Limited Cash Adventra VZ LX6 or VYII LX8?? [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

danza7

08-10-2012, 08:33 AM

With only limited cash at my disposal, and a need for a nice go anywhere (within reason) wagon, capable or what the Adventra is capable of, I'm faced with a dilema!

Really wanting to get my hands on a modded VZ 05 Adventra, but as they're rare as hens teeth, it seems that I'll have to consider two options:

1) Settle for a VYII/VZ from 04 or 05. Obviously doesn't have all the bells and whistles as a true VZ from 05 but fairly close...?

2) Grab an LX6 VZ as they seem to be more readily available. Yes, they're only V6 but packed with features that will probably do me?

Being fairly new to these things, I was hoping to hear some people who actually own them as to assist me in my decision.

Yes, I understand an LX8 would be more expensive in the fuel dept but with mods and so fourth, they can be greatly improved. LX6's would be possibly better around town but at the end of the day, they don't have the raw power and torque of the 8!

I'm also not considering the SX or the CX models, as I'm going for the works, leather, sunroof, etc.

Look forward to hearing and hopefully making a better judged decision. :)

Big_Valven

08-10-2012, 09:01 AM

Go the LS1, hands down. Not that much changed between VY and VZ.

These CXs are massive & heavy and you need all the power you can get to lug them around. A V6 will probably drink just as much and get you around half as quick to boot. No comparison when you're driving over 2 tonnes of metal.

I don't own one so take that advice as you will but I'd see you being disappointed at the V6.

mickeyVX350

08-10-2012, 09:13 AM

It would help if you knew the product - the CX6 has leather and only lacks a sunroof, subwoofer, dual zone CC and full electric seats. I know, I have one and it's great.

I have a 6cyl, I am more than happy with it - it's no V8, but I am OK with that. The 5 speed auto over the 4 gives you another cog on the highway, and I stuck mine on LPG. After 300K I would say that this is the BEST car I have owned!

HZforMe

08-10-2012, 09:49 AM

Love my VZ LX8 even though it does suck a bit of gas.
I would definitely go the LX myself as the seats moving when you unlock with your key is great (wife is a bit smaller than me) and like the sun roof even though i don't use it much but when you want to it's great.

The LX also has the binnacle gauges although i think the VY has lean angles where as the VZ has the useful oil and volt.

Would be a tough choice picking between the LX spec or the V8 but i didn't have to luckly :yahoo:

danza7

08-10-2012, 12:36 PM

Thanks for the replies, I'm still undecided! Yes, if I go an LX6 and sacrifice an 8, i'll get some other features that aren't in the VYII LX8 or VZ LX8... 5 speed auto is good, gauges too are better useful than lean angles etc. I believe stablisation is also only in the VZ LX6...? Could be wrong though?

I'd be right in continuing to look for that elusive VZ LX8 but I don't think one can be had with the limited cash I have available. Ultimately, having it already modded would be ideal but then again, you have to look at cars with so many kms. Would there be any likely issues with cars that have upwards of 190k on them...?

Previously I had a 98 VT Calais (V6) and then went to a dual cab ute, now back to something a little more suitable for my needs...

The fuel in the 8s though has me worried... it actually has me worried in the 6s also, as mentioned, the car isn't the lightest and chews through the juice even as a V6. Most of its kms will be used to get me to and from work, a bit around town and on the odd trip, so as far as kms go, I wouldn't likely do that many, so the juice might stay in the tank a little longer lol :)

Look forward to hearing from others and learning more before I actually make this decision. An 8 would be great, as the VZ LX8 has quite a lot of power and torque!

macca_779

08-10-2012, 12:39 PM

I wouldn't recommend the 6 to anyone. These cars aren't light and the extra torque from the v8 helps offset the weight and results in similar economy but a massive increase in performance. I did a lot of research when I was looking into them. Ls1 and fit a nice small torquey cam and they are hard to beat as an all round capable commuter.

I was looking at avalanches. The extra little bit of cash gives you alot more car. The brakes are worth it alone as the Holden brakes are utter rubbish for a car this heavy

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Pickles

08-10-2012, 01:26 PM

LX8 for sure...and yes, an Avalanche if the dollars will stretch that far.
Whatever you get, get a GOOD one, not one that's had a heap of commercial use, with High ks, and had the guts thrashed out of it.
Cheers, Pickles.

HZforMe

08-10-2012, 02:27 PM

Don't know what the six would go like as they are very heavy. Ours is standard with about 120k's now and the wife mainly does local running which is short and up and down hills so uses about 17 per 100 although it doesn't take much on the flat or at 100k's to see that to start to fall.

Definitely faster off the line than the old VY exec V6 and in the wet will deal to and SS happily so the wife says.

Also know a guy who had a SX6 from new and said he regretted not getting the LX.

One feature of the Adventra that I don't know why the didn't put in any other wagon is the openning back window.

Actually one of the other threads on here was about a wagon done as a Senator, the first thing that came to mind was everything you would want to do a senator wagon is actually on a LX8. Put all the gear in a 2 wheel drive wagon and your almost there.

danza7

09-10-2012, 07:53 AM

I hear what you're saying about the weight of the vehicle and the need for the power. As far as the models go, I'm sticking with the LX8, just whether I can find myself a VZ (true VZ) not a badged VYII called a VZ!

There seems to be quite a few good VYIIs around but given the improvements between the VYII and the VZ, I feel trying to find a VZ is probably the best bet!

Obviously one with the mods already done, like exhaust and tune would be great then there is the further option of gas that I'm not sure how it would go?? I've never had LPG in a car and don't know how comfortable I'd be driving one with it. Call me old fashioned I guess! :)

I do like the sounds of everything that opens and shuts on these things but to be careful, I just want to make sure the differences outweigh the price. By this I mean, a VYII has some great things but the VZ seems to have more. The vehicle position gauges are useless and the volt and oil are probably a better solution, electric memory seats would be great also and the list goes on quite a bit on redbook.

I'd like to hear from owners of the VZ LX8 as to what is actually on the VZ LX8 and not just listed as on the LX8 but only on the LX6! As I've heard reports that the LX6 has quite a few things the 8 just doesn't have.

Look forward to hearing from owners out there and if possible what are the costs of modding things like the exhaust and lets say a MAFless tune?

team illucid

09-10-2012, 07:57 AM

Weight is a huge factor. I have a 2.7l twin turbo Audi wagon that weighs about the same as my HSV wagon with a 6.2l v8. The Audi costs me approx 50% more per week than the HSV in fuel for similar travel.
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whitels1ss

09-10-2012, 08:14 AM

I've never had LPG in a car and don't know how comfortable I'd be driving one with it. Call me old fashioned ! :)

You are old fashioned! :stick::jester:

LPG is great, you get the best of both worlds, power and economy and they have been testing them and using them
for many years now so they are very safe. There would have to be millions of LPG systems fitted in Australia by now.

macca_779

09-10-2012, 09:11 AM

What's the VZ got the VY2 update doesn't that matters to you. When I was looking the main aspects I was interested in was the VZ spec LS1 and the 4L65 gearbox. Both those are in the VY 2 update

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danza7

09-10-2012, 09:43 AM

I was going through what I could see on various listings on the likes of eBay, Carpoint, Tradingpost etc and also put together a bit of a list from Redbook information on the 2005 VYII and the 2005 VZ. Also referenced the 2005 HSV Avalanche... Keeping in mind that I'm only looking at the LX8 in both models. I'd be interested in hearing from owners of both as to the accuracy of what these sites (Redbook) and so fourth are stating:

VZ 250kW @ 5600rpm of power
VYII 235kW @ 5200rpm of power
VZ 470Nm @ 4800-4800rpm
VYII 460Nm @ 4000-4000rpm
Fuel economy appears to be the about the same?

Apparently VZ has the following over the VYII: (please correct where required)

Dual Zone Climate Control
Brake Assist
Corner Braking Control
Drive by Wire (Electronic Throttle Control) - as does the Avalanche
Electric Drivers Seat with Memory - apparently on the VZ and the Avalanche
Dual Exhaust System (compared to VYII Single)
Level Ride Suspension
Trivial but - Cargo Tie-down rails
Headlamps - See me home / Automatic (light sensitive)
Headrests - Surely this is a misprint!! :)
Map/Reading Lamps 1st and 2nd Row
Memory Card - with Remote (what is this)...
Power Door Mirrors - Surely another misprint....
Power Door Mirrors - Auto Dipping (Reversing)
Power Door Mirrors - With Memory
Premium Sound System - I don't see how that would differ too much to the VYII?
Scuff Plates (on door sills)
Seat - Passenger Lumbar Adjustment Manual
Seats - Anti-submarining 1st Row (front) - what does that mean??
Skid Plate - Front and Rear
Sports Instruments
Sports Seats - 1st Row
Steering Wheel Illuminated
Sports Steering Wheel
Subwoofer - I gather this is in both but apparently only stated in the VZ??
Sunroof - Electric Remote Control - I know they both have this but is the VYII remote?
Suspension - Auto Levelling - Apparently it's in both the VYII and the VZ?
Tailgate with Opening Window (I though this was in both)?

I hope some owners can help me out there, the only physical differences I can see are (my view) a nicer front (even with the chrome insert), I like the bonnet and lines slightly better in the VZ. The rest appears to be literally the same vehicle!

XUV

09-10-2012, 10:10 AM

the last of the VZ'S had a 250kw engine and were fully loaded up with everything , as they were the last .

MY CHOICE http://yahoo.carsales.com.au/private/details/holden-adventra-2005-13259166?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=0&eapi=2&__N=1246+1247+1252+1282+1216&num=15&silo=Stock&items=[Make:HOLDEN,Model:ADVENTRA,BaseEnabledBadge:LX8]&sort=Year
But it's in queensland , could be worth the trip at that price .
my choice in VIC http://yahoo.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/holden-adventra-2004-13275445?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=5&eapi=2&__N=1216+246+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294965857+429496 5724+903&num=15&silo=Stock&sort=Year
COZ IT'S GOT A 3 YR WARRENTY .

danza7

09-10-2012, 10:17 AM

Thanks for the reply, both of those are actually VYIIs as you can tell by the lines and the gauges on the dash! I have my eye on them but would prefer a true VZ... :)

Will take it all on board though. Hopefully I can hear if the features are closer than Redbook would have them!

XUV

09-10-2012, 10:26 AM

yeah 2nd one is and with a closer look , yep the black one is too , i usually look at the bonnet , VY11 is much nicer anyway .

What is your budget ?

macca_779

09-10-2012, 10:30 AM

Can't say for sure as I was looking exclusively at avalanches. But all of those items are in the VY2 update HSV except for that memory card thing and I don't believe brake assist

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danza7

09-10-2012, 10:48 AM

Not very much at all! lol

As its a second car, probably don't want to spend too much but want something and from the looks of the prices on these LX8s, you can get a pretty good one for the low teens! :)

Pickles

09-10-2012, 11:37 AM

Geez, they've dropped in price sinse I last looked at 'em.....if ya get a good one, they'd be great buying around those dollars.
Cheers, Pickles.

danza7

09-10-2012, 12:26 PM

macca_779

09-10-2012, 01:30 PM

Concentrate on the transfer case and front half shafts for leaks. If they're fine everything else is normal commodore stuff.

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John L

09-10-2012, 01:37 PM

I just went through this same process, and ended up buying a VY2 Avalanche. So far the only mod is an edit, but chasing an exhaust at the minute.

From your VYII / VZ list - I can tell you that the VYII has all of the items listed. As far as I can tell there are some minor cosmetic differences between VYII and VZ (in both Adventra and Avalanche). On the Adventra - the VZ has the black plastic insert on the front stretching across the fog lights - where on the VYII the fog lights are in the painted section of the bumper.

The Adventras have different binnacle gauges - on the VYII they're an ascent and roll indicator, but in the VZ they're volts and oil pressure like the Avalanche. The only other change are different sway bar links on a VZ.

I drove my father's VYII Adventra before buying the Avalanche. It was on injected LPG and it makes a fair difference at the pump, especially around town. My Avalanche is running between 16 - 20l/100kms around town, and 12-14l/100kms on a country trip. I don't think you can go in thinking mods will significantly reduce this. The big difference between the 2 for me are the brakes - the Adventra's brakes are too small in my opinion, but the Avalanche brakes are great. I was quoted around $3K (I think) for an upgrade to bigger brakes.

I can't answer the higher km's question, but mine, and my old man's one have just a shade over 100K kms on them - but seem to be holding up well.

Hope this answers some questions for you.

XUV

09-10-2012, 02:01 PM

Alex81

09-10-2012, 03:11 PM

My in laws have a VZ V6 Adventra, if you are going to tow anything it will chew the through the fuel as the in laws are currently getting just over 350km to a full tank towing a caravan. Other than that it not too bad around town but has a decent road presence when on the high way.

planetdavo

09-10-2012, 06:18 PM

Many people aren't aware that the early VZ Adventra's still looked like VY's. They can easily be identified by a VIN starting with 6G1Z, whereas VY's start with 6G1Y. The early VZ's that look like VY's are missing option code TID, which is the code for where the visual changes were introduced. It's not on any plates on the car, but is within the option codes dealers can check.
Remember that you are looking at vehicles many years old now. If you get too hung up on looking for a very specific model, there is quite a chance you will bypass a very clean lower spec/slightly older option and buy a less than wonderful later VZ one. VY Adventra's were all 4L VIN's, meaning they had the vast majority of the upgrades that continued into VZ. A small number of things were specific to VZ, but I HIGHLY recommend you just buy the best example of any variant you can find.

danza7

09-10-2012, 11:54 PM

planetdavo

10-10-2012, 05:44 AM

There were a few things specific to V6 models (like the paddle shifters), as they have a more "modern" spec driveline than the V8's with 4 speed auto.
Note my post above regarding minimal changes is about V8 models rather than V6's, as I don't believe you are really looking too hard at the V6's (and they weren't fitted to VY's anyway).

XUV

10-10-2012, 12:35 PM

This is all good info, thanks heaps for it, making the picture a fair bit clearer. Is it true that half of the specs mentioned aren't even in the LX8 and only (for some reason) apply to the LX6? I've read that somewhere but not sure how true it is... I understand for one that the paddle shift gear changing is only on an LX6 VZ, not the LX8 VZ! I wonder what else they've stuffed up on?

The L,C,SX6 Went on for an extra yr till '06 , where as the L,CX8 were canned in '05 .

And a few options could only be done with the newer 5 speed ie paddle shit and hill decent button ,
but the Cross trac program in the 8 has hill decent at 4kph in it .

danza7

10-10-2012, 12:39 PM

Interesting note about the paddle shift and the hill descent. Not quite sure what it actually does though??

What about the sunroof replacements apparently required by Holden on all Adventras (with sunroofs obviously)!

Seeing as all LX6 and LX8s had sunroofs, they would have had to replace quite a few...? Did everyone have to have theirs replaced?

XUV

10-10-2012, 12:56 PM

Hill decent , push the button b4 going down an offroad hill , gully etc and just steer , no braking needed on your behalf .

the sunroof thing was across the range , it had to be checked and repacked to seal properly , my mates VZ Thunder Crewie had to have it done .

You can check recalls as the put a sticker in the front drivers door jamb , mines got one from when they recalled the brake lines .

danza7

10-10-2012, 02:37 PM

Fair enough, I don't think hill descent would be the be all and end all and I really don't care that much for the paddle-shift trans, gathering from what is on here, plenty are quite happy with the auto in their Adventra's. I just worry when I read that people claim they put their foot down in (stock standard) LX8s and they have to wait for it to kick in... What these people are expecting I don't know. a) the weight of the car and b) the need to get off the line quickly??? Perhaps if we were racing them and you had to get a good jump?? :)

I know its handy having power and yes, I gather the stock standard LX8 can't be as bad as i've read in other posts? Can it?

planetdavo

10-10-2012, 02:48 PM

One needs to be a little open minded with interpreting enthusiasts definitions of a "powerful" car.
To you an Adventra might be quite powerful, but to someone else that wants 400hp on their lawnmower, it's going to feel underpowered.
Best to make your own judgement on this topic.

XUV

10-10-2012, 02:49 PM

a good tune will have it where it should be .

Alex81

10-10-2012, 02:52 PM

Best thing you can do is take one for a drive and see for yourself, the V8's do get up and go but the Adventra is quite a heavy car with the AWD system. I found the V8 version better and easlier to drive than the V6 because you don't need to get up it as much.

macca_779

10-10-2012, 03:41 PM

Performance of the Avalanche is about on par with a stock VX SS it's adequate a tune would help considerably, especially with economy

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Jamolad

10-10-2012, 03:44 PM

Depends obviously on kms and age I guess! I don't know how many kms is reasonable though? I don't really want it to exceed 140-150k kms though. I just see some of them with high 180-190 or anywhere up to 240-250k! I think with those larger kms you might find a few areas that need assisting?

I'm only speaking as having owned a VT Calais and that had its fair share of problems after about 140k+!

Don't rule out the high KM examples without first seeing what work they have had done (backed by receipts/paperwork).

You said yourself your VT got expensive from 140+...but you are looking at Adventras with about 120-140k on them. If the budget is tight be wary of jumping into an Adventra or any Commode approaching mid-100k unless it has had those common mid-100k issues already sorted, as it could end in tears.

You may find one of those in the high-100k range has already had those mid-100k issues sorted at someone else's expense, and the lower starting price due to higher KMs may leave you with change for those mods you want. As opposed to one in the low-100k which is possible more expensive to buy and is about to need bushes, water pump, engine mounts, alternator, tailshaft centre, and whatever else (trying to remember what else I had to have done on my WH between 140-180km).

Not saying don't get a low KM example / not saying get a high KM example - simply saying don't restrict yourself to just those with less than 150km when there aren't a huge amount around to begin with, and the cheaper higher KM example may already have the common issues sorted and will give close to another 100k before it turns to shit again.

Some of those for sale in the low 100k range might be getting sold by people that have previously owned a VT-VZ through that expensive 140-180k period, and they are now selling before 140k for that very reason.

RAWKUS

10-10-2012, 06:10 PM

macca_779

10-10-2012, 07:36 PM

I love my Adventra and it's the pov pack CX8. Doesn't bother me though...still has Berlina Spec climate control, usual electrics, has awesome grip in the wet and not as many things to break down on me or leak and weighs less....need all the help you can get with economy. All the other stuff from the LX I don't need. Had a sunroof in my old car and the amount of times I used it, never missed it since.
Fold down the rear seats, mattress goes in, head down the tracks and have fun.
Only things I would prefer to have is Leather seats, which is what I'll do when I get a retrim (if ever) and Avalanche brakes when I get a blower for her.

You make a good point. I also love the convenience of a wagon. As mentioned before I was in the market for an avalanche at the start of the year. Got over being stuffed around by private sellers so decided to push through and retain our Subaru outback. But after the weekend at Bathurst where I took the subu and slept in it it's really hard to go past a wagon. So today I've been toying around with selling my car which is purely a weekender now and moving to an avalanche for myself. Just not sure if I can live without owning a manual rwd

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vy2ttr

10-10-2012, 09:47 PM

I have a vy lx8 and I have been extremely happy with it. Wife loves the sunroof and leather etc. I just fitted 2 rear leather seats, so now kids can sit in the back, they love it.
Mines stock bar a mafless tune from lsx tuning, a catback exhaust and a set of 22s. It tows the van / car trailer very well. Only drama has been a blown trans, but we do drive it fairly hard.
Ive had it on the beach a few times and it didnt miss a beat, and can be a handful with the traction control switched of in tune.
Overall a very good package, and with the price of them nowdays, they prove great value for money.

danza7

10-10-2012, 11:12 PM

Appreciate all the advice, I will have a good think about it. Just wish there were more of the damn things around (for sale)! Proof though that they are popular and much loved :)

Just a random (not really required) more specific question but what is that memory card with remote thingy?? :)

IJ.

11-10-2012, 06:26 AM

I bought a CX8 VY-II a couple of years back as a donor for a project, it was advertised in the Trading Post at a yard, it had been Traded in and was a company car for a Refrigeration place in Gippsland.

It had a LOT of Km's on it but as I had a new Crate engine I wasn't too concerned, made the trip down to the yard with the Tandem trailer, got to the yard and only saw 1 Addy up on stands, thought it must be out the back expecting a beat up dunger for the $$$, Dude comes out points to it and says that's it, I crawled under it expecting some major carnage underneath... only thing was rusty Discs from sitting, quick spin around the block to verify everything worked handed over the $12K loaded it up for the 350Km tow home.

On the way home my "plans" changed, Water pump was leaking and the rear windscreen wiper didn't work, fixed these 2 issues took it in for a roadworthy, it passed first test paid the rego and have driven it ever since, 230K Km's without putting a spanner on it!

My other car at the time was a Cross6 Vz Tonner, Highway economy in the Wagon is MUCH better, it's thirstier around town if you squirt it off the line but it's a big heavy car, side note I bought the Tonner thinking it's the lightest of the AWD cars... bzzzz weighed the Wagon it was 1970Kg's full tank, Tonner was 2100, actually weighed it at 2 different places as I couldn't believe it.

The Addy is a fantastic Cruiser, I've done multiple interstate trips in it and many 1000's of Km's towing you won't be sorry!

danza7

11-10-2012, 08:23 AM

I had read your story somewhere else about buying that car, it does pay to know what you're looking for and in terms of kms vs wear and tear. The difficulty will always be, has the car been used by a granny, like little driving each week or has it regularly been used by say a family. I'd be thinking although the granny car hadn't been used a lot and has low kms, it might not have experienced the issues yet because it's not exactly doing anything much.

Versus the family car with higher kms which has been used by the family and any problems (you'd like to think) were ironed out.

I sold my Calais with around 188k kms on it after having so much to do since around 140-150k kms. When I sold it, I was having problems with the sills and water among some other things like mysterious airbag light and so fourth. Was a great car as far as the engine and everything else went. In saying that I hear what was mentioned by way of alternator etc. I had to replace the alternator, the regulator, door handle, lock mechanism, there was other stuff but I can't recall now.

Engine-wise though, I've never had too many problems with any Holdens I've driven. Nissan on the other hand is another story! :)

mickeyVX350

11-10-2012, 08:49 AM

dgp

11-10-2012, 09:52 AM

Mate, i have got brochures for both models and have scanned the specification pages for you.
I am listing them in this order - October 2003 brochure pages 1-4, August 2005 brochure pages 1-4

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AventuraSpecsOct2003Brochure_Page_1.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AventuraSpecsOct2003Brochure_Page_2.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AventuraSpecsOct2003Brochure_Page_3.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AventuraSpecsOct2003Brochure_Page_4.jpg

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AdventuraSpecsAug2005Brochure_Page_1.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AdventuraSpecsAug2005Brochure_Page_2.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AdventuraSpecsAug2005Brochure_Page_3.jpg
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa448/dgp8/Adventura/AdventuraSpecsAug2005Brochure_Page_4.jpg

IJ.

11-10-2012, 10:01 AM

DAD!!!! You're back!!!?!?!?!

shhh you weren't meant to notice Son, say hi to your Mum ;)

DGP: Thanks cool brochures!

danza7

11-10-2012, 10:03 AM

That is fantastic, thanks heaps dgp :)

Will read up on what is there. Is that just for the 03 though?

dgp

11-10-2012, 12:37 PM

That is fantastic, thanks heaps dgp :)

Will read up on what is there. Is that just for the 03 though?

All i can go buy is the dates on the brochures, '03 and '05.

Also as mentioned earlier in the thread, the '03 one shows different dash top guages to the '05 one in the brochures.

danza7

11-10-2012, 01:01 PM

All i can go buy is the dates on the brochures, '03 and '05.

Also as mentioned earlier in the thread, the '03 one shows different dash top guages to the '05 one in the brochures.

Sorry about that, I didn't notice they were two different brochures... You can tell its a Thursday! :)

XUV

11-10-2012, 01:58 PM

they are getting rarer to buy , i rekon people have clicked onto they bang for buck ,
anyway havn't seen any at the pickles auction for a while so i checked manhein was fowlers
http://www.manheim.com.au/passenger-vehicles/search?ManufacturerCode=HOLDEN&FamilyCode=ADVENTRA&MinYear=&State=&Keywords=
and there's a true VZ LX8 for under 8k , in brizzy but and a CX6
lx8
http://img.virtualshowroom.com.au/FP1300/AUB01MANF/item/35630/35630891O.JPG
CX6
http://img.virtualshowroom.com.au/FP1300/AUB01MANF/item/34860/34860651O.JPG

danza7

11-10-2012, 02:10 PM

Like the look of the LX8 but the fact it has close to 240k kms and its in Brissy is a bit of a turn off... The price is good though.. I wonder what is wrong with it? Trouble with auctions, i've never been and everyone i've spoken to kind of says to stay away from them, unless you know what you're looking at and can do a bit of tinkering here and there!

Looks the goods though, gather by the gear in the car it was a salespersons car or something?

Why won't they become available here in Vic with slightly less kms, even if they were 4-5k dearer! lol

danza7

11-10-2012, 02:15 PM

What do all you guys think of it? I mean, it looks to have service books with it.....? Its just a pain its from the auctions and you just don't know that much about condition and so fourth.... Plus, its a major hike to get there and back if it all went sour!

I know we mentioned kms and part and that earlier but I just think it may be too many?? Maybe I'm just being unreasonable?? Thoughts

XUV

11-10-2012, 02:22 PM

give them a ring , you'll find them quite informative and forthright ( well the guys at pickles are )
and that LX8 is fixed price pre auction i think , as i don't know how manheim work .

I've bought my XUV at auction , mums vz berlina and dads VE Internatinal wagon , all good no probs .

Yeah , lot of kays , but the price is good and you might get a 3 month warranty when they sell them pre auction ,
give em a call

IJ.

11-10-2012, 02:23 PM

Mine is coming up on 240K now, only thing that shows it's age is the Suspension, Engine/Trans are perfect!

dgp

11-10-2012, 03:10 PM

That LX8 has the original sat nav too. I have heard its pretty ordinary though.

XUV

11-10-2012, 03:40 PM

here ya go in melbourne only 20,000k on the clock at a bargin price 43k , lol
http://australia.trovit.com/cars/index.php/cod.frame/url.http%253A%252F%252Fdigiads.com.au%252Fcarsales %252Fused-cars%252FUSED-2004-HOLDEN-ADVENTRA-STATION-WAGON-CAR-FOR-SALE-MELBOURNE-VIC-3759.htm/id_ad.1Tz1e131z1v1ee/type./what_d.holden%20adventra%20lx8/pos.4/org.1/pop.1/publisher_id./referer_id.1/t.1

danza7

11-10-2012, 03:42 PM

here ya go in melbourne only 20,000k on the clock at a bargin price 43k , lol

I had seent hat one :) lol

Is there somewhere else I need to maybe look?? I try daily on Carpoint, eBay, Gumtree, Tradingpost, watch the auctions, Trovit... Anywhere else??

danza7

11-10-2012, 03:44 PM

I have heard back from Bris and the car has history, apparently it was a dealer book (I guess that means someone traded it in and it wasn't suitable for their yard?).

It has faulty front parkers also... Not quite sure what else, but apparently its in quite good condition. Just unknown really... Who from Bris can check it out?? lol

XUV

11-10-2012, 04:08 PM

will they allow an RACQ TEST they might reciprecate the RACV member price
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/vehicle_inspections

might be overkill , but the price is half of whats going ,
but then you could factor in a holiday with the mrs to queensland to pick car up ,
with a romantic drive thru the hunter wine region ohn the way back , lol

XUV

11-10-2012, 04:11 PM

I had seent hat one :) lol

Is there somewhere else I need to maybe look?? I try daily on Carpoint, eBay, Gumtree, Tradingpost, watch the auctions, Trovit... Anywhere else??

keep an eye on graysonline.com too as they come up every now an then

chocco

11-10-2012, 04:43 PM

You will know when the right one comes along don't rush and don't let emotion get into if you have doubt then walk away.

danza7

12-10-2012, 07:37 AM

Yes, I know that is the case, I don't want to rush in and buy one that has issues and things like that. I don't want to buy something I don't like only for the dream car with all the gear to become available and its too late! :)

I still think the 237k km Adventra in Bris is a few too many kms for my liking. I'm not sure of the service history yet but it'd be interesting to read about it!

What are the expensive services in these? I believe some of the services in the book are dearer than others due to belts and so fourth aren't they?

Swordie

12-10-2012, 09:47 PM

danza7,

What's your budget?

I like the ones with leather interior, easier to keep clean. Stock the V8 feels as quick as a six RWD.

They have quite good 4WD capabilities for what they are. It would be great car to take around Australia. Slightly higher ride height, handle very well on dirt and cross low creaks.

The six is the one Holden should of released first. The V8 was seen as thirsty and not a desirable shape compared to SUVs (e.g. Territory).

Swordie

13-10-2012, 08:42 AM

Stock the V8 feels as quick as a six RWD.

To qualify, stock the VY Adventra felt as quick as my Ecotec V6.

mickeyVX350

13-10-2012, 02:32 PM

I'm coming up to 300,000K in my CX6. I have replaced 2 low beam globes, a front prop shaft and the water pump...

It's a bit creaky in the suspension, but I'm OK with that!

danza7

14-10-2012, 08:51 PM

I can't get my head around this auction one though... Faulty front parkers.... what could that mean (worst case scenario)...

Also, what are the costs (purchase and install) if worst case scenario the motor packed up and I was up for a new/replacement one?

Doing the maths and waiting to hear as much as I can on this one in Bris!

XUV

15-10-2012, 12:19 PM

I can't get my head around this auction one though... Faulty front parkers.... what could that mean (worst case scenario)...

Also, what are the costs (purchase and install) if worst case scenario the motor packed up and I was up for a new/replacement one?

worst case scenario ........... a blown 383 ..... lol

danza7

15-10-2012, 01:05 PM

I've never had to have an engine replaced or anything really like that but what costs would I be looking at if I had to have it done...? Ballpark?

danza7

16-10-2012, 04:42 PM

HZforMe

16-10-2012, 04:47 PM

I have a black one with the tan leather. Nice contrast. The wife picked it as she didn't want the black leather interior. Good choice on her part and I'm pleased I listened.

chocco

16-10-2012, 04:57 PM

Never heard back re: the service history and so fourth so it was too much of a risk (in my view), I could have gone the odd 40k kms less at least and paid a big more :)

Keeping my eyes out for another VZ 05 LX8 anyway, if anyone finds any for a good price? Quicksilver in colour also but as the particular model is almost virtually impossible to track down, just about any colour will be considered!

out of your buget ?, always make a offer

New tyres and reg just paid 12months

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/holden-adventra-2005-13371667?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=1&eapi=2&__N=1246+1247+1252+1282+1216&num=15&silo=Stock&items=[Make:HOLDEN,Model:ADVENTRA,Series:VZ,BaseEnabledBa dge:LX8]&sort=default

danza7

16-10-2012, 05:02 PM

I have a black one with the tan leather. Nice contrast. The wife picked it as she didn't want the black leather interior. Good choice on her part and I'm pleased I listened.

I haven't really taken much notice of the colour of the leather interior, either colour as long as its leather i'd be fairly happy! Why do you prefer the tan?

danza7

16-10-2012, 05:07 PM

out of your buget ?, always make a offer

New tyres and reg just paid 12months

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/holden-adventra-2005-13371667?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=1&eapi=2&__N=1246+1247+1252+1282+1216&num=15&silo=Stock&items=[Make:HOLDEN,Model:ADVENTRA,Series:VZ,BaseEnabledBa dge:LX8]&sort=default

I did already contact this seller I believe, have yet to hear. You're right though, making an offer upfront is probably the best way to go. Then both parties know what you can afford and you know if they're willing to negotiate. I guess thats what I've always done in terms of selling cars, I will generally want to get rid of the car and if someone was to offer me a sum of cash, I'd negotiate the price lower than what was listed :)

That particular price though is maybe out of my range... I don't really have heaps of cash (hence the 'limited cash' term) lol

$10,000-$14,000 and my fingers are crossed... Would be great to get one that already had some mods also as that is cash in my pocket...

chocco

16-10-2012, 05:11 PM

I did already contact this seller I believe, have yet to hear. You're right though, making an offer upfront is probably the best way to go. Then both parties know what you can afford and you know if they're willing to negotiate. I guess thats what I've always done in terms of selling cars, I will generally want to get rid of the car and if someone was to offer me a sum of cash, I'd negotiate the price lower than what was listed :)

That particular price though is maybe out of my range... I don't really have heaps of cash (hence the 'limited cash' term) lol

$10,000-$14,000 and my fingers are crossed... Would be great to get one that already had some mods also as that is cash in my pocket...

Turn up look at the car decide if its what you want, then pull out 12gran in cash, its amazing how the look of the green stuff sways the buyer.

They have already bought another car, did they finance it ?? If so they will be looking for a sale.

The only risk doing it this way is not getting the checked over by a mechanic.

danza7

16-10-2012, 05:18 PM

Turn up look at the car decide if its what you want, then pull out 12gran in cash, its amazing how the look of the green stuff sways the buyer.

They have already bought another car, did they finance it ?? If so they will be looking for a sale.

The only risk doing it this way is not getting the checked over by a mechanic.

What would be the amount to offer on various prices? I mean that one for example is asking $17,650, is $12k cash acceptable. By that I mean is it enough to not be insulting?? Do people actually accept offers for less $5-6k?

HZforMe

16-10-2012, 05:21 PM

I haven't really taken much notice of the colour of the leather interior, either colour as long as its leather i'd be fairly happy! Why do you prefer the tan?

With the black wagon the tan lightens the interior. Had a look at one with the black leather and the inside seemed a bit dark for me. LX8 's have leather and most over here (NZ) have black leather. Had a quick look to see if there are any VZ's on trademe over here and was surprised to see there are only VY2's. When we got ours there was a choice of about 4. As earlier post said the lack of them means people are starting see how good they are and there is no real equivalent alternative.

chocco

16-10-2012, 05:26 PM

What would be the amount to offer on various prices? I mean that one for example is asking $17,650, is $12k cash acceptable. By that I mean is it enough to not be insulting?? Do people actually accept offers for less $5-6k?

Would I be insulted, damn right I would.

However at the end of day you dont know the circumstances behind how quick they want to get rid of the car and how long its been for sale for, always better to go low even if its ridiculous, cause you can always go up, but not down !

I put in a low pirice on my cross 8 and got it, but I had spent months watching the cars for sale and how long they had been for sale for. Dealer was asking 26k and I got it for 22K and that was sight unseen from Cooma, NSW.

HZforMe

16-10-2012, 05:29 PM

What would be the amount to offer on various prices? I mean that one for example is asking $17,650, is $12k cash acceptable. By that I mean is it enough to not be insulting?? Do people actually accept offers for less $5-6k?

Don't know if people would take an offer that low. I wouldn't but you don't know their situation. To me at that amount being ask $3k under would irk me but I wouldn't see it as an insult.

HZforMe

16-10-2012, 05:29 PM

What would be the amount to offer on various prices? I mean that one for example is asking $17,650, is $12k cash acceptable. By that I mean is it enough to not be insulting?? Do people actually accept offers for less $5-6k?

Don't know if people would take an offer that low. I wouldn't but you don't know their situation. To me at that amount being ask $3k under would irk me but I wouldn't see it as an insult.

redvxr8clubby

16-10-2012, 06:13 PM

As a rule a rule of thumb I would say expect to pay at least 10% less than advertised so for $17,650 advertised, I would figure on about $16K, but in saying this we are talking used cars and just because a car is advertised at $x doesn't mean to say it's actually worth that, plenty of people advertising at their dream price, but it's just that - dreaming. It's a matter of shopping around comparing condition, mileage and dollars asked. I'd be thinking maybe offering $13 - $14K if it looks good, and negiotiate from there.

danza7

17-10-2012, 07:15 AM

You bring up the good point, mileage, dollars asked, registration, tyres, service books etc, they all go towards the final offer. Then as has been said, its far easier to work up from a low price, then down from a good high price! lol

IJ.

17-10-2012, 07:21 AM

danza7

17-10-2012, 08:43 AM

You need to dive in sooner or later, there will ALWAYS be a better deal available right after you buy ;)

Your 8K find is one for sure after I paid 12K for mine but and here's the "but" I've had 2 years of faultless service from my Addy and it's been the BEST DD I've ever owned!

Well worth the 4K difference to me!

You're right, there is always a better deal after you buy just about anything! :) ALWAYS the case...

I didn't hear back from the Manheim re: that cheap Addy, apparently it went to auction yesterday and who knows what it went for?? Would have been great to snare it for a steal... Like $3-4k lol :)

I would pay between 10-14k for the right car (if I could find one), just need to make some offers and work out what is best to offer.

Reports this morning that fuel is set to rise again and again has me thinking it needs to be somewhat economical... lol

IJ.

17-10-2012, 08:53 AM

I'm half tempted to enable "Lean Cruise" in mine to see how much of a difference it makes but it might be pushing the 240K Km engine a bit to lean it out ;)

It gets FAR better open road milage than the V6 in the Tonner did and while heavy around town if you stabNsteer driven carefully it's not too bad.

danza7

17-10-2012, 10:06 AM

I'll probably hear negatives on this but, with the fuel consumption of Addy's in general (and other cars to that point), would it be considerable to look at say an LX6 which has the gas system (dual fuel) on it already? I mean, then fuel consumption in say a VZ LX6 is pretty bloody good. Not an LS1 though :(

XUV

17-10-2012, 01:14 PM

re price offer , offer them the redbook min trade-in price .

danza7

17-10-2012, 02:45 PM

re price offer , offer them the redbook min trade-in price .

So for an 05 VZ LX8 - Trade In $10,800 - $13,000 (avg kms 110,000 - 180,000)

" for an 05 VYII LX8 - Trade In $9,300 - $11,400 (avg kms 110,000 - 180,000)

Very interesting...! :)

XUV

17-10-2012, 03:43 PM

So for an 05 VZ LX8 - Trade In $10,800 - $13,000 (avg kms 110,000 - 180,000)

" for an 05 VYII LX8 - Trade In $9,300 - $11,400 (avg kms 110,000 - 180,000)

Very interesting...! :)
that's the price you'll pay at auction ,
I've bought 3 cars at auction and watched a heap and all prices have fallen into the min trade-in price .

And that's the good thing about it , if you're not happy with what you've bought , you can piss it off fast at a cheap price
or get ya money back trading it in .

danza7

18-10-2012, 11:22 AM

that's the price you'll pay at auction ,
I've bought 3 cars at auction and watched a heap and all prices have fallen into the min trade-in price .

And that's the good thing about it , if you're not happy with what you've bought , you can piss it off fast at a cheap price
or get ya money back trading it in .

How do you go at auctions? What is the process? Can anyone just show up, register and buy a vehicle for a bidding price?

XUV

18-10-2012, 11:37 AM

How do you go at auctions? What is the process? Can anyone just show up, register and buy a vehicle for a bidding price?
Yep .

i bought mine online , Pickles Auction is easiest online ,

and yes just turn up at auction and register , go to their webpage pickles.com.au and read .

You can view the car a week or so before auction , then turn up or bid online .

do an observes auction first , so you've got the softwear loaded up online , or turn up at the auction site and see what goes on .

danza7

26-10-2012, 10:46 AM

Not having too much luck locating an 05 VZ LX8... They seem to be getting rarer and rarer, perhaps I need to look at other options? Maybe I can't find one for a good reason... People do say, 'everything happens for a reason' - maybe its a sign! lol

vy2lx8

26-10-2012, 12:18 PM

i picked up an 04 vy2 LX8 for a great price and i'm very happy with it even though it has done a few km. Any reason you particularly want the vz?

danza7

26-10-2012, 12:30 PM

i picked up an 04 vy2 LX8 for a great price and i'm very happy with it even though it has done a few km. Any reason you particularly want the vz?

Yes, mainly outlined earlier in this forum, there are a few little differences here and there that make (for mine) the VZ a more sought after choice. Its just my personal preference I guess!

Glad your VY2 LX8 is going well. I will get one eventually, just hopefully something will come up soon. If it has mods, even better!

vy2lx8

26-10-2012, 12:33 PM

To the best of my knowledge, the main differences lie between the 6cyl variants not so much the 8cyl. Apart from the 4l65, brake booster and electronic throttle that is.

macca_779

26-10-2012, 03:17 PM

To the best of my knowledge, the main differences lie between the 6cyl variants not so much the 8cyl. Apart from the 4l65, brake booster and electronic throttle that is.

VZ spec LS1 and 4L65 is in VY2 update models. You just have to be careful as people miss advertise them most of the time. Just look for engine bay pics for the VZ larger black MAF

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vy2lx8

26-10-2012, 03:26 PM

i thought when they went to 'true' vz, they all had FBW? if so, thatd be the easiest way to tell. Anyhow, i dont feel the differences are worthy of hanging out for a VZ when the vy2 update is essentially the same. Only difference is the front bar and the binnacle guages. That said i have a vy2 (pre update) and i dont regret the descision one little bit, i specifically wanted cable throttle as i have a cable driven harrop blower for it...

macca_779

26-10-2012, 03:29 PM

Vy has the better looking front anyway I reckon. Especially the avalanches.

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IJ.

26-10-2012, 04:31 PM

VZ spec LS1 and 4L65 is in VY2 update models. You just have to be careful as people miss advertise them most of the time. Just look for engine bay pics for the VZ larger black MAF

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I asked the guys at Holden based on my Addy's VIN, they said it's a Vy series 2 but it's a Cable throttle and 4L60E??
(seriously confused now)

macca_779

26-10-2012, 04:57 PM

I asked the guys at Holden based on my Addy's VIN, they said it's a Vy series 2 but it's a Cable throttle and 4L60E??
(seriously confused now)

Yes there is a difference between vy2 and "vy2 update". More or less my05

IJ.

26-10-2012, 05:19 PM

Yes there is a difference between vy2 and "vy2 update". More or less my05

See confusing ;)

thanks for sorting that one!

chocco

26-10-2012, 05:24 PM

Yes there is a difference between vy2 and "vy2 update". More or less my05

All the LS1 Addy's came with 4l60E, Cross 8 came with 4l65E and HSV Avalanche came with 4l65E.

If you aint towing then dont worry about it.

edelbrock1

28-10-2012, 10:33 AM

What would be the amount to offer on various prices? I mean that one for example is asking $17,650, is $12k cash acceptable. By that I mean is it enough to not be insulting?? Do people actually accept offers for less $5-6k?

Do not be scared to offer a low price. What is the worst that can happen? They say no.

I just bought my '03 CV8 with 117k's, Harrop brakes all round, full exhaust and tune for $20k.

My brief was to buy a "monaro" for $20k, it had to be an '03 to get the VY style dash, but other than that I had no other requirements. I was expecting a beat up high K version for the cash..

Saw this one sitting on the side of the road with a for sale sign. Stopped for a look and called the owner to come down for a look. I was lucky I had my paint n Panel mate with me to go over it. All factory paint except for the Fluted bonnet that had been installed, so no crash damage. We didnt talk price, as I knew it would be way out of my range. Told the owner we would think about it and get back to him.

Few days later I called him up for an 'honest' chat. Told him that I liked the car but it needed some work here and there and that all I could offer was 20k. He asked if I was serious as it was on Carsales for $27k. I crapped on about how it needed this and that (Tyres, a good clean andso forth), Then told him that I was a serious buyer with the cash and that it is a buyers market and there was a lot for sale at the moment. Then added that I would have my arse in one of these cars by the end of the week, so if it wasnt his car, it would be someone elses. He told me that someone had already offered that amount and that if he wasgoing to sell that cheap it would go to the other guy.

So I went and told the missus that we missed that car and would have to start looking for another. She told me to ring back and offer some more. I said Nope, if he is serious about selling he will ring me back.

Within 1/2 hour he called back and accepted the offer.

Happy happy days. Car has not missed a beat in the 10k that I have driven it.

So long story short, you have nothing to loose and everything to gain from making a silly low offer.

danza7

29-10-2012, 07:53 AM

Do not be scared to offer a low price. What is the worst that can happen? They say no.

Within 1/2 hour he called back and accepted the offer.

Happy happy days. Car has not missed a beat in the 10k that I have driven it.

So long story short, you have nothing to loose and everything to gain from making a silly low offer.

Nice story, hopefully something like this will take place when I finally find something that suits my brief! :)

Red Beard

29-10-2012, 08:37 AM

I asked the guys at Holden based on my Addy's VIN, they said it's a Vy series 2 but it's a Cable throttle and 4L60E??
(seriously confused now)

When I had to get some parts for my Cross 8, they looked at the VIN and said it comes up as an 03 Crewman SS Cross 8.

The "SS" bit confused me.

XUV

29-10-2012, 11:51 AM

When I had to get some parts for my Cross 8, they looked at the VIN and said it comes up as an 03 Crewman SS Cross 8.

The "SS" bit confused me.
Cross 8's had SS spec .

IJ.

29-10-2012, 12:49 PM

When I had to get some parts for my Cross 8, they looked at the VIN and said it comes up as an 03 Crewman SS Cross 8.

The "SS" bit confused me.

I think the "SS" pack was an interior trim thing?
(I got a shifter bezel from one to get the TRAC switch before finding out you can't disable TRAC on a CrossTrac car ever)

XUV

29-10-2012, 01:08 PM

?
(I got a shifter bezel from one to get the TRAC switch before finding out you can't disable TRAC on a CrossTrac car ever)

it's what keep you on the road ........... well in the shed ....... lol

XUV

29-10-2012, 01:39 PM

nice CX8 up in sydney http://www.pickles.com.au/cars/item/-/details/CP-01-04--Built-01-04--Holden--Adventra--VY-II-CX8--Wagon--5-Seats--4-Doors/103234871
http://www.pickles.com.au/getPublicStockImage?id=104065253

chocco

29-10-2012, 08:37 PM

http://www.carlins.com.au/vehicles/DNR/U68737

warlobo

30-10-2012, 08:24 AM

if you tune the 5.7 right and don't drive it like a race car the 8 wouldn't use much more fuel at all. you can activate a lean burn option for hwy use and get 12l/100 or less, I've had a few and love them, build the VE AWD Holden (in our dreams hey. )

Gonna sell an Avalanche if you're interested? Loads of spares and options and bits to enhance. (PM if serious I'm in VIC) But regardless it's a heavy car and you'll spew if you get a 6 imo, get an 8 and tune it. I had an adventra 12/2005 reg (still got it but bingled actually) cam exhaust tuned 330kw or just over from memory and fully loaded on the Hume I was easily getting 12/13l/100 and 500+ km a tank without driving at 100 just quietly..

I have some MHT USA custom alloys brand new for an adventra/avalanche if anyone interested, deeeeeep dish 20 x 8 and 20 x 10 305/30's on rear (same as LS6 vettes) dont think they'd fit much else but perfect on the wagons or utes..

mickeyVX350

30-10-2012, 11:12 AM

I'd be keen to chat about an avalanche :)

IJ.

30-10-2012, 12:15 PM

STOP Hoarding cars Son, I'll tell ya Mother ;)

danza7

01-11-2012, 07:47 AM

Here is a question that is puzzling me... Aren't VIN numbers meant to be unique? I mean if you come up with a car with the same VIN (considering the models are the same) is it safe to say its shonky? I'll explain after I hear what people reckon...

IJ.

01-11-2012, 07:58 AM

100% Shonky if 2 cars have identical VINS.

danza7

01-11-2012, 08:09 AM

100% Shonky if 2 cars have identical VINS.

Ok well let me explain...

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=13633068&keywords=&trecs=27&__sid=13996C9210F0&__Ns=pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Qpb=1&__Nne=15&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__N=834%201216%201246%201247%201252%201282%2042949 65724%204294965857%204294739203&silo=1011

Now let me put a bit of a spin on it...

http://www.manheim.com.au/passenger-vehicles/item/itemunavailable?itemID=000000000003563089

Now compare the VIN numbers.....

If this is right, it would appear car A has the kms wound back and a few changes like a clean and detail, some new tyres and new rego. It would also appear as the service books are not available with car B...

Need I say more....? I thought it was a chance at traveling to QLD to check and possibly purchase that one... Not going though without service books/history and with the same VIN number as one that had done 250k+ kms!

IJ.

01-11-2012, 08:23 AM

No idea what's going on there... 1 car has a cargo cage as well... different rego numbers, 2nd one is sold anyway

danza7

01-11-2012, 08:27 AM

No idea what's going on there... 1 car has a cargo cage as well... different rego numbers, 2nd one is sold anyway

That was my point... I would maybe assume if the VIN numbers are the same, they've removed the cargo cage, done a few changes inside and then wound back the speedo! I don't know.... This just seems really weird... Does anybody else have a VZ LX8 that has a VIN number which is the same??

IJ.

01-11-2012, 08:37 AM

VIN is specific to ONE CAR only, it's the unique identifier, the prefix is generic and denotes the type of car, the last 6 digits are for that car only, in this case they're identical so something Suss is going on :(

XUV

01-11-2012, 11:12 AM

Ok well let me explain...

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=13633068&keywords=&trecs=27&__sid=13996C9210F0&__Ns=pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&__Qpb=1&__Nne=15&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__N=834%201216%201246%201247%201252%201282%2042949 65724%204294965857%204294739203&silo=1011

Now let me put a bit of a spin on it...

http://www.manheim.com.au/passenger-vehicles/item/itemunavailable?itemID=000000000003563089

Now compare the VIN numbers.....

If this is right, it would appear car A has the kms wound back and a few changes like a clean and detail, some new tyres and new rego. It would also appear as the service books are not available with car B...

Need I say more....? I thought it was a chance at traveling to QLD to check and possibly purchase that one... Not going though without service books/history and with the same VIN number as one that had done 250k+ kms!

looks like someones pulled a shiffty , he bought it for half price , cleaned it up REAL well ......... he/she should be reported ......... offer him 8k for his troubles

chocco

01-11-2012, 12:04 PM

Sorry about the dodgy lead maybe the next one

chocco

01-11-2012, 01:12 PM

To many kms ?

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271091726676

danza7

01-11-2012, 02:03 PM

To many kms ?

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271091726676

Yes, too many kms... :)

mickeyVX350

01-11-2012, 03:42 PM

STOP Hoarding cars Son, I'll tell ya Mother ;)

Sorry Dad - I'm down to 2 after I gave your Daughter in law the boot! Might be time for a present for myself to make me feel better!

chocco

01-11-2012, 04:40 PM

danza7

01-11-2012, 05:25 PM

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=D2922102202755

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=D515802268431

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=TP005466281

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Used-Cars/AdNumber=D824902276865

This should keep you busy

Cheers mate, I've already checked em all out, but nothing really grabs me like a VZ! :)

Just for fun, look at this... Not interested in buying it but read the description... What mods are they talking of...?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mornington/cars/2006-holden-adventra-wagon/1008824714

IJ.

06-11-2012, 09:33 PM

WOW the arse has fallen out of these things pricewise.....

danza7

08-11-2012, 07:17 AM

WOW the arse has fallen out of these things pricewise.....

The strange thing is though that people seem to want to have them for sale but now budge on their prices... They'd prefer to have them for sale and not budge on a high price. They're not selling as quick as you'd think, so its a bit of a mystery why cash in the pocket isn't the preferred outcome! :)

IJ.

08-11-2012, 08:52 AM

There's a couple of the Sub 10K ones I'd just pay the asking price for if they're in fair condition knowing just how good mine has been over the last 2 years ;)

mickeyVX350

08-11-2012, 08:58 AM

At the end of the day, those with them know how good they are - sometimes it isn't worth giving them away to someone who is lowballing you, doing them a favour by dropping your price, and losing a great vehicle.

I know how good my Addy is, and the $$ I'd want to sell it are higher than someone would pay - but then again, I love my Addy, and it's not going to get given away!

If it's what you want, buy it!

warlobo

17-11-2012, 10:08 AM

I agree if they still made them new I'd keep buying them they're great

warlobo

17-11-2012, 10:11 AM

I'd be keen to chat about an avalanche :)

crikey time flys I just wander randomly through here and clearly dont always come back to threads I've been on, still got it, off interstate soon and havent tried to sell it yet, but time a factor now so will have to get off my ass, still want to chat? can do that... prefer to sell it lol but if just info all good had a few in last 10yrs std to far from so know a bit.

pm I'll check a few times this week (I'll make a note to cause not always here). Almost 6 mths so if you're married with kids now thats cool too

warlobo

17-11-2012, 10:23 AM

Ad you mentioned is gone but I've had a few, lowered em with adjustable coil overs and found 2'' was about right, any lower it took on that lowered car feel, bouncy, rough, bumpy etc, could run 12.5'' tyres on 20 x 10 rims without rubbing, handled great but rode comfy still, never bottomed out on country roads, even at high speed. hsv brakes are a good upgrade, I think the ve bits can be mixed and matched now as well too achieve same result.

tune exhaust and hsv air box basic mods allow 220 to become 300 or more kw pretty cheap and quick. after that mods go to next level and beyond "limited" cash

Cheers mate, I've already checked em all out, but nothing really grabs me like a VZ! :)

Just for fun, look at this... Not interested in buying it but read the description... What mods are they talking of...?

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mornington/cars/2006-holden-adventra-wagon/1008824714

chocco

14-12-2012, 05:40 PM

Dont know if you are still looking but this one started out at $17000 is now down to $14000 buy it now, bidding starting at $13000, I think you were looking at this one but the price was to high.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Holden-Adventra-LX8-2005-4D-Wagon-4-SP-Automatic-5-7L-Multi-Point-F-INJ-/170957297091?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item27cdd955c3

No Bids as yet.

LS2CALAIS

17-12-2012, 06:04 PM

Whats a decent & cheap brake upgrade on these? Standard brakes are horrible in a tuned example & i'm having trouble finding something to bolt up that wont cost $3k plus...

IJ.

17-12-2012, 06:10 PM

Whats a decent & cheap brake upgrade on these? Standard brakes are horrible in a tuned example & i'm having trouble finding something to bolt up that wont cost $3k plus...

Doubt you'll fine a "Cheap" Option due to the Disc offset in the front of the AWD cars, Rears can use any of the common upgrade parts.

Ended up building my own kit after a fruitless search.

LS2CALAIS

17-12-2012, 06:27 PM

What did you use up front?

IJ.

17-12-2012, 06:33 PM

355mm 2010 Camaro DBA 5000's and Wilwood 6 spots.

SV6000 DBA 4000 rears and Wilwood 4 spots.

XUV

19-12-2012, 01:07 PM

Hey , was a wondering if ya had tried BMW X5 brakes and discs , as they're a 5 x 120 stud pattern , that's all .

IJ.

19-12-2012, 02:09 PM

Hey , was a wondering if ya had tried BMW X5 brakes and discs , as they're a 5 x 120 stud pattern , that's all .

Who me?

Offsets are all wrong, hat height is too high to go onto the CrossTrac Hubs.

VE Redline uses the same front rotor I used.

XUV

19-12-2012, 02:34 PM

just a random thought , which can be put to rest .

LS2CALAIS

20-12-2012, 01:24 PM

What dogbones are you using with the Wilwoods IJ.?
VE Redline disks are easy to source, as are aftermarket calipers... Just in need of info regarding dogbones. Will Avalanche dogbones marry up to VE Redline Brembo calipers?

IJ.

20-12-2012, 01:28 PM

LS2CALAIS

20-12-2012, 02:26 PM

Would you be interested in making me a set if i sent you a pair of calipers?? :) :)

IJ.

20-12-2012, 02:30 PM

Would you be interested in making me a set if i sent you a pair of calipers?? :) :)
In the New Year for sure :)

Are you going to use the Camaro/Redline Rotors?

LS2CALAIS

20-12-2012, 03:36 PM

pm sent :D

IJ.

20-12-2012, 03:57 PM

I'd reply but your box is full ;)

LS2CALAIS

20-12-2012, 04:01 PM

Cleaned :)

danza7

31-12-2012, 07:30 AM

chocco

31-12-2012, 09:58 AM

In terms of brake pads, what is the preferred pad to use on Adventras? I've been suggested that Bendix VT or something are better than the Holden regular pads? Are you better to go with something better? If so what? :)

Just put a pair of EBC reds on mine, dusty as hell and will chew the crap out of the rotors, and pulls up nicely, mines not a daily though, only does 5000k a year.

What did you end up getting, any pics ???

IJ.

31-12-2012, 10:13 AM

Ti stripe Bendix on my Addy, EBC Yellows on the Tonner, Bendix wear well provide adequate braking and don't look to be wearing the Rotors much with minimal dust, EBC's are a couple of steps up in all of the above (wear more, better braking, more rotor wear and more dust)

dgp

01-01-2013, 07:10 AM

Just put a pair of EBC reds on mine, dusty as hell and will chew the crap out of the rotors, and pulls up nicely, mines not a daily though, only does 5000k a year.

What did you end up getting, any pics ???

I would have thought if the pads are that dusty, they are the items that are wearing out, not the rotor.

super coach

12-06-2013, 11:00 AM

So im just doing some research first before committing to anything, I have always liked the adventras from the get go when I was invited to a drive day. Always liked the LX8 in cove colour. Have been looking around on car sales and have seen some nice ones that appeal to me, the prices certainly have come down which also appeals to me, the only thing that doesn’t is some have high km and some people are asking way to much.

Im kinda set now on a VZ as opposed to the VY/VYII, as the VZ gets the better stuff, like better steering and better cooling system. I’m leaning towards a VZ LX6 as it has the 5-speed auto, active select, EBA, ESP and Hill Descent over the LX8. Although most of the driving will be done in the suburbs but more so it gives me a car to enjoy down the shack in the sand dunes and on the beach – just a flexible car that can go almost anywhere.

Question I have is the VZ LX6 great for what it has to offer over the LX8? Im worried about the kms on the Alloytec as I have heard that after awhile they start to develop problems in terms of sludge and wear etc at high kms.

Im looking for either a shanghai red or odyssey with the Circa leather colour and hopefully all the fruit eg sat nav, dvd, Bluetooth.

Have found a VZ LX6 shanghai with all the features minus the circa leather which I can live with, can always change it later, it has 120km on the clock.

IJ.

12-06-2013, 11:06 AM

Steering is the same..

VZ gets much better brakes and while the cooling system is "different" not sure that it's "better" it does have far less fail points than VY.

super coach

12-06-2013, 12:29 PM

I thought the VZ got the upgraded power steering pump over the first VY, maybe VYII already got the upgrade. I guess im comparing the VZ to VY noT VYII. what are some of the fail points on a VY? The VZ appeals to me more for a few little reasons, it should have bugs fixed from VY, gets little things like better binnacle gauges and interior trim and steering wheel, also cosmetic on outside with alloy's as im interested in the LX model.

IJ.

12-06-2013, 12:37 PM

Got a different pump again not sure it it's better as such, still the same Carbage Rack though...

I meant fail points in the Cooling system, VY has the hard pipe crossover and multiple hoses and clamps all potential fail points, agreed the Z wheels are a 1000x better than the Y's (could crap in a bucket and it'd look better than the Y wheels) ;)

Binnacle gauges are actually useful agreed, don't take this that I'm pushing one over the other they're both great underrated cars!

I like the front end styling much better on the VZ, so much so that I bought all the Z Panels for my VZ CrossTrac Tonner, I also have a VY Addy.

mickeyVX350

12-06-2013, 01:32 PM

Here's a word from the experienced...

I just bought a brand new Captiva, but I STILL have my VZ CX6 Adventra - I can't bring myself to part with it, why???

IT'S A F*CKING FANTASTIC CAR! Best and most versatile thing I have owned. Leather interior, gadgets... It's great.

Engine wear... Someone had better tell mine that high Ks are bad, because at 300,000KM and only ever having the water pump replaced, this thing is bulletproof. It has also spent the last 140K on LPG. I replaced the tyres twice in the last 140K, and replaced a front drive shaft. I have a rattle in the rear left shock (the housing rattles) and the steering creaks. I'd drive it around OZ tomorrow and wouldn't bat an eyelid!

I did try to sell it, but it only costs 600 a year to have on hand.

...PS my Captiva is a ripping car too.

super coach

12-06-2013, 03:15 PM

thanks mickey so the LX6 aint bad cars being a V6 in the Adventra body shape with all their extra features over a V8?

I just thought I had read somewhere that the alloytec's start to develop a few problems once you have high km's.

mickeyVX350

12-06-2013, 04:11 PM

Perhaps they do, but I take mine from an ownership perspective. I do all my own servicing, and I'm no mechanic.

I have had timing chain noise on startup since 170K, it hasn't really progressed.

The 6 is a bit lethargic, and a bit heavy on fuel - I did wonder what the 8, LPG and tuned would be like? I suspect perhaps it'd be a close call economy wise.

They are long, and don't turn exceptionally well in urban areas, I live in the sticks and drive long distances, for that, it is awesome. I got it out the other day to take all my gear to a gig - got most of it behind the rear seat, where I usually have to fold the seats down in the Captiva and play a hell o0f a game of tetris!

IJ.

12-06-2013, 04:40 PM

The 6's are hobbled by ESP, I always thought mine was a total dog compared to the V8 in the Adventra but it was just the ESP doing it's thing in the background.

super coach

12-06-2013, 11:58 PM

so the LX6 might not be all its cracked up to be with the 5 speed auto, hill descent and ESP?

IJ.

13-06-2013, 08:11 AM

so the LX6 might not be all its cracked up to be with the 5 speed auto, hill descent and ESP?

They're good safety features and make the cars so stable it's quite amazing but getting from one car to the other makes the V8 "seem" 3x more powerful when in fact it's only got another 40Kw at the Crank...

With my Tonner there was no mention in the owners handbook or anything online regarding the ESP and being the LoPo V6 I just thought it was underpowered in the extreme after a direct comparison between it and the Adventra, wasn't until I started the V8 swap and found the G Sensor that I started questioning it and it's behaviour on loose surfaces.

The other downside to the V6 was less than stellar fuel consumption, open road cruising it was slightly worse then the V8 in town only slightly better, towing a good deal worse.

XUV

13-06-2013, 11:12 AM

The 6 is a bit lethargic, and a bit heavy on fuel - I did wonder what the 8, LPG and tuned would be like? I suspect perhaps it'd be a close call economy wise.
!

it's what i told my bro, find one that's had all the mods , tune, air, exhaust and if ya find an 8 on gas even better.

The 8's still got hill decent as a sort of default ie go down a hill no foot on throttle and it'll try not to go over 5kph.

Supercoach you'll regret the v6 if you get it.

mickeyVX350

13-06-2013, 12:53 PM

it's what i told my bro, find one that's had all the mods , tune, air, exhaust and if ya find an 8 on gas even better.

The 8's still got hill decent as a sort of default ie go down a hill no foot on throttle and it'll try not to go over 5kph.

Supercoach you'll regret the v6 if you get it.

I wouldn't say that you'll regret it! As I have said, I wouldn't have mine any other way - it's not supposed to be a street weapon. But I did wonder about a direct comparo. I was getting about 600K on a tank of ULP, It used to cost $50 to go 400K in 2010, so not too bad. LPG sliced that to about 2/3. I know that the 8 was mooted to go around 450K from the same tank, so that's more like $80!

I'd compare the pros and cons based on the key points you want. If it's economy, well you can use a group of figures from forum members, if it's power, well you can't beat the 8.

Don't dismiss the CX6 Either, it's leather, climate, cruise, stacker, semi electric driver's seat, flappy paddles :)

edelbrock1

14-06-2013, 07:22 AM

I have a rattle in the rear left shock (the housing rattles) and the steering creaks. I'd drive it around OZ tomorrow and wouldn't bat an eyelid!

.

Steering Creaks? Tell me more. I have heard a few stories about AWD steering creaking and groaning, like the rack as had enough. Do you know where the noise comes from?

Red Beard

14-06-2013, 09:48 AM

Steering Creaks? Tell me more. I have heard a few stories about AWD steering creaking and groaning, like the rack as had enough. Do you know where the noise comes from?

My Cross 8 makes a bit of a noise, I always thought it was more of a clicking more than a creaking, but it's going next week to get the steering checked out, both front drive shafts were fixed last week, under the extended used car warranty, when the service manager test drove it, he thought the steering was too heavy, fine when cruising, but too heavy in corners and roundabouts. He asked me to bring it back, to check the pump and rack while there still covered by the warranty. I haven't really noticed in the last week, but maybe having the drive shafts fixed has gotten rid of the "clicking", I'll have to turn the music down and have a listen.

mickeyVX350

14-06-2013, 02:57 PM

Steering Creaks? Tell me more. I have heard a few stories about AWD steering creaking and groaning, like the rack as had enough. Do you know where the noise comes from?

I think it's bushes to be honest - but it's been doing it for 120,000K so I don't really worry too much. No abnormal tyre wear, heavy to steer but I tolerate it as I am huge with big muscles*....

*I'm actually 5"7' and 68KG and work in IT

Red Beard

15-06-2013, 10:30 PM

The "clicking" noise I was hearing seems to be gone, so it must have been something to do with the front drive shafts, CV joints I'm guessing. I don't mind the heavy steering in mine, although occasionally it feels like it's losing its power assistance when turning in roundabouts, bloody heavy then I tell you, lucky I'm 128kg and heavy lifting is my job.

fudge

17-07-2013, 07:07 PM

Hi,1st time poster here:wave:.
I found this thread in my search for info about LX8's and seemed to be close to the mark for my query if I can pluck your learned minds please. I apologise to the OP as I don't want to hijack but this thread seems to cover abit but not all (I think). I've had a VZ CX6 for a couple of years now and love the car to bits. I find with doing more towing these days I would like to go to a LX8. After reading a lot of this thread I see that VZ LX8's(not VYII upgrades) are pretty rare?? Am I right in assuming this??.
I also can't seem to find much about what colours they came in, seems to be only 4 of which white isn't one.
Any help/advice appreciated, cheers Jeff