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DRAGON
20-09-2012, 04:21 PM
My brother is looking at buying my LS1 VZ Calais, and wants to get more power out of it. (I've already done everything else to the car except for engine/gearbox/exhaust mods)

He is looking to go down the cam/heads/OTR/exhaust/tune path, and most likely a MP1900/MP2300 supercharger in the not too distant future.

His aim power wise is to get around the 400rwkw mark.

I've suggested to him that rather than spending his $$ on the existing LS1, it might be a better idea to drop in a L98 or LS3 instead. I explained to him that it's a better starting point, has more future potential, and will be easier to get his desired power figure without having to spend a fortune.

To add a twist to the scenario, I still have a brand new VZ sumped L98 crate motor sitting around for my project car. I would consider selling this to him if it ended up being the better option.

Now the question that we have is that from a power/price ratio, is he better off swapping to a L98, or to a LS3?

From a physical engine perspective, my L98 is ready to drop in, and just requires either a convertor box or a reluctor swap. The LS3 on the other hand would need this as well as a sump swap.

From a rough figure calculation, there seems to be an approx $4000-$5000 price difference between my L98 and getting a LS3 (Based on an example of selling my L98 for $5K, and having to buy a LS3 for approx $8K, shipping it for a few hundred, and then swapping the sumps over)

Using that same example, that sort of price difference easily pays for half a supercharger kit.

From research I've seen that between the L98 and LS3, when both have similar mods there can be an approx 30rwkw difference.

Besides the slight power difference, is there any other compelling reason to spend the extra $$ and get a LS3?

Any advice/suggestions appreciated :)

bozodos
20-09-2012, 04:33 PM
for the price difference, he could get the heads done on the L98 to even it up a bit? Sounds like you're half convinced on that path anyway.

pugz
20-09-2012, 04:45 PM
In my experience I don't think that it is unreasonable to get good power out of either blocks.. Just depends what he wants the car for... Daily.. Or weekend driver/dragger.. The ls1 is a great motor with heads cam exhaust otr.. Quick too...i got a 12.9...with a diff upgrade mine ran a 12.5 on itz first pass...dropped to a pb 12.2 manual

pugz
20-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Sorry might I add that was on 20" rims too....

XUV
20-09-2012, 05:13 PM
Unless the motors a basket case , Mod and Blow the LS1 as it's already there and hooked up .

white lie
20-09-2012, 05:47 PM
That doesn't make sense to me... why spend 15-20k to "blow" the LS1 up? And then nothing is compatible with the LS3, not even the blower, so you have to start from scratch again. It can still be plenty reliable without damaging the motor but the cost is about the same, and like said, you have a better base to build off.

I've gone down the MP1900 route as I figured it would be enough power for me (and it is) but if I want more from here, it's a 383 bottom end or sell it all and convert.

He has to decide exactly what he wants in the end and go from there. Cammed LS3 will still run deep in to the 11's if not a high 10, same deal with the huffer on an LS1.

Getting a bit side tracked from the original question though...
Can you not get an LS3 locally, cheaper than 8k?

boggers007
20-09-2012, 05:51 PM
NJC Corp in Melb :
LS3 Crate Motor (Crate Motor only)
Price: $7,700.00

Then I believe shipping is on top of that. Should come out to 8grand tops I would think.

Edit: GM Motorsport do the L98 or L76 Crate for $6,990 or the LS3 for $7,990.

For a grand the Ls3 would be the pick.

bozodos
20-09-2012, 06:48 PM
CAPA do an L77 for $6k FYI. Really helpful guys to deal with as well.

Tryhard
20-09-2012, 06:51 PM
IMO stick with the l98,cam it,otr,exhaust,fuel system maybe and either a mp1900/2300 blower and tune. That should get you somewhere near the 400rwkw's you're chasing.

dogsballs
20-09-2012, 07:00 PM
buy MY06 L76 calais and do engine mods.

never sell cars to family or friends.

itsme4g63
21-09-2012, 05:10 AM
ls3 can take boost so i would go with that unless you are talking gigantic hp numbers which require a cast iron block motor.

JezzaB
21-09-2012, 06:12 AM
Go the L98 and buy the VZ H112 blower and OTR setup for sale on here. Win win :)