More petrol rip offs, this time E85.

[HSVREDSLED]

Recently I bought a SSV that runs on E85.

After filling up a few times...something became quite suspect.

The first time I filled up, I paid 107.9 E85. Unleaded was pretty cheap at the time...126.9.

As E85 is only 15% petroleum, I was of the opinion that price fluctuation would be minimal because 85% of the fuel is methanol, (reasonably fixed price) and only 15% of the fuel was subject to the ridiculous singapore price or whatever measure they use. How wrong I was.

Today I filled up E85 for 127.9. Unleaded was 146.9. Thats 19 cents a litre difference.

Now compare this to my first tank...again 19 cents per litre difference! This is impossible because if you calculate the precentage increase of 127.9 to 146.9, then apply that to only 15% of a litre is works out that E85 should only have gone from 107.9 to approx 110.9 a litre!!!!

So do they now reckon Singapore determine the price of locally grown corn to make the ethanol too?

[Troutman]

You have a valid point, but keep in mind that E85 doesn't mean 85% ethanol, but up to 85%. That's a big difference. Not sure how low the percentage goes.

[zorro]

You have a valid point, but keep in mind that E85 doesn't mean 85% ethanol, but up to 85%. That's a big difference. Not sure how low the percentage goes.

I've read Caltex eflex being as little as 53% blended, United e85 being consistently above 78% and as high as 92%.

when I was fiddling around with it a while ago I filled for $1.42/L, that's a joke but you know I'm sure ethanol is taxed pretty heavy so the governing doesn't miss out. Along with that it's easy to take the greenies for a ride that will pay extra to get that warm fuzzy feeling that you are saving the world.

The best fuel is free fuel, company car :lol:

[HSVREDSLED]

You have a valid point, but keep in mind that E85 doesn't mean 85% ethanol, but up to 85%. That's a big difference. Not sure how low the percentage goes.

Cheers..didnt know that...

[macca_779]

Cheers..didnt know that...

Did you get eFlex or united e85. I've found the pricing to be considerable different. EFlex being cheaper


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[Phillshz]

Sounds like profiteering in practice. They are just cycling it in line with ULP, hoping to con the masses who are used to the "unpredictable scheduled timing and amount" cycle, that has become the norm these days.

Cheers Phill

[duke5700]

New day, another whinge, how about instead of crying on here you do something about it?

Write to your local member

Write to the ACCC

Write to the petroleum companies

Hell, sell your V8 powered car and ride a push bike.

I love the fact people will spend countless hours debating a topic on a bloody car forum yet in the real world where they may achieve something nothing is done. Nothing changes whilst good people do nothing. Whilst good people are comfortable they have no reason to do anything..

[awesome _vzss]

I paid 130.9 on Saturday night out at richmond,though it is abit expensive for eflex worth every cent imo.
Also I was under the impression that caltex eflex is 70-85% ethanol depend on season changes.

[lease1]

I still pay 60c for LPG 😜

[HSVREDSLED]

New day, another whinge, how about instead of crying on here you do something about it?

Write to your local member

Write to the ACCC

Write to the petroleum companies

Hell, sell your V8 powered car and ride a push bike.

I love the fact people will spend countless hours debating a topic on a bloody car forum yet in the real world where they may achieve something nothing is done. Nothing changes whilst good people do nothing. Whilst good people are comfortable they have no reason to do anything..

Its people that just simply accept what is going on and get 'bent over' yet again that is the cause of these rip offs. I do not accept being ripped off. I hate to be treated as a fool. I hate others being treated as fools. Do you really think Im crying because it costs me $40 more a week due to this rip off? Hell, I drop more than $40 out of my pocket on the ground on a night on the fizz!

But as to your recommendations...here goes.

Write to your local member

I would, but he is probably too busy spending union money at brothels, or too busy organising his own defence in up comimg criminal proceedings.

Write to the ACCC

And then be directed to the Petrol Commissioner who by his own admission, has said that he can do nothing about petrol prices, and his only job is to ensure the price on the bowser is the same as the advertised price. This is the same fella who doesnt want to be called the Petrol Commissioner anymore.

Write to the petroleum companies

Done. I have requested the % range make up of ethanol and am keeping a spreadsheet of % comparisions between unleaded and E85.

Hell, sell your V8 powered car and ride a push bike.

Missing my point. Its not the $$$ I dont care if Im getting ripped off a dollar or a thousand. I hate companies that think they can rip off a million people for one dollar and not get noticed. Moreso I hate simple intelligence being insulted by government and companies who think we are fools.

[brasher]

I've read Caltex eflex being as little as 53% blended, United e85 being consistently above 78% and as high as 92%.


where do people come up with rubbish like this lol.

I test probably every 2nd or 3rd tank and never seen it below 75% in the dead of winter. Same with my mates with Evo's, never seen it below 70.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't rise much in Summer.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Compared with the combined costs of depreciation, rego, insurance, tyres and servicing, petrol is a drop in the ocean.

[duke5700]

Your local member will have opposition, write to them.

So non of those avenues work so you say, yet you think words on a screen on a car based forum with somewhat like minded individuals will help your plight. All you are going to get is some ego stroking as people agree with you. You need to convince those that can make a difference.

You want to know why petrol is so expensive and we have price difference and the like.. because we can afford it.

Like you said, you drop more money out of your pocket on a night on the booze.

The only thing that affects the price of products is when people can't afford it. It is supply and demand, drop the demand and watch the price drop. Every retail seller will sell a product for as much as they possibly can to increase the profit. Simple business really, you would think being a Liberal supporter you would understand this? You don't get rich or to be a large company because you give everyone a fair go.. besides you are not getting ripped off, you agree to pay those prices before you purchase your fuel. They could put $1million dollars a litre on the price of fuel, they can charge whatever they want.

So no one is getting ripped off at all.. don't like the price you don't have to buy it.





Its people that just simply accept what is going on and get 'bent over' yet again that is the cause of these rip offs. I do not accept being ripped off. I hate to be treated as a fool. I hate others being treated as fools. Do you really think Im crying because it costs me $40 more a week due to this rip off? Hell, I drop more than $40 out of my pocket on the ground on a night on the fizz!

But as to your recommendations...here goes.

Write to your local member

I would, but he is probably too busy spending union money at brothels, or too busy organising his own defence in up comimg criminal proceedings.

Write to the ACCC

And then be directed to the Petrol Commissioner who by his own admission, has said that he can do nothing about petrol prices, and his only job is to ensure the price on the bowser is the same as the advertised price. This is the same fella who doesnt want to be called the Petrol Commissioner anymore.

Write to the petroleum companies

Done. I have requested the % range make up of ethanol and am keeping a spreadsheet of % comparisions between unleaded and E85.

Hell, sell your V8 powered car and ride a push bike.

Missing my point. Its not the $$$ I dont care if Im getting ripped off a dollar or a thousand. I hate companies that think they can rip off a million people for one dollar and not get noticed. Moreso I hate simple intelligence being insulted by government and companies who think we are fools.

[HSVREDSLED]

So non of those avenues work so you say, yet you think words on a screen on a car based forum with somewhat like minded individuals will help your plight. All you are going to get is some ego stroking as people agree with you. You need to convince those that can make a difference.
.

Where did I say '..none of those avenues work..?' I said I wrote to the petrol company. Caltex to be exact. I will see what answer I will get. If you are going to quote me, make sure I actually said what you are quoting.

And I dont need any ego stroking, but thanks for your input anyway.

[duke5700]

Sorry the 2 out of the 3 won't work... and the 3rd one, well it is like asking someone to justify why they are selling their product for x amount of dollars. You want an answer as to why they will give it to you. It won't be the truth and it will certainly fob you off.

I can see the reply all ready,

Dear Sir

The percentage of Ethanol content varies depending on season and availabilty versus cost so we can make the most amount of money in our capitalist market. It can vary from week to week and day to day depending on what went where from our stocks.

Influences from overseas market greatly affect the price of petrol in Australia as well as the kind of petrol/water we have left over to blend with the ethanol. Then we have the variances in shipping prices and the normal fuel cycle of which due to the lower demand with E85 products is more volatile than regular petroleum products.

Basically we will sell it for whatever the fu ck we like because we know you will pay for it.

Thankyou kindly for your corespondance and we look forward to hearing from you in future.

Caltex person responsible for customer service.

Yeah you are really showing them who is boss. At this rate I expect petroleum products to dip below a $1 per litre any day now.

[HSVREDSLED]

Sorry the 2 out of the 3 won't work... and the 3rd one, well it is like asking someone to justify why they are selling their product for x amount of dollars. You want an answer as to why they will give it to you. It won't be the truth and it will certainly fob you off.

I can see the reply all ready,

Dear Sir

The percentage of Ethanol content varies depending on season and availabilty versus cost so we can make the most amount of money in our capitalist market. It can vary from week to week and day to day depending on what went where from our stocks.

Influences from overseas market greatly affect the price of petrol in Australia as well as the kind of petrol/water we have left over to blend with the ethanol. Then we have the variances in shipping prices and the normal fuel cycle of which due to the lower demand with E85 products is more volatile than regular petroleum products.

Basically we will sell it for whatever the fu ck we like because we know you will pay for it.

Thankyou kindly for your corespondance and we look forward to hearing from you in future.

Caltex person responsible for customer service.

Yeah you are really showing them who is boss. At this rate I expect petroleum products to dip below a $1 per litre any day now.

I informed you I did what you actually recommended I do in post #7.....now you ridicule the recommendation? So are you ridiculing yourself?

Time for a friday brew methinks, this is doing my head in.

[zorro]

where do people come up with rubbish like this lol.

I test probably every 2nd or 3rd tank and never seen it below 75% in the dead of winter. Same with my mates with Evo's, never seen it below 70.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't rise much in Summer.

Don't shoot the messenger, I have seen numerous threads with such information. A mate back home in qld runs eflex and reckons its up and down like a yoyo.

[duke5700]

My original point being, no one here is going to give you an answer and you are whingeing to people who cannot do anything for you. Very typical of people, willing to whinge but not have the spine to actually do anything worthwhile.

I was giving you options to go somewhere else and waste their time instead of everyones on the forums.

If you are stupid enough that you needed to actually ask the petrol companies and didn't all ready know what the response was.. you really have no hope.

I await to see the results.. what is the bet it goes no further than this thread? Bit the same as the other rubbish threads you participate in, plenty of time to cry on the forum yet no time to actually do something about it.




I informed you I did what you actually recommended I do in post #7.....now you ridicule the recommendation? So are you ridiculing yourself?

Time for a friday brew methinks, this is doing my head in.

[BECAUZ]

My original point being, no one here is going to give you an answer and you are whingeing to people who cannot do anything for you. Very typical of people, willing to whinge but not have the spine to actually do anything worthwhile.

I was giving you options to go somewhere else and waste their time instead of everyones on the forums.

If you are stupid enough that you needed to actually ask the petrol companies and didn't all ready know what the response was.. you really have no hope.

I await to see the results.. what is the bet it goes no further than this thread? Bit the same as the other rubbish threads you participate in, plenty of time to cry on the forum yet no time to actually do something about it.

A forum is for about expressing and sharing opinons to get a broader view. Atleast it is for me.

Calm down. I think he has raised some good questions and was asking to see if anyone knew a reason other than the big players always being able to do what ever they want.

Mind you your argument is flawed. Our governments are weak and there is nothing you can do to the oil companies. Reason the governemnts are paid well to stay out.

If BP was any other company the states would have made sure they never operated ever again, yet somehow they survive.

It's the old saying which will never die, It's not what you know - It's who you know.

[bladerunner]

Our governments are weak and there is nothing you can do to the oil companies. Reason the governemnts are paid well to stay out.

.
couldn't agree more! when they dumped the fuel subsidy up here in qld the price diff between normal ulp and premo 98 jumped from about 12cpl to 16cpl on that very day so being the concerned motorist/consumer that i am, i phoned the accc as soon as i got home that day and was basicly given the "so what' what do you want us to do about it? thay can legally charge what they want" when i asked what DO they do then i was told "we can only investigate if theres evidance of collusion" what a crock of shit!! they dont even do that! not to the publics satisfaction anyway. i have no faith in any them so now i just ignore the bullshit flung at me by the media about "shopping around" as thats just a piss weak response by the motoring industry that knows they can do sweet F/A about it

[HSVREDSLED]

Bit the same as the other rubbish threads you participate in, plenty of time to cry on the forum yet no time to actually do something about it.

Ahh the penny has now dropped. All makes sense now...

[duke5700]

Who other than oil companies is going to think that petrol isn't expensive enough? What broader view are you going to get here? Everyone wants to pay less other than those who profit from whatever is being sold. It isn't rocket science.

How is my argument flawed again?

All I am pointing out is it is yet another pointless thread of which nothing will be achieved, except preaching to the converted as what V8 owner wants to pay more for fuel?

I am saying and I will reinforce this, leave the blue screen for a little while and find someone that can do something about it.


A forum is for about expressing and sharing opinons to get a broader view. Atleast it is for me.

Calm down. I think he has raised some good questions and was asking to see if anyone knew a reason other than the big players always being able to do what ever they want.

Mind you your argument is flawed. Our governments are weak and there is nothing you can do to the oil companies. Reason the governemnts are paid well to stay out.

If BP was any other company the states would have made sure they never operated ever again, yet somehow they survive.

It's the old saying which will never die, It's not what you know - It's who you know.

[duke5700]

Exactly, other than complaining what have you done? Seeing as you are so aggrieved by your life and everything you complain about in what instance have you actually done anything to make the situation better?

I tell you what, I'll leave you all to contemplate another 50 posts on how bad petrol pricing is and I'll check in from time to time and see if one of you actually does something about it.


Ahh the penny has now dropped. All makes sense now...

[HSVREDSLED]

Exactly, other than complaining what have you done? Seeing as you are so aggrieved by your life and everything you complain about in what instance have you actually done anything to make the situation better?

I tell you what, I'll leave you all to contemplate another 50 posts on how bad petrol pricing is and I'll check in from time to time and see if one of you actually does something about it.

http://health.act.gov.au/health-services/mental-health-act/mental-health-services/

[duke5700]

Hilarious post of yours.. genius to come up with that. I fail to see how making light of your mental illness is in anyway helping your cause.

Look at these filthy profits by a business trying to make money and being responsible to its share holders. Must be all the money they are ripping you off with.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8522641/caltex-lifts-first-half-profit

So exactly what else have you done? Any results?

Give it another week or another month?

[aussiemuscle308]

I was of the opinion that price fluctuation would be minimal because 85% of the fuel is methanol, (reasonably fixed price) and only 15% of the fuel was subject to the ridiculous singapore price or whatever measure they use.

see,, that's because of OPEC. they tell us not only to use the singapore price (even if it's drilled in australia), but also to artificially regulate the price of alternative fuels like ethanol. Say no and they wont sell us any oil. that's why they call them a Cartel.

[HSVREDSLED]

Hilarious post of yours.. genius to come up with that. I fail to see how making light of your mental illness is in anyway helping your cause.

Look at these filthy profits by a business trying to make money and being responsible to its share holders. Must be all the money they are ripping you off with.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/aap/8522641/caltex-lifts-first-half-profit

So exactly what else have you done? Any results?

Give it another week or another month?

Glad you saw the humour in my post.

Updates? Let see, email to Caltex sent...you guessed it, no reply, letter fired off to local brothel in attempt to locate my local federal member. No reply. I am giving them until next Monday to reply, then its off to shock jocks to shake the tree a little.

By the way...the pricing scenario is now getting worse.

[Micks]

Glad you saw the humour in my post.

Updates? Let see, email to Caltex sent...you guessed it, no reply, letter fired off to local brothel in attempt to locate my local federal member. No reply. I am giving them until next Monday to reply, then its off to shock jocks to shake the tree a little.

By the way...the pricing scenario is now getting worse.

Sled reckon your right blame the labor party for the rises! @ least your local member is a satisfied man, even if it's @ your expense ;)

[VRIIClubby]

Duke5700,

Having been away from these forums for a few years I haven't come across you as yet, I see you have been a member here for a few years, what is the PURPOSE of a FORUM? Are you aware?

I'll help:
Forum's (this one and the other gazillion) are for people to VENT their frustrations and SEEK information and assistance, so, why don't you jump of your little pony, and if you have nothing to add that will improve and/or assist the discussion then you simply leave it alone? Or, are you here to stroke your precious little ego?
I find EVERY comment you have made here to be completely derogatory and in no way is it assisting your fellow member's, If you don't like the "whinging" it's pretty simple son, you should F%$# OFF! (Or just go back to your little insignificant public service position where YOUR opinion counts as much as the cleaner whom removes those GT stripes from the bowl)

Whilst I somewhat agree with your proposal (if the MASSESS did it, still nothing would change - Collusion IS Happening and ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED, I very clearly remember calls from "area Managers" to jack the price up because X company was about to do the same three suburbs away - and that was over 15 years ago), the manner in which you attempt to communicate leaves ALOT to be desired, maybe you need a lesson in manners? I would also suggest that whilst you are prancing around on your little high horse that you go back to school, and learn how to SPELL.

Now to the topic before some egotistical condescending muppet made it personal against Sled.

No E85 available out here where I live, (I wasn't even aware it was widely available around the country! -sad, lol) and I pay a minimum of $1.64 for PULP here, but your figures do highlight the inconsistencies in the fluctuations, "IF" the reasons OPEC and Fuel companies gave us where actually true, the jumps and lulls in price would be much smaller, gradual and would be even across the range of available products, not wildly jumping 20c overnight...and... if the Government was serious about its "green" credentials, then the price of things such as E85 would be cheap as nails to encourage a greener footprint across our motoring public..

oops, sorry Duke, I should write a letter to someone that will never see it, let alone give a rats arse, or I could save the money from a stamp and envelope and keep paying for petrol! lol..

[duke5700]

Making light of the mentally ill.. well you said it. Whatever low you need to try and score an e point. Its obvious your intellect won't get you there.

Good to see you have achieved nothing other than bitch on a forum.

Good job all round. Think you would fit in quite well the current party in power.


Glad you saw the humour in my post.

Updates? Let see, email to Caltex sent...you guessed it, no reply, letter fired off to local brothel in attempt to locate my local federal member. No reply. I am giving them until next Monday to reply, then its off to shock jocks to shake the tree a little.

By the way...the pricing scenario is now getting worse.

[duke5700]

It is supposed to be derogatory.. glad you picked that up.

Please explain to me and make it simple how anyone of any of these posts have achieved anything? anything at all? At the very least my remarks have made him write a letter and at least think about what he could do to get one over me.

Much the same as what you wrote if you don't like it you can also leave. I'm pointing out a simple observation. All you ever see is people crying about something these days and doing nought to solve it. Why whinge? Oh I bought a V8 car that weighs 2 tonnes and it uses lots of fuel and fuel is expensive.. well derrrrr. It is along the same line, any person who sells a good retains the right to sell it for whatever they want obviously without collusion.. good luck proving. The rich don't get rich because they are generous.

Glad you like my speeling.

I'm actually from the Riverina, Wagga Wagga. Did my apprenticeship there as a electrician.

Depending on where you are in the Riverina, I know you can get the eFlex locally there in drums and there is talk of it coming to one of the Caltex's in Wagga.

As for this rousing argument, I'll check back in about a month this time and see if anything more has been done.


Duke5700,

Having been away from these forums for a few years I haven't come across you as yet, I see you have been a member here for a few years, what is the PURPOSE of a FORUM? Are you aware?

I'll help:
Forum's (this one and the other gazillion) are for people to VENT their frustrations and SEEK information and assistance, so, why don't you jump of your little pony, and if you have nothing to add that will improve and/or assist the discussion then you simply leave it alone? Or, are you here to stroke your precious little ego?
I find EVERY comment you have made here to be completely derogatory and in no way is it assisting your fellow member's, If you don't like the "whinging" it's pretty simple son, you should F%$# OFF! (Or just go back to your little insignificant public service position where YOUR opinion counts as much as the cleaner whom removes those GT stripes from the bowl)

Whilst I somewhat agree with your proposal (if the MASSESS did it, still nothing would change - Collusion IS Happening and ALWAYS HAS HAPPENED, I very clearly remember calls from "area Managers" to jack the price up because X company was about to do the same three suburbs away - and that was over 15 years ago), the manner in which you attempt to communicate leaves ALOT to be desired, maybe you need a lesson in manners? I would also suggest that whilst you are prancing around on your little high horse that you go back to school, and learn how to SPELL.

Now to the topic before some egotistical condescending muppet made it personal against Sled.

No E85 available out here where I live, (I wasn't even aware it was widely available around the country! -sad, lol) and I pay a minimum of $1.64 for PULP here, but your figures do highlight the inconsistencies in the fluctuations, "IF" the reasons OPEC and Fuel companies gave us where actually true, the jumps and lulls in price would be much smaller, gradual and would be even across the range of available products, not wildly jumping 20c overnight...and... if the Government was serious about its "green" credentials, then the price of things such as E85 would be cheap as nails to encourage a greener footprint across our motoring public..

oops, sorry Duke, I should write a letter to someone that will never see it, let alone give a rats arse, or I could save the money from a stamp and envelope and keep paying for petrol! lol..

[02PRUV]

So you all know the truth, the government know about the price of ethanol fuel already. The reason that ethanol fuel price increases with the price of petroleum is it was a deal they did to keep it 20c a litre under the price of unleaded. This way when oil prices increase, E85 increases and they still make profits on the fuel excise on E85. Big revenue from fuel. They did it to LPG as well. If you want to read more you can go here:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/101FFDF5DD1700A5CA257727001EA61D

Maybe if more people worked harder and stopped drinking and socialising so much the government wouldn't need so much revenue from fuel to pay the dole ;)

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

[HSVREDSLED]

So you all know the truth, the government know about the price of ethanol fuel already. The reason that ethanol fuel price increases with the price of petroleum is it was a deal they did to keep it 20c a litre under the price of unleaded. This way when oil prices increase, E85 increases and they still make profits on the fuel excise on E85. Big revenue from fuel. They did it to LPG as well. If you want to read more you can go here:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/101FFDF5DD1700A5CA257727001EA61D

Maybe if more people worked harder and stopped drinking and socialising so much the government wouldn't need so much revenue from fuel to pay the dole ;)

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

Buy this man a damn big Cigar...thank you!

You see, the reason ( I think) forums exist, is so that we can collectively discuss a wide variety of issues and find out truths (hopefully) with no malice or judgement. The amount of non automotive knowledge and I have gained, (and hopefully assisted others with) though the blue screen has been astounding. I have travelled extensively throughout the USA armed with knowledge and experience I have gained on here and (hopefully) I have been able to pass on some as well.

I asked a genuine question on here and it took until the post from 02PRUV to clear it up...thank you. The rest...well, read as you will and make your own mind up. The internet/forum is not about (attempts) to knock people down. Its about helping each other and sharing information. Take a chill pill Duke...lifes too short.

[brasher]

Oh and Eflex is always 72-85% and 72% ethanol is 105 octane and 85% is 106 octane. At these ethanol levels power difference is next to no difference and the AFR ratio difference is only 0.5 of a point. So if you target 12:1 AFR on 72% and you put 85% in the tank it will run 12.5:1 AFR's. With the higher octane of the fuel and the cooling effect of it if your cars not tuned on the limit of the fuel like a race car the ethanol content change isn't going to harm. And you still have near as damn it the same octane rating.

Give that man a new! Someone with a clue!

[GM Slave]

Much the same as what you wrote if you don't like it you can also leave. I'm pointing out a simple observation. All you ever see is people crying about something these days and doing nought to solve it. Why whinge? Oh I bought a V8 car that weighs 2 tonnes and it uses lots of fuel and fuel is expensive.. well derrrrr. It is along the same line, any person who sells a good retains the right to sell it for whatever they want obviously without collusion.. good luck proving. The rich don't get rich because they are generous.

Glad you like my speeling.

I'm actually from the Riverina, Wagga Wagga. Did my apprenticeship there as a electrician.


Geez Duke 5700, here I was thinking you were just trolling, but now that we know you are from Wagga it all suddenly make sense.

HSVREDSLED, I agree with your original post and find this definately a topic worthy of a considered discussion.

[dogsballs]

there is a big difference in caltex eflex and united e85, in melbourne. once more united's opened down here we changed to e85, had to upgrade fuel pump and injectors.

[D_BLOCK]

So anyway now all the E-drama has concluded.
I finally found a stockist here in Toowoomba that has E85 and they sell it by the litre and by the 44Gal.It appears its true 85 used by various
motor sport teams.It would want to be good at $500+ for a 44 Gal drum.I cant understand why the servos out here aren't using it?

[HSVREDSLED]

So anyway now all the E-drama has concluded.
I finally found a stockist here in Toowoomba that has E85 and they sell it by the litre and by the 44Gal.It appears its true 85 used by various
motor sport teams.It would want to be good at $500+ for a 44 Gal drum.I cant understand why the servos out here aren't using it?

44 gallon = 166 litres. 166 litres X 1.28 a litre = $212.48. At $500 a 44 gal...you are getting seriously screwed.

[VYSHSV8]

44 gallon = basically 200ltrs not 166
4.5 Ltrs to a gallon not 4 which still equates to 178ltrs

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk in the middle of Farkin no-where

[VH-COM]

44 gallon = basically 200ltrs not 166
4.5 Ltrs to a gallon not 4 which still equates to 178ltrs

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Beat me ..... That's what I was just typing.....44 UK Gallons = 200.2 L

166 L = 44 US Gallons

Still a fat profit in it.

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Def a nice little earner allright. The upside is ,with it being sucrogen your guaranteed an accurate mix.I'll just have to wait a bit longer in the hope
that the 2 new woollies/caltex going up in the next year or so,decide to stock it.