VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics from post #216 onwards

[macca_779]

I like it better than the VE. This is the Commodore Holden should've had out 3 years ago.

Cant wait to see the rest of the range. Especially the SS

I love it. This is a massive jump over VE. The tech and design in the VF is the biggest jump in a mid cycle update i think we've ever seen. The resale of VE just fell out the arse.

[Evman]

8" touch screen
Configurable HUD
E-Brake (no more handbrake)

[SUPERH2377]

so does that mean no MANUAL any more if every commy has auto park how will it work then if they do
no mention of xenon lights either

[falcom]

I hope they don't price themselves out of the market .

Taking into account that large car sales are dropping they will have to price this very very well to move significant numbers .

Car looks the goods. Can't wait to see SS.

[Evman]

Cruise control controls have been moved to the left steering wheel spoke

[seedyrom]

Bigger pic

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/857003_417571081663694_1128239106_o.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/user/HoldenAustralia

Seems to be just gadgets ?

[SUPERH2377]

notice the collingwood thyme with the black stripe on the white leather

[bouka]

Stunning!

Well done Holden!

[Evman]

Looks like electric seat warmers too, the buttons are under the centre air vents

[Smitty]

lots of pics here -

http://theage.drive.com.au/photogallery/new-holden-commodore-vf-20130210-2e64k.html


I think it looks very good ...

but 2 things I don't like-
the steering wheel had had an ugly attack, terrible to look at
and bad move in placing the Pwr window switch on the drivers door.

How does Mum (frt seat passenger) control the windows for the kids in the back?
without disturbing Dad (who is driving and should not have to play with window switches)
bad..and unsafe Holden!

[pplater]

Here are a few links with more info on the car:

Holden reveals new VF Commodore
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/holden-reveals-new-vf-commodore-20130210-2e611.html

VF Commodore: What's new and what's not
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/vf-commodore-whats-new-and-whats-not-20130210-2e618.html

Holden VF Commodore: High-tech pitch
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/holden-vf-commodore-hightech-pitch-20130210-2e60j.html

Inside the new Commodore
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/holden-vf-commodore-from-the-drivers-seat-20130210-2e60v.html

The design story
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/holden-vf-commodore-design-story-20130210-2e617.html

VE Commodore in for a rough couple of months
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/commodore-in-for-a-rough-couple-of-months-20130210-2e60q.html

[Goggles]

wonder what HSV will do?

[W427GOT1]

looking at photos of the VE....looks dated now.....a good thing.
VF will have its own stage i think

[Evman]

I wonder if they're going to continue with the unique dash layouts between sport and luxury models

[zorro]

Looks like a Chrysler Sebring......

[Plenty]

Cruise control controls have been moved to the left steering wheel spoke

Thank God for that, the Falcons set point cruise is so much more intuitive than the VE stalk twist and turn style.

[SCiFiRE]

Big change!

http://i.imgur.com/E2Va2Nw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xCW4eq5.jpg

[Plenty]

Another big plus in my book is the use of soft touch materials, do away with the old hard scratchy plastics and replace with nice supple leather and suede finishes. The dash is even finished in stitched leather and suede. very good move in my book.

Remembering though they have wowed us with the prestige model be actually interesting to see the base model.

[Jag530G]

Another big plus in my book is the use of soft touch materials, do away with the old hard scratchy plastics and replace with nice supple leather and suede finishes. The dash is even finished in stitched leather and suede. very good move in my book.

Remembering though they have wowed us with the prestige model be actually interesting to see the base model.

The interior of the Calais is from another world compared to what we've got from Holden the past. They have definitely looked at what Cadillac have been doing lately. Beautiful finishes inside.

Cheers, Matthew

[Plenty]

Clay model of the SS-V

HERE (http://media.gm.com/apps/gm/docroot/img/1pxsp.png)

[Evman]

Electric power steering. I always liked the VE steering so will be interesting to see how that changes

[Ghia351]

Why do I keep thinking Chrysler Sebring?

Love the tech features, this has often been quoted as a main source of let down in FG/VE over the top end Kia, Hyundai's, and a myriad of others etc... I can see a spike in sales especially for those that have to have the latestmodel however if say suv's had the same tech and about the same price do buyers go back to sedans or take the suv? This is the big question as no car in Australia is going to sell upto/over 4000 units anymore, we just have too many models, too much choice and a cheap source of manufacturers in Asia.

Did anyone notice the two concept sketches in the Caradvice photos, front quarter and tail styling, more aggressivew without being over the top, stunning I thought. http://www.caradvice.com.au/212871/holden-vf-commodore-gallery/060-vf-design-concept-01/ Photos 73 and 94.

[Goggles]

shot of SSV1897

[macca_779]

Why do I keep thinking Chrysler Sebring?

Love the tech features, this has often been quoted as a main source of let down in FG/VE over the top end Kia, Hyundai's, and a myriad of others etc... I can see a spike in sales especially for those that have to have the latestmodel however if say suv's had the same tech and about the same price do buyers go back to sedans or take the suv? This is the big question as no car in Australia is going to sell upto/over 4000 units anymore, we just have too many models, too much choice and a cheap source of manufacturers in Asia.

Did anyone notice the two concept sketches in the Caradvice photos, front quarter and tail styling, more aggressivew without being over the top, stunning I thought. http://www.caradvice.com.au/212871/holden-vf-commodore-gallery/060-vf-design-concept-01/ Photos 73 and 94.

I agree. This is a car that finally allows Holden to catch up to its competitors. Alot of this technology is not new, its been in US models and competitors here for years.
If this doesn't bring buyers back to Holden nothing will. They've done a great job here and this is a car I would buy, where as VE never interested me.

[Plenty]

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVCGI-04_zps72f9cefc.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600m-600x400_zps5718c765.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600q-600x400_zps12a9ecbe.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600r-600x400_zpsd90042b5.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600s-600x4001_zps38c2c6d9.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600w-600x400_zps6809498c.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_601d-600x400_zps5ffc2071.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_601f-600x400_zpsff15e508.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/vf_600u-600x4001_zpsee44546d.jpg

[Dieselman]

Is it just me or does the rear look like a Toyota Aurion ??

Looks ok apart from that :)

[Plenty]

Not completely sold on the rear end though, it's very Aurion/Cruze like and diminishes the classy look of the front. The Front is great IMO, i love the new Jags front on and this reminds me alot of them, it also appears to be c class merc from the front as well.

[Goggles]

clay shot of SSV, but it has a SRI-V badge! 1899

[Jag530G]

Big change!

http://i.imgur.com/E2Va2Nw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xCW4eq5.jpg

Jeez, it makes the VE look bland doesn't it?

Cheers, Matthew

[Plenty]

Also for those of us with young kids or those planning on it in the near future, they appear to have added in the 'Isofix' anchor system, whilst not approved for use here yet they make it a helluva lot easier to fit and remove the seats.

[Evman]

Jeez, it makes the VE look bland doesn't it?

Cheers, Matthew

Exactly what I thought! I'd be selling my VE Calais quick smart if I had one :lol:

[seedyrom]

HSV have released their new clubsport as well

http://www.hsv.com.au/VF/Clubsport

http://i.imgur.com/DA2g3DN.png

[Evman]

HSV have released their new clubsport as well

http://www.hsv.com.au/VF/Clubsport

http://i.imgur.com/DA2g3DN.png

​I like it

[SLE355]

Interior alot like the Cruze.

[bouka]

Seedy, that is hilarious.

[Marco]

Looks like someone at Holden is a fan of recent Jag designs. Side vents and wheels especially.

I really like the rear. The front looks a bit busy; lots of lines on the bonnet, grille and headlights seem too tall for the body sides. It has lost the strong look of the VE for something a bit softer, in line with current styling trends. There's a lot of Opel Insignia there. Looking at that pic posted earlier of the VF and VE though, I prefer the VE front end.

Interior looks really good.

I'd be happy to put one in my driveway in a few years unless I need something with more seats. Most probably as a wagon.

[conrodss]

I'm so glad I have a VE series 1. And now I'm convinced it will probably be the newest commodore I will ever own as the I do not like the new one. Now I can confortably spend more money on mine . lol

[Woodchukka]

Another thumbs up here. Nice work Holden. Brought the humble Commodore into this century.

[Pickles]

Bearing in mind financial constraints, fewer sales, ltd life etc etc, I reckon Holden have done a great job.
I hope it sells well here, and also makes its target sales in the U.S.
Go Holden. Pickles.

[bouka]

I absolutely love it!

The more I look at the Calais v the more I find things things I love.

In my opinion, Holden have redefined the local large car. It is jammed full of tech, the styling is world class and it is the most comprehensive update we have ever seen.

They have left nothing on the table and if this car fails it is because we, as enthusiasts and consumers, have failed to put our money where our mouths are.

It certainly won't be because they went half cocked on the VF.

I am genuinely excited and if the quality is anywhere near what they are claiming, they have truly produced a world class car.

HSV, please don't stuff it up! ( they have reassured me on dozens of occassions that I will be back in a HSV, and I have little doubt).

[185iboy]

I've just spotted my first hate, it's that damn whip aerial on the roof again! If Ford can do away with it and most others can find a more sleek version then why the f#ck can't we?

Radio reception in the FG is VERY poor.

I'd buy a VF (SSV) based on what I've seen so far. Very nice.

[csv rulz]

Bouka you seem to be the man in the know. Any major mechanical revisions expected throughout the line up? Do you know how much weight they are expected to loose?

[HazzaHSV]

Absolutely love it here too! Great job Holden. Can't wait to drive one.

[SSVHM2.5]

I'm so glad I have a VE series 1. And now I'm convinced it will probably be the newest commodore I will ever own as the I do not like the new one. Now I can confortably spend more money on mine . lol

I also have a series 1 SSV and I think they will go down as a classic. The series two looks to soft and has all that god aweful chrome. The VF looks like a mix between a Cruze, VE and Falcon to me. I am sure it will grow on me though and the SS and HSV versions will hopefully look better......

[steve_t]

Hooray for the steering wheel! Cruise control controls and HUD like in the Camaro :goodjob:
How long does HSV usually take to release their versions?

[C4B]

Aside from the back (which looks bland) the rest of the package looks very impressive.

I hope HSV go for an equally classy look because their recent efforts have been very "Fast n Furious" (as Seedy has alluded to)

[bouka]

Bouka you seem to be the man in the know. Any major mechanical revisions expected throughout the line up? Do you know how much weight they are expected to loose?

I have been hinting at things for well over 6 months.

It is hard to say stuff and not get in to trouble, but of what I "think" is on the HSV side of things.

Weight loss not massive and engines stay same for Holden.

If you think the new Holden is good, wait for the HSV!

I am.

Again, brilliant effort Holden.

[Marco]

HSV versions will hopefully look better......

Most optimistic post of the thread so far :)

[PMD GTO]

And the heads up display has a redline but the dash tach does not. lol

[VL Executive]

Jeez, it makes the VE look bland doesn't it?

Certainly does. I was going to say that earlier, dont mean to upset the VE owners, but the VF has made the VE look bland, and behind the times in regard to tech. Holden are going to be flat out selling any VE models now.

But Im another one that recons the power window controls should have stayed in the centre console. More protected from weather / water there. and front seat passenger had control of rear windows.

Have noticed on facebook that some people are critisizing it for losing its Australian heritage, looking too global, and too much like the imports. Well, all I have to say to them is if you wanted Commodore to stay uniquely Australian and "just for us". They should have bought up and supported the VE alot better over the last few years instead of buying imports. Holden may not have had to go to these measures in order to survive. They have had to bring the Commodore up to this level of style and tech to compete with the imports. Which isnt really a bad thing

[ittwgn]

I know it's advertising but why does the badge on the front have to be like a dinner plate !!!

[VYBerlinaV8]

HSV have released their new clubsport as well

http://www.hsv.com.au/VF/Clubsport

http://i.imgur.com/DA2g3DN.png


Piss funny - well played!

[Plenty]

I'm so glad I have a VE series 1. And now I'm convinced it will probably be the newest commodore I will ever own as the I do not like the new one. Now I can confortably spend more money on mine . lol

Your a very hard man to impress........obviously!

[Plenty]

Radio reception in the FG is VERY poor.

I'd buy a VF (SSV) based on what I've seen so far. Very nice.

Yep i know, but it's not because of the antenna, the utes still have the whip antenna and suffer from noisy crackly sound!

[Alex(AUS)]

I really like it. Lots of nice features too. Lets hope they all work really well and the quality matches what is being presented / intended. Please HSV dont stuff up ... keep it clean and sophisticated.

Alex

[Evman]

I was bitterly disappointed with the E2 HSV. I lost all faith in them then and there so I'm expecting the worst. I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong though

[bouka]

1900

Sneak peak at Sports version of VF.

[bouka]

I was bitterly disappointed with the E2 HSV. I lost all faith in them then and there so I'm expecting the worst. I'd be ecstatic to be proven wrong though

So was I Evan. I bought an FPV after having 2 VE HSV's (amongst others).

I think (and they better be right) my hope will be restored.

They have never had a better platform than the VF.

[Teal]

I like it :) :thumbsup:

The dash is certainly "out there" but the rest looks good.

Be waiting to see the first proper photos of the SS and the HSVs...... Now we wait to hear exactly what motor options are available.

[Plenty]

A few in the darker colour
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVInteriorCGI-01_zpsad10d8c0.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVInteriorCGI-06_zpsfef85b4a.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVInteriorCGI-021_zps1c97e7d9.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVInteriorCGI-05_zps4ff3d372.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVShowCarInterior-17_zps6c33257f.jpg

As Bouka posted there is a few sneaky looks at the "Sports" model.
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/JustinThompson_zpseb0fcc0d.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/AndrewSmith-04_zpsf127a2ef.jpg
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/AndrewSmith-02_zps59f94afc.jpg Unfortunately it appears to retain the ugly "sporty" red lighting hopefully it can be changed in the menu!

[Party Pete]

I just hope the materials match the looks with quality. Certainly from the pictures it looks like they have addressed the interior issues that always stopped me from buying the VE now HSV, make classy Senator and you have a real chance of selling me one.

[Goggles]

As Bouka posted there is a few sneaky looks at the "Sports" model.


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/AndrewSmith-02_zps59f94afc.jpg Unfortunately it appears to retain the ugly "sporty" red lighting hopefully it can be changed in the menu! manual shifter position looks good, maybe tall drinks won't get in the way!

[plonkerchops]

I just hope the materials match the looks with quality. Certainly from the pictures it looks like they have addressed the interior issues that always stopped me from buying the VE now HSV, make classy Senator and you have a real chance of selling me one.

me too, the hard and cheap dash plastics were a deal breaker for me as well, lets hope theyre as good as the pictures suggest
I reckon the car overall looks awesome...

[daskip]

the whole things ugly in my opinion

[Jass]

Really impressed at this first look, it's going to make the decision of a cheap as chips sII ve vs vf alot tougher than I thought it would be. Any ideas on the release of the rest of the range - in particular the ute? Has anyone seen a listing of the range yet (ie ss,ssv,ssvz,redline, etc)?

[heavychevy]

A few in the darker colour
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/VFCalaisVInteriorCGI-021_zps1c97e7d9.jpg


Love the darker interior.

[Plenty]

A few nice touches
http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/b638539f-cf99-4662-bfcd-c331f6739441_zps7e9764b7.jpg

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/b914b354-8a30-494c-b54d-06e9e1b1d098_zpsea40935b.jpg

[Plenty]

manual shifter position looks good, maybe tall drinks won't get in the way!

I believe that is the auto mate.

[VZ_V8]

From some of the renders which were floating around and the supposed "spy shots" I was a bit skeptical about this car looking good. But seeing it now I think its fantastic! Love all the new tech they have finally included in it. I think the exterior/interior package as a whole has really lifted to be on par with other world class vehicles. So far I have liked almost everything I have seen. The shape of the front seats in the pictures with the white/black stripe look a little funny but, I think I could live with that :lol:

[team illucid]

Aside from the back (which looks bland) the rest of the package looks very impressive.

The back is disgusting. It is like having to look at Serena Williams when you want to be watching Gauge.

[team illucid]

I'm so glad I have a VE series 1. And now I'm convinced it will probably be the newest commodore I will ever own as the I do not like the new one

+1 - Clubby will not get replaced until wrecked, then it will be German V8s only.

[Tuned_LS1]

Interior looks like a Hyundai

[Plenty]

Interior looks like a Hyundai

Yeah and which one is that? Which part is that also? The stitched leather dash? The Suede?

I have not seen one Korean car where the materials are actually nice internally, they look good from afar but up close they are horrible cheap and nasty hard plstics.

[310gen]

Dead F#%*KEN SET, some people are just way too hard to please!! That is by far the best ever looking car to come out of either holden or ford. And for the record, I own a new boss 335 Gt. The Calais makes the ve and my car look very old. I also own a ve calais for my wife, and I can safely say, her next will be a 6 ltr VF CalaisV. Good Job Holden. I'm in love with this car and I haven't even test drove it yet.

[Marco]

Not loving the SS sneak peeks there I must say. Especially the mega black plastic mouth.

Wonder if in a few years I will feel "mature aged" enough to want a Calais V instead?

[Goggles]

Wonder if in a few years I will feel "mature aged" enough to want a Calais V instead?I'd happily buy a Calais if it had a manual option

[6_litre_man]

Personally im not over the moon about, i mean it looks good but i dont absolutely love it.

My question is how is the ute going to look with that front end, personally i just cant imagine it, to me its going to look all sorts of weird. Will be interesting thats for sure

Cheers
Matt

[C4B]

My old Dicovery 3 had the electric handbrake and they are utterly brilliant.

If you're on a steep hill, flick the brake on and once it senses the car is about to move forward it automatically releases.

No more handbrake turns in new Commodores coz they won't engage while in motion.

[whiteknight2211]

My old Dicovery 3 had the electric handbrake and they are utterly brilliant.

If you're on a steep hill, flick the brake on and once it senses the car is about to move forward it automatically releases.

No more handbrake turns in new Commodores coz they won't engage while in motion.

Seeing an Electric Handbrake, Keyless Start and a pretty decent attempt to make the interior makes me actually want to by one.

I haven't seen the SS yet but if it's full of shiny black plastic I am out of there - alternatively though my mind it ticking over on just how I can modify it already.

It will be good to get some other specs.

I pulled my S1 Stereo out the other day to replace it with a Holden IQ and all I can say is that it re-affirmed my view that the VE was seriously lacking in attention to detail and quality on the interior and that is even on my SSV!

I just tried to get on the Holden website and it timed out - seems the VF has stuck some interest.

[ittwgn]

are they doing a wagon version of this ???? wagon and ute and hsv will be interesting !!!

[vysandman]

Dead F#%*KEN SET, some people are just way too hard to please!! That is by far the best ever looking car to come out of either holden or ford. And for the record, I own a new boss 335 Gt. The Calais makes the ve and my car look very old. I also own a ve calais for my wife, and I can safely say, her next will be a 6 ltr VF CalaisV. Good Job Holden. I'm in love with this car and I haven't even test drove it yet.

Mate, I couldn't agree with you more. I have owned many Holdens and HSV's (And an FG Ford Turbo) but was getting disheartened with the whole
Australian car market. We just weren't getting what we wanted. I have bought European cars recently and have been very happy but running costs etc can be quite
costly. The VE was never the car that I was expecting, the series 1 looked wrong, HSV's were ugly (Except for the SENATOR) and the E2/E3's were over
the top. I think this time Holden have listened, for the limited budget, resources and market they have to work with, they have done a fantastic job (Providing the finished product quality is good).
This is the best looking car to come out of Holden in a long time, these people that love their VE series 1 more, need to have a reality check. If they like them that much
there will be an abundance of them on the market soon...REAL CHEAP. They will be able to buy series 2 and put Series 1 panels on them too if they like.
It's like all the people that whinge about Ford and haven't bought a new car since an XP.
I know they say "never say never" but I didn't think I would ever buy another new Holden again but this has changed my mind.
Good work Holden. I hope you do really well with it. I'm proud that Australia can produce a car like this.

[Evman]

For a long time I've said that the VE still looks good. Whilst it's become an extremely common look, I think it has ages well. Seeing the VF now though really hits home that perhaps I was giving it more credit than it deserved. VE vs VF, the VE looks so outdated!

[EddieVE06]

I really like it. I liked the way the calais sat on display today hopefully the ride height will be the same once released.
I remeber the ve ssv when released sat the same and then they all looked like the ride height was to high. Will be interesting to see tje rest of the range as not everyone can afford the calais v. Good job holden. Id be proud to have one in my driveway. So many of my family memebrs have decided to go bmw and mercs and frankly they're not all their cracked up to be with electrical issues and so expensive to fix. My VE no issues and reasonable service and repair costs and just keeps going. Although I will admit the interior lacks a little on the ve when compared to the euros. I hope the vf interior is a few steps up on the ve.

[whiteknight2211]

HSV have released their new clubsport as well

http://www.hsv.com.au/VF/Clubsport

http://i.imgur.com/DA2g3DN.png

I think you could get a double or triple spoiler on the back...

[IJ.]

I think you could get a double or triple spoiler on the back...
And only 7 DRL's what were they thinking....

[whiteknight2211]

And only 7 DRL's what were they thinking....

I know the reactions have been different between a lot of people, but I keep looking at the photos and like the design more and more.

From what the live streaming on the Holden website said, we will have to wait until Daytona next week for the 'sports' model.

I can see myself driving a VF SSV already.

[Pickles]

The back is disgusting. It is like having to look at Serena Williams when you want to be watching Gauge.
But mate, I like looking at Serena!
Cheers, Pickles.

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

i like it very much
its a pity i will never own one

[IJ.]

But mate, I like looking at Serena!
Cheers, Pickles.


That there is just plain disturbing Martin :D

[Red Beard]

For a long time I've said that the VE still looks good. Whilst it's become an extremely common look, I think it has ages well. Seeing the VF now though really hits home that perhaps I was giving it more credit than it deserved. VE vs VF, the VE looks so outdated!


Ignore my dislike, stupid touchscreen. I agree, I thought it looked ok till I saw the real VF. The artists impressions didn't do it any justice. Especially the rear, although the rear side view does look a bit Bangle BMW like.

[BECAUZ]

looks good but the rear looks a little "girly"

[VHSLE]

Overall I like it, but is there a reason for the circa 1979 door locks ?, particularly when the lock / unlock button is up near the door handle.

I hope they don't end up being in the natural place to rest your arm.

1902

1903

[vysandman]

Hate to be a Holden salesman out trying to flog off VE's for the next couple of months......Regardless of price !

[310gen]

When is this this thing supposed to hit hit the showrooms? I'm hanging out big time. Having said that , this time i need to control my self. I bought both cars within a month of there release and overpaid big time for them both!!!

[VHSLE]

When is this this thing supposed to hit hit the showrooms? I'm hanging out big time. Having said that , this time i need to control my self. I bought both cars within a month of there release and overpaid big time for them both!!!

Mid year was mentioned in the release video, I have read May a couple of times today.

[vicarious]

the only thing i don't like on the vf is the seat stripe and what looks to be the door lock pins on the door trim.

[VH-COM]

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/yankeeclip/6289140470.jpg

I am guessing the HUD display technology is built into the windscreen (not light projected)..... so a windscreen replacement because of a small crack etc would cost a packet extra.
Maybe Holden should have used the same idea as Boeing on the new 787 .... the HUD is on a fold away arm - like a sunvisor.

[Evman]

I am guessing the HUD display technology is built into the windscreen (not light projected)..... so a windscreen replacement because of a small crack etc would cost a packet extra.
Maybe Holden should have used the same idea as Boeing on the new 787 .... the HUD is on a fold away arm - like a sunvisor.

It's projected onto the screen from the dash and reflected into the driver's vision

[VH-COM]

It's projected onto the screen from the dash and reflected into the driver's vision

OK thanks ... that's pretty clever.

[Evman]

OK thanks ... that's pretty clever.

I can only assume it has some very bright lights to work in full sunlight :confused:

[Evman]

Overall I like it, but is there a reason for the circa 1979 door locks ?, particularly when the lock / unlock button is up near the door handle.

I hope they don't end up being in the natural place to rest your arm.

1902



I noticed this early on too. I think for me it might end up being so out of place that I can't help but notice them. Even now every time I see a picture with a door the first thing I notice is the crummy door lock

[MPHSV]

I saw the interior shots before I was out and about all day in my VE1 Calais V. Geez it made the VE feel really outdated! The quality if the materials look so much beter than the current crop of cars.

I suppose that by making the VE look old and outdated shows how much of a good job they did with this one.

I wonder how the HSV trim will differ/set it apart from the commodore trim. Lets hope the quality doesn't drop off.

Still no change in the design of the side rear view mirrors, still using the VY ones.

[steve_t]

I noticed this early on too. I think for me it might end up being so out of place that I can't help but notice them. Even now every time I see a picture with a door the first thing I notice is the crummy door lock

Arghh... please don't let that be the final door lock mechanism! It's bits like this that make me wonder if certain parts have come from a global parts bin :/

[Plenty]

OK thanks ... that's pretty clever.

It's the same way BMW have done it for years! Next time you see a Beemer in the carpark have a look on top of the dash on the drivers side (down near bottom of windscreen) and you will see a rebated section with the "prejector". Read HERE (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/technology_guide/articles/head_up_display.html)

[Evman]

The sideview mirrors are actually quite an efficient aerodynamic design, with a fair amount of R&D put in to reduce wind noise in the cabin. The VE ones are essentially a slightly scaled up VY mirror (larger to account for the larger overall size of the car).

[Plenty]

Still no change in the design of the side rear view mirrors, still using the VY ones.

The wing mirrors on the VE are larger than the VY/VZ range, maybe slightly different again on the VF.

[macca_779]

Arghh... please don't let that be the final door lock mechanism! It's bits like this that make me wonder if certain parts have come from a global parts bin :/

They have come from the parts bin. Read it today. It's smart Holden has raided the bin for components. Saves on price as they are tried, tested and proven

[vicarious]

They have come from the parts bin. Read it today. It's smart Holden has raided the bin for components. Saves on price as they are tried, tested and proven

could of done a vw led light type of scenario

[Mohit]

Really like the VF. Was thinking of getting a FG G6E Turbo in the next few years but the new Calais is looking mighty tempting.

Can the HUD be viewed by passengers inside the cabin?

[Plenty]

Really like the VF. Was thinking of getting a FG G6E Turbo in the next few years but the new Calais is looking mighty tempting.

Can the HUD be viewed by passengers inside the cabin?

It is only visible from the drivers point of view, maybe the rear center and drivers side passenger could see it if they angled themselves right but ordinarily no it's not if it's like the BMW one.

[Plenty]

What colour was that reveal car? It certainly didn't look like the normal Nitrate silver, it had a nice steel blue sort of colour on it.

[SCiFiRE]

Reveal car is a new colour called "Prussian Steel"

[Jag530G]

On a photo showing the side of the passenger seat it looks like the Calais V is back to full power adjusted passenger seat and I noticed an extra switch, besides the two normal switches we are familiar with. I suspect Holden may finally have powered lumber support.

Cheers, Matthew

[lowfly]

Very funny Mr GM not showing us the SS ,considering most of us here have been hanging out to see it, you bastard.!!!!
Very impressed with the Calais V interior, I was not expecting it to look that good, well done guys.
Come on we know you are watching this forum to see what the reactions are, so be nice and give us some pics of the SS........................please.

[VL Executive]

Yeah, I cant wait to see the Ute and the SS. Be interesting to see what they have done to the (Statesman - yeah I know its not called that anymore) Caprice as well

[Plenty]

Another thing i would like to know is if they have finally gone to split fold rear seats or whether they have retained the quite annoying ski hatch?

[Plenty]

Yeah, I cant wait to see the Ute and the SS. Be interesting to see what they have done to the (Statesman - yeah I know its not called that anymore) Caprice as well

Apparently the ute and wagon retain the same rear end, the Caprice gets minor exterior updates with the updated interior.

[Brett240]

Another thing i would like to know is if they have finally gone to split fold rear seats or whether they have retained the quite annoying ski hatch?


ski hatch stays...yay.

[6_litre_man]

Apparently the ute and wagon retain the same rear end, the Caprice gets minor exterior updates with the updated interior.

That will just look really weird and out of shape if they have the same rear end.

Someone just posted this on facebook lol

1904

Cheers
Matt

[VYBerlinaV8]

OK, so i think the front looks quite good, don't like the rear much, but the interior looks terrific. For me, I'm curious as to boot capacity, and what the lower spec models will be like.

[CLUBRED]

Overall I like it, but is there a reason for the circa 1979 door locks ?, particularly when the lock / unlock button is up near the door handle.

I hope they don't end up being in the natural place to rest your arm.

1902

1903

Bit worried about the fitment where the grey arm meets the light colour.

Also, I like having the door lock / unlock in the centre where my wife can reach it...

[C4B]

That will just look really weird and out of shape if they have the same rear end.

Someone just posted this on facebook lol

1904

Cheers
Matt

Nice photoshop but they've got the sheet metal all wrong (check the guards)

[Plenty]

That will just look really weird and out of shape if they have the same rear end.

Someone just posted this on facebook lol

1904


Cheers
Matt

These were from Motor or Wheels magazine from quite a while ago, they are quite good considering, they even got the slim line faux vents on the sides, headlight shape and the very FG MKII trapezoidal front grill looks similar to the 'sports' pics i posted earlier.

[EddieVE06]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the aerial. Why not an incorporated or a shark fin. Or stub aerial. The long aerial just looks a little cheap on the vf now.

[Evman]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the aerial. Why not an incorporated or a shark fin. Or stub aerial. The long aerial just looks a little cheap on the vf now.

It has been raised. I know from reading the book Holden published on the birth of the VE that they really, really pride themselves on radio reception quality across all of Australia rather than just catering for those in built up areas. I can only assume it remains for a reason like that

[Ausmartin1]

As a Volt Owner,

I really enjoy seeing so many Volt design / style items in the car.
Glad the VF designer had taste !

Cheers,
Martin

[hotvp]

shot of SSV1897

Maybe it's the angle of that photo, but something looks strange - the front end is too long and looks out of proportion with the rear. Like the middle section of the cabin is too far back.

[CLUBRED]

Isofix for the parents with youngsters...

[DMW]

That interior looks sensational. What a step up from the current one.
I can't wait to see one in real life, i think the exterior will look far better than in the pics.

[CLUBRED]

Just noticed the LCD displays on the HVAC knobs..

[mikmak]

Those door locks are kind of ugly, but everything else looks pretty impressive. The sculpting of the rear end makes the biggest change but what i really want to see is the base models. They are going to have the biggest effect on whether or not we'll be drive Impalas in 2021.

[v8dude78]

http://mobile.news.com.au/business/finally-the-new-world-class-holden-vf-commodore-has-landed-in-australia/story-e6frfm1i-1226574705971?from=igoogle+gadget+compact+news_rss

Not likening this part

"It has been seven years since the last new Commodore - the longest gap in the model's 35-year history - and it will be the last of its type. When this VF Commodore bows out in 2016 it will be replaced by a large front-drive sedan based on new global underpinnings that will be adapted for local conditions."

[Plenty]

Isofix for the parents with youngsters...

Yep mentioned that before, not technically legal yet and not technically safer, more a convenience thing to ensure 100% correct fitment of restraint.

[1HDT 05]

Like the interior hate the exterior, its god awful in my opinion.

Hope the HSV variants save the day or it's a E90 M3 for me.

[Plenty]

http://mobile.news.com.au/business/finally-the-new-world-class-holden-vf-commodore-has-landed-in-australia/story-e6frfm1i-1226574705971?from=igoogle+gadget+compact+news_rss

Not likening this part

"It has been seven years since the last new Commodore - the longest gap in the model's 35-year history - and it will be the last of its type. When this VF Commodore bows out in 2016 it will be replaced by a large front-drive sedan based on new global underpinnings that will be adapted for local conditions."

Without even reading that article i bet you my last 5.56 slug that it was that tosser Joshua Dowling. He will not confirm that it was said to him by anyone of importance it's just more speculation from this anti-Australian journalist!

The same one that for months leading up to the launch of the VF said it was the last Commodore and would be toast in 2016, well we all know how that turned out!

[lowfly]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned the aerial. Why not an incorporated or a shark fin. Or stub aerial. The long aerial just looks a little cheap on the vf now.

Why not incorporate it in the rear glass like my XR6 turbo has, works a treat.

[Evman]

Without even reading that article i bet you my last 5.56 slug that it was that tosser Joshua Dowling. He will not confirm that it was said to him by anyone of importance it's just more speculation from this anti-Australian journalist!

The same one that for months leading up to the launch of the VF said it was the last Commodore and would be toast in 2016, well we all know how that turned out!

HAHAHA you were 100%, good ol' Joshua

[Drizt]

Interior looks amazing

[VYSHSV8]

No adaptive cruse control ?

I could be interested in trading the Focus on one depending on the cost , is there a link to technical specs somewhere so i don't have to listen to all the marketing bs ?

Not sure if they have missed it
Is adaptive cruise the same as it can't hit the car in front Arron ????
If so look on the left side of the steering wheel where the cruise is there is a collision button by the looks of it ????

[VYSHSV8]

I will be buying 1 Just not sure if a Holden version or a HSV version but probably a V8 Calais

[VYSHSV8]

HAHAHA you were 100%, good ol' Joshua

Yep and considering the successor has already been announced for 2017 and built in Adelaide

[Troutman]

There's long been plenty available in the parts bin. The Chinese-market car has had a shark fin antenna and electronic park brake since 2007.

For the US law enforcement version, a column shifter will be fitted at last. This would also mean the option of 3 and 6 seater utes/sedans if Holden sees a market. Or people might perceive this as too outdated.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/B0D3641FA6F4D494CA257AD40020766F/$file/Chevrolet_Caprice_PPV_main.jpg

[A^K^T]

Not sure if they have missed it
Is adaptive cruise the same as it can't hit the car in front Arron ????
If so look on the left side of the steering wheel where the cruise is there is a collision button by the looks of it ????

Interesting . Adaptive cruse control (as i understand it) allows you to leave the cruse control on and if the car in front slows down your car slows down to match , and if the car in front speed up yours speeds up (maintaining a gap between cars) until it reaches the speed you had it set to.

[Hos]

It has been raised. I know from reading the book Holden published on the birth of the VE that they really, really pride themselves on radio reception quality across all of Australia rather than just catering for those in built up areas. I can only assume it remains for a reason like that

Too true. All the ford utes we have at work have piss poor reception, even the old AM is a bit poor. And I'm not in a remote area, just rural SA. The Holdens and Nissan's are generally better. Mind you, I have a sharkfin on my VE wagon and have found no losses with reception.

[JimmyXR6T04]

I think it looks great, inside and out. I'm due for a new car in March next year, and at present i was dead set keen on a GT 335, but this might have changed my mind. Has there been much talk of the motor and power outputs? If only Holden went a factory s/c version, my decision would be made... Still not sure if i want to go with the brutal GT 335, or the full of tech elegant Calais/Caprice...

[JimmyXR6T04]

It will be interesting to see what ford come up with for 2014... If the GS 315 is packed with tech goodies, plus retain the 5.0 s/c motor, it'll be hard to beat for value.

[Waughy]

Doesn't look too bad in the pics but I'll wait and see what it looks like first hand when they're in the showrooms. If I like it still, or more, I'll look at pricing up either a Calais V or SS to replace the VZ, depending on which grabs me most, and if the finances can fit one in. Definitely go the dark interior. Just looking at the pics again, the power window switches look a lot like what is in my old Captiva. I like that they have moved them to the door too, after 5 years in the captiva I still reach for the door in the VZ to put my window down.

[Brett240]

I tell you what im nervous about the pricing. I could afford an E3 R8 but it sounds like pricing on the VF is going to be well over and above the VE. might end up with an SSV

[dgp]

I tell you what im nervous about the pricing. I could afford an E3 R8 but it sounds like pricing on the VF is going to be well over and above the VE. might end up with an SSV

Why would you say that? There has been no mention of pricing yet.

[blowski]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=459398634116006&set=a.179189928803546.55373.177667575622448&type=1&relevant_count=1

Legit??

[blowski]

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1082233_do-these-design-bucks-reveal-the-look-of-the-2014-chevy-ss

Hmmmm

[Plenty]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=459398634116006&set=a.179189928803546.55373.177667575622448&type=1&relevant_count=1

Legit??
Motor magazine cgi from months ago!

[macca_779]

1905

Nice

[CLUBRED]

Doh, I liked the T wing...

[macca_779]

Doh, I liked the T wing...

Yeah me too

[Evman]

I find it hard to believe that Holden, with such a downward trend in sales, would go an increase the price of everything to an extent it's an issues for potential buyers

[macca_779]

Yeah me too

This one too
1906

[Evman]

T wing was awesome. Looks like a Falcon now :(

[DMW]

GRM VF Racer >
http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/showroom/glance/8608284/exclusive-first-pics-of-merc-v8-supercar

[CLUBRED]

I was only just getting back into V8SC's to after a long time feeling disillusioned with the sport, might be a deal breaker again. Maybe I'll follow Nissan just for the racing..

[shaneooo]

Love the new VF, great upgrade from the what appears to be a now very dated VE...

I think i'm going to be disappointed with the "sports" versions...if they retain the classy look of the Calais etc it will lose its aggressiveness, i'm hoping the SSV goes that subtle aggressive look..simialr to a Jaguar XFR-S 2013 model...

[Pickles]

Why would you say that? There has been no mention of pricing yet.
+1.
I ain't seen anything on pricing, & in this market, the last thing any manufacturer would want to do is dramatically increase pricing.
So, whilst a nominal increase is reasonable with any new model, I don't see any big price hike at all.
Cheers, Pickles.

[C4B]

I find it hard to believe that Holden, with such a downward trend in sales, would go an increase the price of everything to an extent it's an issues for potential buyers

Maybe the economic reality of having to recoup the development cost in a condensed timeframe has forced their hand. The big question is, if the introduction of VF doesn't arrest the declinig sales, what is their break even point in terms of production numbers. Will they keep producing them until 2016 regardless or will they call time if the numbers no longer add up.

[aratic]

I really like what they have done with the VF.

As for pricing, I cant see them increasing theRRPof the current VE for the VF. Just means for an SS, you'll have to pay 55k or whatever it is rather than the current run out deal pricing

[Swordie]

I like it when a new Commodore and Falcon is released. As a kid it was always a big event for car people.

[whitels1ss]

When they have sold off most of the VE's in stock I think you will find they will discount the VF
They will certainly want to unload all the old models:idea:

[Evman]

There are some stupid comments going around on the internet about the VF. One was, "I have a VE Berlina in my driveway, I see no difference. No wonder Holden is going to shut down". Another was, "If you want to see someone do something stupid, spot a Commodore and wait 30 seconds and you wont be disappointed". I'd really love to shove some peoples' heads down the toilet

[falcom]

I really like what they have done with the VF.

As for pricing, I cant see them increasing theRRPof the current VE for the VF. Just means for an SS, you'll have to pay 55k or whatever it is rather than the current run out deal pricing

If they charge $55k for a VF SS they will not sell. I have seen VE SS advertised for about $40k and SV6 for $33k or even less.

They have to take into consideration that large car sales are shrinking and will need to price it accordingly to move stock.

I am thinking initially about $46k for a SS or about $37k for a SV6 .

I personally will be in the market for a manual VF SV6. If I cannot negotiate a price of about $36k after its been out for a few months I will not buy one.

[SCiFiRE]

There are some stupid comments going around on the internet about the VF. One was, "I have a VE Berlina in my driveway, I see no difference. No wonder Holden is going to shut down". Another was, "If you want to see someone do something stupid, spot a Commodore and wait 30 seconds and you wont be disappointed". I'd really love to shove some peoples' heads down the toilet

Wow, where are you reading these? They sound like comments on some of the aussie newspaper websites... usually full of idiots and trolls just trying to get a rise out of people.

I think the reaction in general has been vastly positive, more so than usual. Even the thread on the fordforums seems about 50/50, maybe leaning on the positive (and that's pretty notable).
There's obviously a few people the design doesn't gel well with, and that's fine. Can't please everyone. Some of the real nay-sayers are really grasping at straws though... I feel sorry for Holdens social media team. Check the first reply on Holdens Google+ post:
https://plus.google.com/105660831944567707941/posts/8WwJxiQV14v
Just... wow...
There is really a vicious hate-streak for locally made product in this country, and it's really f**king sad. Both Holden and Ford build fantastic, world class cars. Cars that are reviewed favourably by professional motoring press locally AND internationally... Yet there's so much negative energy and misinformation about them in the public eye... It really disappoints me.

[Evman]

Wow, where are you reading these? They sound like comments on some of the aussie newspaper websites... usually full of idiots and trolls just trying to get a rise out of people...

...Check the first reply on Holdens Google+ post:
https://plus.google.com/105660831944567707941/posts/8WwJxiQV14v
Just... wow...
There is really a vicious hate-streak for locally made product in this country, and it's really f**king sad. Both Holden and Ford build fantastic, world class cars. Cars that are reviewed favourably by professional motoring press locally AND internationally... Yet there's so much negative energy and misinformation about them in the public eye... It really disappoints me.

Yup they were from newspaper sites. It's so bloody disappointing to see a country slowly turn on what used to be an industry everyone absolutely loved. :lmao: at the link you posted. There are very few industry leaders in design, most play it safe and take notes from the successful designs of other manufacturers. Every now and then a company (often BMW) will try something new. Sometimes it fails, sometimes the world loves it. Very rarely is an entire car built with zero outside influence

[macca_779]

So I'm going to throw this out there.. Chev badges on SS's ok now? Hell its being released there first

[Pickles]

There are some stupid comments going around on the internet about the VF. One was, "I have a VE Berlina in my driveway, I see no difference. No wonder Holden is going to shut down". Another was, "If you want to see someone do something stupid, spot a Commodore and wait 30 seconds and you wont be disappointed". I'd really love to shove some peoples' heads down the toilet
Mate, if ya met these buffoons, ya wouldn't give 'em a second thought....ya'd just feel sorry for 'em.
Cheers, Pickles.

[mac06]

Just my thoughts on the power window switches moving to the driver's door-
1) They need to be away from electric park brake switch to avoid confusion.
2) Once the rear windows are locked out the kids can't lean over and unlock them like they could in the centre console.
It may take a bit of getting used to at first, but will soon be second nature. I like it.

[korrupt]

So I'm going to throw this out there.. Chev badges on SS's ok now? Hell its being released there first

VF will be on sale in Australia (mid year was mentioned in the video yesterday) before it hits the USA (won't be until the 2nd half of the year).

[macca_779]

VF will be on sale in Australia (mid year was mentioned in the video yesterday) before it hits the USA (won't be until the 2nd half of the year).

I was more referring to the case that its being unveiled there this week and not here

[mjrandom]

Wow spend a day kayaking and the world stops turning! VF? I quite like it. Not perfect but pretty damn good. The most disturbing thing I have read on here is Pickles love of the cart horse!

[Waughy]

So I'm going to throw this out there.. Chev badges on SS's ok now? Hell its being released there first

Probably the first time it will make any sort of sense, unlike seeing the badges on a VZ SV6.

[Evman]

Probably the first time it will make any sort of sense, unlike seeing the badges on a VZ SV6.

Saw one on an Astra a while ago :doh:

[macca33]

Shites all over VE, which NEVER floated my boat at all. I actually like the stripe in the interior seats - gives it a more sporty feel, which will improve sales of Calais, I would suspect. Previously, the choice was the SS / SS-V which some considered too sporty and in your face, as against the Calais, which looked - for all intents and purposes - like a very sedate, inhibited car. Now, it appears they have combined the best of both worlds - well, other than the already existing Senator in VP-VE iterations!

I may even consider VF if they put a CalaisV wagon out...

cheers

[Pickles]

Wow spend a day kayaking and the world stops turning! VF? I quite like it. Not perfect but pretty damn good. The most disturbing thing I have read on here is Pickles love of the cart horse!
Ha ha ha....No worries. Pickles.

[C4B]

Shites all over VE, which NEVER floated my boat at all. I actually like the stripe in the interior seats - gives it a more sporty feel, which will improve sales of Calais, I would suspect. Previously, the choice was the SS / SS-V which some considered too sporty and in your face, as against the Calais, which looked - for all intents and purposes - like a very sedate, inhibited car. Now, it appears they have combined the best of both worlds - well, other than the already existing Senator in VP-VE iterations!

They've definitely struck a better chord with the Calais this time around. All previous iterations have been "grandpa" cars and their resale values have reflected that. They've definitely taken a leaf out of the BMW manual this time around and made something aspirational. Be interesting to see what HSV does with their Senator!

[CLUBRED]

Be interesting to see what HSV does with their Senator!

I can't wait either....

As for price, there was a small pause when Devereux said "....will make the VF cheaper [pause] to run....!"

*sits back and waits for the - will a VF dash fit in VE - thread*

[Peter B - CV8]

They've definitely struck a better chord with the Calais this time around. All previous iterations have been "grandpa" cars and their resale values have reflected that. They've definitely taken a leaf out of the BMW manual this time around and made something aspirational. Be interesting to see what HSV does with their Senator!

I always viewed the Calais target market was for people who wanted all the luxury of a Statesman - but without the long wheelbase.

[forcedindction]

Looks great !! Just what our ailing car manufacturing needs. Hope it sells well, on and offshore.

[macca_779]

Now this is funniest thing I've read in a while. ROFL

1908

[Jamolad]

Given all the new tech/hardware (and associated weight), the 40kg reduction in overall weight is fairly impressive.

[VYSHSV8]

So I'm going to throw this out there.. Chev badges on SS's ok now? Hell its being released there first

Nope lol......

[VYSHSV8]

Now this is funniest thing I've read in a while. ROFL

1908

Haha so true lol

[DMW]

HRT VF Racecar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMTXK66L8xI

[Marco]

Saw one on an Astra a while ago :doh:

Technically legit, they were sold as Chevs in South America :)

[Woodchukka]

Yep mentioned that before, not technically legal yet and not technically safer, more a convenience thing to ensure 100% correct fitment of restraint.

Wife has been looking into isofix for a while now and as far as I know the main feature of it is rear facing the child for longer reduces the instance of neck injuries in children. Australia's current system is great but only rear faces for 6 or so months. Isofix is 4 or so years. Wife has looked into crash injury statistics for children in Australia for 6 months to 4 years our numbers are by far poorer than countries with isofix. If you had data that showed otherwise the wife would love to look at it.

[Pickles]

Now this is funniest thing I've read in a while. ROFL

1908

I don't like the new livery...too much white.
Cheers, Pickles.

[sjhugh]

I’ve been very critical of Holden over the past few years as I genuinely felt they were killing the Commodore by simply not keeping pace with the overseas competition but I’m blown away with this effort.

A huge thumbs up and I hope it takes off in the USA. Its success there may well influence any decisions on the future viability of rear wheel drive V8 sedans for Australia.

.

[VL Executive]

They've definitely struck a better chord with the Calais this time around. All previous iterations have been "grandpa" cars and their resale values have reflected that.

Dunno, The VZ Calais did not really look like a grandpa car, it had a bit of a sporty look to it.

[VL Executive]

I feel sorry for Holdens social media team. Check the first reply on Holdens Google+ post:
https://plus.google.com/105660831944567707941/posts/8WwJxiQV14v
Just... wow...
There is really a vicious hate-streak for locally made product in this country, and it's really f**king sad. Both Holden and Ford build fantastic, world class cars. Cars that are reviewed favourably by professional motoring press locally AND internationally... Yet there's so much negative energy and misinformation about them in the public eye... It really disappoints me.

It was the same on facebook as well, a few negative comments on there. Could not believe it really.

It is sad. And not good for the local industry, and for Holden which is trying to bounce back with the VF.

Whats caused it? The media? Aussie cars being associated with unrefinement and bogans? Well, VF certainly proves that stereotype wrong in many ways. I reckon Holden have done an amazing job with the VF. Class, quality, and tech like never before.

[Evman]

Technically legit, they were sold as Chevs in South America :)

This isn't South America though :p

[SCiFiRE]

It was the same on facebook as well, a few negative comments on there. Could not believe it really.

It is sad. And not good for the local industry, and for Holden which is trying to bounce back with the VF.

Whats caused it? The media? Aussie cars being associated with unrefinement and bogans? Well, VF certainly proves that stereotype wrong in many ways. I reckon Holden have done an amazing job with the VF. Class, quality, and tech like never before.

I'm not sure... The 'bogan' thing certainly is a big part of it... and we all know the Commodore is pretty popular with the idiot crowd, but then again so are a lot of Jap-jets but Subaru and Nissan don't seem to drum up the hate. The motoring media has always been positive of the local large cars... But I think the mainstream media has takes some blame, jumping all over the locals at the nearest sign of distress and blowing it up... I mean, there's all the doom and gloom talk when Commodore and Cruze are still two of the top selling cars in the country.

I guess the small imports have been touch and go recently but I don't understand how it warrants such angry hatred. Maybe it is the classist thing... everyone wants their McMansion, massive plasma TVs, and imported car.... Honestly, I really just don't understand it.

[Aus8]

Sorry HSV but I just want one. I will be very interested in the pricing strategy this will decide if they get the private buyer back or not. As already mentioned I cant see the Berlina name hanging around anymore. The Calais is seen as the Berlina and the Calais V the Calais in my eyes anyway the Berlina is redundant.

[Plenty]

Wife has been looking into isofix for a while now and as far as I know the main feature of it is rear facing the child for longer reduces the instance of neck injuries in children. Australia's current system is great but only rear faces for 6 or so months. Isofix is 4 or so years. Wife has looked into crash injury statistics for children in Australia for 6 months to 4 years our numbers are by far poorer than countries with isofix. If you had data that showed otherwise the wife would love to look at it.

Let me clarify, Isofix is actually not "safer" in terms of outright crash performance, where it does have the advantage and i suppose makes it a safer option is the fact that it is tethered mechanically rather than just feeding a seat belt through. Seatbelts unless checked frequently which not many do are very prone to loosening and whilst appearing tight on one side are actually very loose on the other, Isofix prevents this and thus keeps it a safer option.

The takeup has been very slow with only 15% of car seats made equipped with Isofix, it's kinda like Sunscreen in the US, SPF 100+ is available yet like our car seats the government is slow to adopt, only now allowing SPF 50+; but that's a whole new thread for a boring day. lol

[Angeldust]

I guess it looks quite good. Though i am keen to see the SS and HSV versions. Still, lots of 'VE' left in its looks ( as you would expect ).

SO everyone is soo concerned about the 'look', that no onehas asked as to what the specs are, ie what is the vehicles weight? How much
weight did they save from the alluminium panels, and how much weight saved overall (i would assume there was also some weight gained
from the extra gadgetry etc)????

[plonkerchops]

40 kilos it said in the paper

[Timson]

Well I was thinking that I would wait to see what HSV does, but now I think I might buy an SS variant so the grill matches my wife's Hyundai i30 :)
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[Timson]

Well it's a mix of Hyundai and Peugeot.
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[Evman]

And Audi, and a few VWs, the new Captiva as well. Probably a number of cars that aren't even on sale here too. How many completely unique styles of grill can be made?

[Timson]

Yeah, I know. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Designers can't help but be influenced by what they see around them. It's getting harder for a manufacturer to have a style all their own.

[DMW]

I reckon there is some Suzuki Kizashi in the front too.
Most cars share some design cues these days.

[axemurderer101]

im liking this photoshop

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/dlastimosa353/chevysswhite_zpse2af11b4.jpg

[DMW]

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFCalaisShowCar_zpsc486ba3c.jpg

[Plenty]

Well I was thinking that I would wait to see what HSV does, but now I think I might buy an SS variant so the grill matches my wife's Hyundai i30 :)
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You could probably throw in a bit of the FG MKII in to that as well. The trapezoidal front is actually part of Ford global design DNA.

[Evman]

A pearl white would be a welcome addition to the colour line-up

[Angeldust]

lol, i hate pearl white... every second white car is now pearl white... they look 'dirty'....

[vessute08]

Be nice to see the new ute lineup

[seedyrom]

Can you still fit three sets of golf clubs in the boot?

I'm sure it's just good design, but the boot seems small

[VYBerlinaV8]

Any news as to the long wheelbase version yet?

[Waughy]

Saw one on an Astra a while ago :doh:

Haven't seen any Captivas with them yet. Thought I would have by now seeing as it's sold as a Chev overseas. Unlike VT-VZ commodores that aren't, but people still put badges on.
Back on topic, the more I look at the Calais V pics, the more I'm liking it. It's my pick so far, with dark interior. Waiting to see the SS, will check out the HSV's but none will be in my price range I'm thinking. I'll find out when the $$$$ numbers are released.

[VH-COM]

Holden interior design manager John Field :
"Addressing one of the biggest criticisms of the VE, the A-pillars gain different trim and linings that are about 4mm slimmer, to increase the field of vision, albeit only slightly."

4mm might work ! .... keeps the same proven strength and safety.

[Evman]

lol, i hate pearl white... every second white car is now pearl white... they look 'dirty'....

Some do, but some pearls are just awesome. They give the car depth rather than just being washed out


Unlike VT-VZ commodores that aren't, but people still put badges on.

They were sold to the middle east as Chevs, so 'technically' legit too

[dgp]

Haven't seen any Captivas with them yet. Thought I would have by now seeing as it's sold as a Chev overseas. Unlike VT-VZ commodores that aren't, but people still put badges on.
Back on topic, the more I look at the Calais V pics, the more I'm liking it. It's my pick so far, with dark interior. Waiting to see the SS, will check out the HSV's but none will be in my price range I'm thinking. I'll find out when the $$$$ numbers are released.

I saw a Captiva with a Chev badge just the other day....I had to laugh

[Waughy]

Some do, but some pearls are just awesome. They give the car depth rather than just being washed out



They were sold to the middle east as Chevs, so 'technically' legit too

Yep, forgot they sent them there.

[Jamolad]

How much weight did they save from the alluminium panels, and how much weight saved overall (i would assume there was also some weight gained from the extra gadgetry etc)????

I've read they removed 70kg of weight, but the new gadgets added 30kg, so the nett result is a reduction of 40kg overall.

So if you upgrade from VE to VF, you can stop jogging and eat lots of pizzas.

[Jag530G]

I saw a Captiva with a Chev badge just the other day....I had to laugh

In many parts of the world the Captiva, Cruze, Barina, Spark, Commodore, Caprice and Volt are sold as Chevs. Carpice is also sold as a Buick Park Avenue in China (and IIRC a Daewoo in ROK). Monaro was sold as Chev Lumina Coupe in M/E as well as Pontiac GTO and Vauxhall Monaro.

Cheers, Matthew

[BigFella]

i hope people pile back into showrooms like the old days when VT came out! good time for salesmen to make some good $$$ and not offer big discounts!

[Aus8]

The pricing will have to be spot on to get lots of private buyers back. The AUD has suddenly not got more favourable to Aus manufacturers with this launch. Great car no doubt but pricing will be key to its success.

[Jonesy40]

The pricing will have to be spot on to get lots of private buyers back. The AUD has suddenly not got more favourable to Aus manufacturers with this launch. Great car no doubt but pricing will be key to its success.

exactly after years of being able to get an SS for early 40K drive away no private buyer is going to want to pay $50K + only for them to drop the prices in 6-12 months time.

i think it is a great step forward for Holden but have you just stated the pricing will dictate weather it sells or not.

[CLUBRED]

4mm might work ! .... keeps the same proven strength and safety.

I'm no car engineer, but I think they could ahve got more out of the trims than 4mm. 4-5mm gained just by angling the VE door/window jamb trim up and out a bit alone I reckon.

[VH-COM]

I'm no car engineer, but I think they could ahve got more out of the trims than 4mm. 4-5mm gained just by angling the VE door/window jamb trim up and out a bit alone I reckon.

I always thought there was easy improvements that could have been made with Series 2 on the pillar.
They sure knew it was needing attention as the interior design manager said ..."Addressing one of the biggest criticisms of the VE, the A-pillars "
First test-drives by the motoring journos will no doubt let everyone know if it is improved.

[Speedy Gonzales]

i hope people pile back into showrooms like the old days when VT came out! good time for salesmen to make some good $$$ and not offer big discounts!

Willing to be proven wrong but I dont think that is going to happen, the numbers are hitting volumes close to when Mitsubishi shut down the Magna, beats me why the money doesnt go towards a small mid sized rear drive Torana rather than continue to pump money into a declining large car market, Holden has sadly lost its way and the public is voting with their wallets.

If Holden want my support, they should build a car I want to buy, considering majority here subsidise GMH through their taxes, a tax incentive to buy a Holden car say 20% for citizens or perm residents, otherwise I buy another brand

[Marco]

beats me why the money doesnt go towards a small mid sized rear drive Torana rather than continue to pump money into a declining large car market

Who'd buy it?
The small fraction of people who'd like a RWD sedan, don't want a large one, and can't afford a 3 series?
Joe and Joanne Average would look at the cramped interior packaging of a mid-sized RWD sedan and then go off and buy a Camry instead.

[Pickles]

Who'd buy it?
The small fraction of people who'd like a RWD sedan, don't want a large one, and can't afford a 3 series?
Joe and Joanne Average would look at the cramped interior packaging of a mid-sized RWD sedan and then go off and buy a Camry instead.
Unfortunately, I agree with you.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Evman]

I'd buy a second hand one...

...When I (hopefully) finish uni in 3 years :p

[macca_779]

Ls3 in a RWD Cruze. I'd buy that for a dollar

[VYSHSV8]

Ls3 in a RWD Cruze. I'd buy that for a dollar

And take it to Temora to give Daz a run haha

[macca_779]

And take it to Temora to give Daz a run haha

Meh I already trap faster than Daz's 300+ rwkw barge.

[VYSHSV8]

Haha I know ;)
So do I easily

[macca_779]

Haha I know ;)
So do I easily

Yeah but I only had 230odd lol

[Vulture]

If Holden want my support, they should build a car I want to buy, considering majority here subsidise GMH through their taxes, a tax incentive to buy a Holden car say 20% for citizens or perm residents, otherwise I buy another brand

Exactly, the billions that the tax payers has contributed is scandal as far as I am concerned.

[Plenty]

Exactly, the billions that the tax payers has contributed is scandal as far as I am concerned.

Billions? You sure about that?

[DMW]

Real deal -

VF SSV (New hero colour / Fantale)

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFssv_zps87b5e159.jpg

[Plenty]

Real deal -

VF SSV (New hero colour / Fantale)

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFssv_zps87b5e159.jpg

The real deal? No! Its a CGI and with HSV wheels on it, that looks so much like a Mazda 6 at the rear end in that picture.

[steve_t]

Not a fan of the back end :(

[plonkerchops]

oh goodie, Tiger Mica again...arent they HSV wheels?

[Smitty]

Exactly, the billions that the tax payers has contributed is scandal as far as I am concerned.

you must REALLY be pissed off with the mining industry then....

they received grants and subsidies far greater than anything the auto industry gets (or will ever get)
eg...the equipment grants (yes just equipment) were more than $2 BILLION last year

nothing like what the auto makers got

[bouka]

http://video.carsguide.com.au/2335062396/Holden-Commdore-SS-V

Vf hsv must be something really special because the vf ssv is very well specked.

That interior is better decked out than current hsv.

[Marco]

Interior on the SSV looks great. I must be getting old though, I think I'd rather have the Calais based on looks. (You can call me Gramps from now on...)

What are those front seats from? Look very different to VE.

[axemurderer101]

http://video.carsguide.com.au/2335062396/Holden-Commdore-SS-V

Vf hsv must be something really special because the vf ssv is very well specked.

That interior is better decked out than current hsv.

i wonder how hsv will add extra gauges in these?

looks good with the all black interior, but why wouldnt they go with the black pillar trims and roof?

[VHSLE]

Isn't this a hour or two early ?

Not that I'm complaining

[VHSLE]

looks good with the all black interior, but why wouldnt they go with the black pillar trims and roof?

I thought exactly the same thing, I have an SV6 at the moment and much prefer the darker pillars and roof lining.

[Alex(AUS)]

http://video.carsguide.com.au/2335062396/Holden-Commdore-SS-V

Vf hsv must be something really special because the vf ssv is very well specked.

That interior is better decked out than current hsv.

When do we see HSV reveal?

Alex

[Drizt]

Awesome.

Welcome back Holden :)

[bouka]

When do we see HSV reveal?

Alex

Not for a while. My guess would be may but a bit of a moving target atm.