Genuine VZ R8 CLUBSPORT?

[johnvzclubby]

Hi Guys,

Looking at buying a VZ clubsport R8 but cant seem to determine if it is actually an R8 or not. The car has leather interior, has R8 on the dash when you start it, however doesnt have r8 on the HSV build plate or doesnt appear to be a R8 when i rang HSV. Now the log books say it was an R8 but this is hand written. Is it possible that the dash cluster has been changed? However the build number on the dash and plate match? Sounds a little bit sus to me. Any help would be great, cheers.

[5.7heaven]

ring holden, given them the VIN. if they say its not, then its not a genuine built HSV. Anyone can change badges, dashs, clusters etc

[Marco]

Hang on - so it has a HSV build plate that doesn't say it's an R8 - what does the build plate say it is? Or do HSV build plates not normally state the model?

[johnvzclubby]

the HSV build plate says HSV Clubsport but it looks like it runs out of room for the r8. The Dash cluster says R8 on it and the build number 1293 matches both the cluster and plate on the car.

[johnvzclubby]

Does anyone have a 05 VZ R8 clubby that doesnt say R8 on the plate?

[5.7heaven]

could be a clubsport, not R8 spec
whats the VIN?

[johnvzclubby]

Vin is: 6g1zk54u55l515847

build no: 1293

[johnvzclubby]

just looking at a couple of pics on the forum of other guys cars, there is an 05 clubsport with VZ Clubsport R8 on the plate. This seems a littke weird to me.

[johnvzclubby]

my main concern isnt if its an R8 or not, just if the clock has been wound back somehow. The service history does seem to stack up though and its not stolen or a write off.

[zorro]

To my knowledge the r8s got the new style seats and std clubsports got the old style coulson with std headrest. From ones I've seen this is the case.

What about other aspects, what brakes are on it?

[5.7heaven]

it is a Clubsport, but Holden does not recognise it as an R8

[Micks]

If it seems suss it probably is, keep walking & don't fall in love with the first thing ya see!
Cheers

[johnvzclubby]

it has the leather wrap around seats, I dont know to much about the brakes they say HSV on them, but dont look very big!

[johnvzclubby]

it is a Clubsport, but Holden does not recognise it as an R8

So its a clubby, but not a fullspec R8? Ie A clubsport optioned with leather or somthing? Again the dash clearly says r8 on it and has r8 in the book.

[5.7heaven]

I have a friend who works at Holden near my work. He said their computer says Clubsport, but not Clubsport R8.
R8-10 speaker stereo (2 subs on rear parcel shelf), 4 spot brakes, overhead centre console, space saver spare,
non R8-6 speaker stereo, 2 spot brakes

[johnvzclubby]

I have a friend who works at Holden near my work. He said their computer says Clubsport, but not Clubsport R8.
R8-10 speaker stereo (2 subs on rear parcel shelf), 4 spot brakes, overhead centre console, space saver spare,
non R8-6 speaker stereo, 2 spot brakes
So its a clubsport with leather? is this just one of those rare ones?

[johnvzclubby]

I have a friend who works at Holden near my work. He said their computer says Clubsport, but not Clubsport R8.
R8-10 speaker stereo (2 subs on rear parcel shelf), 4 spot brakes, overhead centre console, space saver spare,
non R8-6 speaker stereo, 2 spot brakes
So its a clubsport with leather? is this just one of those rare ones?

[5.7heaven]

non R8 with leather. go see your local holden dealer, they can tell you what date it was made, along with all the added extras put on the vehicle from new. a forum user here -HSV- gave me my information, i dont think he is around anymore though.

here is what he got me for the Statesman i had, all i gave him was the VIN.

tag: L744902
model: WH international sedan
engine: LS1
trans: M30 auto
first purchased from: WA
warranty start date: 28/6/01
originally sold from: Brian Gardner Holden
built: 22/6/01

options...

051 - pack - international - 8wy, ls1, m30
18I - interior trim - pewter
27U - exterior paint raven (b171)
4DD - pack - 2 - 8wy19 - 414/424/434
A8W - international pack series II - from 7/6/01
AJ7 - restraint system seat, inflatable, driver and passenger front and side.
AV1 - adjuster front seat power, 8way, passenger
AV2 - seat front bucket, driver, reclining, 8way adjuster, memory, power
AX2 - key common, vehicluar unique
B13 - equipment additional, australia
B58 - covering floor mat, front and rear, carpeted insert
CJ2 - a/con front, auto temp control, dual zone
CX5 - country australia
FE1 - suspension system - soft ride
GU4 - axle ratio rear, 3.08:1
JL9 - anti-lock brake system
NP5 - steering wheel - leather wrapped
NV7 - variable effort power steering
PZ9 - wheel - 17X8 alliminium
QNZ - tyre - 235/45VR17 BL R/T TL HWY
RHD - right hand drive
U4B - co-ordinated changes SOP VZ - from 8/9/00
U72 - power anntenna front
UE1 - communication system vehicle, gps
UR9 - radio - am/fm stereo, auto reverse cassette, multiple compact disc, etr, dolby
VA1 - radiator standard
W1Y - steering wheel radio controls
W6R - interior trim, leather, from 1/12/00
XW6 - paint finish, metallic

[jsme]

They definately have R8 stamped on the plate.

Here is a pic of mine back when I got it.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/30850101501985827307149.jpg/

[johnvzclubby]

Seems its defiantly not an r8 then. Is 21k for an 05 stock clubby in devil yellow with leather a decent price??

[planetdavo]

According to the transport history of that VIN you provided, it left Australia mid Nov 2005, and arrived at Moyes HSV in Auckland late Nov 2005...

[johnvzclubby]

According to the transport history of that VIN you provided, it left Australia mid Nov 2005, and arrived at Moyes HSV in Auckland late Nov 2005...

Auckland? What are you suggesting?

[johnvzclubby]

When did it come back to aus?

[planetdavo]

Auckland? What are you suggesting?

I'm only suggesting what the shipper says about that car's VIN.
Definitely, more investigation would be required, as there are at least a couple of questions. Does the owners manual show who stamped the first service? If you are serious about this car, paying $15 for an official HSV authentication certificate via the Authenticate my HSV link, under the "Owners" tab of www.hsv.com.au might be worth your while.

[johnvzclubby]

I can't exactly remember who did the first service on it, however I can find out.what will the certificate tell me Dave? For 15 bucks I'm more then happy to get one. What would you suggest I do from here?

[LSavvy]

http://www.graysonline.com/lot.aspx?lotNumber=0001-3000655

Sold last October through grays??

Also the R8 had the 10 spoke wheels and the Clubsports had 5 spoke wheels. not that it helps with that car having aftermarket wheels.

[johnvzclubby]

This just keeps getting more and more sus! The bloke told me he got it 4 years ago. Interesting!

[LSavvy]

The Grays add shows the car with 100,549kms

Then when you put the rego (YJT424) in google it was also at manheim auctions with 100,606kms.

I would keep looking for a car that is not so "sus"

[johnvzclubby]

The Grays add shows the car with 100,549kms

Then when you put the rego (YJT424) in google it was also at manheim auctions with 100,606kms.

I would keep looking for a car that is not so "sus"

Definatly gonna give this one a miss, anyone selling and nice vz clubby or Maloo?? Lol

[jsme]

If you'd have asked a week earlier I would have sold you my R8 Black Manual 94,000km for $25k'ish. It gets traded tomorrow.

[tezzastreasures]

hi all

i looked this up and doesn,t say anything about leather. possibly done aftermarket when it got to n.z. just makes it a normal clubsport then.

cheers tezza

[johnvzclubby]

hi all

i looked this up and doesn,t say anything about leather. possibly done aftermarket when it got to n.z. just makes it a normal clubsport then.

cheers tezza

Thanks for all the help guys, Ill give this one a miss.

[Toddler78]

might pay to call the RTA or send them an email to investigate the car. It might all be innocent but with what has been discovered already on the car, if the seller is pulling a deliberate shonk then the guy should be stung for it.

[johnvzclubby]

might pay to call the RTA or send them an email to investigate the car. It might all be innocent but with what has been discovered already on the car, if the seller is pulling a deliberate shonk then the guy should be stung for it.

With the guy knowing my address etc, probably not a good idea to cause a stir!

[LSavvy]

Possibly could have also been a repairable write off in NZ??

[redvxr8clubby]

A genuine R8 will have Clubsport R8 and build number on the HSV build plate. My VX R8 certainly does. An R8 should have the newer style HSV seats, a non R8 has SS style seats but with HSV trim, leather in a non R8 I'm not sure, but I'm thinking probably aftermarket. For more info have a look on HSV website (HSV classics) you can see the specs of various models, might give you some confirmation of what you have seen. Be careful assuming cars advertised as R8's on the likes of Carsales as it's pretty common to see non R8's advertised as an R8. Look for the telltale signs of seats, brakes, wheels if original HSV, and HSV build plate.

[KrisR]

If you're after a genuine Clubsport with all of the fruit, I have a mate that has an SV6000 for sale. PM if you want details...

[johnvzclubby]

all good guys, ended up getting a genuie VZ r8 in ignition with roof for 26k. The thing is very tidy. I should have it tomorrow if all goes to plan.

[dgp]

all good guys, ended up getting a genuie VZ r8 in ignition with roof for 26k. The thing is very tidy. I should have it tomorrow if all goes to plan.

Good work.
I have never seen a VZ Clubsport in ignition.

[255-LS1]

Dunno about ignition but fusion certainly. Most likely fusion, fusion is a better colour imo anyway

[johnvzclubby]

sorry, yes fusion.

[johnvzclubby]

sorry, yes ignition.

[redvxr8clubby]

I would think Fusion, Ignition is a VE colour, how many Kms? $26K is a reasonable price for a genuine VZ R8 if the Kms are decent and it's in excellent condition with a sunroof too, sounds like a good buy.

[johnvzclubby]

I would think Fusion, Ignition is a VE colour, how many Kms? $26K is a reasonable price for a genuine VZ R8 if the Kms are decent and it's in excellent condition with a sunroof too, sounds like a good buy.

Yeh the things pretty nice, full exhaust, ve clubby wheels, only 90km with full books and not a mark on the thing. I'm pretty happy with it. Can't wait to stick a nice cam and stally in the thing.

[jsme]

Wait what? They took off the VZ R8 super sports?

[AVENGE]

There was Ignition coloured VZ's.....I've got a 06 Maloo R8 in Ignitions even says it on the build plate. There's not very many of them at all but from what I was told by HSV they were a HSV special order to do the last few in the colour. Not sure if the Sedans got it but Maloo's definately did since they were still being built in the VZ's while the VE sedans were already in production ( remember VE utes didn't come out until a fair time after the sedans ). PS ignore my drivers door, its the wrong shade of Ignition after it was repaired.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/hsvvt83/Photo2-11-1120754PM.jpghttp://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/hsvvt83/Photo2-11-1135141PM.jpg

[GR346]

Having not seen a VZ in that colour, I really really like it. I know the VZ sedans got a "limited" run of that Turismo blue and Devil Yellow but havent heard of them in Ignition
The colour looks so different on the Z

[redvxr8clubby]

I'd be thinking the Maloo would be a late 06 the colour most likely available since the E series sedans were released. I would guess it would be built after say September 06? Looks good.

[zorro]

There are vz utes (non HSV) in ignition also, last run of the thunders with some even having an l98 :D

[255-LS1]

The vz utes both holden and hsv got ignition cos the ve sedan was released at the same time hence ignition being available. Fusion was only available on vz hsv's. Ignition was not available on vz sedans

[motorin on]

There was Ignition coloured VZ's.....I've got a 06 Maloo R8 in Ignitions even says it on the build plate. There's not very many of them at all but from what I was told by HSV they were a HSV special order to do the last few in the colour. Not sure if the Sedans got it but Maloo's definately did since they were still being built in the VZ's while the VE sedans were already in production ( remember VE utes didn't come out until a fair time after the sedans ). PS ignore my drivers door, its the wrong shade of Ignition after it was repaired.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/hsvvt83/Photo2-11-1120754PM.jpghttp://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/hsvvt83/Photo2-11-1135141PM.jpg


Wow what an awesome ride-I want one also.Love that colour

[AVENGE]

Having not seen a VZ in that colour, I really really like it. I know the VZ sedans got a "limited" run of that Turismo blue and Devil Yellow but havent heard of them in Ignition
The colour looks so different on the Z
Yeah I've spoken to a mate thats a panel beater recently and said the same thing about it looking different to Ignition on the VE's, which he said it prob would be because Holden have always had different batch's of colours etc, so you'll have ones with more gold, more orange, more black and so on. Says its a pain in the arse for them if they don't have the exact batch number etc of the car they're working on.

Here's the Build plate, as old mate can see, def has the R8 stamped on it.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w148/hsvvt83/Photo22-04-1211752PM.jpg

[AVENGE]

The vz utes both holden and hsv got ignition cos the ve sedan was released at the same time hence ignition being available. Fusion was only available on vz hsv's. Ignition was not available on vz sedans
Fusion was available on the VZ Monaros also.

[GR346]

Holden have always had different batch's of colours etc, so you'll have ones with more gold, more orange, more black and so on. Says its a pain in the arse for them if they don't have the exact batch number etc of the car they're working on.

Here's the Build plate, as old mate can see, def has the R8 stamped on it.


Yeah, that makes a lot of sense with the batches. Never really thought about the slight variations
My R8 also has it stamped on the build plate - Hopefully noone buys this other one thinking its genuine...