Whats will it be worth

[josh17]

HI Everyone,

As prices for older vehicles go up, what does everyone think will happen in the future. Old Monaro's, Torana's, GT's, Premier etc now are out of reach for the average bloke. The prices just keep going up. What are the next wave of vehicles do you think will start to increase in value. Does average Joe start to look at VL Calais Turbo, Ford ESP, or newer like a VTII Gen3 VT while they are still reasonable value.

I know the question is quite open. Just throwing it out there.

Josh

[peter b]

if anything cars like that will depreciate further as the price of fuel goes up.

[seedyrom]

Whilst the VT was a stunning new shape at the time. I can't see it being a collectors item for a few more decades... maybe centuries.

It hasn't even become the bogan shopping trolley yet. Though its on its way.

[VXSS346]

Something seems to happen after cars reach about 25 years old. The rare ones just seem to climb in value.

A very vague answer I know, but that seems to be the case from what I've seen.

What is a rare car though? :hmmm:

[Samurai Trader]

mate he value of cars usually follows a simple principal - whatever car was the hot ticket when you are 18 - 21 will be worth heaps when you are in you early fifties.

years ago 55 chevs were getting pretty hot because all the young blokes who had dreamed of owning one their whole life where now making good money, nearing retirement and could through around cash to own one - now there have fallen away in value because these people are getting a bit to older and there prioroties are changing.

the same deal with hq monaros and hardtops - the kids who grew up dreaming of owning one , now have heaps of disposable income and now can afford one ( and dont mind paying through the nose to get one)

next will be vn group a, walkinshaw (both already going spastic) vk's and belive it or not the humble atlas grey vn ss might be worth money in ten years - i know its scary.

and you better believe when im 55 and al loooking to blow the kids inheritance - ill be happily paying massive $$ for an imacculate low k's vx gts or vz gto coupe... F+CK YEAH!

[josh17]

Hey Samurai Trader. I am thinking the same.
I threw this thread out there just to see. I am in 2 minds at the moment. I have a 99 VTII SS. I know it will never be in the league of a collectable. I am unsure if i should sell it. It is just a toy and does not get driven too much. relatively stock, only extractors and exhaust but it does have a genuine 98000k's on it.
Not wanting to open another can of worms - what do people think of the VT.

[charlie15]

im hoping my cv8r appreciates in value.

[Cmycv8]

I had an interesdting conversation when I was at a Monaro event whilst I was standing next to a VZ GTO. I was drooling like a randy teenager in a strip club. The guy who owned it said it's nice but it doesn't have the Monaro badge, I questioned this as I thought the GTO would be a collectors item and he agreed it would be but he kept saying it wasn't a Monaro.

Seems that the Muzz just has the name that people seem to reconise..... even my 60+ yo mother knows what a Monaro is and looks like. I think the VT will be a collectors if it's in orginal condition but still won't have the $$$ collector price.

[ryno]

Not wanting to open another can of worms - what do people think of the VT.

I had a VT but regretted buying it about 5 min after I picked it up. Not sure why, just didn't connect with it from a drivers perspective.

Coming from my VR the VT felt heavy to drive and the rounder commodores have never really taken my fancy.

They were a good unit, just not my cup of tea.

[Hi Octane]

I reckon Au delivered R32 GTR will be a big $$$ item.

[VXSSgen3]

Hey Samurai Trader. I am thinking the same.
I threw this thread out there just to see. I am in 2 minds at the moment. I have a 99 VTII SS. I know it will never be in the league of a collectable. I am unsure if i should sell it. It is just a toy and does not get driven too much. relatively stock, only extractors and exhaust but it does have a genuine 98000k's on it.
Not wanting to open another can of worms - what do people think of the VT.

This car is probably at, or close to, the bottom of it's value scale (especially if kept in immaculate condition and low kays). What realistically is it worth to sell? Maybe 10k on a good day? If it doesn't owe you anything and isn't causing any problems (both mechanically and with the missus!) just keep it. I think these could be worth something in 10-15 years time, as most of them are already looking tatty, will only be a matter of time before you don't see them on the road anymore (when was the last time you saw a VB or VC that was in every day driving condition, 10 to 15 years ago they were common, at least in SA!)

I recently bought the car I've wanted for years-a VS 5liter 5 speed ute, S pac in white, not too many kays, close to standard condition. I believe this car has reached its bottom as long as I keep it in good order and don't modify it too much. To me, the only way can be up for this particular car!

[whitels1ss]

Hey Samurai Trader. I am thinking the same.
I threw this thread out there just to see. I am in 2 minds at the moment. I have a 99 VTII SS. I know it will never be in the league of a collectable. I am unsure if i should sell it. It is just a toy and does not get driven too much. relatively stock, only extractors and exhaust but it does have a genuine 98000k's on it.
Not wanting to open another can of worms - what do people think of the VT.
Just hang on to it mate if you like it and it serves your purpose.
Say...it is worth $8,000 now, what will it be worth in 4 years? ......$5,000????? (JUST AN EXAMPLE.....)
If you went out and paid $25,000 even for a used VE SS or much more for a new SS how much would you expect to drop over the next 4 years?
(I would expect it to be much more than $3,000 in the next 4 years):spew:

[RAWKUS]

The classic muscle car era was reinforced by their track presence. Premiers, Statos, Utes and so forth weren't raced and their comparative value against Monaros, Toranas and even VC-VK Brock Commodores reflects that. We had romantic notions of "one day, I'll have that car" as we saw it cross the line at Bathurst. It's driven by emotion...the fact that they are getting rarer, just adds to the desire factor.
I considered keeping my old VY2 SS wagon....silver, manual, one of only approx 100 made that way. I had to put myself in the future and ask whether this was a good investment. Unfortunately I kept coming back with the answer No. The main reasons being the turning away from Oil as fuel as time goes on and lack of racing pedigree. Rarity alone did not justify it to me and was subsequently sold. Of course I'll kick myself if it turns out to be collectable/valuable but I'm not holding my breath. I reckon my Adventra may be worth more because of the unique drivetrain to a handful of Holden models, including Coupe 4. This is one model I consider at least a reasonable investment if any, that wasn't a track example.

[LS2CALAIS]

Anyone thinking of buying/keeping cars with the intention of making money is dillusional. Buy a car that you can afford to enjoy & maybe you get lucky down the track, otherwise you'll be left with something worth bugger all that you never even got to properly enjoy.

[255-LS1]

Ls2calais is on the money, cars are not an investment!!!!!! About the only latish model car i know that has gone up in recent times is gu patrol 4.2tdi cos nissan stopped making that engine and any desiel 70 series cab chassis utes.

But if you want to play the car investment game, anything with a limited run will have to worth more in the future... Supply and demand. Imo utes and coupes have proven to be more desirable since day dot compared to other body types.

[Angeldust]

I had a VT but regretted buying it about 5 min after I picked it up. Not sure why, just didn't connect with it from a drivers perspective.

Coming from my VR the VT felt heavy to drive and the rounder commodores have never really taken my fancy.

They were a good unit, just not my cup of tea.


funny that, i went the same, but thought the vx ss 100x better then my old VR SS

[Angeldust]

r32 gtr's will be desirable, especially aus delivered ones.

[VXSS346]

Anyone thinking of buying/keeping cars with the intention of making money is delusional. Buy a car that you can afford to enjoy & maybe you get lucky down the track, otherwise you'll be left with something worth bugger all that you never even got to properly enjoy.

Good advice and very true. :goodjob:

However, looking at it the other way, if you're happy with your 12 year old commodore, its well kept, and are willing to fix up things as they get older and have absolutely no interest in a newer car, then you'd be even more stupid to sell it. :idea:

It will be cheaper in the long run too, as mentioned before, due to the bottoming out on resale value.
You don't necessarily make money, but you lose less money. :D

I too am in this category. No desire to sell. Classic car or not, I don't care.

[josh17]

cheers for the advice.
It does not owe me anything, is in top nik, low k's. it just sits there. I now live in a different town and is not needed as a daily driver / toy. I could get better use out of something else ( old 4wd ). I am just worried that if i sell it i will be kicking myself, due it it's condition and having under 100k's on the clock.
AHHHHH

[seedyrom]

Sorry mate, its not a keeper.
"Under 100,000kms" by 2,000 kms. That means you are trying to protect you investment, by not driving it. Don't know what rego is like in WA, but here in NSW, to keep it registered you need a yearly inspection, and CTP .... plus, if it's an investment, you need insurance on it. All that costs bulk dollars each year. Add that to your cost forecasting. Unless you are going to pull rego off it, and have it unregistered, sitting in a garage somewhere. This will then allow it to rot from lack of use. And at the end of the day, it's a VT, with no race heritage.
No one likes hearing the truth when it hurts ... but unless there is something remarkable about the car, it is seriously going to struggle to sell.

You need a good investment *cough*http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?154662-1973-BMW-2002-For-Sale-Sydney-7-000-ono*cough* :lol:

[Marco]

To me it seems like every old Holden model eventually becomes collectible/valuable, it just takes a while. The HQ-Z cars seem to be coming into this sweet spot now (buy a nice one now and profit?) and give it a few years we'll see the same happen to VB-VL Commodores. (Unfortunately it takes about 40 years for this to start happening!)

V8 models etc will always be worth more. Especially if the replacement for the Commodore come 2018 is FWD - then watch the old stuff take off.

[seedyrom]

I think the govt/road bodies/police are doing a fantastic job of ensuring that the next generation wont be interested in cars.

[Drewie]

Good advice and very true. :goodjob:

However, looking at it the other way, if you're happy with your 12 year old commodore, its well kept, and are willing to fix up things as they get older and have absolutely no interest in a newer car, then you'd be even more stupid to sell it. :idea:

It will be cheaper in the long run too, as mentioned before, due to the bottoming out on resale value.
You don't necessarily make money, but you lose less money. :D

I too am in this category. No desire to sell. Classic car or not, I don't care.

Same here, I have had my VX SS from new, 76,000km on the clock and still like new, for what I would get for it I prefer to just keep it. As it gets older you start to see less and less of them.

[super coach]

I love the old cars, as there is that racing heritage or because it was a model that shaped the motor industry in Australia. I currently have two S Paks both in mint showroom condition, thanks to my grandad. A 91VN and a 95 VS, I don’t keep them to make money I keep them cos I truly like them and hope maybe one day they will be loved by all.
In saying that I have the last of the new Generation Monaro’s and hope to get a Series II Monaro as well in the next few weeks. I like how they drive and how they look, I guess most people like the look of them which makes them desirable, but you don’t need the top of the range car of that model to make it a classic or the one everyone wants. Sometimes the ones that are overlooked turn out to be the real stars.
My wish list of cars along with the ones I already own would be 1953 FJ Special Sedan, 1969 HT GTS Monaro, 1970 VF Valiant Hardtop, 1971 LC Torana S.

[RARASV8]

as has been pointed out, EVERY CAR WILL BE COLLECTIBLE if kept long enuff!
around my area alot of the ford boys are cleaning up XA B C Falcons 6 cyl and V8's and a few are doing HQ J X Z's
who would have thought a HQ would be desireable? how many did they make?

Garry

[Jag530G]

r32 gtr's will be desirable, especially aus delivered ones.

Yes, and early WRX's that haven't been abused if there are any that is. Of the more mainstream cars (not Group A's) I would tip VL Calais Turbo or V8 as a standout, unique front, looks good. The Monaro will be but in about 20 years time. I just renewed my insurance on my Monaro 2002 series 1 and Just Cars gave me agreed value of $18,900 and Shannons would only offer $15,000 becasue of the 350,000kms I've done.

Cheers, Matthew

[VYBerlinaV8]

There are 2 separate concepts here: collectibility and value.

An important concept to consider is opportunity cost. Whatever money is sunk into buying and maintaining a car could have been invested. For example, if you bought an immaculate car for $20k, then spent $2k per year for 10 years on servicing, tyres, insurance, rego, petrol, etc, then in that time you have spent $40k. Because of the time value of money, you will have actually spent more like $50k in future dollars, and that doesn't include increases in your holding costs. If you had taken your $20k and invested in a balanced managed shares fund returning 8%, then you added the $2k each year, you would have $75k. So, can you pick a car that costs $20k now that in 10 years will be worth more than $75k? What about if we take a longer time period? Using the same numbers over 20 years instead of 10, your boring old managed fund would be worth $198k. After 25 years it would be worth $307k.

Collecting cars is not a viable investment in my opinion. Collecting cars is about having something you love - just don't do the numbers to see how much it has really cost you!

[josh17]

Everyone has put forward some really good comments.
Stepping aside, foget my original start to this topic. Forget about cars going up in value. forget about invesments.
What does everyone think of the VTII SS.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Everyone has put forward some really good comments.
Stepping aside, foget my original start to this topic. Forget about cars going up in value. forget about invesments.
What does everyone think of the VTII SS.

I think the same of the VT2 SS that I do of every other SS - a great, fun to drive performance sedan at a good price.

[Xjas]

Cars are a bad investment period, if you have a low kays VT SS that is worth (unfortunately) next to nothing but too good to let go of, cancel the rego, strip the car of anything that adds weight but doesnt make it go, turn or stop, add some horespower, slick tyres, brakes and maybe a cage, and turn it into a track day warrior, thrash it till its dead, it will still be worth nothing in the end but you would get a ton of fun out of it that way.

[seedyrom]

What does everyone think of the VTII SS.
Mass produced taxi with a v8 and springs/shocks which aren't stock anymore.

[701let]

Everyone has put forward some really good comments.
Stepping aside, foget my original start to this topic. Forget about cars going up in value. forget about invesments.
What does everyone think of the VTII SS.

Bogan Chariot? Other than that not much? But as others have said who would have thought a HQ would be such a sought after piece of machinery so one day you never know... Answer may be different...

[andrewslr]

Bogan Chariot? Other than that not much? But as others have said who would have thought a HQ would be such a sought after piece of machinery so one day you never know... Answer may be different...

Sorry to single this comment out but isn't this the car that started the whole ls1.com forum?? Why are people so keen to bag out the local product, it just annoys me that the aussie car has so many haters!!!

Car as an investment does not compute. You own it today to enjoy and if you own it long enough it may increase in value. As many have said who would have thought that a HQ Kingswood or an XA Falcon 500 would have "collector value" 40 years on.

And yes, the time value of money means itcosts you more to keep than it really should. That said, how many people "waste" (IMO) $115 per month on FOXTEL or other unnecassary items each year. Just a thought.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

i agree we have a 02 GTO we purchased new still in showroom condition with 58,000km on it have been trying to sell it for 40k , there are plenty of dearer ones on cares guide with more ks
if we kept it for another 10 years we might get 5k more for it but it would have cost 20k to keep it with reg and insurance
not sure about the fuel thing if you got the money to by a classic car fuel is the last thing you will consider as it is not going to be driven very much

[VXSS346]

Sorry to single this comment out but isn't this the car that started the whole ls1.com forum?? Why are people so keen to bag out the local product, it just annoys me that the aussie car has so many haters!!!

True, :yup: a lot here own VE's so a lot of them now seem to think they are more superior than everyone else who still has the old shape, its just the snob factor. (Only some people, not all) Doesn't worry me personally but its there. :(

I could go out and buy a VESS today if I wan't to, but I'm just not interested, they don't do anything for me.

We are all different.

[whitels1ss]

Bogan Chariot? Other than that not much? ...
You call other people "Bogans" and you call yourself "Toilet"????? :stick:
Having the username "Toilet" says plenty about your own self image mate. :jester: :hide:

[Angeldust]

i love the Vt-Vz shape..

[bm_style]

Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Vt's arent old enough to creep up on value yet.

[701let]

Yeah mate its just a username on a public forum and was a bit of fun.. wasnt really trying to get too deep with it.. Should I have BlackLS2R8?? is that better??

He asked for an opinion and I gave it, I never liked them simple as that, wasnt calling anyone a bogan... Obviously you have one, so sorry about that wasnt trying to be a snob or superior because Im not, was just MY OPINION.

[whitels1ss]

Yeah mate its just a username on a public forum and was a bit of fun.. wasnt really trying to get too deep with it.. Should I have BlackLS2R8?? is that better??

He asked for an opinion and I gave it, I never liked them simple as that, wasnt calling anyone a bogan... Obviously you have one, so sorry about that wasnt trying to be a snob or superior because Im not, was just MY OPINION.
:lmao: Yeah, ll cool buddy,
I have a few other cars as well, I hardly ever even drive it, I suppose I could also call myself blueauditt or yellowxr6t or a few other names, but I have an old low km VT genIII SS which I have done some work on and goes okay and it is now not worth getting rid of after owning nearly 6 years.;)12161217

[701let]

:lmao: Yeah, ll cool buddy,
I have a few other cars as well, I hardly ever even drive it, I suppose I could also call myself blueauditt or yellowxr6t or a few other names, but I have an old low km VT genIII SS which I have done some work on and goes okay and it is now not worth getting rid of after owning nearly 6 years.;)12161217

Haha yeah all good dude, looking back at that i probably shouldve worded it better!

[CLUBRED]

When the commodore and falcon are gone I expect that utes will to, so I'd be looking at something like that. And I can't remember the last time I saw a VN SS.

[whitels1ss]

Haha yeah all good dude, looking back at that i probably shouldve worded it better!
Hey we all have fun on here, I just laughed when I saw your username, now tell me,
are you related to the great and famous man Mr Thomas Crapper? :stick: :jester:

http://www.thomas-crapper.com/

[HSV_CRUZN]

When the commodore and falcon are gone I expect that utes will to, so I'd be looking at something like that. And I can't remember the last time I saw a VN SS.

These will go up. Infact some pull more than vt/x ss cars as it is. Along with the early HSV cars. I believe the VR/S 215i cars will have collectablility. I know in my friend group alot of people are ditching vt-ve lsx based cars to go back to the older cars to use as hobby cars

[CLUBRED]

I'd love a VP senator as a weekender.. back in the days when HSV weren't mass produced.

[HSV_CRUZN]

I'd love a VP senator as a weekender.. back in the days when HSV weren't mass produced.

They are a great car. The late 80s/early 90s SS and HSV cars are old enough now to have a bit of personality to them. I always use to be about the newer the better when the power bug first bit but as years go on Im sick of seeing mass produced 'performace cars' like new SS/FPV HSV cars driven by suits in every second parking spot at coles. I much prefer my slower 5ltr Senator over my LS1 Clubsport.....The older Senator gets alot more comments when I have it out and about too

[the big fist]

These will go up. Infact some pull more than vt/x ss cars as it is. Along with the early HSV cars. I believe the VR/S 215i cars will have collectablility. I know in my friend group alot of people are ditching vt-ve lsx based cars to go back to the older cars to use as hobby cars

oh yeah, a vs 215i gts or senator.
I just had a look on carsales, a nice gts for about $16500

[HSV_CRUZN]

oh yeah, a vs 215i gts or senator.
I just had a look on carsales, a nice gts for about $16500
They are an excellent shape. My favourite hsv shape is the vs