Coupe - Camber Issues.

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

Well as usual with every other VT< VX etc I have ever brought I have had camber issues. From dropping it on its guts.

I now have a GTO coupe. 2002.
This is not a car I plan on selling anytime soon so I want to do it right this time.

It already has very low springs, Whiteline swaybars etc etc. But the camber side hasnt been touched yet.

What is the best camber "kit" on the market? Surley there is something better than the 4 point offset bushes? Or is this still the only way to fix them. Im considering making my own bars with oversized bushes with offset bushes insterted in them. All from steel. Then they can take the standard bush inside that. Its only a thought at this stage. (im a machinist by trade so this is not an issue for me.)
But is there something on the market already?

It only has the stock 18" GTO wheels at the moment but Im sure when I wack the 20's on there I will have more issues.....

[HSVREDSLED]

Well as usual with every other VT< VX etc I have ever brought I have had camber issues. From dropping it on its guts.

I now have a GTO coupe. 2002.
This is not a car I plan on selling anytime soon so I want to do it right this time.

It already has very low springs, Whiteline swaybars etc etc. But the camber side hasnt been touched yet.

What is the best camber "kit" on the market? Surley there is something better than the 4 point offset bushes? Or is this still the only way to fix them. Im considering making my own bars with oversized bushes with offset bushes insterted in them. All from steel. Then they can take the standard bush inside that. Its only a thought at this stage. (im a machinist by trade so this is not an issue for me.)
But is there something on the market already?

It only has the stock 18" GTO wheels at the moment but Im sure when I wack the 20's on there I will have more issues.....

I got a camber kit done here.....

http://www.wholesalesuspension.com.au/

Whilst they are a long way away, they may be able to advise you which to get.

The wear issue on the inners is gone, and Im getting fuller life out of my tyres. However, I think traction may have been affected a tad. It seems the VY-VZ commies like to squat done on the inners at launch which in some way helps traction? Doent make sense to me, but I have noticed a slight loss.

[xmas]

the best thing to do, if you want your car to handle well is get different springs. (cost probably about the same as fitting a 4 point kit)

lift the rear a bit to reduce the camber, say 1-1.5deg, then set front to max which i can get around 2.5deg.

however if you dont want your car to handle well........dump it,fit those massive rims, and enjoy looking cool

[Zeussy]

I'd be making your new arms if that's within your skill set. I looked at my old VY's rear end with an open mind "how can I fix this?"
With a few solutions, only to be shot down by other factors. Was looking at moving the inner mount up/towards the floor pan, but with the way the arms are shaped it would take too much clearancing.
Then thought about pie cutting the arms near the hub, bending the hub (down when on the car) then reinforce with a fish plate.
I even got another K frame and set of control arms to mock up on the bench. But then I sold the car... lol.


AFAIK, there is no proper solution for the rear end's of them, suprisingly. If you could make a set of arms that would work, I'd be certain there would be a market for them. The bushes aren't worth the effort, a bandaid at best, had a set in a VT and the problem was still there.

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

I am amazed that these is no one that makes a conversion!

Like you say Zeussy. There is a few options but they are major! and I dont want to move chassis points etc as at the end of the day its a colectors car and I plan to keep it for a long time.

I think its like you said I need to just look at making my own arms. Maybe using the adjustable bushes. But only for fine adjustment. Have the boss's offset from the start.

I gather it would all have to be engineered.... Might have to grab some control arms and have a play....

There would be a huge market for them. Like I said I cant believe no one does them!!

xmas - understand what your saying. Im happy with the way this handles. It the best handling car I have owned. Way better than any of the senators I have ever had. Its tight and direct. And very drivable. Its legal low. So not too low. When I said 20's honestly im more looking at 19's.

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

Doing a bit of a search and people talk about fitting a VZ rear diff cradle and suspension. Is this possible? Does it cure the issue? Are they adjustable?n Do they even fit?

[chargedvx6]

The VY/ VZ cradle is a bolt in and I've helped a mate do it. He ran a 2 point adjustment kit to aid in camber and obviously the factory toe adjustment range on the VY unit is fine. It's a job best done on a hoist but we did do it in around 4 hours in the driveway. Mind you we aren't wimpy kids and it was pretty full on physically.

If your springs aren't lower than ssl the VXII on should be good to allign with factory parts only. A 4 point adjustment kit on the rear may be of assistance and the fronts should have plenty of camber adjustment stock as long as you aren't looking for circuit racing camber lol. I always get my front adjustment bolts replaced each allignment. They are a throw away job according to GM

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

Cheers for that. I have a car pit so thats not a prob.

The springs are SSL's

Whats different about the VY/VZ cradle compared to the VXII? Can you put the genuine adjustable VY/VZ bushes into the VXII? Or are the control arms different?

I really only want to do this once. And do it right! If a VY/VZ cradle is going to be much better than a VXII than I will do it. I do not have alot of faith in the superpro etc adjustable bushes. Cheap nasty crap.....

[bricat]

Am having vx2 cradle fitted today after 3 camber kits wasted money time and tyres. Will get 4 new tyres 18's and alignment done. If this does not work car is gone. sorry VT2 ls1

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

why didnt you fit the VZ cradle? Is there any differances between the VXII and VZ cradle?

[Zeussy]

VX Series II - VZ = Same cradle.

In my VY on Lovells SSL, the adjustment was insufficent. It helped, but didn't get it anywhere near what it needed to be.

On the VX II - VZ cradles its not the bushes that adjust, but a threaded rod that connects/mounts to the back of the hub and the main frame of the crossmember. Not really possible to put the "right bits" onto the earlier cradle as it would require welding the mounts on, and the positioning of the adjuster bar mounts would be fairly critical. Easier to just swap the cradle out.

[Mozz]

Don't forget to get your tyres flipped on the rim and rotate front to back half way through their life - not a fix but it does extend the life of your tyre investment :-)

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

Ok cheers.

Might just get the camber bushes fitted and see how I go from there. If I still needs more adjustment I will get another VXII cradle and modify it to have adjustment! :driving:

Next question. Whats the best brand of bush?

Ive tried superpro crap before in a VT. and they did not last!
Ive tried noalathane and they not only failed but where noisy!

Im thinking whiteline. Any other suggestions?

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

Just seen these kits by KMAC:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BNIB-COMMODORE-VN-VT-VZ-VX-IRS-KMAC-REAR-CAMBER-TOE-KIT-/350455960770?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5198cd94c2

twice the price of whiteline, superpro etc. Is there any feedback on them? Are the worth the extra $$?

[JET_VUGMH]

Ive tried superpro crap before in a VT. and they did not last!

What was your problem with them, myself and im sure plenty of other people on here have them, they are IMO the best bushes out their. My whole car has been done for over 5 years, and they are still brand new.

Are you sure they were legit Superpro, and not the knock-off crap from China / Ebay?

[HZute-efi-VS5L]

They where the old style. With the bolt adjust. Not like there are now with the bigger straight through bush. I have used heaps of superpro bushes etc. But I didn't like their camber ones...