Mustang For Europe in 2014.....Australia?

[Pickles]

I read that ford will have a new more "retro styled" Mustang in 2014, and that the car will be available in Europe....so it'd have to be built in RHD....which it isn't at the moment.
With the probable "demise" of the Falcon, maybe FPV would be involved with this car for Aus?
Cheers, Pickles.

[itsme4g63]

I very much doubt its going to be RHD as most european countries are LHD, its not a new mustang but a facelifted version of the debut 2010 model, it has been out for a few month out here and all it basically is is LED tailamps little cosmetic changes. The big mustang change is the 2013 gt500 gets a reworked engine being stroked to 5.8 from previous 5.4, larger supercharger generating 660hp, 6 piston front brembos, reworked 6th gear letting it attain 200mph stock! Also a plethora f factory options like engine/diff/trans oil cooler race package plus recaros and such. Check out the US ford website for more info.

[Pickles]

No worries....but the car I was talking about won't be released until 2014.....I think the guy's name was Alan Mulally...or something like that.....it was announced on Ford's "Go Further" banner......Ford seem to be getting more & more into the "World Car" scenario with their Mondeo, Focus etc etc.....He mentioned the Mustang in that light.
Cheers, Pickles.

[blackvussii]

I have read that as well, part of the new global platform thing they are doing, thought it may have been 2015. Would be great to see them here for a reasonable price... Not like the over priced lemon that they tried last time. I like them, will def look into buying one seeing the camaro doesn't look like a possibility anymore.

[whiteknight2211]

I very much doubt its going to be RHD as most european countries are LHD, its not a new mustang but a facelifted version of the debut 2010 model, it has been out for a few month out here and all it basically is is LED tailamps little cosmetic changes. The big mustang change is the 2013 gt500 gets a reworked engine being stroked to 5.8 from previous 5.4, larger supercharger generating 660hp, 6 piston front brembos, reworked 6th gear letting it attain 200mph stock! Also a plethora f factory options like engine/diff/trans oil cooler race package plus recaros and such. Check out the US ford website for more info.

I'd think the only way we'd end up with RHD is if the Ford decided the UK is a suitable market.

[Jag530G]

I'd think the only way we'd end up with RHD is if the Ford decided the UK is a suitable market.

And even then Ford can sell LHD Mustangs in the UK if it wants to, doesn't have to be RHD. As GM does in selling LHD Camaros and Corvettes in the UK over the years.

Ford will sell bugger all Mustangs in Europe anyway, the live axle platform will be viewed as a joke over there.

No hope of a factory RHD Mustang really, not when it isn't based on anything else to help defray the cost. Actually the best hope for RHD cars in the future is if India develops more of a premium car market, they are RHD and if this happened then the volume would be there to satisfy UK, Japan, India and little old us.

Cheers, Matthew

[Jag530G]

I have read that as well, part of the new global platform thing they are doing, thought it may have been 2015. Would be great to see them here for a reasonable price... Not like the over priced lemon that they tried last time. I like them, will def look into buying one seeing the camaro doesn't look like a possibility anymore.

What global platform? Ford won't be building any other rear wheel drive cars by 2014/15 apart from the nearly dead Falcon. The current Mustang's plaform - D2C - is a cheapo evolution of the DEW platform used in the Lincoln LS and Jaguar S Type, they had IRS, Ford cheapened it by putting in a live axle for the Mustang.

Ford pissed away the chance to unify the design and engineering of the Mustang and Falcon (not to mention unifying the Crown Vic and Fairlane) years ago, had they done so it probably would have saved the Falcon.

Cheers, Matthew

[blackvussii]

What global platform? Ford won't be building any other rear wheel drive cars by 2014/15 apart from the nearly dead Falcon. The current Mustang's plaform - D2C - is a cheapo evolution of the DEW platform used in the Lincoln LS and Jaguar S Type, they had IRS, Ford cheapened it by putting in a live axle for the Mustang.

Ford pissed away the chance to unify the design and engineering of the Mustang and Falcon (not to mention unifying the Crown Vic and Fairlane) years ago, had they done so it probably would have saved the Falcon.

Cheers, Matthew

I don't know how to put a link in to the article but google 2015 ford mustang Australia.
There is a article from www.themotorreport.com.au in April.
" the 2015 mustang is reportedly being developed under Fords "One Ford" corporate strategy- in other words with a platform, components, engines and technologies that have a wider application in fords global plans.
Options would potentially include exporting the mustang to Europe, Asia and Australia."

May not happen when they crunch the figures but most good things start with a rumour and I'd say say it's one of last chances we get to see a affordable rwd v8 coupe here so I'm remaining optimistic. But there is a small market for it here alone, maybe Japan and the uk might make it worth their time??

[itsme4g63]

Not many grey import mustangs running around down there?

[Stampy]

4 Guy's, and other dealers in NZ are importing a shed load of GT500's including the 5.8, think there is around 7 on NZ's Trademe site at the moment, 5.8 NZ$130K.

[Pickles]

I don't know how to put a link in to the article but google 2015 ford mustang Australia.
There is a article from www.themotorreport.com.au in April.
" the 2015 mustang is reportedly being developed under Fords "One Ford" corporate strategy- in other words with a platform, components, engines and technologies that have a wider application in fords global plans.
Options would potentially include exporting the mustang to Europe, Asia and Australia."

May not happen when they crunch the figures but most good things start with a rumour and I'd say say it's one of last chances we get to see a affordable rwd v8 coupe here so I'm remaining optimistic. But there is a small market for it here alone, maybe Japan and the uk might make it worth their time??
That's what I was talking about.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Cmm]

Would love if they had aus delivered mustangs and camaros for reasonable prices. $130k for the current gt500 is 1.5 times the ticket price. I understand you have to ship the out but 80k just to get them here is pretty steep! Same issue with camaros! 130k goes along way when you put them up against comparable local cars.

[Jag530G]

Would love if they had aus delivered mustangs and camaros for reasonable prices. $130k for the current gt500 is 1.5 times the ticket price. I understand you have to ship the out but 80k just to get them here is pretty steep! Same issue with camaros! 130k goes along way when you put them up against comparable local cars.

Its because the RHD conversion is an aftermarket job, very costly as it is pretty much a manual labour job to remove, convert and install the new interior/steering. Same story as the Mustang that Tickford imported around 2002/3, they were converted to RHD here in Australia and hence cost $80K upwards and barely sold. If the cars were factory RHD they would be considerably cheaper.

Cheers, Matthew

[itsme4g63]

Its because the RHD conversion is an aftermarket job, very costly as it is pretty much a manual labour job to remove, convert and install the new interior/steering. Same story as the Mustang that Tickford imported around 2002/3, they were converted to RHD here in Australia and hence cost $80K upwards and barely sold. If the cars were factory RHD they would be considerably cheaper.

Cheers, Matthew

I reminess watching AUS top gear on its initial season and they showcased a rhd ford gt converted by a company down under, supposedly this company does alot of business converting american cars and such, I can't remember the name for the life of me but I'd like to see what cost on a conversion like so would be.

I'm also wondering what is the import duty/tax in aus on cars? 130k for a mustang seems a bit too far fetched, even if its a gt500.

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http://www.mustangmotorsport.com.au/corporate/contact.php


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[Stampy]

Au$100K for 200mph performance, doesn't sound bad to me???

[itsme4g63]

http://www.mustangmotorsport.com.au/corporate/contact.php


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http://www.mustangmotorsport.com.au/vehicles/new.php

135k for a mustang gt lol , do cars in australia require rhd by law? I would just leave it lhd if not; would be something unique like rhd cars here are.

[dazzrael]

130K gets you many many more options FAR better than a Mustang or Camaro..... C63, M3, XFR, XKR, RS4, E3GTS - the list goes on and on

[ti0350]

read an article today that says Ford has confirmed the new mustang is going to the UK as RHD, so that opens the door for Ford to bring them here.

[shaneooo]

I will tell you one thing, my wife won't be happy if the Mustang comes to Australia. My garage will then consist of...

- FPV GT 335
- SSV Ute
- A brand new Mustang GT

Oh well, live once!

[Jag530G]

read an article today that says Ford has confirmed the new mustang is going to the UK as RHD, so that opens the door for Ford to bring them here.

Yes, Saw that on the Age/SMH website. Problem is it is based on the same info as Pickles' initial post and it doesn't mean RHD at all. All Ford have said is that they intend to sell the Mustang in Europe and that's it. The Age/SMH journo has thrown in a bunch of assumptions on top of that but obviously doesn't realise that Ford can sell the Mustang in the UK as a LHD so there is no guarantee of RHD at all.

Cheers, Matthew

[motorin on]

http://www.mustangmotorsport.com.au/vehicles/new.php

135k for a mustang gt lol , do cars in australia require rhd by law? I would just leave it lhd if not; would be something unique like rhd cars here are.
Iron Block Imports are the new player's in Oz,prices are pretty good
I did a thread somewhere here on the Forum about not converting later cars seeing the early LHD's are running around without problems,although one member was right in saying on a single lane road overtaking would be a big problem
Wouldn't be happy just driving in the city on dual lanes and being 2nd in line waiting to turn right brings more issues with no clear line of sight

[Knight Phlier]

You can register a LHD car in NSW if it is over a certain age, i think it is 30+ years. Have seen a few old school American muscle cars still in LHD but anything new or newish has to be converted with relevant documentation.

[Knight Phlier]

130K gets you many many more options FAR better than a Mustang or Camaro..... C63, M3, XFR, XKR, RS4, E3GTS - the list goes on and on

A late model Camaro / Mustang would be more rare on the streets around AUS IMO.

[ti0350]

Yes, Saw that on the Age/SMH website. Problem is it is based on the same info as Pickles' initial post and it doesn't mean RHD at all. All Ford have said is that they intend to sell the Mustang in Europe and that's it. The Age/SMH journo has thrown in a bunch of assumptions on top of that but obviously doesn't realise that Ford can sell the Mustang in the UK as a LHD so there is no guarantee of RHD at all.
Cheers, Matthew
I read the SMH articlw but the one I was reading was dated a couple of days ago, I will try and dig up the article. here another one I found.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/34801/new-ford-mustang-set-world-debut

[Ghia351]

From GoAuto
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/00676524776D1C98CA257A72000627E1


Aussie designers and engineers saddle up for bit part in new global Ford Mustang



7 September 2012
By RON HAMMERTON (http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/writers?readform&author=Ron%20Hammerton)
FORD’S iconic Mustang is poised for right-hand drive production, opening the door for the muscle car to be launched in Australia in its next generation from about 2015.

And the even better news is that Ford’s Australian designers and engineers are believed to have a hand in the project as part of their global product development contribution.

Ford Australia is tight-lipped about the Australian connection to the American-built “pony car”, but the local branch of the Blue Oval company and its Ford Performance Vehicles offshoot have extensive experience with independent rear-suspension rear-drive large cars and supercharged V8s.

Ford Motor Co president Alan Mulally last night announced in Amsterdam that after 50 years, the Mustang finally will be sold in Europe, including in right-hand drive form for Britain.

“We heard it here first – Mustang, the American icon, is coming to Europe,” he said.

“We will have more details to share in the future. One thing we can say for sure what has made Mustang such a sensation in the US for nearly 50 years soon will be enjoyed by customers in Europe.”

[Ghia351]

I read that ford will have a new more "retro styled" Mustang in 2014, and that the car will be available in Europe....so it'd have to be built in RHD....which it isn't at the moment.
With the probable "demise" of the Falcon, maybe FPV would be involved with this car for Aus?
Cheers, Pickles.
I think it's been stated several times that "retro is finished" for the next new model.

[itsme4g63]

it seems that post-calculations there is roughly 20% on top of a vehicles prices when it comes thru AU borders ( http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page4371.asp ), I've no idea what rhd conversions go for though, but can't imagine it being more than a few thousand.

[Jag530G]

To Ghia351: The bit about "right-hand drive form for Britain" is simply GoAuto's words, they aren't a quote from Mullaly. The only quotes from Mullaly that I have found are the ones lower down in the article you quote plus this from Ford's press release from the Amsterdam event. Believe me, I have had a good trawl around Ford's website and the interwebs looking for actual quotes from Mullaly or Odell saying that the Mustang will be built in RHD and I haven't found any, only a whole bunch of journo assumptions.

Here is the excerpt from Ford's press release:

"Mustang coming to Europe
Ford today announced the legendary Mustang will go on sale in Europe.

“You only have to look at the incredible response to Mustang when it has appeared this summer at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, in the U.K., and at the Le Mans Classic, in France, to get a sense of the excitement this American icon generates across Europe,” Odell said. “The Mustang is uniquely Ford and has a huge fan base here in Europe. Now those fans have something to look forward to and we look forward to providing more details in the near future. "

Sorry I'm being such a pedant about this but so many people make so many assumptions that have no basis in fact. Journos are simply trying to beat up a story to get some interest.

I'll believe it when someone from Ford, in a position of authority, is actually verifiably quoted as saying the Mustang will be built in RHD.

The only quote I see is that the Mustang will be sold in Europe. That doesn't necessarily mean the UK they could well just mean "Continental" Europe (LHD countries) and even if it did include the UK it doesn't necessarily mean it will be RHD as LHD cars can be sold new in the UK quite legally, as GM have done with the Corvette, Cadillacs and the Camaro over the years.

Cheers, Matthew

[Ghia351]

To Ghia351: The bit about "right-hand drive form for Britain" is simply GoAuto's words, they aren't a quote from Mullaly. The only quotes from Mullaly that I have found are the ones lower down in the article you quote plus this from Ford's press release from the Amsterdam event. Believe me, I have had a good trawl around Ford's website and the interwebs looking for actual quotes from Mullaly or Odell saying that the Mustang will be built in RHD and I haven't found any, only a whole bunch of journo assumptions.

Here is the excerpt from Ford's press release:

"Mustang coming to Europe
Ford today announced the legendary Mustang will go on sale in Europe.

“You only have to look at the incredible response to Mustang when it has appeared this summer at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, in the U.K., and at the Le Mans Classic, in France, to get a sense of the excitement this American icon generates across Europe,” Odell said. “The Mustang is uniquely Ford and has a huge fan base here in Europe. Now those fans have something to look forward to and we look forward to providing more details in the near future. "

Sorry I'm being such a pedant about this but so many people make so many assumptions that have no basis in fact. Journos are simply trying to beat up a story to get some interest.

I'll believe it when someone from Ford, in a position of authority, is actually verifiably quoted as saying the Mustang will be built in RHD.

The only quote I see is that the Mustang will be sold in Europe. That doesn't necessarily mean the UK they could well just mean "Continental" Europe (LHD countries) and even if it did include the UK it doesn't necessarily mean it will be RHD as LHD cars can be sold new in the UK quite legally, as GM have done with the Corvette, Cadillacs and the Camaro over the years.

Cheers, MatthewDo you know if the same allowance applies to Japan or other RHD Asian countries.?

[aussiemuscle308]

Its because the RHD conversion is an aftermarket job, very costly as it is pretty much a manual labour job to remove, convert and install the new interior/steering. Same story as the Mustang that Tickford imported around 2002/3, they were converted to RHD here in Australia and hence cost $80K upwards and barely sold. If the cars were factory RHD they would be considerably cheaper.
so that adds $15,000 or so (and i assume they have most of the parts ready to bolt in). so 65k mark up on every car. hell of a profit margin.


You can register a LHD car in NSW if it is over a certain age, i think it is 30+ years. Have seen a few old school American muscle cars still in LHD but anything new or newish has to be converted with relevant documentation.
Yeah, it has to be 30yo and on special club rego. australian govt is afraid of LHD for some reason.

[Pickles]

For sure, there is some assumption, there always is with these things, and for sure, if the Mustang ain't built in RHD, it can't come to Aus.
However, Ford are now talking "World" cars, and when I went to my local Ford Dealer this week, they were talking quite openly about the prospect of the Mustang as their performance vehicle, when Falcon production finishes ....in 2015?
Surely Ford will have to have some sort of V8 Performance vehicle.
I know it's not a V8, but Ford made only 11000 Focus Rs's (we had one)..very limited production, yet Ford was able to make these cars in a special production facility & produce them in LH & RH drive.....so, for much larger sales & markets....why couldn't it be done for the iconic Mustang, which I reckon would have a market in any part of the World.
Ain't got nothing definite....I'm "assuming" heaps, but I reckon there's a good chance of a RHD Mustang.
Cheers, Pickles.

[itsme4g63]

Yeah, it has to be 30yo and on special club rego. australian govt is afraid of LHD for some reason.

They don't want too much influence from the big colonies lol

[Jag530G]

Do you know if the same allowance applies to Japan or other RHD Asian countries.?

Here is the wiki-link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic

Japan can have both LHD and RHD cars. India is purely RHD. So Ford could export LHD Mustangs to Japan as well.

I remember a story that Jaguar ended up with a shipment of LHD cars in Japan in the late 80's and they sold better then the RHD cars as LHD was seen to be more of a status symbol.

Cheers, Matthew

[motorin on]

Sydney's Daily Tele (Carsguide) is also talking up a 2015 RHD release of the Mustang to go with the One Ford strategy
Also saying the Pommie version is expected to lose the V8 in favor of a 3.7 V6 or even a 2 litre Ecoboost engine
Iron Block Imports has a 602 H.P. 2010 Camaro with Hennessy supercharger for $81,400 which INCLUDES compliance and conversion -( $27500 for C & C )
Sounds much better than an Ecoboost Mustang

[Pickles]

yep, Similar article in Melbourne Sun today.
Cheers, Pickles.