Wheel offset for VE

[bonners]

Hey guys looking at some new wheels which are mainly listed for euro cars. As the holden uses a bmw pcd am really keen on them.

My biggest concern as usual is the clearance of hsv brakes.

Below is the sizes and offsets available for the rim. Can someone tell me if these will be ok. The wheel is a sort of concave design.

Front
20x9
5x120 offset 20
5x120 offset 35

Rear
20x10
5x120 offset 25
5x120 offset 40
20x11
5x120 offset 28

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s212/ZC_74/KGrHqJHJDE7y-RZ9dZBPDODDmw160_35.jpg

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s212/ZC_74/KGrHqFqsEoVyuLSMBQE7Vo8qQ60_35.jpg

[Tre-Cool]

none of those will work for the rear. need atleast p48 i believe.

[bonners]

Bugger....

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[jaykay]

Adam my fronts are 40 and rears are 50 offset. I have a 3mm spacer on the front to clear my caliper and the rear has a fair gap...

[brasher]

Been fed some boloni here Bonners lol

I've fitted 19 x 9.5 +24 with a 4mm spacer effectively making +20 to a VE rear. Sat exactly flush with the guard, and missed the inner lip by a bees dick.

Admittedly, the tyres were 245's with a fair amount of stretch and a touch of neg camber, once the bumper bracket is ground down you can fit some flushness :)

For a 10 inch rear, most aggressive I would go is +35 with a 255, will definately need a roll job and relocation of the bumper bracket.

I am purchasing soon 20 x 10 Vertini Monaco's soon in a +38 rear offset, I'm confident I can have them running with nil issues and retain the ability to carry loads in the ute.

As for the fronts, you can run M3 offsets no problem, all the issues are in the rear. I've seen 8.5 +20 used no problem.

Check out www.willtheyfit.com and plug in the specs, it will give a good indication of what will work in a visible way.

Also hit up Jai on here, I think his BBS CH Blacks were 10.5 +24 rears, where there is a will (or a hammer) there is a way ;)

[ultrablue]

i think it more the design of the spokes that cause the problem with big brakes not the offset

im running 20x9 et 40 all round the difference to a 20x10 et 40 is 13 mm more towards the guard and a 20x11 et 28 would be 37mm which would be way outside the guard and a 20x10 et25 is 28 mm more towards the guard.
the 20x9 et35 is 5mm towards the guard and would be close to being flush

[1HDT 05]

Been fed some boloni here Bonners lol

I've fitted 19 x 9.5 +24 with a 4mm spacer effectively making +20 to a VE rear. Sat exactly flush with the guard, and missed the inner lip by a bees dick.

Admittedly, the tyres were 245's with a fair amount of stretch and a touch of neg camber, once the bumper bracket is ground down you can fit some flushness :)

For a 10 inch rear, most aggressive I would go is +35 with a 255, will definately need a roll job and relocation of the bumper

Im running 19x11 et30 using a 10 mm spacer. As stated its the curvature of the rim spoke design that is crucial to brake clearance.

[brasher]

Im running 19x11 et30 using a 10 mm spacer. As stated its the curvature of the rim spoke design that is crucial to brake clearance.

wow, braver man than I am! How much work went into getting that to fit? You cut away the inner guard at all? I couldn't bring myself to do that.

Any pics?

[1HDT 05]

A little modification!!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/th_photo1.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/?action=view&current=photo1.jpg)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/th_photo2.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/?action=view&current=photo2.jpg)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/th_photo3.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/?action=view&current=photo3.jpg)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/th_photo4.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/flared/?action=view&current=photo4.jpg)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/clubby/th_P1020326.jpg (http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x96/wce_2007/clubby/?action=view&current=P1020326.jpg)

[brasher]

lol, yeah not exactly a job for a sunday arvo. Looks awesome though.

[VYSHSV8]

Wonder if you can get those rims in 18x11 or 18x12


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[jai]

Adam 10.5 in +24 with a 255 tyre is beyond the limits of what will fit without buckling guards. If you want some mad dog wheels that Are 10.5 or bigger with crazy offset my advice is hit up Spohn for shortened control arms, drill out the upper arm and get GeForce custom length axels and you can move the hub in 10-25mm for more room. With my rims I have close to 40mm gap between inside of rim and the chassis.


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[bonners]

thanks mate

All I want is 10" wide rims for the rear that are 10 spoke concave like the ADV10's. Do you think I can find a cheap set. NO! Little bit of choice if you go forged etc or actual ADV but I don't want to spend that sort of money. Id even consider 19's to get it right.

[brasher]

bonners, talk to these guys, I was in talks with them to sponsor my ute with some wheels but bought others instead

http://www.forge-wheels.com/wheels.html

[bonners]

Thanks mate but I expect they are still a $5000 set of rims

[brasher]

nope, I think you will be surprised :)

Ask them for a quote, I was told 3500 but ended up going with the works.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

looks AWESOME
what is the off set for ve HSV ??

[bonners]

This offset confuses me...lol
How about
20x9 front
20x10.5 rear
Bolt Pattern: 5 x 120
Offset: 20mm front and 27mm rear

Or

20x8.5 front
20x10 rear
Bolt Pattern: 5 x 120
Center Bore: 72.56mm (Hub Centric to Vehicle)
Offset: 35mm front and 38mm rear

Both are concave type rims

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[jai]

20x10.5+27 isn't going to be guard friendly Adam, that's only 3mm more inwards than mine... And that's beyond VE limits without cutting and welding.


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[1HDT 05]

Had the same issue when I bought my custom wheels, trying to figure out the correct offset drove me nuts. In the end I went for +30 at the rears only to find that the rims wouldn't clear the brakes due to the curvature of the rims. Ended up having to use a 10mm spacer. If an effective plus 20 worked out for my 11 inch rears I reckon you would be okay with +27 on a 10.5. Only thing is I have no idea how your going to fit them under your guards, the offset means you won't rub on the inside but on the outside you've got no chance.

[bonners]

Why are all the wheels I like having shit offsets.

What about the second set of numbers

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[jai]

The 10" rears on 38mm aren't going to be concave as much.

Honestly go mad dog get 20x12 with sub 20 offset and pull the hub in with some custom arms and shafts. Totally amaze Everyone :) shafts are pricey but all the arms needed are cheap. Spohn quoted me only an extra $100 per set to do custom length.


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[bonners]

God even more confusion.....lol

Ok let's put it this way.

My guards are rolled. I want to use a 275 tyre and 10" rim on the rear, I want concave and they must clear hsv brakes. What is the best 'range' of offset. Ie best at offset 'x' but will work at 'y'

Thanks guys

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[Dreamer]

The more Positive offset you go, the less concave the rim is

Eg: a 20x10 with +20 will look alot more concave than a 20x10 +40...most concave set-ups you see are in the +20 range as you start to lose the concave effect when you go up in offset

If you know your current offset, use http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp to work out how the rims will sit and measure your clearances....then Email the supply of your chosen wheels and ask for a template to test for brake clearance/supply them with your brake measurements to check for clearance...If you spending 3k on rims they should be able to help you out with fitment

[ultrablue]

the 20x10 et 38 will stick out past the guard a 20x10 et43 would be flush with the guard and a 20x9.5 et36 would be flush

[ricklloyd]

9.5/20 with 40 offset and 275 tyres and if you have people in the back on a bumpy road just catch
http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss212/ricklloyd/20052012305.jpg

[bonners]

thanks guys

It appears that my current wheels are a 35 front and 40 in the rear. 20x8.5 and 20x10. The fronts have been fine but when I had my last car really low on coilovers, it still scrubbed even with the guards rolled and nobody in the car. Now, the new HSV is no where near as low, and they used to scrub a little on bumps etc but now they have been rolled I have only had a couple of scrapes on high speed dips into corners etc...

So what I'm reading is that if I get a 35-40 in the rear size if a 10" and the fronts are reasonably flexible.

[CalaisBoy]

You are going well with 40 on the rear. My story has an interesting twist - I reckon (without any real knowledge of suspension systems) that the soft mountings wear over time and rubbing gets worse.

My rears are 20x10 with ET51 offset. Tyres are 275.

When I got the car it was lowered on stock shocks. Very bouncy. Springs were unknown brand but about equal to SSL in height. Only used to rub at either full boot load or 5 people on very undulating country roads. As it reached about 50,000 km rubbing became much much worse. So I had the suspension done properly with Kings and Koni's and guards rolled.

Now the car is up to 130,000km including lots of country km and there is no problem and seems to be plenty of room.

Anyway, the point of my ramble is that after my own experience, I am amazed you guys can get away with ET 35 or 40 without using a thinner tyre! From my own research, the USA G8 boys also seem to think 42 - 45 is about the limit without other mods.

[brasher]

I think you are wanting all the cake and eating it too with this one Bonners.

Like Jai Said, unless you go full retard with custom shafts and inboard hubs you simply wont get the "look" that you get on a M3 or other cars with aggressive fitment without major work. Holden designed a car with the biggest fattest guards in the known universe yet you cant fill them without hitting brackets, ripping the guard to shreds or fouling brakes. It's a real shame because the VE has the ability to look amazing with the correct fitment.

Don't bother searching for wheels in Aus designed for commodore, the offsets (and designs) for that matter are all rubbish, search for BMW wheels in m3 suitable offsets and do the math from there, unfortunately a concave designed rim at an offset any more the +30 is gonna look pretty gay. Just how it is.

You know how these guys fit their wheel setups? shitloads of camber and tyres that are dangerously too narrow for the wheel. You get that look, but the car rides and handles like a billycart, and you go through a set of tyres every 3rd week. Trust me... I've been there. It sucks.

[bonners]

Lol... brasher

Looks like I'll stick with my current wheels then. Unless I find something perfect

They are a decent concave on the rear.

Thanks for all the input

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[jai]

I did over 20k Kms on my el cheapo tyres on the back with maximum factory neg camber and still have plenty of meat on them. Well mostly... Poor new owner http://img.tapatalk.com/95879317-8afb-1dae.jpg

. But you get the idea of how much tread I had left so its a pretty good innings for Achilles !


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[bonners]

So finally think I found rims to work. But you guys will probably still tell me no...lol

20x8.5 35 offset
20x10 35 offset

Concave wheels.

Also, when changing rims, is it acceptable to expect the TPMS sensors to be removed and put in the new wheels with no problems

[jai]

What size tyre are you going to run? Might be ok with 265 but I'd imagine a 295 would be a bit too big - guard contact! :)

[bonners]

Sticking with the 275.

[jaykay]

Adam occassionally the valve stems may become faulty upon removal and you may need to replace one or more. You won't know until they do the changeover and then you won't have a replacement. So I bought two just in case and one of mine needed replacing when I did my changeover.

Cheap enough here ...http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-HSV-VE-VE2-WM-Tyre-Pressure-Valve-Stems-4-PACK-/150880312626?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item23212add32

JK

[brasher]

Bonners, that will 100% work with 255's and a roll, possibly 265's depending on the brand. Seen that same setup with my own eyes. Bumper bracket had to be ground down the smallest bit, not relocated. Sat pretty close to flush, maybe 4mm from the edge.

what wheels out of interest?

[bonners]

Ive just been told by a reputable dealer that a 35 offset will possibly stick outside the guard. I was told it would be an agressive fit

Its a wheel that looks like a ADV10, brasher

[brasher]

wheel shops are conservative and gay.

Do the maths.

willtheyfit.com

Nice, good choice.

[bonners]

thanks mate. But Im not 100% sure what the original offset was on my wheels. I told them what i had and what I wanted and they sent me the wheels. I have been since told they are 40 offset. As Ive said before, the gurard are rolled and I use a 275 tyre and there is no rubbing (or nearly none - none on day to day driving). The wheels I have stick like this. And this was before guards were rolled.
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s212/ZC_74/White%20Clubsport/DSC_0073.jpg

So are we saying with a 35 that it simply will stick out a little further perhaps meaning a slightly more agressive rolling of guards. Or if I go a smaller tyre like a 255 or 265 it shoould be ok. What is the ratio for those sizes. ie 35 is the 8.5" size and 30 is for a 10"

[brasher]

Standard VE HSV is 20x9.5 +55 or 58 off the top of my head.

you will shit in 20 x 10 +35, Exhibit A....

Breyton Race GT +35 10 inch

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu189/DHmotorsports08/l_6f0ae4611de248df88bba96d18be7a09.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu189/DHmotorsports08/MCC_2600.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7556/img0140n.jpg

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6738/img0143ns.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1122/img0145bgm.jpg

Breyton GTS 10 inch rear +35

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/car/private/cp5100417840890962609.jpg

http://www.yhi.com.au/image.php/700404111413464d99457af20d8.jpg?id=70&width=788&height=591&image=/images/members/mywheels/70/700404111413464d99457af20d8.jpg

http://www.yhi.com.au/image.php/700630110921394e0bb383050d7.jpg?id=70&width=788&height=591&image=/images/members/mywheels/70/700630110921394e0bb383050d7.jpg

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo206/TechKnow_nd/Photo0237.jpg

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo206/TechKnow_nd/Photo0242.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh176/itsfast/2009%20G8%20GT/G803-20-107.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh176/itsfast/2009%20G8%20GT/Wheeloffset.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v478/dropit/Photography/DSC_3488.jpg

KMC Rockstar
20x8.5 +42 245/35/ZR20 Front
20x10 +35 275/30/ZR20 Rear

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/Rican219/2008%20G8/13.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/Rican219/2008%20G8/7.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m170/Rican219/2008%20G8/2.jpg


Linea Corse Z20 9.5 +34

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7311/morris2jpg.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9741/morris10jpg.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8697/morris3jpg.jpg


As you can tell, I've researched the shit out of this over the years lol.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

do you think these will fit on the rear of ve malloo 20 x10 with 42 of set with 275 tyre
http://www.carid.com/giovanna-wheels/dalar-5-black-347512.html

[bonners]

Thanks heaps brasher. Good man.

I had considered the Breyten before and I once considered the Rockstars. But know too many with them on now.

The ones I want are these

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s212/ZC_74/529024_409887145735283_80941761_n.jpg

[brasher]

Holy shit, they are fkn hot!

Good choice mate!

[CalaisBoy]

Brasher, are you saying that all those 10" rear wheels with +35 and +34 fit with a 275x35 tyre and only mod is simple guard roll? Or did they need the rear seam/join between fender and bumper modified as well?

[brasher]

Brasher, are you saying that all those 10" rear wheels with +35 and +34 fit with a 275x35 tyre and only mod is simple guard roll? Or did they need the rear seam/join between fender and bumper modified as well?

Not with 275's, would be causing a few headaches. You need a small amount of stretch not to snag it I've found.

[CalaisBoy]

Aha - yeah thought it would be a problem with 275's.

So a good question is - what offset is OK if lowered with the "normal" 275 Tyres and simple guard rolling? Ie no camber adjustment or more expensive/difficult mods.

[brasher]

On a 10 inch rim? Around +40 to be safe. Like I said before, really depends on the tyre, some 275's are wider, some narrower.

[bonners]

Well my wheels are sorted. Look out for mine for sale in classifides if interested.

Thanks for your help brasher

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[jaykay]

Adam I have 285 FK452 Falkens on my GTS as their 275's are narrower than say Kuhmo or Bridgestones. I reckon I could have gone 295's if Falken made that size...

[DioXidE]

Dont be a girl Adam, I run 19x10 all round +24

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/404080_10151267562500312_950667249_n.jpg

[bonners]

I'd be interested to know if you ran that on a day in day out daily me mate. I'm going a 38. Wheels shipping tomorrow

[DioXidE]

yeah run it like that all the time!

:)

[bonners]

I know you do....

The wheels I've bought are a 38. We'll see how that goes

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[brasher]

well, inspired by this thread, I may have purchased something absolutely retarded and may either look amazing or a big waste of $$ lol.

I will keep my works, but will need to sell a set of genuine E1 GTS rims to make room, so for anyone interested, let me know or keep an eye in the FS section.

How is the fitment with the new wheels Bonners? They look awesome.

[bonners]

Fitment is fine all round. No probs on the years. My only concern or desire is to put 10's on the front. I'm going to check clearance tonight

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[brasher]

Jai, clear some PM's please mate, interested in your opinions.

19 x 8.5 +28 front
19 x 9.5 +30 rear

245's front and rear.

[bonners]

He's on hols I believe mate.

[Green Grenade]

There are some great wheels there but most of them are on black,white or grey cars.
I've got a set of Supersports in 20" which I'm thinking about having powder coated or painted to go on my Poison Ivy ute.
Black mags seem to be a good contrast to the lighter colours - any ideas would be appreciated.

Cheers
John

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

There are some great wheels there but most of them are on black,white or grey cars.
I've got a set of Supersports in 20" which I'm thinking about having powder coated or painted to go on my Poison Ivy ute.
Black mags seem to be a good contrast to the lighter colours - any ideas would be appreciated.

Cheers
John
hard to beat the 20" super sport as they are on dark green
theres is one up here looks mint with sports ,and one with black something or others look like it has no wheels when its driving along

[brasher]

these bad boys on monday

ADV.1 5.1
19 x 8.5 +28
19 x 9.5 +30

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/530014_4052616346510_1450093571_n.jpg

[bonners]

Very nice mate

[kayman]

Fitted yet. How'd you go? Spaces?


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[brasher]

monday mate, gonna have to do some bumper bracket relocating on the weekend in preparation.

Thinking of running 235/35 Nitto Invo's all round and some neg camber. Should just scrape in.

[brasher]

Wheels went on today

so for reference, on a VE series 2, no need to roll the front guards, they are already done!

8.5 +28 front, heaps of room, could probably go a +23 on a 245, I'm thinking of running a 5mm spacer now.

Rears, all I did was get the guards rolled (very well I may add, can reccomend http://www.phillbenterprises.com/) and with a dremel trimmed the rear bumper bracket tap so it was flush with the screw.

9.5 +30 on falken azensis 245/35's fitted like a glove, no rubbing at all.

So looks like you can have your cake and eat it too with a good guard roll and a slight tyre stretch. Remembering that tyre manufacturers differ in their widths somewhat.

Need to lower a bit more, and it will camber in some more, but you get the idea.

http://i.imgur.com/sRq0J.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uEFAj.jpg

[bonners]

Very nice mate.

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[DCV1NU]

The adv's look mint brasher! Wouldnt mind a set for my clubby...but gotta wait awhile as theyre pretty exxy:eek:

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[kayman]

Looks awesome.

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[brasher]

thanks dudes, once it's lowered down about 20-30mm in the front and 20mm in the rear should look great. I'm wrapped with how it came out.

So for anyone wondering, so for those who come across this thread when doing research I'd say this.

With Guards rolled.

8.5 +25mm on 245's will shit it in, you could even go +20 or +18 which are common BMW offsets

9.5 I reckon you could run up to +24 or 25 on a 245 and still not scrub with the right mods done. I wish I did this now for more concave.

245's on a 9.5 inch rim is barely any stretch, I mean your rims lips are still exposed but it doesn't look dangerous or would be anything the police would get you for. Load rating on the other hand......

[54VVA]

Hey guys.

Just made my way through the whole thread and love the look of the ute with the adv.1 rims. The he's look so much better with rims that's full out the guards.
I want to run 19 x 9.5 offset 30 all round. And I was wondering what would need to be done to fit these to a ve ute series 2. And what tyre's should I run? I'm thinking of running 245/45R19.

[brasher]

Hey guys.

Just made my way through the whole thread and love the look of the ute with the adv.1 rims. The he's look so much better with rims that's full out the guards.
I want to run 19 x 9.5 offset 30 all round. And I was wondering what would need to be done to fit these to a ve ute series 2. And what tyre's should I run? I'm thinking of running 245/45R19.

Would be super agressive on the front and I will say will not work unless 225/235's and camber. Rear is no problem with a guard roll and dremel the Bumper tab. You could run 9.5 +25 if you really wanted to push the limits but not daily driver friendly.

Front guards are pre rolled.

Run 245/35/19's.

[54VVA]

my ute is my daily so i don't really want to push the limits too much and i also tow a trailer with 3 dirt bikes or have 1 dirt bike in the tray. so i can't have to much poke
atm its just a thought as i don't really want to do a great deal of work to get these rims to fit (rear roll and bumper tab is minimill).

from the thread i can see your running 19 x 8.5 offset 28 upfront, is 19 x 9.5 30 offset, much of a difference? and wouldn't running a 245/35R19 make your speedo be out? also would running that tyre with a slight stretch affect the load rating?

[brasher]

I drive my ute 600km a week, carry dirtbikes most weekends, nil issues. Speedo is out a tiny bit but you play you pay so to speak.

Here is a visual representation of what you are trying to do.

so as you can see, that's another 10.7mm more poke than my setup, up to you.... but that's a lot.

http://i.imgur.com/JaJR3pF.jpg

[Bad6lt]

Hey Guy's I run 19x9.5 with 37 0ffset with 275 x 35R x 19 Rear. Front 19x8.5 with 245x40rx19 and 32 offset. have to roll rear guards.
Also pedders adjustable coil overs.

[54VVA]

Thanks for the replies guys. I will take some measurements on the weekend and call some shops.
Was planning on buying these, but they might take to much work to fit upfront.
http://www.varrstoen.com.au/shop/2-2-2-wheels/2-2-2-wheels-rims

[SS_Brenny]

I was watching a set on ebay (from the Varrstoen store) which were 19x8.5 +30 19x9.5 +40 (5 x 120).

I sent them and email but never heard anything back. Maybe give them a call and see if they can sort something out.

[SS_Brenny]

I was watching a set on ebay (from the Varrstoen store) which were 19x8.5 +30 19x9.5 +40 (5 x 120).

I sent them and email but never heard anything back. Maybe give them a call and see if they can sort something out.

[brasher]

Thanks for the replies guys. I will take some measurements on the weekend and call some shops.
Was planning on buying these, but they might take to much work to fit upfront.
http://www.varrstoen.com.au/shop/2-2-2-wheels/2-2-2-wheels-rims

They do a 8.5/9.5 staggered setup that will clear Redline Brembo's, a mate got them for his ute not long ago. The front brake clearance is too close for my liking, at a guess it's about 2, maybe 3mm. Just don't be gay and put Volk stickers on them :)

[54VVA]

yep they are sh*t with communication. i have tried to connect them a number of times but no reply. and there doesn't seem to be a contact number anywhere.
nope, volk stickers will not be going on these rims. the plan is to try and get them in bronze, which i think will look awesome with the holden voodoo blue :)

[54VVA]

yep they are sh*t with communication. i have tried to connect them a number of times but no reply. and there doesn't seem to be a contact number anywhere.
nope, volk stickers will not be going on these rims. the plan is to try and get them in bronze, which i think will look awesome with the holden voodoo blue :)

[54VVA]

yep they are sh*t with communication. i have tried to connect them a number of times with no reply. and there doesn't seem to be a contact number anywhere.
nope, volk stickers will not be going on them. the plan is to try and get them in bronze, which i think will look awesome with the holden voodoo blue :)

[54VVA]

ahh, phone posting a number of times....

[Daav]

They do a 8.5/9.5 staggered setup that will clear Redline Brembo's, a mate got them for his ute not long ago. The front brake clearance is too close for my liking, at a guess it's about 2, maybe 3mm. Just don't be gay and put Volk stickers on them :)

Hi, Do you you know what offset these where? I have a set of varrstoen ES2 19x9.5 +22 all round and am looking to do the redline brembo upgrade. I am not sure on clearance though.
Any body running these wheels and clear brembo's?

cheers

[Wonky]

Looking at them I'd doubt it given the spokes angle in to the centre although being 22s will help.

[Daav]

that's what I was thinking. However I have seen a few with the HSV/AP brakes but no Redline/Brembo brakes.

[A PSYCHO]

Is the VF the same as the VE? Looking for rims for my VF redline ute, have no idea what will actually clear the brakes/ fit flush.

[Daav]

The VF is the same - Redline brembo. From what I've seen anything with a dish won't clear unless specified by the manufacturer. HSV AP racing brakes seem to be thinner and will fit a few more wheels.

[Wonky]

I put front Redlines on my SSV ute with v2 of the DTM Shine 20" rims which were specifically redesigned to fit Redline brakes. They only cleared by a mm or less, but barely different to the proper Redline rims which a mate with a Redline still had on his.

The DTM Shines have a reasonable dish on the front and huge dish on the rear. No way they'd take big brakes on the rear.

I'll dig out a pic when I get home.

[Wonky]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/SSV%20Ute/SSVute76Aug162014Brembossm_zpsf4c7d42a.jpg (http://s122.photobucket.com/user/gcovo/media/SSV%20Ute/SSVute76Aug162014Brembossm_zpsf4c7d42a.jpg.html)

[A PSYCHO]

I love the look of these wheels, but im tipping they wont clear the Brembo's.

http://vossenwheels.com/Gallery/FileUpload/Gallery/Holden_SSV_CV5_b16.jpg?width=1600&quality=75

[Wonky]

I reckon they will - no dish and the spokes don't curve in much initially. All comes down to available offsets but if my DTM Shines cleared Brembos even with dish, those should.

[sjhugh]

I reckon they will - no dish and the spokes don't curve in much initially. All comes down to available offsets but if my DTM Shines cleared Brembos even with dish, those should.

Agreed, they'd have no trouble at all.

Also that photo is taken from the gallery on the Vossen website, a quick enquiry to them should confirm the fitment.

[Wonky]

Agreed, they'd have no trouble at all.

Also that photo is taken from the gallery on the Vossen website, a quick enquiry to them should confirm the fitment.

In fact, I reckon it's already got Brembos on the front, now I'm viewing on my pc and not phone. Or is A PSYCHO meaning front and rear Brembos? I reckon the rears should clear as well! :yup:

[sjhugh]

In fact, I reckon it's already got Brembos on the front, now I'm viewing on my pc and not phone. Or is A PSYCHO meaning front and rear Brembos? I reckon the rears should clear as well! :yup:

I thought so too as the calliper looks the right colour, I originally said it in my post then deleted it as I just couldn't see it close enough to be 100% sure.

That's why I checked the Vossen site but they don't have a side on shot.

[rodders188]

old thread but rather than start new, I have ordered these wheels Lorenzo WL036, now they are going on VE SS, Size is 20x10 20x8,5 + 35 offset I think or may be drilled , my SS has Brembo Front Brakes and VE HSV RED Brakes, now the online shop I have bought from have insisted they will fit no problems, but then I see the same wheel onanother online shop, and they say wont clear brakes, now im abit worried because theyre being freighted over east, do shops have the machining to pre set the offset ect?
http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y458/rodmaloo/imagesJIAQNKGV_zpsko0kieyf.jpg (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/rodmaloo/media/imagesJIAQNKGV_zpsko0kieyf.jpg.html)

[duke5700]

The spoke design may save them. A normal VE is 36+ isn't it anyway? The rears are +56 on a HSV.

The wheels will come as is, the wheel shop won't be machining anything.

[rodders188]

The spoke design may save them. A normal VE is 36+ isn't it anyway? The rears are +56 on a HSV.

The wheels will come as is, the wheel shop won't be machining anything.

Im praying that the online mag n tyre shop is correct in saying will clear 100 percent, I though a lot of wheel clearance over brakes is the spoke design not so much offset.

[rodders188]

Am ordering Koya SF06 for my VE SS, the sizes are 19x10.5 and 19x8.5 , for the rears to be flush with guard , a 38+ offset work,

[mitchy_]

Am ordering Koya SF06 for my VE SS, the sizes are 19x10.5 and 19x8.5 , for the rears to be flush with guard , a 38+ offset work,

10.5 +38 will probably stick out a couple of millimetres. what size tyre do you intend on running? you're probably limited to a 265.

[rodders188]

10.5 +38 will probably stick out a couple of millimetres. what size tyre do you intend on running? you're probably limited to a 265.

Ive got a 20x10 +40 on the car now, its 275 /30 20 , zero issues and guards are rolled. will be 275/35 19 , on the koya , I better call Monday as to confirm offset, cant have thenm sticking out of guard,

[Jason01]

Add 8mm to the front rim edge of your current 20X10, hold a straight edge up and see where that sits in relation to the guard, that should give you a pretty good clue of where the 10.5 +38 will end up.

[mitchy_]

Ive got a 20x10 +40 on the car now, its 275 /30 20 , zero issues and guards are rolled. will be 275/35 19 , on the koya , I better call Monday as to confirm offset, cant have thenm sticking out of guard,


Add 8mm to the front rim edge of your current 20X10, hold a straight edge up and see where that sits in relation to the guard, that should give you a pretty good clue of where the 10.5 +38 will end up.

as Jason said, the wheel will be 8mm further out. this website is great for comparing wheel/tyre sizes.

http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.php?width=275&aspect=30&diameter=20&wheelwidth=10&offset=40&width2=275&aspect2=35&wheel_size=19&wheel_width=10-5&offset2=38#isPage=2

[rodders188]

Yes 100 percent correct, rung both koya and the wheel shop, said with same camber adjustment the wheel will sit flush with the guard , only other thing is the hub thread will need cutting to allow wheel cap fitment. Saying that they have said sleep on my choice tonite and can adjust my order to 19x9.5 rears instead which is a safe bet but wont have as much concave.

[YellowDevil]

I been reading this thread a few times now that I got a VE (Calais wagon S2) thought I would post my clearance related issues.

Does any one know what tyres you can stretch front and back with out setting off the ABS stuff based on my current setup.

I currently have,

20x10 +40 Rear rapped in 275/30/20 & 20x9 +35 Front in 245/35/20

Fenders rolled and bumper bracket relocated, Fronts are good but rear I get some scrubs when fully loaded with people in the back as its a tight fit, hoping to stretch a smaller tyre on the back to clear it up.

20x10 with 275 does need a bit of work if your going low, pics below, most likely they only reason why i getting some scrub as the rear bumper part just isn't wide enough :D

Fitment pics

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a23t8jn7wt8lrhk/AAB5VavcS3ua4DXwRR6I0yWxa?dl=0

[mitchy_]

you can go to a 255/35R20 which is about 2% larger, or a 265/30R20 which is about 0.9% smaller. both wont cause wheel speed issues and i dare say your speedo will be fine (both my VE's read under by a good 5-6%)

[rodders188]

Had 19x10.5 put on last week,with 8.5 fronts, the rear does poke out, as mentioned earlier +6mm , not that noticeable but enough to look over my shoulder at the lights for cops
The wheels themselves are very very light, compared to the 20's that were on the car, it really has woken up the throttle response down low and mid range, it wont take much to light up!!
Looks wise, 20's would look better. Performance wise 19's for the win. Will be ordering 19x9.5 for the rears, nit taking any changes with the cops
http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y458/rodmaloo/FullSizeRender%201_zps874sfttk.jpg (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/rodmaloo/media/FullSizeRender%201_zps874sfttk.jpg.html)

[YellowDevil]

you can go to a 255/35R20 which is about 2% larger, or a 265/30R20 which is about 0.9% smaller. both wont cause wheel speed issues and i dare say your speedo will be fine (both my VE's read under by a good 5-6%)

Thanks mate.

So what actually sets off the ABS error ? I am not getting it now but I just want to understand how it works so I know what my working range would be.

[mitchy_]

Thanks mate.

So what actually sets off the ABS error ? I am not getting it now but I just want to understand how it works so I know what my working range would be.

Difference in wheel speed I assume. Different sizes tyres are going to travel a different number of rotations for a given distance. Ideally you want them as close as possible, but I'm not sure of the percentage margin required to set of the sensors.

[YellowDevil]

Difference in wheel speed I assume. Different sizes tyres are going to travel a different number of rotations for a given distance. Ideally you want them as close as possible, but I'm not sure of the percentage margin required to set of the sensors.

Thanks again, yeah I will have to do some more digging. I think the 245/35/20 from the front will be sweet for the back, but i also want to match the stretch on the front so trying to figure out what I can buy that wont trip the ABS, other wise it will look strange.

[mitchy_]

Thanks again, yeah I will have to do some more digging. I think the 245/35/20 from the front will be sweet for the back, but i also want to match the stretch on the front so trying to figure out what I can buy that wont trip the ABS, other wise it will look strange.

To get a similar stretch on the 10" as the 9", you'll need an inch wider tyre. So the 275 will be a touch wider and the 265 a touch narrower.

245 on a 10" will have quite a bit of stretch... I've got 255/35R20's on the front of mine with 20x10", I'll get a picture of the stretch for you this evening.

[YellowDevil]

To get a similar stretch on the 10" as the 9", you'll need an inch wider tyre. So the 275 will be a touch wider and the 265 a touch narrower.

245 on a 10" will have quite a bit of stretch... I've got 255/35R20's on the front of mine with 20x10", I'll get a picture of the stretch for you this evening.

Awesome sounds good keen to see

[BLACK 346]

245 on a 10" will have quite a bit of stretch

Not to mention illegal, no traction and will void your insurance if you ever need it.

[YellowDevil]

Not to mention illegal, no traction and will void your insurance if you ever need it.


sounds perfect.

[Micks]

245 on a 10" will have quite a bit of stretch

Also defeats the purpose of having a 10" rim ;)

[BLACK 346]

sounds perfect.

Sounds retarded actually lol

Edit: I reckon you will have to fit the tyres yourself as well, no tyre dealer will do it.

[mitchy_]

Awesome sounds good keen to see

This is a 255/35R20 on a 20x10" rim.

Keep in mind some tyres are narrower/wider than others.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161115/37091bef16bc162c888950333d79fcb2.jpg

[sjhugh]

This is a 255/35R20 on a 20x10" rim.

Keep in mind some tyres are narrower/wider than others.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161115/37091bef16bc162c888950333d79fcb2.jpg

I’d never do that with a front tyre.

Just hitting a pothole could easily break the seal and for me it would be an unacceptable risk that the tyre could roll off the rim whilst turning in hard on a bend.

Definitely no way would I allow my children or family in a car shod like that.

[mitchy_]

I’d never do that with a front tyre.

Just hitting a pothole could easily break the seal and for me it would be an unacceptable risk that the tyre could roll off the rim whilst turning in hard on a bend.

Definitely no way would I allow my children or family in a car shod like that.

The tyre is fitted to a rim in the acceptable range as per the manufacturer.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161115/6f51e537c1a50a0bad6dc74aa1cc029a.png

[sjhugh]

Stretching the bare minimum width tyre on a front rim of a car still doesn’t convince me.

You’ve taken the load bearing wall and laid it on a much bigger angle adding stress to the tyre, that may be fine for the rear but I’d never trust it on the front when cornering and particularly on non-perfect road surfaces.

Each to their own I guess as this is a no win argument.

[whitels1ss]

I’d never do that with a front tyre.

Just hitting a pothole could easily break the seal and for me it would be an unacceptable risk that the tyre could roll off the rim whilst turning in hard on a bend.

Definitely no way would I allow my children or family in a car shod like that.

Yeah, that looks dangerous!

(& rather silly but the camera angle might have something to do with the way it looks.)

[mitchy_]

Yeah, that looks dangerous!

(& rather silly but the camera angle might have something to do with the way it looks.)

The rim lip protector on the tyre emphasises it more. Keep in mind a 10" rim is 254mm wide between the beads... so a 255mm tyre is hardly stretched in a dangerous manner.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161116/143e0de0a64ae4a78c2c0e04ba7ebd20.jpg

[whitels1ss]

The rim lip protector on the tyre emphasises it more. Keep in mind a 10" rim is 254mm wide between the beads... so a 255mm tyre is hardly stretched in a dangerous manner.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161116/143e0de0a64ae4a78c2c0e04ba7ebd20.jpg

Sorry but I don't like the look of that at all buddy. :nono:

That looks dangerous IMHO

[mitchy_]

Sorry but I don't like the look of that at all buddy. :nono:

That looks dangerous IMHO

Can't win them all. Manufacturer says it's ok, my insurance is valid so I'm happy.

[sjhugh]

Can't win them all. Manufacturer says it's ok, my insurance is valid so I'm happy.


The manufacturer may say their tyre can fit that rim but the law would most likely say the setup fails in other areas and for that reason so could the insurer.




You can’t increase the wheel track by more than 25mm.
If you shorten the axle assembly to achieve that you require engineering certification.


The rim width cannot be increased in width by more than 26mm over the maximum option specified by the manufacturer.
That would be the HSV GTS with a front rim size of 20 x 8.5
The largest allowed on the front is therefore 20 x 9.52
If the rims exceed the width limits an engineering certificate is required.


Both the above engineering certifications will be noted on the vehicle's registration.


Both the rim and tyre must be fully contained within the body work or mudguards (including any flares) when the wheels are in the straight ahead position.



I wouldn’t want to kill anyone with that combo on the car then try my luck in court and given the way it stands out it would not go in-noticed in the case of an accident.

[mitchy_]

The manufacturer may say their tyre can fit that rim but the law would most likely say the setup fails in other areas and for that reason so could the insurer.







I wouldn’t want to kill anyone with that combo on the car then try my luck in court and given the way it stands out it would not go in-noticed in the case of an accident.

Depends how you read the rule. The largest factory wheel is 20x9.5", it doesn't clearly state whether it needs to be the largest front wheel, or the largest wheel.

Either way, I'll try not to kill anyone.

[BLACK 346]

Depends how you read the rule. The largest factory wheel is 20x9.5", it doesn't clearly state whether it needs to be the largest front wheel, or the largest wheel.

Either way, I'll try not to kill anyone.

No, depends on how they (Police, Insurance company etc) read the rule, you wont get a say ;)

[Micks]

The thing to bear in mind you can fit anything to your vehicle though most need to be fully signed off by an engineer!
That the reason most insurers won't insure mods as they put it in the too hard basket.
If you look at the RTA in NSW even a brake upgrade requires engineering unless your "exact model" came with them as oem.

[mattnsw]

Depends how you read the rule. The largest factory wheel is 20x9.5", it doesn't clearly state whether it needs to be the largest front wheel, or the largest wheel.

Either way, I'll try not to kill anyone.

I'm sure if the legal eagles approached the manufacturer for a recommendation on the largest front rim they'd get a difference answer than yours.

Commonsense has to be read into the requirements and that's why a maximum aftermarket width of 9.5" would see you right where a 10" protrudes.

It's your car though and your risk but to me it looks like you've thrown a set of BMW spec rims on because you couldn't afford nice flush made to order offsets.

[mitchy_]

No, depends on how they (Police, Insurance company etc) read the rule, you wont get a say ;)

well i would. if your theoretical situation did go to court, i could argue my stance. either way, said situation hasn't happened so we'll just leave that to up to me for that moment.


I'm sure if the legal eagles approached the manufacturer for a recommendation on the largest front rim they'd get a difference answer than yours.

Commonsense has to be read into the requirements and that's why a maximum aftermarket width of 9.5" would see you right where a 10" protrudes.

It's your car though and your risk but to me it looks like you've thrown a set of BMW spec rims on because you couldn't afford nice flush made to order offsets.

you'd be wrong then, these are custom offset/size rims to my specifications.

[BLACK 346]

well i would. if your theoretical situation did go to court, i could argue my stance..

Yep, until your blue in the face.

[mattnsw]

well i would. if your theoretical situation did go to court, i could argue my stance. either way, said situation hasn't happened so we'll just leave that to up to me for that moment.



you'd be wrong then, these are custom offset/size rims to my specifications.


You ordered them like that, talk about a face palm.

It’s no wonder car enthusiasts who try to do the right thing are punished by ever harsher laws when someone blatantly and unashamedly breaks them like this.

This is not a stealth mod, it’s so in your face you can see for miles those rims are outside the guards and the stretched tyres even if they are legal draws even more attention towards the illegal rim.

You can’t slip your tyres while taking off at the lights under hoon laws because the powers that be believe a punishment for that offense will deter the idiots that also think its ok to do a full blooded burnout on a public street.

Your rims are in that same category, so blatant everyone suffers for it when the laws are amended.

A 9.5” rim would have at least been within the law.

They hang outside the guard you’d have no chance of winning that in court as no Magistrate is going to set a precedence.

[mitchy_]

You ordered them like that, talk about a face palm.

It’s no wonder car enthusiasts who try to do the right thing are punished by ever harsher laws when someone blatantly and unashamedly breaks them like this.

This is not a stealth mod, it’s so in your face you can see for miles those rims are outside the guards and the stretched tyres even if they are legal draws even more attention towards the illegal rim.

You can’t slip your tyres while taking off at the lights under hoon laws because the powers that be believe a punishment for that offense will deter the idiots that also think its ok to do a full blooded burnout on a public street.

Your rims are in that same category, so blatant everyone suffers for it when the laws are amended.

A 9.5” rim would have at least been within the law.

They hang outside the guard you’d have no chance of winning that in court as no Magistrate is going to set a precedence.

They don't hang out of the guards, everything is contained in the body work. The wheel is turned to show the tyre.

[Jason01]

I suspect the photo and the design of that particular tyre sidewall makes it look worse than it actually is but at the very least it looks like the rim edge is really vulnerable to hitting gutters. Variations in actual tyre widths for the same stated size are a pain in the arse but all you have to go by is the manufacturers fitment recommendations.

I have 235x40x18 Yokohama V105's on 18X8" VY SS wheels (the same as factory) and have to be really careful when parking near gutters and those rims don't have a lip like some do. Other tyres (including Yokohama's) the same stated size are physically wider and also protect the rim a lot better.

Jason.

[YellowDevil]

[QUOTE=mitchy_;2155617]This is a 255/35R20 on a 20x10" rim.

Keep in mind some tyres are narrower/wider than others.

Oh yeah thats quite a bit then for a small change in size, that would most likely work for me, thanks for the pic. 245 would be retarded :P

So much hate... but when your bagged and hiding that rubber tucked up to the rim exposed lips are phat, i run lip to guard with off set's that run very close so i need the extra curve. All these haters prob have car's as high as buses.

I don't drive it daily so guess my circumstances are diffrent to most :) what brand rubber do you have? ill check to make sure I get one thats with in spec limits of what they say.

[BLACK 346]

[QUOTE=mitchy_;2155617]
So much hate... but when your bagged and hiding that rubber tucked up to the rim exposed lips are phat, i run lip to guard with off set's that run very close so i need the extra curve. All these haters prob have car's as high as buses.


Not sure what you class as hate, but your seeing it different to me. I just see someone that asked an opinion on something and people pointing out the facts. Simple as that.
Maybe try another forum if you want to hear fully sik bro that looks mint lol

ps... I love lowered cars, and my VE Calais sits on SSSL with 275 tyres, no issues whatsoever. But with heads and cam already and a blower about to go on, the old 215 cross plies on the back just
wont cut the mustard champ.

[mattnsw]

They don't hang out of the guards, everything is contained in the body work. The wheel is turned to show the tyre.


That slight turn-in shown in the photo you’ve posted doesn’t make any difference to how the rim lip sits in relation to the guard lip.




you'd be wrong then, these are custom offset/size rims to my specifications.


Well at least you know what the specs are, it's amazing how many fellows don't but because you have some doubters and you're offering advice why not strengthen your argument and post the specs including offsets on both the front and rear rims and tyres?

I also see you’ve already posted photos of the car when it was riding on 22’s and now you’ve taken time to post a close up of the new rims so you must like snapping pics of it, so why not post some photos of the car from further back.

That would also help validate your advice for the doubters on what initially sounds and looks illegal.

[whitels1ss]

[QUOTE=YellowDevil;2155657]

Not sure what you class as hate, but your seeing it different to me. I just see someone that asked an opinion on something and people pointing out the facts. Simple as that.
Maybe try another forum if you want to hear fully sik bro that looks mint lol

ps... I love lowered cars, and my VE Calais sits on SSSL with 275 tyres, no issues whatsoever. But with heads and cam already and a blower about to go on, the old 215 cross plies on the back just
wont cut the mustard champ.

Good post Rod!

I could not agree more! :goodjob:

[A PSYCHO]

Hey guys,

I tried to purchase a set of the Vossen CV5's that i linked a pic to a few pages back, and they were sold out and no longer making them. I sort of forgot about getting wheels for a while but im back on the hunt for something again. Has anyone got any pics of VE/VFs with jap style rims such as this Maloo with 20" SSR P1's? I love the look of this but dont want to straight up mimic the look(seeing as i also have a black ute). Most brands ive looked at dont even make anthing bigger than an 18" etc. Anyone else put rims like this on? This Maloo has pumped/flaired guards but im after a similar look without needing to go that far.


http://i.imgur.com/3wIjrEa.jpg

[rodders188]

How is this fitment on a VE SS Sedan.
20x10 + 45 Rears tyre size 275/30 20 and 20x8.5 + 30 tyre size 245/35 20 Fronts , will this be comfortable

[Wonky]

I ran DTM Shine 20x10 (+45) with 275/30/20 tyres on my previous SSV ute without a problem. The fronts were 20x9 with 245/35/20 but can't find the offset now - from memory +40 and again never a problem.

[rodders188]

Yes cheers , the rears on +45 will fit good so i can run 285 tyre if want , the fronts should be 24.4 mm more than standard 19x8 48 p ve redline wheel
Which will just sit inside guard