VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics from post #216 onwards

[falcom]

According to the news story in carsguide regarding the NRL Sponsorship deal with Holden the VF Commodore will be revealed next week.

See story here : http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/holden_sponsors_nrl_kangaroos_and_state_of_origin


Let's hope the long wait for VF has been worth it and that Holden doesn't price it out of the market.

[Evman]

Where have all the magazine "spy photos" been hiding?

[calais190]

After reading 3,000 posts about the new VF, I think I'm now at the point where I couldn't care less anymore. They will have the same engines, probably the same power outputs, look a little different and will surely have resigned badges. Woop Di Doo...

[steve_t]

After reading 3,000 posts about the new VF, I think I'm now at the point where I couldn't care less anymore. They will have the same engines, probably the same power outputs, look a little different and will surely have resigned badges. Woop Di Doo...

But but... badges! :hide:

[Hos]

I've been given the impression depending on what Holden V8 model you choose, there may be engine choice, and HSV may indeed have a new 'package'.

[SUPERH2377]

the maloo will have a new rear bumper surround under the tailgate I passed one the other night taped up so u couldnt see anything couldnt get any pictures he passed me to quick but I did notice a camera thing on both sides of the rear side window aimed towards the rear of the car

[Goggles]

looks like the release date is 10 February. oh and I saw a VF on the way home, completely undisguised................................sadly no pics and it was a VF Valiant!

[jeepers]

looks like the release date is 10 February. oh and I saw a VF on the way home, completely undisguised................................sadly no pics and it was a VF Valiant!

hahahahaha

[BLACK 346]

looks like the release date is 10 February. oh and I saw a VF on the way home, completely undisguised................................sadly no pics and it was a VF Valiant!

Gold. My first car was a VF Valo.

[Troutman]

VF is old news already. I've got pictures of its successor, the VG!

http://richardlewis.org/pictures/thumbs/images/holdenute/23-vg_ute-01.jpg

[VYSHSV8]

^^^^^ haha gold rofl

[Smashfist]

I'm told VF isn't due until mid-year.

[redvxr8clubby]

Gold. My first car was a VF Valo.

My Dad had a red VF Valiant Pacer when new 1969. I didn't mind the VG's at the time, I never did like the slant 6 in the VF and earlier, but the hemi was alright at the time. I did own a 265 4 speed VJ Charger base model (my first new car) back in 1973, complete with no radio, no power steering and no power booster for the brakes.

[Goggles]

My Dad had a red VF Valiant Pacer when new 1969. I didn't mind the VG's at the time, I never did like the slant 6 in the VF and earlier, but the hemi was alright at the time. I did own a 265 4 speed VJ Charger base model (my first new car) back in 1973, complete with no radio, no power steering and no power booster for the brakes.
my mum and dad had a VE Valiant like this one:1868
great car, and now my family has had two VE model cars!!

[BLACK 346]

My Dad had a red VF Valiant Pacer when new 1969. I didn't mind the VG's at the time, I never did like the slant 6 in the VF and earlier, but the hemi was alright at the time. I did own a 265 4 speed VJ Charger base model (my first new car) back in 1973, complete with no radio, no power steering and no power booster for the brakes.

Pacers are going up in value now. My second car was a 318 4 Speed CL Charger, wish I still had that one :(

[Aus8]

I'm told VF isn't due until mid-year.

It's racing in 4 weeks time at the clipsal 500 so at the very least it will break cover in the next week or two as the teams launch their cars. They won't want to wait too long after its broken cover until they can deliver cars as no one will buy VE's with the VF shape already out. Mid year is definitely not the case.

[Smashfist]

It's racing in 4 weeks time at the clipsal 500 so at the very least it will break cover in the next week or two as the teams launch their cars. They won't want to wait too long after its broken cover until they can deliver cars as no one will buy VE's with the VF shape already out. Mid year is definitely not the case.

They're already clearing VE's and it's a good idea to parade them around a bit to generate some publicity before launch. I can't share my sources but I'd probably be inclined to believe them rather than "it's racing in 4 weeks time so they have to release them".

[Aus8]

We'll soon see but no way it will be June or around mid year.

[Hos]

My source has said VF will be on sale in March.

[bigfoot]

Pacers are going up in value now. My second car was a 318 4 Speed CL Charger, wish I still had that one :(

Nice cars, quite rare these days.

[whitels1ss]

Pacers are going up in value now. My second car was a 318 4 Speed CL Charger, wish I still had that one :(

Yeah I used to own a 360 Charger and my son is building another one at the moment, here is a pic of my old one.

1871

[VHSLE]

The Holden website has changed, "What does the new VF look like", "Build the New Commodore", starting February 6:

https://buildthecommodore.com.au/?utm_source=Holden&utm_medium=HomepageBanner&utm_content=JoinTheHunt&utm_campaign=Build_New_VF_Commmodore

There is also this new article online stating Public reveal in Melbourne on Sunday 10 February:

http://performancedrive.com.au/2013-holden-vf-commodore-to-be-unveiled-february-10/

The VF graphic on this website seems pretty legitimate to me.

Looks like the early February reveal theory was accurate.

[Rick76]

HRT VF launch is on Feb 11.

[Marco]

So does that mean there will be no such thing as a 2013 built VE?

[Hos]

So does that mean there will be no such thing as a 2013 built VE?

There may have been in early January, but I gather they are tooling up for VF now.

[Goggles]

So does that mean there will be no such thing as a 2013 built VE? not sure, but it will be interesting to see what the sales figures of the VE are like now that the VF is imminent

[steve_t]

My source has said VF will be on sale in March.

Thank God/Allah/Science. I feel like I've been waiting for so long!!

[redvxr8clubby]

not sure, but it will be interesting to see what the sales figures of the VE are like now that the VF is imminent

I wouldn't buy a new VE right now, if your in the market for new Commodore I'd be waiting until VF is out, if you not that keen on the VF, the VE's should have good discounts going. If you can wait even longer the VF's will settle back to normal pricing as I would expect soon after release, while there is VE stock around the VF will be significantly higher price (nearer RRP), as the VE stocks run down, the VF pricing will come back to normal pricing more say like late last year. Hopefully sales will pick up with the VF, it will be a shame to see them disappear if sales keep falling. I can't help but think they made the VE too big for a lot of buyers. I have a VE SV6 but really it's bigger than I need, a pity they couldn't make a Torana type of car again, something smaller than Commodore, but using the same engines and RWD, you would think a 3 litre Torana like the Motor show VE styled Torana some years ago would have market appeal. It seems a pity they don't seem to be able to build various body styles now like they used to, I guess the cost of development with the sophistication of cars now, makes it a costly exercise.

[jsme]

If there's no power upgrades across the range I'll hang on to my VE.

[VYBerlinaV8]

If there's no power upgrades across the range I'll hang on to my VE.

I'd say there's more likelihood of improvements to fuel economy than extra performance, at least in the 6 cyl range. The V8s could be a different story. Could be a good time to get a VE bargain.

[Troutman]

Weight reduction is a similar, in fact superior benefit compared to power increases.

[redvxr8clubby]

I'd say there's more likelihood of improvements to fuel economy than extra performance, at least in the 6 cyl range. The V8s could be a different story. Could be a good time to get a VE bargain.

That would be my guess as well, current trends are in favour of fuel economy, chasing extra power isn't likely, at least for main stream models. I recall reading sometime ago that the bonnet would be made from aluminium for obvious weight saving, contributing to fuel savings.

[VH-COM]

They sure have kept secrets secure this time around - only days away from release and no one knows any details for sure.
Holden boss said publicly last year that some panels would be thinner metal to save weight ... so maybe not aluminium .

[Plenty]

All i can say is, expect your insurance premiums to go up on the Commodore if they use as much aluminium as they say they are going to.

[Plenty]

They sure have kept secrets secure this time around - only days away from release and no one knows any details for sure.
Holden boss said publicly last year that some panels would be thinner metal to save weight ... so maybe not aluminium .

They have also cut down weld width as well, was also a technique used in the Volt to keep weight down.

[CLUBRED]

I wouldn't buy a new VE right now, if your in the market for new Commodore I'd be waiting until VF is out, if you not that keen on the VF, the VE's should have good discounts going. If you can wait even longer the VF's will settle back to normal pricing as I would expect soon after release, while there is VE stock around the VF will be significantly higher price (nearer RRP), as the VE stocks run down, the VF pricing will come back to normal pricing more say like late last year.

If the VF carries a price premium over VE they won't sell any. They have to be cheaper.

[falcom]

They sure have kept secrets secure this time around - only days away from release and no one knows any details for sure.
Holden boss said publicly last year that some panels would be thinner metal to save weight ... so maybe not aluminium .

I was thinking the same thing . In this day and age with the Internet and basically everyone having a camera with them, they have done amazingly well to keep most info secret.

Here's hoping for at least 70kg weight saving , much better quality interior with improved quality and reliability all around at similar prices that the VE has been selling for in the last 2 or 3 years .(eg: Manual SV6 for around $35k drive away)

[Brett240]

If the VF carries a price premium over VE they won't sell any. They have to be cheaper.

they will sell at least one, im impatiently waiting for a VF Tourer

[Ausmartin1]

They have also cut down weld width as well, was also a technique used in the Volt to keep weight down.

Please send link to article with Volt as all I can find is GM new welding technique for aluminum which they are using in "hood of its Cadillac CTS-V and tailgates for its Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon hybrids, GM says the process will be used ‘more extensively’ from 2013."

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079385_gms-aluminum-welding-process-means-lighter-cars-better-gas-mileage

Cheers,
Martin

[Plenty]

Please send link to article with Volt as all I can find is GM new welding technique for aluminum which they are using in "hood of its Cadillac CTS-V and tailgates for its Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon hybrids, GM says the process will be used ‘more extensively’ from 2013."

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079385_gms-aluminum-welding-process-means-lighter-cars-better-gas-mileage

Cheers,
Martin

I can't remember exactly where is saw it whether it be a magazine or the web, but i'm sure it was a technique they pulled from either the Cruze of the Volt! They found they could nearly cut the seam welds in half and still maintain all the structural strength and rigidity that they needed.

[Plenty]

Interesting read Here (http://gearheads.org/the-2013-holden-commodore-does-vf-stand-for-very-fast/)

Looks like we may get the LT1 after all, it's a strange figure to just pull from no where 310Kw!

[Marco]

If there's no power upgrades across the range I'll hang on to my VE.

But if what you want is more power, just mod your VE! I won't be buying a VF anytime soon but may look at doing so later in the model's life cycle, if not the Caprice equivalent (if that's still around).

[bouka]

No lt1, not even for HSV (not yet and for at least 12 months).

[jsme]

But if what you want is more power, just mod your VE! I won't be buying a VF anytime soon but may look at doing so later in the model's life cycle, if not the Caprice equivalent (if that's still around).

Not too keen on modding while car is under warranty.

[falcom]

No lt1, not even for HSV (not yet and for at least 12 months).

I know that everybody is saying this, but if the VF SS gets the 6.2 LS3 then HSV loses one of its advantages over the SS.

If my memory serves me correctly, HSV was one of the first cars with an LS3 so why can't they do it again and release it with the LT1.

Lets hope HSV pull a surprise .

[macca_779]

I know that everybody is saying this, but if the VF SS gets the 6.2 LS3 then HSV loses one of its advantages over the SS.

If my memory serves me correctly, HSV was one of the first cars with an LS3 so why can't they do it again and release it with the LT1.

Lets hope HSV pull a surprise .

It will not happen period.

[Phizzle]

Weight reduction is a similar, in fact superior benefit compared to power increases.
Exactly. Faster, more nimble, uses less fuel, brakes better...

[Hos]

I know that everybody is saying this, but if the VF SS gets the 6.2 LS3 then HSV loses one of its advantages over the SS.

If my memory serves me correctly, HSV was one of the first cars with an LS3 so why can't they do it again and release it with the LT1.

Lets hope HSV pull a surprise .

My source has led me to believe that there are options as to which V8 variant you buy, be it Holden or HSV. So I feel there will be some engine change/update from at least HSV, so Holden will follow also. I say this in relation to discussions regarding entirely different exhaust componentry and layout etc etc. too many things I have been told point towards substantial changes.

[Goggles]

My source has led me to believe that there are options as to which V8 variant you buy, be it Holden or HSV.
interesting, but Holden has also said that the VF range will be consist of less variants - presumably to get rid of the low sellers, but also to reduce complexity on the production line. so if there are more V8 choices, wouldn't this increase complexity?

[macca_779]

interesting, but Holden has also said that the VF range will be consist of less variants - presumably to get rid of the low sellers, but also to reduce complexity on the production line. so if there are more V8 choices, wouldn't this increase complexity?

2 V6's and 3 V8's across holden and HSV platforms. Yep that's an increase... By 1

[steve_t]

I know that everybody is saying this, but if the VF SS gets the 6.2 LS3 then HSV loses one of its advantages over the SS.

If my memory serves me correctly, HSV was one of the first cars with an LS3 so why can't they do it again and release it with the LT1.

Lets hope HSV pull a surprise .

A S/C LT1 would be amazing but I guess they'll need to keep that ace up their sleeve for another 4-5 years

[macca_779]

A S/C LT1 would be amazing but I guess they'll need to keep that ace up their sleeve for another 4-5 years

By then commodore will be nearly dead. Can't see HSV investing that much money on an engine that doesn't even exist yet

[Goggles]

By then commodore will be nearly dead. Can't see HSV investing that much money on an engine that doesn't even exist yet engine does exist, but not yet on sale as the C7 Corvette doesn't go on sale until later this year. The LT1 won't appear in any other car before the Corvette.

[macca_779]

engine does exist, but not yet on sale as the C7 Corvette doesn't go on sale until later this year. The LT1 won't appear in any other car before the Corvette.

Show me this supercharged lt1 that exists.

[Goggles]

Show me this supercharged lt1 that exists.
ok point taken. I missed the reference to s/c

[Plenty]

2 V6's and 3 V8's across holden and HSV platforms. Yep that's an increase... By 1

So if the third engine is not the LT1, which variant is it? Is it maybe the L99 with AFM?

[Angeldust]

i think it will be like with the early VE's. HSV had the ls2, whilke holden got the l98/76 --> Which is basically an ls2 block with DoD heads and different cam.

HSV will still have the ls3, but the holden's will get the 'ls3' block with afm heads and different cam. It will be called something else (ie not ls3) and eventually
hsv's will get the lt1....

[Plenty]

i think it will be like with the early VE's. HSV had the ls2, whilke holden got the l98/76 --> Which is basically an ls2 block with DoD heads and different cam.

HSV will still have the ls3, but the holden's will get the 'ls3' block with afm heads and different cam. It will be called something else (ie not ls3) and eventually
hsv's will get the lt1....

The LS3 with AFM is the L99 as seen in the new camaro, it has 300Kw which doesn't leave much head room for the HSV unless the bump up it's power a bit.

[Pickles]

I have no inside info.....only what I've read.
So, I've read that maybe a "6.2L" engine will find its way into SS, particularly for the American market.
When VZ was introduced, HSV was the 1st to receive LS2...shortly after the Corvette, so I would expect the same to happen with LT1....but I reckon there'll be more of a delay than with LS2.
VF HSV?..What I'm hearing is that initially they will be LS3 powered, but I'm also hearing that GTS is going to have more power, I've also heard "LSA".....but this engine may be too "old" to use, although I'm sure no-one would complain about 432kw?
All "speculation", from me anyway, at this stage.
Cheers, Pickles.

[steve_t]

This transition period would be a good time for HSV to implement the LSA. 415kW isn't it?

[6_litre_man]

Has anyone seen this thing kicking around? goes live in 2 days and someone will win a new vf

https://buildthecommodore.com.au/

Cheers
Matt

[VL Executive]

Bit of trivia I spose - But VF will be the first February released / launched Commodore model since the VL in 1986.

[Smitty]

Bit of trivia I spose - But VF will be the first February released / launched Commodore model since the VL in 1986.

VL was dictated by the release of ULP from 1 Jan 86...not GM model years

[Brett240]

VF will have electric power steering. must admit im a bit worried about that. it tends to get a bad write up, except for Porsche...

[bouka]

VF will have electric power steering. must admit im a bit worried about that. it tends to get a bad write up, except for Porsche...

And heated seats and heads up display amongst many other options.

[bouka]

I know that everybody is saying this, but if the VF SS gets the 6.2 LS3 then HSV loses one of its advantages over the SS.

If my memory serves me correctly, HSV was one of the first cars with an LS3 so why can't they do it again and release it with the LT1.

Lets hope HSV pull a surprise .

Vf ss does not get ls3.

Us ss does.

Hsv does not get lt1. It gets same motor as it has now (with one exception).

[macca_779]

(with one exception).

And that exception won't be available at initial release right Bouka ;-)

[steve_t]

HUD! Yuss!! I loved the HUD in the Camaro I drove. I also preferred the cruise control buttons on the steering wheel as opposed to the stalk but I suspect that won't change

[Plenty]

. I also preferred the cruise control buttons on the steering wheel as opposed to the stalk but I suspect that won't change

I hope they change it too. The Falcons set point cruise control with steering wheel control's is so much better than the VE It's a helluva a lot easier to use.

[Pickles]

Vf ss does not get ls3.

Us ss does.

Hsv does not get lt1. It gets same motor as it has now (with one exception).S
Sounds interesting!!!.....So, as a well known Australian once said, can you, "please explain"?
Cheers, Pickles.

[CLUBRED]

Hope we get braked cruise control..

[Plenty]

Active cruise is one of the rumored features

[Brett240]

S
Sounds interesting!!!.....So, as a well known Australian once said, can you, "please explain"?
Cheers, Pickles.

Our SS and the american SS are not the same car. Their SS sits inbetween an SSV and a HSV

[Plenty]

The US SS I imagine like the Pontiac will be based on our SSV only with the LS3 instead and maybe a few extra trinkets.

[CLUBRED]

And yet our SS will be more expensive $ for $

[steve_t]

Hope we get braked cruise control..

Haven't the E2 and E3 had "extended cruise control" for ages now? That's cruise control that applies the brakes as necessary

[CLUBRED]

The birth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DlOnXw8cnA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Ap5U0mvRs

[zorro]

Has anyone seen this thing kicking around? goes live in 2 days and someone will win a new vf

https://buildthecommodore.com.au/

Cheers
Matt

Yeah this has been floating on their Facebook page for a week or so now, says piece the '101' bits together to reveal the VF.

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I'm more excited about footy starting up than the new commodore.....

[jc_sv8]

The birth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DlOnXw8cnA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Ap5U0mvRs

What a beauty! It even has VB music, You can get one making a bed, or shooting pigs dead, as a matter of fact I've got one now, aaaahhhhhh...

[korrupt]

Has anyone got any more info on what Holden plans to do on Sunday for the public reveal ?

[Marco]

I heard they're bringing it round to your place.

[jboy21]

Get on their knees and beg people to buy it?

[Brett240]

the barinas mylink system gives an idea of what we are getting

http://www.holden.com.au/vehicles/barina/interior

[CLUBRED]

If you screen print the buildthecommodore clue page a few times and HDR/stitch it you'll get a good pic minus some important bits like the headlights which we've seen already.

[Plenty]

If you screen print the buildthecommodore clue page a few times and HDR/stitch it you'll get a good pic minus some important bits like the headlights which we've seen already.

Well go on post it up then.

[Jonesy40]

If you screen print the buildthecommodore clue page a few times and HDR/stitch it you'll get a good pic minus some important bits like the headlights which we've seen already.

who has the time to do that

[Marco]

If nothing else you can tell from what's there that the bonnet line has become a lot like the Cruze, with a tall and sharp-edged centre section, and the side vent looks to have become tall and narrow.

[VH-COM]

All the computer graphics geeks working on that site and no one has leaked a single pic.
Holden have done really well to keep this under wraps for all this time.
Remember the VY release ? and the Falcon model (forgot the year) where the "leaked" photos were found on the rubbish dump somewhere.

[VL Executive]

And the Falcon model (forgot the year) where the "leaked" photos were found on the rubbish dump somewhere.

Had a chuckle at this comment, The photos were Found On Rubbish Dump :lol:


But Im surprised also no graphics geeks have posted up any creations - what happened to the guy that was here a few years ago doing all the CGI's of the VE ute before release? He turned out some good CGI's

[steve_t]

Were there any predictions by Wheels or Motor?

[macca_779]

Had a chuckle at this comment, The photos were Found On Rubbish Dump :lol:


But Im surprised also no graphics geeks have posted up any creations - what happened to the guy that was here a few years ago doing all the CGI's of the VE ute before release? He turned out some good CGI's

No one cares anymore to bother might be a good reason why.

[BLACK 346]

I was wondering why we haven't seen more getting around Elizabeth, then this morning a work mate reckons he saw one. Says it looked very cruze like from the front and was wearing chev badges. Sorry, not much info, and no photo unfortunately. Guess it wont be long now and all will be revealed.

[zorro]

All the computer graphics geeks working on that site and no one has leaked a single pic.
Holden have done really well to keep this under wraps for all this time.
Remember the VY release ? and the Falcon model (forgot the year) where the "leaked" photos were found on the rubbish dump somewhere.

They all want to keep their jobs for when the redundancies are offered

[VH-COM]

Had a chuckle at this comment, The photos were Found On Rubbish Dump :lol:



They really were found in a dumpster in Broadmeadows I think it was .... of course for the Holden guys it was on a rubbish dump.

[Jag530G]

No one cares anymore to bother might be a good reason why.

I am really surprised as to how little anyone cares. People should care, next time round all we'll have left to do is salivate over some new model Captiva...

Cheers, Matthew

[macca_779]

I am really surprised as to how little anyone cares. People should care, next time round all we'll have left to do is salivate over some new model Captiva...

Cheers, Matthew

Ill get excited in about 6 months when the new GTS comes out..

[jboy21]

If you flick through this url https://assets.buildthecommodore.com.au/assets/7fd10bfa/x.jpg and replace x with a number between 1 and 101 you can download all the good quality bits

this one bothers me https://assets.buildthecommodore.com.au/assets/7fd10bfa/55.jpg
It looks like it probably has the weird popping out headlights that camrys have

[Smitty]

.... Guess it wont be long now and all will be revealed.

yep..from Holden -

Join us online as we unveil & reveal the new Holden VF Commodore LIVE!
Mark it in your calendars... Sun 10Feb @ 10:30 AM AEDT!

RSVP here: http://on.fb.me/Wqu4nU

[Jag530G]

If you flick through this url https://assets.buildthecommodore.com.au/assets/7fd10bfa/x.jpg and replace x with a number between 1 and 101 you can download all the good quality bits

this one bothers me https://assets.buildthecommodore.com.au/assets/7fd10bfa/55.jpg
It looks like it probably has the weird popping out headlights that camrys have

Your 55 link works but when I change it to say 56, it doesn't. Maybe they're on to you!

Cheers, Matthew

[axemurderer101]

Your 55 link works but when I change it to say 56, it doesn't. Maybe they're on to you!

Cheers, Matthew

go to the clues section, pretty sure those are the only numbers that work so far.
might be a couple days before 56 works if ya get what i mean.

[Goggles]

go to the clues section, pretty sure those are the only numbers that work so far.
might be a couple days before 56 works if ya get what i mean.
who's gonna be the first to stitch the pieces together to show the car?

[CLUBRED]

22 24 26 30 works..

[Marco]

Based on the image on that site, I reckon the base model might just be Commodore this time around. The number plate says Commodore but it also looks to have fairly big alloys, 18s or so. They don't look like a sports design and if it was a Calais, the plate would say that. That leads me to think the base car will be on 18s and just called Commodore to simplify the range. Commodore, Calais, and the sports models, done.

[jboy21]

This is all there is, i started stiching them but its ****ing hard and i gave up :)
http://i.imgur.com/z4GH0Tc.jpg (http://imgur.com/z4GH0Tc)

[Jag530G]

This is all there is, i started stiching them but its ****ing hard and i gave up :)
http://i.imgur.com/z4GH0Tc.jpg (http://imgur.com/z4GH0Tc)

Definitely a Cruze style bonnet, you can see the crease line running above the headlight on the right side of images and also the the slightly left of centre image.

I wonder what spec car they are showing? The plate says Commodore but there seems to be a lot of chrome on it, around the windows, door handles, etc. Maybe GM bought Harley Earl back to life and he walked into the design studio and smothered the nearest VE in chrome...

Cheers, Matthew

[Troutman]

The media has reported there will be a consolidation of the different names used for different variants, just as Ford dropped ageing badges like Fairmont a few years ago. No actual details have come to light though.

[korrupt]

Herald Sun is reporting a few new details, including self parking;


News Limited can also exclusively reveal that drivers will be able to option the car with the internet music service Pandora. The humble handbrake has been replaced by an electronic button.

Article here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/holden-to-unveil-new-commodore-before-bowing-out-in-2016/story-fn7j19iv-1226573139742)

[VH-COM]

Nice graph on that site ...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/01/16/1226555/299962-cars3.JPG

[kevin101]

few things here.
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/new_holden_vf_commodore_can_park_itself

[Red CV8 R]

Based on the image on that site, I reckon the base model might just be Commodore this time around. The number plate says Commodore but it also looks to have fairly big alloys, 18s or so. They don't look like a sports design and if it was a Calais, the plate would say that. That leads me to think the base car will be on 18s and just called Commodore to simplify the range. Commodore, Calais, and the sports models, done.

To me this makes so much sense. Although some people would be annoyed I wonder if they would rationalise completely and just have:

Commodore
Commodore SS
Calais
Caprice

All V6s but each with a V8 option...

[Evman]

Nice graph on that site ...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/01/16/1226555/299962-cars3.JPG

That's depressing

[IJ.]

Is it next week yet? ;)

[Jag530G]

That's depressing

Notice the big jump in sales in the first full year after the introduction of an "all new model". VN came in Sept 1988, big jump in 1989, VT came in Sept 1997, big jump in 1998. VE came in Sept 2006, sales flatlined the next year, no jump.

Interestingly, Ford never really got a jump with an all new model (mainly bacause they were lemons) Introduction of the EA in 1988, AU in 1998 and FG in 2008 didn't do a thing for Ford. Ford seemed to get a big jump out of mid-cycle redesigns, look at the XF in 1985, EF in 1994 and BA in 2002.

The VT and VX were salad days for Holden. XE-XF, EF-EL and BA were the salad days for Ford. The VH dragged on too long for Holden, and the AU pretty much killed Ford.

Ford sold less than 800 Falcon sedans in January. Holden sold around 1600 Commodore sedans/wagons. Admittedly January is slow for fleet sales and the VF is coming soon for Holden but Ford looks terrible.

Cheers, Matthew

[VL Executive]

The media has reported there will be a consolidation of the different names used for different variants, just as Ford dropped ageing badges like Fairmont a few years ago. No actual details have come to light though.

Well Id say the Berlina name will be gone (Do they even sell any of that variant anymore?)
and all the V spec variants probably.

Really the VF with these new technologies should have been out in 2010 - IMO the gradual upgrades during the VE lifespan have not been good enough. The VE is old, and lacking the tech and refinements of the imports. An example could be like having a VN in production from 1988 to 1995 with minimal changes. wonder how that would've worked out?

[CLUBRED]

Wow, what happened in '83?

[VL Executive]

^ VH was out for too long, people tired of that model being unchanged for so long. And Ford had released two new models in that time XE - XF. Check out the bounce back when the VK was released in '84

Similar thing needs to happen for Commodore right now

[IJ.]

Wow, what happened in '83?
Maybe people weren't too keen on the facelifted VC>VH?
(always had a chuckle that the front guards had the indicator recesses still pressed in under the new plastic wrap around lens)

[C4B]

Nice graph on that site ...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/01/16/1226555/299962-cars3.JPG

Turn the lights out when you leave.......

[whitels1ss]

Nice graph on that site ...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/01/16/1226555/299962-cars3.JPG
Never knew it had dropped by that many, now that is scarey for manufacturing in Australia

[SSer]

Nice graph on that site ...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/01/16/1226555/299962-cars3.JPG

For the 2000's, the VX appears to be a highlight... and then the VY came out... :P

[whitels1ss]

For the 2000's, the VX appears to be a highlight... and then the VY came out... :P

Going by that chart perhaps they should go back and remake the Series I VT again.

[VL Executive]

For the 2000's, the VX appears to be a highlight... and then the VY came out... :P

I woulnt say the VY did that bad - not as good as VX. But at the time people were trying to get their head around the VY's new look, the rear of the VY copped a bit of critisism at the time.

Really the VZ copped the biggest fall (04 - 06 period) I thought the 'Z was generally well received - obviously not according to that. Few spooked by the then new Alloytec V6 maybe?

[CLUBRED]

Going by that chart perhaps they should go back and remake the Series I VT again.

Or market the VE at VT S1 prices.


Really the VZ copped the biggest fall (04 - 06 period) I thought the 'Z was generally well received - obviously not according to that. Few spooked by the then new Alloytec V6 maybe?

Maybe it suffered from "the VE is due soon" and buyers held out for the all new commodore, much like "the VF is due soon, lets wait and see"..

[Smitty]

Turn the lights out when you leave.......

not so sure...


as just reported --
Australian Muscle Car Magazine

...Breaking news.

Holden MD Mike Devereux just said: "We've just started work on the next Commodore after this one (VF)." Adelaide-built Commodore lives beyond 2016!

[C4B]

not so sure...


as just reported --
Australian Muscle Car Magazine

...Breaking news.

Holden MD Mike Devereux just said: "We've just started work on the next Commodore after this one (VF)." Adelaide-built Commodore lives beyond 2016!

PR exercise.

[bigfoot]

PR exercise.
Exactly... could you imagine him saying anything else?:doh:

[pplater]

not so sure...


as just reported --
Australian Muscle Car Magazine

...Breaking news.

Holden MD Mike Devereux just said: "We've just started work on the next Commodore after this one (VF)." Adelaide-built Commodore lives beyond 2016!

Yep, apparently the Commodore will live on:


Company chairman Mike Devereux dropped the bombshell today during a media preview for the heavily revised VF Commodore that it will reveal publicly on Sunday morning.
There has been plenty of speculation that Holden would be forced to drop the Commodore name when the VF is replaced by an all-new vehicle, based on a global General Motors model, will be manufactured in Australia at the end of 2016.
"A lot of folks have been speculating about whether this is the last Commodore ... I can I categorically tell you we have already begun working on the Commodore that comes after this one," he said.
"People love this nameplate. We're going to have another one of these," Devereux said. "General Motors has started working on it, the team here is obviously involved in that as they are working on all sorts of different things and I will say no more of it.
"We will launch another Commodore after this one," he said. "This thing will run through end of '16, after that time we're going to be putting two architectures into the plant ... one of them will underpin the Commodore that replaces the VF.
"It's a huge year for Holden - we're back," he said.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/holden-commodore-will-live-on-20130208-2e358.html

[bigfoot]

I woulnt say the VY did that bad - not as good as VX. But at the time people were trying to get their head around the VY's new look, the rear of the VY copped a bit of critisism at the time.

Really the VZ copped the biggest fall (04 - 06 period) I thought the 'Z was generally well received - obviously not according to that. Few spooked by the then new Alloytec V6 maybe?

Was nothing at all to do with the cars,
it was only a decline in the "Australian Built" car market,
the car sales numbers in general over the past few years have gone up
but this is mainly due to reduced tarrifs, dropping import duty and rising fuel costs which all contibuted
to people switching over to the cheaper smaller engined imported cars.

[SSer]

I woulnt say the VY did that bad - not as good as VX. But at the time people were trying to get their head around the VY's new look, the rear of the VY copped a bit of critisism at the time.

Really the VZ copped the biggest fall (04 - 06 period) I thought the 'Z was generally well received - obviously not according to that. Few spooked by the then new Alloytec V6 maybe?

I was trying to be a smart arse, but I agree. It took a while for people to get their head around the VY shape after the curvier shape of the previous models. I like the VZ shape, if I didnt have a VX SS I'd get a VZ (Z series Senator is a NICE car).

There's obviously a lot more that go with those charts than just buyers being turned off models. Fuel prices and competitor products (especially the SUV craze) really aren't helping. I'd suggest the enthusiast end of the market (ie. anyone on this forum) account for a lot of what's left of those charts with fleets moving to smaller/more economical cars (un-researched opinion). I'd like to think maybe now Holden will finally to it's customers, but with the Cruze etc doing well the Commodore customers don't really stand a chance. You know, all that stuff about their dealer networks, niggles about jacks etc. You know, all the stuff Davo has been telling us we are full of shit about for years.

[bigfoot]

I was trying to be a smart arse, but I agree. It took a while for people to get their head around the VY shape after the curvier shape of the previous models. I like the VZ shape, if I didnt have a VX SS I'd get a VZ (Z series Senator is a NICE car).

There's obviously a lot more that go with those charts than just buyers being turned off models. Fuel prices and competitor products (especially the SUV craze) really aren't helping. I'd suggest the enthusiast end of the market (ie. anyone on this forum) account for a lot of what's left of those charts with fleets moving to smaller/more economical cars (un-researched opinion). I'd like to think maybe now Holden will finally to it's customers, but with the Cruze etc doing well the Commodore customers don't really stand a chance. You know, all that stuff about their dealer networks, niggles about jacks etc. You know, all the stuff Davo has been telling us we are full of shit about for years.

Agreed :goodjob:

[IJ.]

I have a Y and a Z, prefer the Z styling but they're both HUGE cars after the last Commodore I owned way back... (VB)

[Jag530G]

Fuel prices and competitor products (especially the SUV craze) really aren't helping.

Dead right. Iraq war started in 2003 and fuel prices took off and that killed fleet demand for big cars and the SUV craze killed private demand for big cars.

Fleets are never going to go back to big 6cyl sedans ever. SUV craze keeps going, if we had another oil crisis I suspect people would move to smaller SUVs, not back to 6cyl sedans.

If you were planning a range of cars 20 years a go you have small/medium/large sedan, very small/small hatch, large wagon plus an SUV. Now you would have small sedan, verysmall/small hatch, dont bother with a wagon but just have small/medium/large SUVs.

Cheers, Matthew

[Jag530G]

not so sure...


as just reported --
Australian Muscle Car Magazine

...Breaking news.

Holden MD Mike Devereux just said: "We've just started work on the next Commodore after this one (VF)." Adelaide-built Commodore lives beyond 2016!

Probably a tizz up of the VF in 2016 for a run through to 2018 and then thas it. I seriously doubt he means an all new Commodore, unless GM have given a job to Holden to design some sort of sedan for global markets to replace the Commodore and Chevy SS Performance (This is my most wildly optimistic scenario).


Cheers, Matthew

[csv rulz]

Some more info on what was said

http://www.caradvice.com.au/212678/2017-holden-commodore-confirmed/

[jboy21]

Maybe its like how the Cruze went from a softroader awd thing into a midsize sedan/hatch. Maybe the new commodore will morph into an "SUV" as the yanks would say.

But i hope they could make something RWD based on the alpha platform.

[Marco]

^ VH was out for too long, people tired of that model being unchanged for so long. And Ford had released two new models in that time XE - XF. Check out the bounce back when the VK was released in '84

Similar thing needs to happen for Commodore right now

Also in '83 the Camira was the latest thing and was surprisingly popular until they started to get their lemon reputation. Fairly sure there were at least some months in '83 when it outsold the Commodore and people were seriously talking about Camira becoming Australia's biggest seller.

[Marco]

I woulnt say the VY did that bad - not as good as VX. But at the time people were trying to get their head around the VY's new look, the rear of the VY copped a bit of critisism at the time.

Really the VZ copped the biggest fall (04 - 06 period) I thought the 'Z was generally well received - obviously not according to that. Few spooked by the then new Alloytec V6 maybe?

On the VY, don't forget that at around the same time the Falcon went from being a product you were embarassed to be seen in (AU) to something that was arguably better than the Commodore (BA) - even though to look at a BA now you'd think they had all just come from the wreckers, they've aged so badly.

On the VZ, a couple of factors at play - people getting tired of the VT-VZ design after so long, fuel price jump in mid-05 scared fleets, but also don't forget that the Kluger hit the market in 2003 and the Territory in 2004. This was pretty well the first time people could have a large SUV without having to go all the way to a Pajero, Pathfinder etc and they jumped at it.

[DMW]

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/holden-commodore-will-live-on-20130208-2e358.html

"Hoiden Commodore will live on"

The Holden Commodore isn't dead after all.

The Australian car maker confirmed that the long-running nameplate will live on well into the next decade and continue to be built at its Elizabeth plant in South Australia.

Company chairman Mike Devereux dropped the bombshell today during a media preview for the heavily revised VF Commodore that it will reveal publicly on Sunday morning.

There has been plenty of speculation that Holden would drop the Commodore name when the VF is replaced by an all-new vehicle, based on a global General Motors model, that will be manufactured in Australia at the end of 2016.
Advertisement

"A lot of folks have been speculating about whether this is the last Commodore ... I can I categorically tell you we have already begun working on the Commodore that comes after this one," he said.

"People love this nameplate. We're going to have another one of these," Devereux said. "General Motors has started working on it, the team here is obviously involved in that as they are working on all sorts of different things and I will say no more of it.

"We will launch another Commodore after this one," he said. "This thing will run through end of '16, after that time we're going to be putting two architectures into the plant ... one of them will underpin the Commodore that replaces the VF.

"It's a huge year for Holden - we're back," he said......

[VL Executive]

Maybe the new commodore will morph into an "SUV" as the yanks would say.



"We will launch another Commodore after this one," he said. "This thing will run through end of '16, after that time we're going to be putting two architectures into the plant ... one of them will underpin the Commodore that replaces the VF.


Well, The 2 architectures are going to be the Cruze and an SUV type vehicle. So the morph into an SUV may well be true. I dont think the so called new Commodore after VF is going to be the traditional large RWD car as we know it now?

[C4B]

At the end of the day, if they can't make money from Commodore it's not going to continue.

I'm sure if the demand was sufficient, they would continue to build Commodores until 2050, however if the sales decline continues, they simply aren't going to have anyone to sell them to.

[Plenty]

not so sure...


as just reported --
Australian Muscle Car Magazine

...Breaking news.

Holden MD Mike Devereux just said: "We've just started work on the next Commodore after this one (VF)." Adelaide-built Commodore lives beyond 2016!

Hate to say it to all you Pessimists but I Told You So!
How stupid to think that Holden would invest money to only see 3 years out of it.

I hope Joshua Dowling is sucking some serious sour grapes. although he is already at it predicting the next Commodore will be front drive ( he may be correct but he never stops).

[Plenty]

Probably a tizz up of the VF in 2016 for a run through to 2018 and then thas it. I seriously doubt he means an all new Commodore, unless GM have given a job to Holden to design some sort of sedan for global markets to replace the Commodore and Chevy SS Performance (This is my most wildly optimistic scenario).


Cheers, Matthew

There is two new cars to be built here in Australia and the important one is the Commodore, it'll most likely be a smaller version meaning a new platform so not just a jizz up. IMO

[bouka]

Putting a badge on it won't make it a commodore.

[Plenty]

Putting a badge on it won't make it a commodore.

" The event was just about to wrap up when in his closing remarks Holden boss Mike Devereux said: “A lot of folks have been speculating about whether this is the last Commodore … well I can categorically tell you we have already begun working on the Commodore that comes after this one.”

After the speech, Devereux told the frazzled media scrum: “This [Commodore] will run through to the end of 2016. After that time we are going to be putting two global architectures into the [Adelaide] plant, one of them will underpin the next Commodore.”

To make sure he wasn’t misunderstood, Devereux repeated: “There is another Commodore coming after this one. We’re going to build it in Adelaide on a [global] architecture.” "

Sounds good enough to me.

[bouka]

It took everyone by surprise plenty. Even those in the know.

I'm not convinced it will be rear wheel drive or to what extent it will Aussie.

I really want and hope to be wrong.

[Goggles]

I'm not convinced it will be rear wheel drive or to what extent it will Aussie.
I think it will be as Aussie as the current Cruze is - a car that is designed for a number of global markets, but manufactured in Australia. I also think it will be RWD, and surely must have 6 and 8 cylinder engines.

[Jag530G]

There is two new cars to be built here in Australia and the important one is the Commodore, it'll most likely be a smaller version meaning a new platform so not just a jizz up. IMO

The question is what sort of platform?

1) If it is a FWD there is no way GM is going to have a unique-to-Australia car when they have plenty of alternatives around the world. GM has the FWD/AWD Epsilon II platform which in smaller size is used for the Chev Malibu and Opel Insignia and in larger size is used for Cadillac XTS and 2014 Chev Impala. If this option is taken the Commodore will be a Epsilon II car rebadged (this option would also allow for using the larger Epsilon II for the Caprice).

2) Alternatively, if it is to be RWD, then I would say GM will go with what I put in the previous post, a global RWD sedan, based on the Alpha platform (no way can I see GM coughing up for a another new RWD platform) which is used in the Cadillac ATS, 2014 CTS and the next model Camaro. Maybe the Alpha platform for the Camoro and this option will be "cheapened" compared with the Cadillacs, things like steel suspension pieces vs aluminium pieces in the Cadillacs.

But having said all that, I'm dubious about what exactly Devereux means by "the next Commodore" , I contend that this is just a mild facelift in 2016 and in 2018 Holden will build the Cruze and what seems increasingly likely, the Captiva (badged as Commodore?!).

Lets pray for Option 2.

Cheers, Matthew

[Ausmartin1]

There is two new cars to be built here in Australia and the important one is the Commodore, it'll most likely be a smaller version meaning a new platform so not just a jizz up. IMO

Good news factory goes on, unlike Ford, man there quality has not improved has it ?
- just today 3month old Falcon taking a heavy coolant wiz in the gutter, reminds me of all the leaks on my XF when it was new & come to think of when I was a kid my mates dad - New company Ford - same.
You would think after this many years Ford Australia would get there stuff together!

Guess too bad - go Holden as they are definitely more reliable considering seeing a new Falcon is getting hard these days and like today I just shake my head I mean what are the odds?

[Plenty]

It took everyone by surprise plenty. Even those in the know.

I'm not convinced it will be rear wheel drive or to what extent it will Aussie.

I really want and hope to be wrong.

I am surprised by the "New" Commodore part but i did wholeheartedly expect it to last until at least 2018, i think maybe they are relying on the small niche market they have in the US for large RWD sedans.

As for FWD vs RWD drive it's anyones guess? I personally believe that the Sigma II, although supposed to be Cadillac exclusive will be the underpinnings for the new Commodore. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. Bring on the VF i hoping for a dramatic quality improvement.

[Jag530G]

I am surprised by the "New" Commodore part but i did wholeheartedly expect it to last until at least 2018, i think maybe they are relying on the small niche market they have in the US for large RWD sedans.

As for FWD vs RWD drive it's anyones guess? I personally believe that the Sigma II, although supposed to be Cadillac exclusive will be the underpinnings for the new Commodore. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. Bring on the VF i hoping for a dramatic quality improvement.

Which Cadillac/s is Sigma II to be used in?

[bigfoot]

Putting a badge on it won't make it a commodore.

Exactly the same as putting Holden badges on a Daewoo....

They are never the same.

[C4B]

Does it have a diesel variant? One of the big issues I see with Commodore / Falcon is that a 2.5 tonne diesel 4WD will be more fuel efficient, which makes it a hard sell. A diesel variant would certainly open up new markets for it.

[Jac001]

Putting a badge on it won't make it a commodore.

Worked for the monaro.

[Plenty]

Which Cadillac/s is Sigma II to be used in?

CTS/CTS-V wagon and sedan variants.... Oh and the Cadillac STS in China

Only reason i am predicting Sigma II is that it is compatible with alot of Zeta, more so than Sigma I

On the other hand you could be completely correct with the Alpha as that will be the new CTS platform as of 2014. All depends how small they want to go, good thing is Alpha is only AWD and RWD so it's sounding ok to me.

[Jac001]

Exactly the same as putting Holden badges on a Daewoo....

They are never the same.

Considering the commodore was based on a mix of a rekord and senator slapping a holden badged worked ok. Later models were based on the opel omega, and no one complained holden slapped its badge on that?

Most of the older 'daewoo' products are based on opel platforms with opel designed engines.

[Jag530G]

CTS/CTS-V wagon and sedan variants.... Oh and the Cadillac STS in China

Only reason i am predicting Sigma II is that it is compatible with alot of Zeta, more so than Sigma I

I see Sigma II is current CTS, sorry, thought current CTS was Sigma I.

But the next model 2014 CTS is going to be Alpha based. STS Sigma II was replaced by the XTS which is Epsilon II, The SRX Sigma II went to the Theta platform, leaving only the Chinese SLS (Chinese stretched STS) on Sigma II, doesn't look like Sigma II has much of a future.

Cheers, Matthew

[whitels1ss]

Considering the commodore was based on a mix of a rekord and senator slapping a holden badged worked ok. Later models were based on the opel omega, and no one complained holden slapped its badge on that?

Most of the older 'daewoo' products are based on opel platforms with opel designed engines.

Yeah but most of the parts were made by Daewoo in Korea,
Daewoo has never had a good name for quality,
even the Daewoo made Cruze still gets more of it's share of complaints.
The Australian made Holden Commodores are a far better built car with much better CSI.:cheers:

[jboy21]

Why would they make a fwd midsize the same as camry, aren't camry/aurion sales down even more than commodore, like 70%?

[VYSHSV8]

1884
Here ya go a new yooooooot

[COSMOS]

1884
Here ya go a new yooooooot

Not as bad as it could have been.... so they used the chevy impala front. I like the new arches etc... Dash is very Cruze like.

[Brett240]

wow how did this photo get out? those guards look pumped put wonder if the tray is wider? instruments do like like the cruze, better than VE though

[VL Executive]

So thats definantly the VF Ute? Looks alot different to VE. Although viewing the pic on my mobile. Have to get on the desktop pc for a better look

[IJ.]

I like the B pillar, the waistline looks like an old man with his pants pulled up to his chest...

[VH-COM]

Can't believe they would have put the effort and expenditure into moving the A pillar and redesigning door frames etc ... compare distance from front door to wheel arch.
Looks about 100mm .... VE is about 3 times that distance.

[Tre-Cool]

i think the new shape is to make it look el camino esk for export to the us.

[whitels1ss]

I just Google "VF Commodore Spy Pics" and here are a few that came up;)


1895


1892


1893


1894

[QldKev]

I just Google "VF Commodore Spy Pics" and here are a few that came up;)


1895


1892


1893


1894



The firt 2 look very ford'ish

[macca_779]

Love those instruments. Massive improvement over VE

[Evman]

Can't believe they would have put the effort and expenditure into moving the A pillar and redesigning door frames etc ... compare distance from front door to wheel arch.
Looks about 100mm .... VE is about 3 times that distance.

Agreed, there are some MAJOR sheetmetal changes if that's legit. I can't see how they'd do it though? The engine is already pushed so far back in the VE that can't just go and move the cabin forward? The doors don't look any larger, it's like the whole cabin has been moved forward 100mm

[lowfly]

Links to pics not working, can someone post them up please.

[whitels1ss]

Links to pics not working, can someone post them up please.
They are working fine for me mate

[Plenty]

Can't believe they would have put the effort and expenditure into moving the A pillar and redesigning door frames etc ... compare distance from front door to wheel arch.
Looks about 100mm .... VE is about 3 times that distance.

Looks can be quite deceiving in photos so we'll just have to wait until the official release, they had to fix the 'A' pillars, it was a pet hate of everyones and quite a dangerous blind spot.
Unlike Ford who keep failing to address the shite seating position Holden have clearly listened and done something about it!

[Plenty]

I would say that the interior will look alot like this.
http://images.caricos.com/c/chevrolet/2013_chevrolet_impala/images/1920x1080/2013_chevrolet_impala_7_1920x1080.jpg

[zorro]

Considering the commodore was based on a mix of a rekord and senator slapping a holden badged worked ok. Later models were based on the opel omega, and no one complained holden slapped its badge on that?

Most of the older 'daewoo' products are based on opel platforms with opel designed engines.

Funny how this is forgotten and not known by many..... Holden were given a made car and told to make it work for Australia, they did and called it a VB, VC, VH, VK, VL, VN, VR, VS, VT, VX, VY & VZ.

Imagine if they released a HSV badged Lotus Carlton :drool:

[VH-COM]

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/yankeeclip/yoot.jpg

Original pic was wrong height to width ratio .... now does it look better?

[kevin101]

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1884&d=1360344064

compared to the VE I'm not really a fan just doesn't flow as nice..

http://www.trulinesteering.com.au/Images/Gallery/Commodore_VE-SS_UTE-Khfl-150SSL-152SSL.jpg

[kevin101]

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/yankeeclip/yoot.jpg

Original pic was wrong height to width ratio .... now does it look better?

Now it looks better! makes my post ^ irrelevant now :rofl:

[steve_t]

compared to the VE I'm not really a fan just doesn't flow as nice..


Agree, but then again, the VE pictured is lowered and has side skirts. Hard to compare. I guess it'll depend on the final product and also the interior quality as to whether I trade the E1 Maloo in for a VF Maloo (or whatever ute) or pick up an E3, or just stay with the E1
Actually, flow aside, it seems to have strange looking proportions

[Jag530G]

Actually, flow aside, it seems to have strange looking proportions

Yeah, the bonnet looks sky high, makes the car look like a 4WD. Maybe that's the plan to reclaim sales from SUV buyers...

Cheers, Matthew

[lowfly]

still stretched too much. Is that a trick of the light or is that a huge rear wheel arch.

Now it looks better! makes my post ^ irrelevant now :rofl:

[VH-COM]

still stretched too much..

Fixed ....
Photobucket pic modded .... so a browser refresh will show proper aspect ratio IMO

[VL Executive]

Comparison with another VE ute pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/87vlexec/VEUte-1_zps4d8189bc.jpg

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1884&d=1360344064

Hmmm, dont really know what to think - Its a fair bit different, look as none of the panels, pressings are even like the VE its based off. Not intercangeable anyway. This is more than just a nose and tail rehash thats for sure. Looks like they have redone the whole car like Ford when they went from BF - FG

Looks very slab sided and boxy like the Chrysler 300C / 300

[Goggles]

Here ya go a new yooooooot where did this come from? if it is a VF Ute, why does it have Thunder badges and VE SSV wheels?

[Rick76]

where did this come from? if it is a VF Ute, why does it have Thunder badges and VE SSV wheels?

Exactly! It looks nothing like any of the other VF pics (Chevy Nascar, Build the new Commodore site pics, etc. Holden don't even call it a Commodore Ute, it is just Holden Ute.

[Jag530G]

Exactly! It looks nothing like any of the other VF pics (Chevy Nascar, Build the new Commodore site pics, etc. Holden don't even call it a Commodore Ute, it is just Holden Ute.

I'm curious too. There is another car in the left hand side of the picture. and above that car a pillar with what looks to be a Buick badge. Hmmmm!!!

[VL Executive]

I thought it looked a bit too different. What is this mystery vehicle then?

[Rick76]

I thought it looked a bit too different. What is this mystery vehicle then?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f67/end-road-holden-commodore-ford-falcon-2016-a-115745/index3.html

Here is an update from 'Build the Commodore'.

1896

[PMD GTO]

I just Google "VF Commodore Spy Pics" and here are a few that came up;)





1894

Wow, I haven't seen that last picture before anywhere, Cadillac ATS..cough cough.....

http://image.motortrend.com/f/39722655+w786+ar1/2012-cadillac-ATS-interior.jpg

[bouka]

I don't know what that ute is but it is not nearly the same as the car that is being revealed.

Looks bloody great though.

Those rims and thunder badge looked photoshopped.

[bouka]

That ute is a photoshop alright, based of the Chevy impala.

[VYSHSV8]

where did this come from? if it is a VF Ute, why does it have Thunder badges and VE SSV wheels?

Was waiting for someone to pick that up :) haha

[Brett240]

its missing the new captiva side vent as well. definitely a clever photoshop. looks good though! bit short in the bonnet

[PMD GTO]

Comparison with another VE ute pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/87vlexec/VEUte-1_zps4d8189bc.jpg

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1884&d=1360344064

Hmmm, dont really know what to think - Its a fair bit different, look as none of the panels, pressings are even like the VE its based off. Not intercangeable anyway. This is more than just a nose and tail rehash thats for sure. Looks like they have redone the whole car like Ford when they went from BF - FG

Looks very slab sided and boxy like the Chrysler 300C / 300

This is a photochop of a U.S. Impala. Nothing more.

[Evman]

Looks like Motor might have nailed it

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404942_458863400836196_1671237366_n.jpg
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1896&d=1360381524

[Goggles]

Looks like Motor might have nailed it it does, but they got a bit of the scaling wrong. e.g. the grille on the real VF looks bigger.

[VL Executive]

^ Yep, looks like it

Anyone seen this version - it'd be close ish to the real thing

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-gLlIERKjjX4/UQ_0RXCqvFI/AAAAAAALinM/57IIfuCSl6Q/s1600/2014-Chevrolet-SS-ZL1%25255B13%25255D%25255B4%25255D.jpg

[axemurderer101]

Looks like Motor might have nailed it

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404942_458863400836196_1671237366_n.jpg
http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1896&d=1360381524

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/30/a2ybavyn.jpg
pretty much just a photoshopped nascar though lol

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

i do like the way they have shaped the rear quarter glass look like the old elcamino

[Evman]

Headlights look like that of a Subaru Forester

[Evman]

pretty much just a photoshopped nascar though lol

That may be the case but it looks like it's all they needed to do. Why start from scratch when there's an almost perfect copy to go off? :)

[bouka]

^ Yep, looks like it

Anyone seen this version - it'd be close ish to the real thing

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-gLlIERKjjX4/UQ_0RXCqvFI/AAAAAAALinM/57IIfuCSl6Q/s1600/2014-Chevrolet-SS-ZL1%25255B13%25255D%25255B4%25255D.jpg

I really like this.

The motor one looks wrong for some reason.

Not long now. Really keen to see interior.

[SUPERH2377]

front not as bad as I thought lets hope the inside looks like the caddy not atat vile browny yellow that is a huge step backwards

[Jass]

Anyone going to the big day tomorrow?

[Alex(AUS)]

I would say that the interior will look alot like this.
http://images.caricos.com/c/chevrolet/2013_chevrolet_impala/images/1920x1080/2013_chevrolet_impala_7_1920x1080.jpg

I like this one.

Alex

[redvxr8clubby]

Sometimes the last of the series is the best of the series, other times it's change for changes sake(for example VY to VZ bonnet) and changing the front and back when the body shell is unchanged just looks like an add on, not in keeping with the original looks, time will tell.

[csv rulz]

^ Yep, looks like it

Anyone seen this version - it'd be close ish to the real thing

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-gLlIERKjjX4/UQ_0RXCqvFI/AAAAAAALinM/57IIfuCSl6Q/s1600/2014-Chevrolet-SS-ZL1%25255B13%25255D%25255B4%25255D.jpg

Wow that looks amazing.

[Marco]

You know, I've been getting excited about new Commodore launches since I was a kid. Went to the first showing of the VK at the local dealer with my Dad, same again with VT. Hung out for news on VP, VR, VY etc and especially VE. Tonight I've got that same feeling I got with every other launch when you're just about to see the finished product and you can't wait to see what Holden have done. But tonight it's touched with a tinge of sadness that this might be the last time I get to do this if they turn the next Commodore into a car I'm no longer interested in buying.

[dgp]

Guys
I love my Holden Commodores just as much as the next guy but I think everyone is missing the big picture......just because that's the way it has always been done does not mean that it can't be improved.

[Goggles]

Guys
I love my Holden Commodores just as much as the next guy but I think everyone is missing the big picture......just because that's the way it has always been done does not mean that it can't be improved.of course the Commodore can be improved - the jump from the VZ to the VE was massive - I have practical experience of this. But the question is how to improve it? more technology, small size vs large size, fwd vs rwd, small engines vs large engines

[1BEAST2NV]

what one person may like , another may dislike, getting it right for the customers is a hard job as everyone is different,

but think we all know it needs a interior face lift, and some DAMN CUP holders in front like the vy statesman (either side of the head unit) so u can actually change gears with out smacking ya drink, and make the hole big enough for a large cup lol

new VF, drop engine size and add a blower from factory, then extras on the up spec model.

but we all no thats to hard for them.

[steve_t]

Another hour and 20 mins... can't wait! But can't just sit around waiting. Will go for a motorbike ride. Back soon :smilesandbanana:

[Evman]

May have already been posted but here's a link to the live stream of the launch

LINK (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/02/watch-holden-announce-the-new-commodore/)

20 mins to go

[SUPERH2377]

looks like the old opel omega from europe nice chrome grill not overdone

[RARASV8]

did anybody else just see the new commodore on the above link?
they were talking about what they are going to do and the live stream was on the car! silvery blue with what i like a lot of chrome around the front of the car. i like it!

Garry

ps 10:13 was the time ;)

[SUPERH2377]

surre did just said

[kompiler]

Thoughts?

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/kompiler/holden_zps1b37cb0d.png

[SUPERH2377]

1.29 min into live feed u see the car

[Goggles]

1.29 min into live feed u see the car
and see Mike in casual gear talking about the timing of the loud music and how he will applaud and how the audience should be encouraged to applaud as well!!!

[Goggles]

Thoughts?

I want to see more angles and see it in person

[kompiler]

I want to see more angles and see it in person

Looks very BMWish with the bonnet lines etc

[macca_779]

Thoughts?

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/kompiler/holden_zps1b37cb0d.png

Got grill.

[Jag530G]

Thoughts?

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/kompiler/holden_zps1b37cb0d.png

Cruze style bonnet, Opel Insignia style grille and made the side vents link into the lower character line somwhat like the Opel Insignia's character line. Dunno if this is the Calais, but the chrome certainly gives it a lift, looks a lot more expensive then the VE.

Cheers, Matthew

[vicarious]

Thoughts?

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/kompiler/holden_zps1b37cb0d.png

i quite like it- bit bmw x 300c

[KAL SPL]

Those wheels are huge !

[SUPERH2377]

front and side nice now for inside and back

[Evman]

I keep seeing a cross between a 300C and a Chrysler Crossfire

[C4B]

Looks miles better than VE so far.

[Evman]

Holy shit I'm impressed at the tech they've put in! Like, really impressed!

[G4RS_GM]

front and side nice now for inside and back

Having seen these on a daily basis, i can tell you now...the interior is a MASSIVE upgrade. It looks like your in a top end Audi. makes the VE interior look like VT..maybe VY:)
wait and see people, it'll blow you away, its top notch i think

[VL Executive]

Look now - They are showing the Calais V

[Evman]

Boot lid is very BMW

[KAL SPL]

Aluminium panels , great lol

[gmeup]

awesome looking car inside and out, cant wait to see the SS

[steve_t]

Aluminium bonnet. Perforated leather interior. Much more subtle DRLs. I like it!

Oh, but they didn't move the cup holders for 1BEAST2NV

[Davothegreat]

If the interior is supposed to be the big selling point then why didn't they show it? All they really showed were the new tail lights and something about a chrome crease that supposedly makes the car look longer. Didn't excite me at all.

[Evman]

Collision avoidance
Lane change warning
Blind spot warning
Auto park
Oncoming vehicle warning when you're reversing out of the carpark (whatever that's called) :lol:
Keyless entry and start

Did I miss any of the new tech features?

[BigAnt]

I think it looks really good. Will be interesting to see what the SS looks like next weekend. I think it looks a bit like a jag front, bmw rear. Tech list is great too.

[QIKMIK]

I reckon it looks pretty good. Lots of cool tech with HUD, bunch of collision/parking/lane warning systems, aluminium panels and MyLink (which I think the Yanks have had for a while in a different form). Agree with the Jag comment there, BigAnt.

Not sure what the demographic of the audience was but....one guy clapping?

Mick

[MPHSV]

I think it looks great! Good Job!

Would like to see the trim up close, really interested to see the leap in quality over the VE interior.

[HSV Manta]

I think it looks really good. Will be interesting to see what the SS looks like next weekend. I think it looks a bit like a jag front, bmw rear. Tech list is great too.

This...will reverse judgement until I see the SS. Can't wait.

Officially launched in the US next week.

It appears they are very serious about marketing this as a global car.

Very interested to see how the yanks receive it.

[Plenty]

I think it looks a bit like a jag front.

Bang on there mate, it's nearly perfect copy of the new XF Jag bonnet and front!

[calais190]

http://news.drive.com.au/photogallery/drive/new-holden-commodore-vf-20130210-2e64k.html - Official Images

[SCiFiRE]

Collision avoidance
Lane change warning
Blind spot warning
Auto park
Oncoming vehicle warning when you're reversing out of the carpark (whatever that's called) :lol:
Keyless entry and start

Did I miss any of the new tech features?

Missed my favorite one, Heads-up display on windscreen!!!

[Plenty]

I really like the look of this car, it is sleek but also beefy to still give it a staunch stance, proportions look near on perfect just as the VE was.

The improvement in features should also reign back in some of those buyers that left looking for value elsewhere.

If this is the "start" of our new style Commodores well i'm excited about the future of our brand!

[A^K^T]

Collision avoidance
Lane change warning
Blind spot warning
Auto park
Oncoming vehicle warning when you're reversing out of the carpark (whatever that's called) :lol:
Keyless entry and start

Did I miss any of the new tech features?

No adaptive cruse control ?

I could be interested in trading the Focus on one depending on the cost , is there a link to technical specs somewhere so i don't have to listen to all the marketing bs ?

[awesome _vzss]

I really like it , can't wait to see the other models.

[W427GOT1]

looking a bit like the falcon with more sparkles.....

like most i say wow.....much cleaner look than the current VE II.........glad they have put a lot of effort into the interoir
most of owners spend a lot of time in thier cars than looking at them......

i hope its a winner on ALL stages for holden or it could be one of the last.....

[csv rulz]

Okay I want one. They look insanely good, its almost got a modernised VT/VX look about it

[Plenty]

I've just spotted my first hate, it's that damn whip aerial on the roof again! If Ford can do away with it and most others can find a more sleek version then why the f#ck can't we?

[VL Executive]

I like it better than the VE. This is the Commodore Holden should've had out 3 years ago.

Cant wait to see the rest of the range. Especially the SS