this week???

[Toddler78]

Im not a hoon im a public road enthusiast :P

yeah and Im not passing cars aggressively, Im just passing back markers

[BEARWOOD]

"HOON" relates to the style of driving not what you're driving, i think.....maybe....who fu(kin knows! It's a bullshit blanket law to make it easier for the police to book you for something.
If Grandpa accidently drops the clutch in his Dato and he's given it a few herbs because he can no longer hear the engine revving is he a "HOON", probably not but he can be charged as one.

[calais190]

It's funnyhow the rest of the world doesn't consider "hooning" to be an issue, but Australia has a book of laws on it. In the states, streets racing is somewhat of a problem and that depends on what state you're in. If your in LA, police frown upon the behavior. If you're in Texas, no one gives half a sh1t.

Vicroads (the bureaucratic bastards) have invented all sorts of pointless laws and dramatized every burnout on the street so that they can hold the authority to take more money from you. Speeding kills - by 4km/h over the limit (the point where penalties apply) is considered dangerous, antisocial behaviour. We must be one of the only countries in this world who feels that way...

[andrewslr]

It's funnyhow the rest of the world doesn't consider "hooning" to be an issue, but Australia has a book of laws on it. In the states, streets racing is somewhat of a problem and that depends on what state you're in. If your in LA, police frown upon the behavior. If you're in Texas, no one gives half a sh1t.

Vicroads (the bureaucratic bastards) have invented all sorts of pointless laws and dramatized every burnout on the street so that they can hold the authority to take more money from you. Speeding kills - by 4km/h over the limit (the point where penalties apply) is considered dangerous, antisocial behaviour. We must be one of the only countries in this world who feels that way...


It happens in Australia because we have inept, unimaginative state and federal government who collectively cannot manage the public purse with any sense of intelligence or forethought. The motorist is an easy cash cow, as is the smoker (I don't smoke), the gambler, and the "ordinary Australian".

Now maybe the welfare sector of society has it right......have kids to multiple fathers/mothers, claim benefits and baby bonuses, be supported by centrelink and take rent support or public housing. These people know how to extract money from the government.

OK, I now see the error in my argument, the government needs the hoons to be able to afford the handouts.....bugger!!

[dazzrael]

So. How many have been shot this week???

18 or so at last count.... plus those who have yet to recieve thier sentences in the mail thanks to our massive network of speed cameras

[HSV Manta]

Cheers. I will keep that in mind next week when I am over that way. Wouldn't want to get summarily shot by the coppers.... nasty place you blokes live in

[dazzrael]

Cheers. I will keep that in mind next week when I am over that way. Wouldn't want to get summarily shot by the coppers.... nasty place you blokes live in

just remember.... "wipe off five" and you wont get shot

[Grennan]

18 or so at last count.... plus those who have yet to recieve thier sentences in the mail thanks to our massive network of speed cameras

The worst thing is waiting for your bullet in the mail.

Of course you can hoon in a FWD car. Even going by the "overseas definition" of hoon as long as you drive the car hard enough you could hoon in practically anything.

[macca_779]

just remember.... "wipe off five" and you wont get shot

Stupidest campaign yet in Vic as if people don't drive slow enough as it is. Most cars have a degree of error in their speedo. I've seen 10% in a lot of cars. Add the "wipe off 5" and at 100 you have a lot of people potentially driving at 85. Absolutely ridiculous on many vic roads which are in fantastic condition and capable of well in excess of 100 safely.


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[stumps57L]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/ex-afl-star-faces-hoon-drink-driving-offences/story-e6frg12c-1226285754911

Jeff Farmer can hoon a FWD car but he is the wizard

[JezzaB]

Macca's trays under the rear tyres :)

[Stewge]

Stupidest campaign yet in Vic as if people don't drive slow enough as it is. Most cars have a degree of error in their speedo. I've seen 10% in a lot of cars. Add the "wipe off 5" and at 100 you have a lot of people potentially driving at 85. Absolutely ridiculous on many vic roads which are in fantastic condition and capable of well in excess of 100 safely.


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Only in Victoria will you find a split double-lane main road (2 lanes each way) with huge parking lanes either side with a 50km/h speed limit.

Just to show you how retarded hoon laws are I like this little tidbit from Wiki:
"At the end of 2010, 62 cars had been impounded by the courts. None were worth more than $1600 and many were not even capable of reaching 150 km/h."
To me that says they were driving stupidly old and unsafe bombs which are just flat out dangerous, no matter who's driving them.

That being said, I have no faith in the typical Australian's ability to drive. Just the other day (during the extreme rain we had) it was literally unsafe to drive much more than 80/90km/h on the western freeway due to water pooling. Next thing I know, some tosser in a Lancer flies past, weaves between me and another car in front of me in the other lane (not all that much room to get between us in the dry mind you) where we had slowed down to around 70-80 as we approach a dip (and huge stream of water going over the road) and said Lancer doesn't slow down for the water and aquaplanes, almost losing it entirely right in front of me and another person in the other lane. As such we were both on the brakes and a bit wobbly but since we weren't doing 110 in the rain it was controllable. People just don't seem to know how to drive to conditions here :weirdo:

[dazzrael]

Stupidest campaign yet in Vic as if people don't drive slow enough as it is. Most cars have a degree of error in their speedo. I've seen 10% in a lot of cars. Add the "wipe off 5" and at 100 you have a lot of people potentially driving at 85. Absolutely ridiculous on many vic roads which are in fantastic condition and capable of well in excess of 100 safely.


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I have a new Corolla as my daily and the speedo in it over-reads by 6km/h, and it is brand new. So if I "wipe off 5" at 100km/h I will actually be doing 89km/h in a 100 zone. Then I will have wankers sitting right on my ass in all weather conditions. I sit right on the speed limit now, especially on the ring road and the princes freeway, been pinged by pretty much every speed camera along them for 3ks over. Freaking ridiculous really, If anything the draconian speed limit enforcement in Victoria makes the roads MORE dangerous than a more lenient approach would. People just stay glued to thier speedo's petrified of getting fined and losing thier licence for 3km/h over the limit. Victoria needs to WAKE UP and start addressing REAL road safety issues, speed is the last ranked killer on the roads after drink driving and fatigue. But you cant fine people for driving tired, so they concentrate on the money spinner and expect the public to believe that 5km/h over the limit is dangerous!