VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics- Part 2

[falcom]

According to the news story in carsguide regarding the NRL Sponsorship deal with Holden the VF Commodore will be revealed next week.

See story here : http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-reviews/car-news/holden_sponsors_nrl_kangaroos_and_state_of_origin


Let's hope the long wait for VF has been worth it and that Holden doesn't price it out of the market.

This is a continuation thread, the old thread is 162615 by falcom Titled VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics from post #216 onwards

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This is a continuation thread, the old thread is 162615

[Marco]

Noticed the glovebox appears not to have a lock anymore. Not that I've ever locked mine...

[Ausmartin1]

Noticed the glovebox appears not to have a lock anymore. Not that I've ever locked mine...

Same here, say anyone know if they will be at the Melbourne Motor show next month ?

[sjhugh]

I like that the rear end has a complete new look compared to the VE but the solid red in the taillight lenses looks cheap.

Holden needs to look at something a bit more upmarket to finish the rear off.

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[Rick76]

Same here, say anyone know if they will be at the Melbourne Motor show next month ?

There is a good chance they will as they were referring to the Calais as a 'Show Car'.

Some minor details and things like ride height and wheel size/offset may be different on the production models. It would be nice if the wheel offset is the same as the show car but the ride height never is. I've never liked how far inside the guards the factory VE wheels sit.

[Marco]

Motor show doesn't start until June guys.

[jboy21]

not sure on the piano black rear diffuser, looks like it would look a bit shite after a few weeks of sun and dirt.

[Troutman]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/214060/holden-vf-commodore-chevrolet-ss-didnt-influence-design/

[Goggles]

Noticed the glovebox appears not to have a lock anymore. Not that I've ever locked mine... might automatically lock when the car locks, like the fuel filler cap does when you lock the VE.

[calais190]

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Is it just me or does the SS in those publicity shots have the exact same shape grill as the above? Also the VF headlights are just a smoothed out version of these lights...

[calais190]

SSV is out:

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[calais190]

Rear:

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[calais190]

Interior:

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[korrupt]

not sure on the piano black rear diffuser, looks like it would look a bit shite after a few weeks of sun and dirt.

I was just thinking the same thing. Wonder how hard it will be to keep clean.

I really want to touch that SSV dash though. Looks like suede where the badge is !

[macca_779]

Interior:

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So what can guys see missing that's on the calais.

All I can see is no seat heaters, electric seats.

Also no paddle shifters which I was half expecting as apparently the column is equipped for it. Perhaps HSV will do it.

[EddieVE06]

Looks like there are a 2 buttons missing on the left side of the steering wheel which I think was the collision alert etc on the Calais interior.
I would have preferred the dark rear lenses similar to what the VE SSV has. I always loved those rear lights. Agree the rear lights looks a little plain for the SSV.

Interior:

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[vyls1wa]

So what can guys see missing that's on the calais.

All I can see is no seat heaters, electric seats.

Also no paddle shifters which I was half expecting as apparently the column is equipped for it. Perhaps HSV will do it.


Cause it's a manual perhaps?

[brasher]

SSV looks great, no way will it come out with the same offset wheels as those renders.

Seems like the same L77 6.0L, no bad thing at all.

[Smitty]

So what can guys see missing that's on the calais.

All I can see is no seat heaters, electric seats.

Also no paddle shifters which I was half expecting as apparently the column is equipped for it. Perhaps HSV will do it.


one glaring ommission in my opinion

NO height adjustable belts :(

and one silly move - windows switches only on the drivers door (the centre console is much better if you have kids..those with them will know why)

[shaneooo]

Looks fantastic, well done Holden and good to finally see some positive comments over on Cad advice which is usually anti Holden and Ford...

The interior looks much better compared to the VE, might have to sell the VE SSV now and get a newbi....

Anyone wanna do a photoshop of what the ute may end up looking like...have to say anew SSV ute when it gets released will be one comfortable ride!!!

[Brett240]

im a little disappointed in the front bar, I was hoping it would be more aggressive. they softened the front with ve 2 and this is softer again. I really like the rear end but im getting a wagon so that doesn't help! interior is shit hot however!

heres hoping the HSV's look tougher than this

[VL Executive]

When does the ute and wagon get unveiled?

[macca_779]

Cause it's a manual perhaps?

Doh :face palm:

[Jonesy40]

looks great cant wait to see the ute and wagon varieties when ever they may be released. wish they would release pricing aswell

[Jonesy40]

any one else read this on carsales article

"While Holden has revealed no technical details, the SS V is expected to continue with its predecessor VE’s L76 and L98 variants of the 6.0-litre Gen IV V8, while the SS is expected to be powered by the Gen V LS3 6.2-litre V8"

LS3 powered SS yes please

[bouka]

That's the chev ss. Us only car.

There is no gen v ls3!

[Jonesy40]

That's the chev ss. Us only car.

There is no gen v ls3!

thanks for clearing that up i thought it was a bit strange that they would have 2 engine options

[lowfly]

Love the interior, if only they had kept the dark hood lining.

[Goggles]

any one else read this on carsales article

"While Holden has revealed no technical details, the SS V is expected to continue with its predecessor VE’s L76 and L98 variants of the 6.0-litre Gen IV V8, while the SS is expected to be powered by the Gen V LS3 6.2-litre V8"

similar statements have been made on drive.com.au

since none of these sites has been accurate in the past about VF, I won't believe anything they say about the powertrains for the VF, including no increase in output.

[Waughy]

and one silly move - windows switches only on the drivers door (the centre console is much better if you have kids..those with them will know why)

If you look at post #275 in part 1 of this thread you can see the switches for each passenger door.

[CLUBRED]

If you look at post #275 in part 1 of this thread you can see the switches for each passenger door.

Smitty is probably refering to the location of the rear window lock out button.

[steve_t]

No steering wheel cruise control switchgear in the SSV??

[Waughy]

Smitty is probably refering to the location of the rear window lock out button.

Possibly. If so I personally think they're in a better spot now. After owning a captiva it's much better and only the driver has access to stop the back windows when the kids start playing with them. Just my thoughts anyway, not saying anyone who disagrees is wrong.

[korrupt]

When does the ute and wagon get unveiled?

Next week sometime.

[Xjas]

and one silly move - windows switches only on the drivers door (the centre console is much better if you have kids..those with them will know why)

I agree, they would be a bit of a PITA on the door like that.

[jaykay]

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/large-passenger/holden/commodore/holden-vf-commodore-ss-v-unveiled-35074

http://video.carsguide.com.au/2335062396/Holden-Commdore-SS-V

[C4B]

Still looks a bit out of proportion from the back.

[PMD GTO]

I agree, they would be a bit of a PITA on the door like that.



I still don't see why having control over the windows and the window lockout by the driver, on the drivers door is a big deal? Makes sense to me. If you put it in the middle then the passenger can reach it.

Also I heard someone complain that they moved the lock/unlock switch to the drivers door....well there is one on the passengers door as well.

[VL Executive]

I think its because that ever since Commodore was released in 1978, the window controls have always been in the centre console. And it'll take a bit of getting used to.

I am one of those who reckon they should have stayed in the centre console. Mainly because they were more protected there from water and weather If it rained and the window was left open the new switches will get wet. Whereas in the centre they were protected from that. Plus the passenger had control of all windows as well - whereas now its only the driver.

[NickS]

All the switches in my car are on the drivers door ... if my wife's car (E3 GTS) they are in the centre ... trust me, it makes f*#k all difference where they are!

[Xjas]

I still don't see why having control over the windows and the window lockout by the driver, on the drivers door is a big deal? Makes sense to me. If you put it in the middle then the passenger can reach it.

Long trip, two kids in the back, the missus in the front passenger seat takes care of the kids while the driver worries about the driving, missus can control the rear windows from her seat if she needs to, cant do that if they are on the drivers door. Just seems like an avoidable distraction for the driver to me.

[jaykay]

Doesn't bother me..I lock the windows and the a/c is on....easy fix !!!

[kevin101]

To be completely honest I'm loving the new design and tech that has been thrown into this car, looking at the pics everyday and now seeing the SS looking so sweet has made up my mind I'm definitely getting one!

Some people may disagree with various things about it but I like it, except the remote control car aerial (bee sting will replace it quite fast).

[NickS]

Long trip, two kids in the back, the missus in the front passenger seat takes care of the kids while the driver worries about the driving, missus can control the rear windows from her seat if she needs to, cant do that if they are on the drivers door. Just seems like an avoidable distraction for the driver to me.

Who is going to do long trips in a VF with kids in the back and the windows down ? Surely you would have the air-con on and the windows up.

Plus, even if you do drive with the windows down for some reason, surely you can manage the windows without putting the car in a ditch. What do you do when your wife isn't in the car? Don't use the windows?

[ACE_55V]

Long trip, two kids in the back, the missus in the front passenger seat takes care of the kids while the driver worries about the driving, missus can control the rear windows from her seat if she needs to, cant do that if they are on the drivers door. Just seems like an avoidable distraction for the driver to me.

This is a situation I am in plenty of times, and our merc 4wd has them on the drivers door which is annoying with kids......but when in the commodore, I like my window open while driving, the wife wants it closed, so we are constantly putting it up and down.. which is even more annoying

[Xjas]

Who is going to do long trips in a VF with kids in the back and the windows down ? Surely you would have the air-con on and the windows up.

Plus, even if you do drive with the windows down for some reason, surely you can manage the windows without putting the car in a ditch. What do you do when your wife isn't in the car? Don't use the windows?

Just an example of why I think its inconvenient and I cant see any advantage to having them on the door.
Can you give me a reason why they are better on the door?

[macca_779]

Just an example of why I think its inconvenient and I cant see any advantage to having them on the door.
Can you give me a reason why they are better on the door?

Kids who ride up front can't fvck with them.

[Plenty]

No steering wheel cruise control switchgear in the SSV??

Yes it does, the switches it is missing is Lane departure warning and forward collision alert on the left hand spear of the steering wheel.

[NickS]

Kids who ride up front can't fvck with them.

That right there ... plus the wife can't fvck with them!

:lol:

[sjhugh]

I am one of those who reckon they should have stayed in the centre console. Mainly because they were more protected there from water and weather If it rained and the window was left open the new switches will get wet. Whereas in the centre they were protected from that.

Unless you spill your drink while using the cup holders.




I cant see any advantage to having them on the door.
Can you give me a reason why they are better on the door?

They are safer as they are more in your range of sight as is the reason for moving the screen up higher.


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[Xjas]

Kids who ride up front can't fvck with them.

No, they can f##k with the stupid electic handbrake switch instead :p

[C4B]

No, they can f##k with the stupid electic handbrake switch instead :p

Sorry but it's 2013. Time marches on!

[kevin101]

Just an example of why I think its inconvenient and I cant see any advantage to having them on the door.
Can you give me a reason why they are better on the door?

Having the controls on the door gives the driver more control overall whilst driving, the driver should not be distracted while driving. It can be distracting if someone puts the windows down when you don't want them to, with the VE they could also mess with your side mirrors, not to mention the buttons are less likely to get drinks spilt on them.

And honestly it makes the centre console look much neater, getting into the wife's car with the switches on the door is different I admit but it's nothing that's annoying you just use them...

[VX2VESS]

Its VF isn't even on sale yet but Holden is already working on its 2017 replacement. Clay models exist, with Holden promising it will remain Aussie designed and built. Full details: http://bit.ly/Wheels67 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2FWheels67&h=DAQH3D3FRAQE_ipKv2EMgWnLBQTztTRQ48pmq24YWpeev2g&s=1)


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thougt the commodore was ending then ? spose it can be just something totally new not called commodore. that looks rather big

[sjhugh]

The photos of the SS show what appears to be HSV GTS rims, has anyone heard if they will come in staggered sizes.


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[VHSLE]

thougt the commodore was ending then ? spose it can be just something totally new not called commodore. that looks rather big

In that article he says the clays are scaled, looking at the shape under that black cloth I believe that is the SSV concept car under that cover

[Goggles]

looks like both versions of the VF will be at the V8supercars test day tomorrow - will have to have a gander

[whiteknight2211]

I was just thinking the same thing. Wonder how hard it will be to keep clean.

I really want to touch that SSV dash though. Looks like suede where the badge is !

Is anyone looking forward to getting hold of a VF as much as I am? It really looks like Holden has added sophistication and refinement to the interior for a change. I'll have to go and sit in it to feel what the differences are. The seats seem to be very similar to the current VE, I would hope they've done some work on it if that's the case.

I would like to have an option pack to ditch internal SSV labelling though - it's something I have never appreciated, perhaps I need a Calais instead?

[whiteknight2211]

Does anyone else hope there'll be more than four functions in the trip computer this time?

[Ausmartin1]

one glaring ommission in my opinion

NO height adjustable belts :(

and one silly move - windows switches only on the drivers door (the centre console is much better if you have kids..those with them will know why)

Interesting about the height adjustment of belts - It was all common at one point and now one size fit's all would like to know why?

Switches were ever they are located power down at some point (I guess to stop kids playing with them - trying to burn the motors out) but it sort seem silly you can initial operate the windows and then not at all.
In the Volt once you open the door no more power windows - unless you start it up. (Same as Ignition on)
Wonder if the VF will have the same logic - or you can remote unlock to restart the timer cut out for the Windows?

[mac06]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but it looks as if active select is gone in the auto. No real loss, most people would hardly ever use it.

[steve_t]

Does anyone else hope there'll be more than four functions in the trip computer this time?

Ooh. I hope tyre pressure monitoring is standard

[Angeldust]

i like the look of it too. curves have returned to the styling which imo is a good thing.

[SCiFiRE]

In that article he says the clays are scaled, looking at the shape under that black cloth I believe that is the SSV concept car under that cover

I'm positive it is. That image is at Holdens plant in Adelaide, Earlier today I saw photos of Mike Devereux unveiling the VF SS-V there... Same building and screen in the background. (Can't seem to find where i saw the image now though)



Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but it looks as if active select is gone in the auto. No real loss, most people would hardly ever use it.

Someone mentioned earlier it may have gone back to paddleshift on the steering wheel.

[Plenty]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but it looks as if active select is gone in the auto. No real loss, most people would hardly ever use it.

huh? It's not gone at all, chances are it will be paddle shift. Still it will retain the active select that i think everyone uses, well i know i do!

[SCiFiRE]

[QUOTE=SCiFiRE;2064671]I'm positive it is. That image is at Holdens plant in Adelaide, Earlier today I saw photos of Mike Devereux unveiling the VF SS-V there... Same building and screen in the background. (Can't seem to find where i saw the image now though)

Found it.

http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/img/wheels/ss_launch/ss_4.jpg

[XLR8 V8]

Subtle bonnet bulge is an interesting addition. They say it's for looks but I wonder if it's possibly to accommodate a factory blower option?

Specs released by Holden for the SS-V

SS V-Series show car exterior feature highlights:

Custom Kandy ‘Fantale’ metallic paint finish
Twin five-spoke 20-inch wheels, hand-machined in billet aluminium, custom finished in gloss black
Front Brembo brake calipers finished in gloss silver
Wide, dominant front fascia features traditional sports grille and a prominent lower air intake, both laced in custom gunmetal chrome
Sculpted, jewelled halogen projector headlamps with black bezels curve into prominent front fenders, flared, aero-modified wheel arches
Muscular lower fascia incorporates LED daylight running lamps and black bezel fog lamps, custom gunmetal chrome accents, outboard extensions integrated into sharp sports rockers
Prominent VF aluminium hood with centre crease emphasises performance potential; two raking spears sweep from the A-pillars
Low, wide VF rear sports fascia – streamlined graphics with integrated tail lamps, aluminium decklid, body-colour bib spoiler, custom gloss black finish sports valance incorporating licence plate and quad V8 exhausts
In profile, vertical fender vents and window surrounds are finished in custom gunmetal chrome

SS V-Series show car interior feature highlights:

All-new instrument panel with integrated centre stack combines high-resolution Holden MyLink infotainment system with 8-inch touch screen, climate and other controls
Ergonomically advanced design relocates controls to more convenient positions, introduces console-mounted electric park brake control
Cowled, angled instrument dials flank a LCD Driver Information Display screen with colour graphics
All-new seat structures combine sports back and high-bolstered side support
High-quality, layered finishes in smooth soft-feel leather and suede with perforated leather inserts are accented by contrast twin-needle and deck stitching
Sports profile leather wrap steering wheel design is motorsport-inspired
Ice blue ambient lighting illuminates lower centre console and door pull recesses
Extra large dual cupholders can accommodate a wide range of container sizes

Walkaround footage of the SSV in detail can be found here:
https://www.yousendit.com/directDownload?phi_action=app/directDownload&fl=SWhZekZnUzhQb0pEZUZTcGxJTnhkak9yZzRXUkdhR29QUW1 2TzZhMEpYSG95VzRGYkxwNkZHRmdYWitFSlVyR0ZacXVkanpCQ ndJaksrdkZuaG00WGE0TmdyYzZKVllaMFlDWmNBPT0&experience=bas
The aspect ratio is way off but it gives a good all around look.

[Jac001]

Subtle bonnet bulge is an interesting addition. They say it's for looks but I wonder if it's possibly to accommodate a factory blower option?
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More likely NCAP pedistrain crash test rating http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-Page/ed4ad09d-1d63-4b20-a2e3-39192518cf50/pedestrian-protection.aspx

[XLR8 V8]

Here's the walkaround footage for the Calais V:
https://www.yousendit.com/directDownload?phi_action=app/directDownload&fl=SWhZekZnUzhQb0pEZUZTcE1JM3VnVE9yZzRXUkdhR29QUW1 2TzZhMEpYSG95VzRGYkxwNkZHRmdYWitFSlVyR0ZacXVkanpCQ ndJaksrdkZuaG00WGE0TmdyYzZKVllaMFlDWmNBPT0&experience=bas
Aspect ration is rubbish again. If you play it in VLC player and change the aspect ratio to 16:9 it looks a lot better.

[VHSLE]

Someone mentioned earlier it may have gone back to paddleshift on the steering wheel.

A close up shot of the Calais V seems to show the active shift still on the shifter as it is currently is.

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[XLR8 V8]

New advert is up on Youtube too.

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[SSUte01]

Whichever way you look at it, it's a bloody good looking bit of kit and imo represents outstanding value; it'll be a bloody shame if these cars die a slow death. I am mostly not a Ford fan, but spending some time in a 2010 FG G6ET recently, I was uber impressed with the car, build quality, power, economy, looks, size etc. And for 30K for a second hand unit with low kays it was a steal compared to anything international that even comes close, this included some Audi (R)S models I've been lucky enough to be treated too. I can't wait to see a VF in the flesh. What's the word on the engine line up L77 or L99?? and for the sixes, are we finally going to see the 'Torana' donk ie V6TT. Well done Holden.

[Jag530G]

I wonder how long before someone strips the paint and polishes the aluminium bonnet of an SS (or maybe HSV could offer it as an option...) in the style of the Bentley Continental Project P116?

http://www.bentleyspotting.com/2007/11/bentley-project-116-bentley-and.html

Cheers, Matthew

[falcom]

It looks like Holden now have the product they needed with the VF.

If they price it right and reliability has improved they will be on a winner.

I think it should have 5 year warranty as this would give the perception that quality/reliability has lifted and Holden is putting its money where it's mouth is.

[Jag530G]

Whichever way you look at it, it's a bloody good looking bit of kit and imo represents outstanding value; it'll be a bloody shame if these cars die a slow death. I am mostly not a Ford fan, but spending some time in a 2010 FG G6ET recently, I was uber impressed with the car, build quality, power, economy, looks, size etc. And for 30K for a second hand unit with low kays it was a steal compared to anything international that even comes close, this included some Audi (R)S models I've been lucky enough to be treated too. I can't wait to see a VF in the flesh. What's the word on the engine line up L77 or L99?? and for the sixes, are we finally going to see the 'Torana' donk ie V6TT. Well done Holden.

The TTV6 is coming in next year's Cadillac CTS, so maybe (but I doubt it) in late 2014/2015.

Cheers, Matthew

[Plenty]

A close up shot of the Calais V seems to show the active shift still on the shifter as it is currently is.

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Yeah on the SS-V though there is a good chance of it being paddle shift!

[Marco]

Not this TTV6 stuff again. Who is going to want it when the V8 exists? People who want a car smack in between the SV6 and SS for price and performance, and want to listen to a V6 moo rather than V8 rumble?

This isn't Ford, we have a good V8 so there's no need to waste effort on sixes.

[Jag530G]

Not this TTV6 stuff again. Who is going to want it when the V8 exists? People who want a car smack in between the SV6 and SS for price and performance, and want to listen to a V6 moo rather than V8 rumble?

This isn't Ford, we have a good V8 so there's no need to waste effort on sixes.

Yep, not much point in the case of Holden.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Not this TTV6 stuff again. Who is going to want it when the V8 exists? People who want a car smack in between the SV6 and SS for price and performance, and want to listen to a V6 moo rather than V8 rumble?

This isn't Ford, we have a good V8 so there's no need to waste effort on sixes.

I can see your point, but now that ford have a cracking V8 and a great 6T option it opens up more variety for the customer. I'd like to see a TTV6 in the holden line up. If these are supposedly the last of the big cars, i'd love to see both holden and ford go nuts with some hypo 6 turbos and charged 8s. Can only be a good thing for us! I'd be more than happy to own a ford / holden V8 and have the option of a 6T from holden and ford for the wife. It means i won't have to drive a boring car ever again! Best of both worlds if you ask me

[Jag530G]

I can see your point, but now that ford have a cracking V8 and a great 6T option it opens up more variety for the customer. I'd like to see a TTV6 in the holden line up. If these are supposedly the last of the big cars, i'd love to see both holden and ford go nuts with some hypo 6 turbos and charged 8s. Can only be a good thing for us! I'd be more than happy to own a ford / holden V8 and have the option of a 6T from holden and ford for the wife. It means i won't have to drive a boring car ever again! Best of both worlds if you ask me

The problem is that the TTV6 will put out similar, probably a bit more power than the current 6.0L V8, so it will simply cannabalise sales of the V8 and I contend the V8 is a cheaper and therefore more profitable engine than the TTV6 will be. Look at Ford, they don't offer an atmo V8 which in the Mustang puts out around 285Kw, pretty much the same as the I6T, so Ford haven't bothered. Yes they offer a supercharged V8 as it is another step up. But holden do the steps by offering a 6.0L V8 and then HSV offer a 6.2L V8, no room for the TTV6.

You could argue that HSV could offer the TTV6 putting out say under 300Kw, then the LT1 at 335KW and then something above, that would make a nice range but is there any hope that HSV would sell enough TTV6s to justify the engineering cost? I don't think so.

I think the TTV6 would be a belter of an engine, especially for the aftermarket modders, but I don't see it happening in the Commodore. Hopefully Cadillac will be here soon and we can buy a TTV6 ATS-V.

Cheers, Matthew

[Jac001]

Pick 1: a 3.6L TTv6 or a 6.0LV8.

There is no point offering both.

If holden were to go down the turbo v6 route i suspect it would abe a small capacity version like a 2.8LV6T to replace the 3.6L v6NA.

[C4B]

You could argue that HSV could offer the TTV6 putting out say under 300Kw,


They could call it the HSV XU6, and the half dozen suckers who buy it could tell everyone they have the most limited edition HSV of all time. :cool:

If there were no V8 options I'm sure HSV would jump back into a V6, but while they have nice strong V8's to play with I reckon the 6 cylinder option will stay on the scrap heap with all the XU6's.

[duke5700]

TTV6 is easy, economy of a 6, performance of an 8.

2 seconds into the aftermarket world, put more boost into them and suddenly they become a cult car like the VL Turbo and the I6T from the Ford camp.

[C4B]

TTV6 is easy, economy of a 6, performance of an 8.

This is very true, but for your average HSV buyer, fuel economy isn't a selling point, so in their head it reads:

Credibility of a 6, sound of a 6, re-sale of a 6, price of an 8.

When you look at cult 6's, have a look at the V8 alternative available in that car at that time.

In the VL's you could have the 150kw EFI turbo 6 or a 122kw Carby'd V8. If you wanted to jump ship to Ford, you could have a Crossflow 4.1 Straight 6 only. Not hard to see why the VL 6 became a cult car.

Similar story with the BA, the V8 they had at the time not only didn't put out any power at low revs but it wouldn't rev either.....

[Jag530G]

They could call it the HSV XU6, and the half dozen suckers who buy it could tell everyone they have the most limited edition HSV of all time. :cool:


C'mon, even the XU6 isn't as rare and cool as the Astra SV1800!!!

[JimmyXR6T04]

So, the main vibe i'm getting is that the V8 will be threatened? There's a whole new generation of people growing up these days who don't much care for a V8 (lots have been brain washed green)... All i'm saying is, i'd consider one if they did it. At present if i want a big car with plenty of grunt from a 6, my only real option is ford.

A TTV6 that uses less fuel, weighs less, and has more power (especially if tuned), would be a winner in many peoples eyes. I wouldn't suggest HSV take it on board, i'd leave it for holden. HSV can be reserved for the thumping V8s. A TTV6 model would line up next to an SS for further variety, with similar power outputs.

It may not work, but if holden/ford are really coming to an end with their big cars in 2016, i'd love to see them go out with a bang and create some real sweet cars with great engines.

I'd love a TTV6, if for nothing else than the potential tuning ability. Hence, why i am still thinking of a GS/GT as my next car instead of the technology packed holden. I love the look of the new calais, and love my caprice, but i still can't stop thinking about the huge amounts of cheap power that the ford offers... I'd love the ford V8 in the VF calais!

[Jag530G]

Another issue I wonder about is power outputs. The LFX in the VE2 put out 210Kw but in the Camaro it is 241KW and Cadillac it is around 239Kw. Will Holden bump up the power output initially for the VF or wait until the new V8 comes along in 2014? Right now having a 240KW V6 wouldn't leave much of a gap to the 260KW V8.

Cheers, Matthew

[redvxr8clubby]

I can't see any significant engine changes happening, the VF isn't going to hit the street until at least May, the VF is only going to last until end of 2016, not much more than 3 years production, it isn't that long ago that the V6's were adapted to E85 (not even a year in the case of the 3.6). Also reengineered LPG engine. The VF is to revive interest and sales until scheduled end of this platform in 2016. I can't see they would do the engineering work for something that is going to have a lifespan of 3 years. By all accounts after end of 2016 there will be no rear drive V6 or V8 Commodore, maybe the Commodore name will carry on, but Commodore as we know it won't be in the showrooms in 4 years time. I figure 2015 and 2016 V8's will have a pretty good resale not unlike the tonners about 10 years ago when there is no equivalent being manufactured any more. Personally from what I have seen of the VF so far I wouldn't mind a Calais V, but as new ones are probably about $60K, I am thinking a few years down the track, a good used one would be great value.

[JimmyXR6T04]

If 2016 really is the end of the big rear wheel drive falcons and commodores, i'd certainly consider a brand new version of either a ford/holden or both. Particularly if it's something special. Would be very keen on one of the last 5.0 GTs.

[DMW]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8513/8478104238_c8c14958a9_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75206355@N07/8478104238/)

[C4B]

C'mon, even the XU6 isn't as rare and cool as the Astra SV1800!!!

Or the HSV Jackaroo with the stonking 130kw V6.

[Waughy]

Nice colours, I really like the dark green, dark grey and blue. The black looks nice but I've had black before and don't think I'd go another.

[sjhugh]

I’ve never been into the black rim look, in my opinion there are very few colours that they suit at all.

Seeing all these colours only reinforces that for me. They’ll look even worst if the rims on the production cars have offsets where the wheel tucks in too far inside the guard like the VE. I think the Calais looks better.

I’d take the black on black and maybe the red with black but I’d also need to black out the mirrors, taillight lenses and boot lip spoiler to make it work for me.

With the rest of the colours I’d have to go for some polished lipped aftermarket rims.

.

[Drewie]

Not sure if it has already been posted else where, but an interesting read, I agree with the above post, not a fan of the black rims.

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/americans-to-pay-10000-less-for-vf-commodore-20130216-2ejoa.html

[VHSLE]

I’ve never been into the black rim look, in my opinion there are very few colours that they suit at all.

Seeing all these colours only reinforces that for me. They’ll look even worst if the rims on the production cars have offsets where the wheel tucks in too far inside the guard like the VE. I think the Calais looks better.

I’d take the black on black and maybe the red with black but I’d also need to black out the mirrors, taillight lenses and boot lip spoiler to make it work for me.

With the rest of the colours I’d have to go for some polished lipped aftermarket rims.

.

I agree, I realise black wheels are popular at the moment but I'm not a fan either, I have read a few articles which have mentioned they were custom for the show car, hopefully something else which has some polished or machine finished surfaces are on the production model.

I also hope that they continue with the charcoal / black pillars and roof lining, if they stick the light grey from the povo model across the whole range I will be very disappointed, the darker colour looks much nicer, minimises the appearance of those large A pillars and is much more serviceable. Having had both for many years (3 Omegas since 2007 and an SV6 for the last 18 months), I much prefer the darker roof lining.

I have read there are two interior options in the SSV, all black like the concept SSV and a second with a grey leather and red stitching on the dash and door panels. Its a shame both options are so plain in the sport model. They say its "grown up" but surely the Calais V and the back interior in the SSV would be more than enough for those who wanted a subtle look. The other SSV interior could have been more like this:

[VHSLE]

Or this

1928

[VHSLE]

Or a bit lighter

1930

[VESportswagon20]

Just read on car advice that the SS and SSV will have the 6.2ltr sharing with the Chevrolet SS.

[Marco]

TTV6 is easy, economy of a 6, performance of an 8.

2 seconds into the aftermarket world, put more boost into them and suddenly they become a cult car like the VL Turbo and the I6T from the Ford camp.

Does the Ford turbo six get better economy than the LS engine? I thought it was about the same.

Must admit the Euros are getting good results from their blown sixes, but personally I'd rather a smaller capacity blown V8 so you can still have a car that sounds like a big mutha should.

[Marco]

The Chev SS pics shown earlier today appear to show a matte black rather than gloss insert in tr front bar - looks much better IMHO. Hope that's what we get here too.

Incidentally, my Mrs is quite taken with the idea of the reverse sensors that can tell when a car is approaching from the side in the VF. Hmm, suspect I might be the owner of a VF soon enough...

[Goggles]

saw the SSV show car in person today at Sydney Motorsport Park. looks better in the flesh, rather than pictures.

[Wonky]

Or this

1928

Baby poo brown. :spew:

[Micks]

Baby poo brown. :spew:

Reckon I can handle shitty seats & trim Gary!

[Plenty]

I can't see they would do the engineering work for something that is going to have a lifespan of 3 years.

Why wouldn't they, they already spent over $500 million on this upgrade anyway!

[Marco]

saw the SSV show car in person today at Sydney Motorsport Park. looks better in the flesh, rather than pictures.

Does it have an SS look about it in person? I keep looking at the pics posted and thinking its not SS enough - has lost the muscularity of the VE.

[Goggles]

Does it have an SS look about it in person? I keep looking at the pics posted and thinking its not SS enough - has lost the muscularity of the VE.depends how you define the SS look. if you mean the quad pipes and large front spoiler, yes it is a SS, but if you mean large rear wing, then no. I think it is an evolutionary change to a more sophisticated SS. on the way home I was behind a BMW M6 and it looked really mean as it was black, and had wide tyres, plus nice styling.

[axemurderer101]

is it just me or does the chevy ss seats look nicer than the vf ssv seats?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/1302_2014_chevrolet_ss_first_look/48351930+w799+h499+cr1+ar0/2014_Chevrolet_SS_front_seats.jpg

http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Holden/Holden-VF_Commodore-SSV-Concept-i03-800.jpg

[Plenty]

is it just me or does the chevy ss seats look nicer than the vf ssv seats?



LOL i just said the exact same thing in the other thread!

[Plenty]

Cheap as plastic paddle shifter in the Chev 'SS'

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac263/plentyssv/c4d7c23f-5129-4baa-ad36-02c599ac2fa7_zpsf13b7c38.jpg

[VHSLE]

is it just me or does the chevy ss seats look nicer than the vf ssv seats?[/img]

It's not just you, they have a more sporty look.

They have tied the suede from the dash and door trim into the seat design, the pattern through the centre of the seat follows the shape of the break in the side bolster and I think makes the seat look wider, they've also incorporated red stitching and the SS logo.

The VF seat also has a rather unusual look near where the seat back joins the squab, like the pattern stops short by about 5cm.

[SCiFiRE]

is it just me or does the chevy ss seats look nicer than the vf ssv seats?

Looking at the Chev SS dash image, they get controls for seat heating AND cooling,...


Also, I'm assuming this is the other SS interior option.
http://i.imgur.com/q78TGk0.jpg

[redvxr8clubby]

I’ve never been into the black rim look, in my opinion there are very few colours that they suit at all.

Seeing all these colours only reinforces that for me. They’ll look even worst if the rims on the production cars have offsets where the wheel tucks in too far inside the guard like the VE. I think the Calais looks better.

I’d take the black on black and maybe the red with black but I’d also need to black out the mirrors, taillight lenses and boot lip spoiler to make it work for me.

With the rest of the colours I’d have to go for some polished lipped aftermarket rims.

.

I agree, don't like black rims either, I often relate black rims to a car missing it's hubcaps, looks crap. Worse again though is the battle ship grey on the SV6 and SS Z series, is there anyone that actually likes these?

[JimmyXR6T04]

Does the Ford turbo six get better economy than the LS engine? I thought it was about the same.

Must admit the Euros are getting good results from their blown sixes, but personally I'd rather a smaller capacity blown V8 so you can still have a car that sounds like a big mutha should.

Back in 2004, my new XR6T would return ~10L/100km around Canberra (when driven sedately). When tuned with bigger injectors it was still much the same, but when i gave it a big kick in the guts the fuel use would rise pretty quickly. There's not a massive difference between my current Caprice with AFM and my old XR6T. A few litres here or there isn't an issue. My turbo territory on the other hand, i was lucky if i got 15L/100.

My wife also likes the look of new Calais and SS. Whilst i'm keen on the FPV for its sheer grunt, she prefers the Holden for all its tech. My solution, she can have an SSV sportwagon, and i'll have a GT or maybe a GS. Best of both worlds... Although, running two V8s might be a killer!

[steve_t]

I agree, don't like black rims either, I often relate black rims to a car missing it's hubcaps, looks crap. Worse again though is the battle ship grey on the SV6 and SS Z series, is there anyone that actually likes these?

I love gunmetal rims. I'm not a fan of silver. I actually like when the Maloo's wheels have a little brake dust but it's just a pity that the fronts end up darker than the rears

[Alex(AUS)]

I notice the US SS has seat ventilation as well as heating. Even the Aussie Calais did not have the ventilation .... Bit of a slap for the locals who pay more for a lower spec engine, interior and less features including the already mentioned lack of paddle shifters. The predicted volumes sold to the US as compared to Aus are lower also. To think much of the work was payed by Aus tax dollars ...

Alex

[Jag530G]

I notice the US SS has seat ventilation as well as heating. Even the Aussie Calais did not have the ventilation .... Bit of a slap for the locals who pay more for a lower spec engine, interior and less features including the already mentioned lack of paddle shifters. The predicted volumes sold to the US as compared to Aus are lower also. To think much of the work was payed by Aus tax dollars ...

Alex

So that's what the extra button is for, thanks...

[kevin101]

Looking at the Chevy pic, wondering if the sunroof is standard?

[jboy21]

Looking at the Chevy pic, wondering if the sunroof is standard?

Nope its optional extra

[bouka]

I notice the US SS has seat ventilation as well as heating. Even the Aussie Calais did not have the ventilation .... Bit of a slap for the locals who pay more for a lower spec engine, interior and less features including the already mentioned lack of paddle shifters. The predicted volumes sold to the US as compared to Aus are lower also. To think much of the work was payed by Aus tax dollars ...

Alex

Could that be a prelude to the HSV seat?

[CalaisVSS]

Am I led to believe that the VF SSV comes standard with front brembro brakes like the current redline VE series and the CalaisV is standard with 20" wheels?

[Plenty]

Could that be a prelude to the HSV seat?

I always liked the way Audi put those "harness" holes in the shoulder areas in their sports seating. Here's hoping something like that or better makes it's way into the HSV or even as an option for the SS range!

[Plenty]

Am I led to believe that the VF SSV comes standard with front brembro brakes like the current redline VE series and the CalaisV is standard with 20" wheels?

No and No!

Redline will get the Brembo package and the 20" wheels are an option AFAIK. I bloody hope they improve the standard spec brakes though, cos they are shite.....

[redvxr8clubby]

Am I led to believe that the VF SSV comes standard with front brembro brakes like the current redline VE series and the CalaisV is standard with 20" wheels?

Coincidentally I was just thinking the same, I was looking at the SSV in the Chevy Daytona thread (or as Wonky put it - The Camry with Chev badges), and looking at the Brembos on that car, and I was thinking that given the SS V Z series is standard with Redline gear that likely the VF SSV will have Redline as standard.

[CalaisVSS]

I agree, to get in a HSV or Redline really shows how inept the standard brake system is.

[Wonky]

Am I led to believe that ......... the CalaisV is standard with 20" wheels?

Can't see them putting 20" rims which would impact ride quality on a car from the luxury car range!! 19" as an option maybe??? :confused:

[CalaisVSS]

19" is currently standard on the CalaisV VE

[Alex(AUS)]

Could that be a prelude to the HSV seat?

They most likely will be identical. I don't like the fake harness holes. Why couldn't they borrow from the corvette design.

http://www.corvetteconti.com/blog/?p=17575

Alex

[Wonky]

19" is currently standard on the CalaisV VE

Oops! :doh: Didn't realise that. Is that only more recently i.e. maybe with series 2? :confused: Still can't see them going 20" standard on anything, with maybe the exception of the SSV.

[CalaisVSS]

The 19" wheels came standard on the series II VE CalaisV. They are the same cast as the SSV 19" without any paintwork.

[zacaxel1975]

So do we get to see the ute and wagon this week? And when for the barge?

[macca_779]

So do we get to see the ute and wagon this week? And when for the barge?

No change to those rear ends I'd say. Hence no pr

[ti0350]

I think the VF engine all depends what engine HSV is going with I don't think HSV would be happy if they had the LS3 still and Holden started selling LS3 Commodores, now if HSV goes blown V8 then that opens the door for Holden to use the LS3. From what I was told a couple of weeks ago HSV is getting blown V8's so maybe Holden will get the LS3 specially if the Chevy SS gets the LS3 since they only expect to sell a few thousand Chevy's I would think it would be easier for Holden to build them if the same engine was offered on the VF and Chevy.

[Space Pope]

HSV need that LS9 motor if they want to have any cred against FPV's blown V8s.

Not so sure the detuned LS3 (L99 with cylinder deactivation rated at 309KW) will make it into the VF SSV. Some murmurings that it could this time round. Maybe that'll be the hook for the 'Redline'? It'd certainly be welcome. I find the current V8 a little lazy.

[brasher]

utes and wagons announced, may as well be a VE from the rear. smh

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55992/2013-holden-vf-commodore-sportwagon-and-ute-revealed

[brasher]

this colour is pretty crazy though

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/551396_10151413370989898_1300397911_n.jpg

[steve_t]

The front looks good. I can't wait to see what HSV do with it. The rear is identical to a VE. The side vents don't do it for me. Are the indicators still in the side vents? I would have thought they'd look to the mirrors but maybe they've got a shite ton of VE mirrors to use up :hide:

[VL Executive]

The wagon looks pretty classy really. The ute looks the goods as well, but not a fan of that orange paint its in.

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/2/0/2013_holden_vf_calais_v_sportswagon_02-0219-460x272.jpg

[calais190]

A modelled rear end on both the ute and the sportwagon would have been nice. If you sit behind one on the freeway you'd never know...

[cashie]

They most likely will be identical. I don't like the fake harness holes. Why couldn't they borrow from the corvette design.

http://www.corvetteconti.com/blog/?p=17575

Alex

Not fake harness holes, they are the seat cooler vents (something else over the LS3 that is appears we don't get over the US model)..

[Evman]

Not entirely sure how they'd be a "fake" harness hole anyway? If a harness can go through them wouldn't that make them actual harness holes?

[kevin101]

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/02/15/1226578/672909-holden-vf-commodore-front.jpg

Just browsing some articles love this pic, looks mean!

[ti0350]

The front looks good. I can't wait to see what HSV do with it. The rear is identical to a VE. The side vents don't do it for me. Are the indicators still in the side vents? I would have thought they'd look to the mirrors but maybe they've got a shite ton of VE mirrors to use up :hide:

I got told it would of cost them half a million to retool the mirrors to put the indicators in them.

[A^K^T]

utes and wagons announced, may as well be a VE from the rear. smh

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55992/2013-holden-vf-commodore-sportwagon-and-ute-revealed

It's been that way since the EH (and i think before that) , the sedan gets a total makeover and the ute only gets a face lift.

[Wonky]

It's been that way since the EH (and i think before that) , the sedan gets a total makeover and the ute only gets a face lift.

True! :yup:

[Troutman]

I got told it would of cost them half a million to retool the mirrors to put the indicators in them.

The Chinese Buick Park Avenue has had those mirrors for years. The system that regular VEs etc use has 2 benefits; firstly it is something unique comparent to the Mercedes rip-off mirror indicators that have taken over the industry. Secondly the mirrors will be cheaper to replace if they get damaged, which is important for utilitarian markets such as law enforcement.

http://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-ash4/401903_251465341626907_656248940_n.jpg

[Plenty]

Not fake harness holes, they are the seat cooler vents (something else over the LS3 that is appears we don't get over the US model)..

Are you sure they are the vents? They look like Audi style harness holes. I thought and am pretty surethe venting would come through the perforations in the seat with some sort of special pad beneath the surface.

[LJCHSV]

Even though i do like the VF very much & that interior is pretty awesome... i do suspect however that when it comes to buying one when released to public, we(the aussie public) will feel a little bit short changed when compared to what our overseas friends will be getting for a lot less... & even the HSV which i feel will look great, will be missing a few things that will kinda leave us saying "ugh, i wish they could've done this or why couldnt we have those like the american car". As much as i'd like to think that i could buy a VF HSV & be completley satisfied & excited about my purchase, im going to save that little bit more & buy that low K C63 as i know that i WILL be completely satisfied when handing over my hard earned & wont be left saying "ugh, i wish it had that' or "now for an exhaust & suspension"..... but thats just me.

[cashie]

Are you sure they are the vents? They look like Audi style harness holes. I thought and am pretty surethe venting would come through the perforations in the seat with some sort of special pad beneath the surface.

As sure as I can be without seeing the car.

[Plenty]

The Chinese Buick Park Avenue has had those mirrors for years. The system that regular VEs etc use has 2 benefits; firstly it is something unique comparent to the Mercedes rip-off mirror indicators that have taken over the industry. Secondly the mirrors will be cheaper to replace if they get damaged, which is important for utilitarian markets such as law enforcement.

http://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-ash4/401903_251465341626907_656248940_n.jpg

This uses the same mirrors as our Caprice but we don't get the indicators built in. It's really good seeing our Aussie built cars on other countries!

[Plenty]

As sure as I can be without seeing the car.

After a quick google of ventilated seats it appears that the system is embedded into the seat foams and passes through the perforated seats. There is one photo with the vents in the "harness" holes but most appear to as i said earlier!

[Evman]

Indicators on the side of the car (ie the guards) also have a much wider field of vision. I've seen several cars that have had such poor front, rear and side light design that from side on but slightly to the rear I couldn't tell if the indicator was on or not

[ti0350]

Are you sure they are the vents? They look like Audi style harness holes. I thought and am pretty surethe venting would come through the perforations in the seat with some sort of special pad beneath the surface.
I just handed back to Opel an Insignia wagon that i had for a week to review it had seat ventilation, it has fans in the seat back and seat base that blows cold air through the perforations damn good on a hot day put the air con on 5 min before you get into the car and the leather is cold instead of burning your ass off.

[whiteknight2211]

This uses the same mirrors as our Caprice but we don't get the indicators built in. It's really good seeing our Aussie built cars on other countries!

I don't know about anyone else but I always thought the Caprice/Statesman indicators in the guard looked pretty good and are quite visable when I see them driving around.

[cashie]

After a quick google of ventilated seats it appears that the system is embedded into the seat foams and passes through the perforated seats. There is one photo with the vents in the "harness" holes but most appear to as i said earlier!

Agree, I searched and found the same... seems coincidental that the Chev SS has seat cooling and ours don't and the Chev has these "holes" in the seats..

[V28VX37]

utes and wagons announced, may as well be a VE from the rear. smh

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55992/2013-holden-vf-commodore-sportwagon-and-ute-revealed

Agree. Sorry Holden but these look like an aftermarket job:

http://media.gm.com/content/media.suffiximg.w_550.maxw_550.maxh_367.jpg/content/dam/Media/images/AU/releaseimages/2013/Feb/Holden%20VF%20CalaisV%20Sportwagon%20simple.jpg/1361255376827.jpg

http://media.gm.com/content/media.suffiximg.w_550.maxw_550.maxh_367.jpg/content/dam/Media/images/AU/releaseimages/2013/Feb/Holden%20VF%20CalaisV%20rear.jpg/1361255375304.jpg

http://media.gm.com/content/media.suffiximg.w_550.maxw_550.maxh_367.jpg/content/dam/Media/images/AU/releaseimages/2013/Feb/Holden%20VF%20SSV%20Ute.jpg/1361255375949.jpg

http://media.gm.com/content/media.suffiximg.w_550.maxw_550.maxh_367.jpg/content/dam/Media/images/AU/releaseimages/2013/Feb/Holden%20VF%20SSV%20ute%20rear%20-%20Simple%20Layers.jpg/1361255375846.jpg

Reminds me of Sileightys, Onevias, R34 fronts on R32s/R33s and other similar conversions - they're cool as projects but not straight off the assembly line IMHO.

[SCiFiRE]

I don't believe I've ever seen the ute/wagon rears get updates unless its an all-new model.
All through VN -> VS... Then VT -> VZ... They were the same.
I'm not sure why anyone would've expected them to change.

[zacaxel1975]

Agree, I searched and found the same... seems coincidental that the Chev SS has seat cooling and ours don't and the Chev has these "holes" in the seats..

I'm betting they are the seats we will see in the HSV.
Heating or cooling comes through the same way in the seats, only the temperature of the air differs.
I don't know why cooling wasn't included on the Calais. Heating might be good for those people down south but cooling would be great during a Qld summer. I hope HSV gets cooling too.

[Jag530G]

I'm betting they are the seats we will see in the HSV.
Heating or cooling comes through the same way in the seats, only the temperature of the air differs.
I don't know why cooling wasn't included on the Calais. Heating might be good for those people down south but cooling would be great during a Qld summer. I hope HSV gets cooling too.

You'd think the Caprice would get them too?

[zacaxel1975]

You'd think the Caprice would get them too?

Yeah, could be one of the extras Caprice gets over Calais, like HID/xenon headlights. Hope HSV gets them too, I think the Chevy has them, but not sure if HSV would spend the extra $$ installing self levelling and washers required for xenon, if the SWB Holdens don't have it.

[Drasius]

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/holden/commodore/chevy-ss-shift-paddles-not-for-commodore-35237

" VF Commodore to miss out on the gearshift paddles seen in Chevrolet’s US export version, but will bring a host of new tech

GM Holden’s upcoming VF Commodore will not be available with the gearshift paddles fitted as standard to its US export twin, the Chevrolet SS.

Instead, the convenient steering wheel-mounted shift buttons are likely to be offered by HSV’s facelifted F-Series line-up, which will continue to be powered by a version of the 6.2-litre LS3 V8 that powers the Chevy SS.

As we reported when the Chevy SS was revealed at Daytona last weekend, V8 versions of the VF Commodore will continue with a version of the current 6.0-litre engine.

GM Holden External Communications Director Craig Cheetham confirmed to motoring.com.au that no versions of Australia’s VF Commodore will be fitted with the shift paddles seen in the Chevy SS.

“The Chevrolet SS has a unique specification tailored specifically for the US market, where demand for the TAPshift steering wheel paddles was identified,” he said.

“But at this stage we have no plans to make paddle shifters available on any VF Commodore from launch.”

However, although our SS will miss out on the North American version’s bigger V8 and paddle shifters, unlike the auto-only Chevy SS the Commodore SS will continue to be available with a six-speed manual transmission.

Upstream Commodore variants are also likely to be available with the rest of the Chevrolet’s extensive equipment list.

Perhaps most significantly, that includes a driver’s knee airbag, which will bring to seven the number of airbags fitted as standard across the VF Commodore range.

Holden has revealed Calais V, V8 Supercar, SS V, Chevrolet SS and Ute and Sportwagon versions of the new VF Commodore.

In the lead up to its official launch in May and retail release in June, the VF Commodore will also be the subject of an extended pre-reveal campaign including separate design, powertrain, chassis, technology and safety briefings.

Holden has already confirmed that some (premium) Commodore variants will be available with a range of new high-tech driver aids, including Forward Collision Alert, Lane Departure Warning, Side Blind Zone Alert, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, a reversing camera, colour head-up display, push-button starting, electric parking brake and, as standard in all VF Commodores, electric power steering and an automated parking function.

All of the above will come standard in the Chevrolet SS, the only option for which will be a sunroof in North America, where pricing is expected to be less than $US45,000 - about $10,000 lower than the equivalently specified Commodore.

A glance through the extensive Chevy SS specifications list reveals a range of other new features that should at least be available in the vital new VF line-up, although many will be off-limits to buyers of entry-level Commodores.

They include high intensity gas-discharge (HID) headlights, LED daytime driving lights and a larger eight-inch colour in-dash touch-screen (as seen in both the Calais V and SS V), plus the MyLink telematics system, rain-sensing wipers and heated and ventilated front seats.

Holden has confirmed the VF Commodore will also come with power window switches and door locks on the driver’s door armrest rather than the centre console, a remote boot release button on the driver’s door pocket instead of the glovebox, steering wheel- (rather than stalk-) mounted cruise controls, all-new front and rear seats in two designs, two smaller steering wheel designs and higher-quality perforated leather trim.

As we’ve reported, Holden will cut the number of dashboard designs in the VF from three to one, with differentiation between variants limited to colour and trim.

Like the Chevy SS, sports Commodore models including the SS will feature red information displays and a suede-like material on the dash, doors and seats, while luxury variants including the Calais will offer a two-tone dash treatment separated by a full-width faux-woodgrain trim strip instead of sports models’ ‘Galvano’ chrome highlights.

Both sports and luxury variants will be available with light and dark trim choices, but no details of the entry-level VF Commodore’s interior treatment have been revealed and there is still no split/foldinging rear seat."

Not that anyone should have expected otherwise, but at least it's now officially confirmed.

[ti0350]

All good for them to offer shift paddles because is was identified as something for the U.S. market what about the 6.2L that Australian market which is a lot bigger would or maybe tire pressure monitors that we've also wanted since the VE became a pontiac.
We are only getting some of tech for the VF because it was demanded for the U.S. market.

[Hos]

I find it a little disappointing that the VF wont be specced up to match the VE export features as a minimum. I still don't see why the smaller volume export sales get all the bells and whistles, where as our dwindling domestic sales get a bit shafted with features, I would have thought Holden would throw everything they can at the VF for our market, to try and lift sales and interest from the general public, not just the Holden enthusiasts. Oh well.

[steve_t]

So it'll have forward collision alert and lane departure warning but no adaptive cruise? But the techs already there! Also, all versions getting automated parking is interesting

[Jag530G]

So it'll have forward collision alert and lane departure warning but no adaptive cruise? But the techs already there! Also, all versions getting automated parking is interesting

From what I've read elsewhere, the Forward Collision system on the Holden is only a half system, it displays a warning but doesn't apply the brakes, its up to the driver to do that. Consequently it's that braking component which is needed for radar/adaptive cruise and Holden doesn't actually have it.

A pity because on the times I've hired a M-B C200 CGI, I've loved the adaptive crusie control which can brake (not just coast) the car and also has a proper speed hold function, perfect for driving around the city with the menace of speed cameras.

Cheers, Matthew

[D_BLOCK]

It seems as though the Australian market is going to pay a higher purchase price , for less features than the USA market get as standard. I understand
the need to make the new line up appealing to more than one country but it seems as though we are getting alienated at every turn. At this rate "brand loyalty" only goes so far.
Just my thoughts anyway.

Jas.

[IJ.]

It seems as though the Australian market is going to pay a higher purchase price , for less features than the USA market get as standard. I understand
the need to make the new line up appealing to more than one country but it seems as though we are getting alienated at every turn. At this rate "brand loyalty" only goes so far.
Just my thoughts anyway.

Jas.

"Decontenting" at it's finest :(

[XUV]

It seems as though the Australian market is going to pay a higher purchase price , for less features than the USA market get as standard. I understand
the need to make the new line up appealing to more than one country but it seems as though we are getting alienated at every turn. At this rate "brand loyalty" only goes so far.
Just my thoughts anyway.

Jas.
and we touch our toes and take it.We should be rewarded for being a fiscally responsible country, yet no, everywhere you turn we get sharfted .

Want Adobe's Creative Suite 6 Master Collection?

Well then, grab a return ticket to L.A. , buy it over there and you'll still have $650.00 to spend before you reach the Australian price, wtf, no make that WTF!!!

http://www.neowin.net/news/its-cheaper-to-fly-to-the-usa-than-buy-adobe-cs6-in-australia

[duke5700]

The aftermarket for these parts and features will be busy busy. Given that the US parts and generally cheap as chips compared to ours, fingers crossed not to hard to import and install.

[Angeldust]

i find this amusing:


Holden has already confirmed that some (premium) Commodore variants will be available with a range of new high-tech driver aids, including Forward Collision Alert, Lane Departure Warning, Side Blind Zone Alert, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, a reversing camera, colour head-up display, push-button starting, electric parking brake and, as standard in all VF Commodores, electric power steering and an automated parking function.


Translation: the car will feature a whole heap of warning flashing red lights and stupid 'beeping' noises which will do nothing but really annoy the crap out of you.

I already love how my VZ and previous VY VX etc made no stupid beeping noises for every reason like keys in the ignition or lights on etc unlike my misses's mazda and my e46 beemer.

[Stampy]

i find this amusing:



Translation: the car will feature a whole heap of warning flashing red lights and stupid 'beeping' noises which will do nothing but really annoy the crap out of you.

I already love how my VZ and previous VY VX etc made no stupid beeping noises for every reason like keys in the ignition or lights on etc unlike my misses's mazda and my e46 beemer.

+111111111

[steve_t]

From what I've read elsewhere, the Forward Collision system on the Holden is only a half system, it displays a warning but doesn't apply the brakes, its up to the driver to do that. Consequently it's that braking component which is needed for radar/adaptive cruise and Holden doesn't actually have it.

A pity because on the times I've hired a M-B C200 CGI, I've loved the adaptive crusie control which can brake (not just coast) the car and also has a proper speed hold function, perfect for driving around the city with the menace of speed cameras.

Cheers, Matthew

But even the E2 (and E3) came with "Extended Cruise Control" which does apply the brakes if the speed goes too far above the set point. Surely they could just tie into that system...

[Jag530G]

But even the E2 (and E3) came with "Extended Cruise Control" which does apply the brakes if the speed goes too far above the set point. Surely they could just tie into that system...

Here is the article I was refering to that made comment that Holden's Forward Collision Alert doesn't actually brake the car, just provides a warning.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/212797/holden-vf-commodore-models-will-park/

Bloody strange really, because as you say (I didn't know before hand) HSV have the braking capacity, so why won't it brake the car as other systems in other cars do? Admittedly Forward Collision Alert is only for low speed so doesn't have the long range radar for radar cruise but it has the rest of the system, bit annoying really...

Cheers, Matthew

[Ghosn]

i find this amusing:

Translation: the car will feature a whole heap of warning flashing red lights and stupid 'beeping' noises which will do nothing but really annoy the crap out of you.

I already love how my VZ and previous VY VX etc made no stupid beeping noises for every reason like keys in the ignition or lights on etc unlike my misses's mazda and my e46 beemer.

Lets hope this doesn't turn people into lazy drivers.

[Ausmartin1]

From what I've read elsewhere, the Forward Collision system on the Holden is only a half system, it displays a warning but doesn't apply the brakes, its up to the driver to do that. Consequently it's that braking component which is needed for radar/adaptive cruise and Holden doesn't actually have it.

A pity because on the times I've hired a M-B C200 CGI, I've loved the adaptive crusie control which can brake (not just coast) the car and also has a proper speed hold function, perfect for driving around the city with the menace of speed cameras.

Cheers, Matthew

Correct - I believe it will be the same as my Volts - Warning only - don't get excited about these two features guys - as you'll discovery they aren't that great.
Forward collision earliest I can set - pre alert I can set is 2.5sec, now provided it's tracking the car in front (small car icon lights up) it usually provides me a warning when I'm already
taking measures to avoid a collision!
Now for a bad driver this feature could make it WORSE or even cause a collision due to the distraction as the person will be looking at the instrument cluster warning - delaying vital seconds to taking immediate action. Also activates going around parked cars in suburban streets.

The lane departure relies on good lines on the road - doesn't sound thank god - if you are correctly using the indicators to change lanes.
Maybe of benefit if the driver is tired and IF it can read the painted lines at the time they start to lane drift!

[steve_t]

The lane departure relies on good lines on the road - doesn't sound thank god - if you are correctly using the indicators to change lanes.


This tech might get stupid people to indicate when changing lanes!!... probably not - they'll just ignore the warning as the slide across

[subtle]

Lets hope this doesn't turn people into lazy drivers.

Bit late for that i reckon people are already too lazy.

I know most think that we are getting shafted here but you have to look at the market the chev SS is going to. theres no point putting all the good stuff in our SS as that would leave HSV with no room to move. i assume the chev ss is just one model so they neeed to load it up or it wont sell where as here we have a range of commodores to cater for so loading up a omega with all the good bits means theres no point having a calais same thing as loading up the SS there wont be a need for the HSV range. Im not saying its fair but its the way our market is right now.

I think Holden have done a great job on the VF and hope it sells well over seas as that will determine the future of an australian built commodore .

[axemurderer101]

dunno if anyone has noticed this pic but looks like it says adaptive cruise on the dash display.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/axemurderer101/2014_Chevrolet_SS-014_zpsb507ce6d.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/axemurderer101/Untitled_zpsf04f5b57.png

[Hos]

I don't think Holden would be outdoing HSV by including more features in the VF.

Typically, HSV offer more in the body styling and 'go to whoa' department.

[macca_779]

dunno if anyone has noticed this pic but looks like it says adaptive cruise on the dash display.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/axemurderer101/2014_Chevrolet_SS-014_zpsb507ce6d.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/axemurderer101/Untitled_zpsf04f5b57.png

Certainly a possibility. The hardware is all there already. Just a software load away from full functionality

[steve_t]

Was thinking - would you be able to have adaptive cruise in a manual? Cos if you were in 6th and slowed down below idle...
Perhaps have it but with a warning chime (yes more beeps) if you need to change down. How does it go in other cars?
If it was only available in the auto, I'd be gutted

[DMW]

VF Calais >
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFCalais_zpse53195c7.jpg

VF Calais Wagon >
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFCalaisWagon_zps095962de.jpg

VF Omega >
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/VFOmega_zpsb8cc6259.jpg

Not sure about the Omega looks

Sourced > http://www.caradvice.com.au/217135/holden-vf-commodore-base-model-caught-undisguised/holden-vf-commodore-base-model-spy-1/

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

CALIAS looks great not fussed with the other verents

[C4B]

or "variants"

[jaykay]

I like the bonnet bulge..very subtle

[SCiFiRE]

I've never really been a fan of Alchemy...
But i have to say, after seeing the official wagon pics, and these shots... It's really working well with VF and all the jewelry...

[steve_t]

I hope HSV can do something with these because currently, I'm not a fan :( But I really like the interior and the tech specs!!

[Drizt]

The SSV is the one I like the most so far. The Omega is hideous, but I'd never look at that model anyways so it doesn't really matter.

[Smitty]

have been thru all the posts here (again)
and I cannot believe what Holden have done here...

check out this pic of the SSV interior

http://www.holden.com.au/resources/images/vehicleModules/commodore-vf/coming-soon/gallery-issue2-image7.jpg

just what is wrong in this pic?

and seriously I cannot believe what i am seeing..on a so called WORLD CLASS car

[Smitty]

to stop all the guessing....

in 1985 yes that long ago, GMH removed the pull up lock knobs on the doors on VKs
in 2013..on VF we get them back again ! its pretty obvious from that pic of the SSv interior
and checking others models, they all get them

seriously...like WTF are they thinking?

[350VZ]

have been thru all the posts here (again)
and I cannot believe what Holden have done here...

check out this pic of the SSV interior

http://www.holden.com.au/resources/images/vehicleModules/commodore-vf/coming-soon/gallery-issue2-image7.jpg

just what is wrong in this pic?

and seriously I cannot believe what i am seeing..on a so called WORLD CLASS car

Could it be the gay door lock???

[IJ.]

Just have to remember to deadlock the doors with the remote every time you park it....seriously WTF... :(

[Plenty]

Couldn't really care less about the door locks but Where's the height adjustable seat belts? If anyone's ve is like mine the seat belt actually cuts into the plastic trim from pulling it on awkward angles.

[350VZ]

Couldn't really care less about the door locks but Where's the height adjustable seat belts? If anyone's ve is like mine the seat belt actually cuts into the plastic trim from pulling it on awkward angles.

Are you telling me VE's don't have height adjustable seat belts (i've never been in one)??? OMG, so glad I kept my munro...

[Alex(AUS)]

Are you telling me VE's don't have height adjustable seat belts (i've never been in one)??? OMG, so glad I kept my munro...

VE has it. I hope VF does too ... no point adding all these tech features when you take away the basics ... maybe VF doesnt have rear demisters?

This is just like when Holden/HSV took away the alcantara lining, opening door bins and several other things in VE2.

Alex

[DMW]

OMG those door knobs are soooo non "World Class" just like a C63 AMG Merc..........What were Holden thinking :doh:

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/C63DoorKnob_zps3d0cb4ce.jpg

:stick:

[Plenty]

VE has it. I hope VF does too ... no point adding all these tech features when you take away the basics ... maybe VF doesnt have rear demisters?

This is just like when Holden/HSV took away the alcantara lining, opening door bins and several other things in VE2.

Alex
My VE SS-V did not have adjustable seat belts only the calais and HSV variants have them

[Hos]

OMG those door knobs are soooo non "World Class" just like a C63 AMG Merc..........What were Holden thinking :doh:

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/C63DoorKnob_zps3d0cb4ce.jpg

:stick:

Or any new BMW.

@ Alex(Aus) what do you mean by 'opening door bins'?

[IJ.]

Are you telling me VE's don't have height adjustable seat belts (i've never been in one)??? OMG, so glad I kept my munro...


My VY2 Adventra has them ;)
(VZ Tonner doesn't though)

[jaykay]

OMG those door knobs are soooo non "World Class" just like a C63 AMG Merc..........What were Holden thinking :doh:

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc468/ChoppedPS/C63DoorKnob_zps3d0cb4ce.jpg

:stick:

Who cares about the knobs..look at that interior :drool: :drool:

[sjhugh]

Or any new BMW.

@ Alex(Aus) what do you mean by 'opening door bins'?



The compartments built into the doors of the early luxury VE’s had hinged covers that opened and closed.

Also the centre console lid on the early models slide as well as hinged open. This allowed you to slide the console lid forward and conceal the centre cup holders.

These were deleted soon after release as were a lot of minor bits and pieces like compartment lights, suede on the Calais doors and such.

Holden saved money by dumbing down the luxury/common bits not long after the media release. It was what a matter of now we got good reviews we’ll treat the buyers as stupid and remove all this stuff.

At the time this was being noticed by some of the forum members who owned early release models and who were looking to update, Planet Davo defended the practice of quietly reducing the vehicle specifications as common among manufacturers. Funny I haven’t noticed this with the Euros, what I’ve seen is every new year model release seems to have newer tech added not deleted but I guess they sell to the stupid car buyers.

Commodore has proven, buyer won’t accept dumbing down, they just look elsewhere.


.

[701let]

Are you telling me VE's don't have height adjustable seat belts (i've never been in one)??? OMG, so glad I kept my munro...

I had a ve ssv without adjustable belts and a ve clubby and ive never once thought 'gee I really wish this car had adjustable seat belts, I should have bought an old Munro'

[Jag530G]

The compartments built into the doors of the early luxury VE’s had hinged covers that opened and closed.

Also the centre console lid on the early models slide as well as hinged open. This allowed you to slide the console lid forward and conceal the centre cup holders.

These were deleted soon after release as were a lot of minor bits and pieces like compartment lights, suede on the Calais doors and such.

Holden saved money by dumbing down the luxury/common bits not long after the media release. It was what a matter of now we got good reviews we’ll treat the buyers as stupid and remove all this stuff.

At the time this was being noticed by some of the forum members who owned early release models and who were looking to update, Planet Davo defended the practice of quietly reducing the vehicle specifications as common among manufacturers. Funny I haven’t noticed this with the Euros, what I’ve seen is every new year model release seems to have newer tech added not deleted but I guess they sell to the stupid car buyers.

Commodore has proven, buyer won’t accept dumbing down, they just look elsewhere.


.

And the power seats, early Calais V had both driver and passenger 8 way power adjustable seats, just like the VT-VZ Calais, then Holden changed the passenger side to 4 way power adjustable. I always thought that was scummy.

The Japanese played the de-contenting game very hard in the 90's when they were being hammered by the high Yen.

Cheers, Matthew

[Plenty]

I had a ve ssv without adjustable belts and a ve clubby and ive never once thought 'gee I really wish this car had adjustable seat belts, I should have bought an old Munro'

The only reason they need to be there is the seat belt cuts the plastic over time as it gets pulled at the wrong angle for tall people that have there seat a fair way back

[QldKev]

Anyone else think that VF Calais pis from the rear looks like a cross between a camry and a hyundai?

[Drizt]

Anyone else think that VF Calais pis from the rear looks like a cross between a camry and a hyundai?

I actually like the back of the Calais better than the front. I prefer my VE Calais :diddy:

[csv rulz]

Not sure if these have been posted but they popped up on another forum

[jaykay]

What is it ? SS ?

[C4B]

I can't get over how much the back of them look like a Mazda. It must be something about the brake lights that does it.....

[Marco]

Not all VEs have height adjustable belts. My SS does not have them, my Dad's Calais does. Pretty poor when my TS Astra had them.

But anyway, that and the stupid door locks pale into insignificance, I tells ya, when you also consider that for the first time in 20 years there's no SS logo on the seats.

[Marco]

Also, I'm still not sold on the goofy new SS front end while the Omega looks a bit strange with the big chrome vent but no other chrome visible side-on. Calais is still winning for me looks-wise on that basis.

[csv rulz]

What is it ? SS ?

It has quads so I think so.

[Alex(AUS)]

The compartments built into the doors of the early luxury VE’s had hinged covers that opened and closed.

Also the centre console lid on the early models slide as well as hinged open. This allowed you to slide the console lid forward and conceal the centre cup holders.

These were deleted soon after release as were a lot of minor bits and pieces like compartment lights, suede on the Calais doors and such.

Holden saved money by dumbing down the luxury/common bits not long after the media release. It was what a matter of now we got good reviews we’ll treat the buyers as stupid and remove all this stuff.

At the time this was being noticed by some of the forum members who owned early release models and who were looking to update, Planet Davo defended the practice of quietly reducing the vehicle specifications as common among manufacturers. Funny I haven’t noticed this with the Euros, what I’ve seen is every new year model release seems to have newer tech added not deleted but I guess they sell to the stupid car buyers.

Commodore has proven, buyer won’t accept dumbing down, they just look elsewhere.


.

Considering everything that has been done to sneakily remove features and now we are getting done over with features and price compared to US. Lets put together a boycott unless they match price / features being sold elsewhere and justify the differences. How many people would agree to that?

Maybe they havent learned anything about the market and loyal supporters at all ... social media is a powerful levelling tool and scammed customers learn quickly ... it is the locals that should get more for less particularly when it is tax dollars that are propping up the industry.

Alex

[csv rulz]

Considering everything that has been done to sneakily remove features and now we are getting done over with features and price compared to US. Lets put together a boycott unless they match price / features being sold elsewhere and justify the differences. How many people would agree to that?

Maybe they havent learned anything about the market and loyal supporters at all ... social media is a powerful levelling tool and scammed customers learn quickly ... it is the locals that should get more for less particularly when it is tax dollars that are propping up the industry.

Alex

Might aswell put a bullet in between commodores eyes. I don't care if the yanks get it cheaper, so long as it means there is a chance we still get a locally produced rwd v8 Holden.

[Alex(AUS)]

Might aswell put a bullet in between commodores eyes. I don't care if the yanks get it cheaper, so long as it means there is a chance we still get a locally produced rwd v8 Holden.

Why is that? If the business case works for the US why cant it work here with same or greater volumes? Or are we subsidising US cars?

I mean every other manufacturer ramps up its prices for Aussies which is bad ... but to get it from your own its a bit hard to swallow. I am sure this will sort itself out sooner or later. It is those that adjust earlier that will be more successful.

Alex

[jc_sv8]

Why is that? If the business case works for the US why cant it work here with same or greater volumes? Or are we subsidising US cars?

Alex

They don't have a performance brand to protect. I doubt the new SS in the states will eat into the Corvette/Camaro market, but here at home HSV would disappear within a year without a gap. The LS3 will never happen until the LT1 comes to HSV.

[BigAnt]

They have a Calais and SSV set up in a tent at the Clipsal 500. I love how the SS looks in person. The orange paint looks awesome in the flesh too. The only thing I wasn't completely sold on was the black wheels.
Usually it takes me a while to come around to the look of a new commodore, but I have liked this one straight from the start.
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae31/AussieAnt/20130301_0954211_zpsf41353d0.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae31/AussieAnt/20130301_0954001_zps304e3bfb.jpg
http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae31/AussieAnt/20130301_1349181_zps971e955d.jpg

[jaykay]

What cars :confused:

[C4B]

The new orange reminds me of Tiger Mica. Everyone went nuts over it when it was released..... Now you can't give them away.

[macca_779]

They don't have a performance brand to protect. I doubt the new SS in the states will eat into the Corvette/Camaro market, but here at home HSV would disappear within a year without a gap. The LS3 will never happen until the LT1 comes to HSV.

Really. Think back a little while and recall when you could spec a HSV spec engine in any model commodore. Didn't hurt HSV then.

But times have changed. LS3 will NEVER be fitted to a Holden model here. Better chance getting L99

[Plenty]

What cars :confused:
It's the same two show cars the SS-V and the Calais.

[steve_t]

It's the same two show cars the SS-V and the Calais.

Think he was distracted by the promo chicks ;)

[Drizt]

The new orange reminds me of Tiger Mica. Everyone went nuts over it when it was released..... Now you can't give them away.

Love the colour on the VF. Can't wait to see it in person.

[Alex(AUS)]

They don't have a performance brand to protect. I doubt the new SS in the states will eat into the Corvette/Camaro market, but here at home HSV would disappear within a year without a gap. The LS3 will never happen until the LT1 comes to HSV.

That's fine. Make Aus SS cheaper than US SS and HSV Clubsport with LS3 the same price. If there are more features then charge more in line with what they are.

Alex

[jaykay]

It's the same two show cars the SS-V and the Calais.

:lmao: lol

[Brett240]

That's fine. Make Aus SS cheaper than US SS and HSV Clubsport with LS3 the same price. If there are more features then charge more in line with what they are.

Alex

then holden wouldn't produce enough revenue to stay viable. If GM could sell the chevy SS for more they would but the american market wont pay for it. It's a side business for holden to make a few extra bucks, the core commodore business is australia.

we have no idea what the financial situation is between Chevrolet and Holden over the pricing of the SS. Holden could be being subisidised by GM/Chev to produce the SS for them for all we know, it is after all a 'halo' car for Chev, its not there for a direct revenue impact.

In the Australian market buyers are happy to pay the price we have here, the premium SS/Calais/HSV lines are the models that sell to private buyers, its why Holden have contcentrated on that market harde this time around.

Frankly if a few thousand Chev SS's get sold at 40K US and that helps the local car industry then none of us should care, we should be happy about it. I am, and i'm lining up for the VF HSV when it comes out. I hope the deal means we get something after the VF as well because i love commodores.

the 40K Chev SS beat up in the papers is just sensationalism for the sake of a story.

[Plenty]

:lmao: lol

yeah, yeah i'll give you that one........ :doh:

[Plenty]

I have a feeling they'll ditch the Redline tag and make the SS-V basically the Redline edition, it may be they needed it for more seperation between that and the normal SS.

Which would mean that the SS-V would gain FE3 over the SS FE2 and also the bigger 4 piston Brembo brakes over the shoddy 2 piston set-up.

[Brett240]

I have a feeling they'll ditch the Redline tag and make the SS-V basically the Redline edition, it may be they needed it for more seperation between that and the normal SS.

Which would mean that the SS-V would gain FE3 over the SS FE2 and also the bigger 4 piston Brembo brakes over the shoddy 2 piston set-up.



I agree, I cant see them going any other way

[Alex(AUS)]

then holden wouldn't produce enough revenue to stay viable. If GM could sell the chevy SS for more they would but the american market wont pay for it. It's a side business for holden to make a few extra bucks, the core commodore business is australia.

we have no idea what the financial situation is between Chevrolet and Holden over the pricing of the SS. Holden could be being subisidised by GM/Chev to produce the SS for them for all we know, it is after all a 'halo' car for Chev, its not there for a direct revenue impact.

In the Australian market buyers are happy to pay the price we have here, the premium SS/Calais/HSV lines are the models that sell to private buyers, its why Holden have contcentrated on that market harde this time around.

Frankly if a few thousand Chev SS's get sold at 40K US and that helps the local car industry then none of us should care, we should be happy about it. I am, and i'm lining up for the VF HSV when it comes out. I hope the deal means we get something after the VF as well because i love commodores.

the 40K Chev SS beat up in the papers is just sensationalism for the sake of a story.


It is unlikely it is the case that Chev is subsidizing the ss to achieve a lower price point. If this is the case then Holden has to be transparent about it because they only survive with substantial tax payer support. The far more likely thing is, as you say, that US will not tolerate higher prices and that is why a lower price point is offered with higher features. The business case works and is sustainable at that point. I believe Holden has to realize that all of this price discrepancy is coming to a head and consumer awareness / dissatisfaction is growing with the dollar above parity. Very few people offer the brand loyalty of years ago. They will buy a product because of its value. With Aussie dollar above parity and US market as a live comparison, that dollar value is being questioned more and more. Even from a economic perspective, 10k more disposable income in consumer pockets means 10k more spent elsewhere supporting other Aussie businesses and not subsidizing US problems.

They would be successful if they make the same US business case work here and they may fail if they don't.

Alex

[Brett240]

They would be successful if they make the same US business case work here and they may fail if they don't.

Alex

we will just have to trust that holden management know more about their business than the average consumer

[mattnsw]

we will just have to trust that holden management know more about their business than the average consumer

The sales figures for Commodore proves Holden management does and the average consumer knows nothing.

[Troutman]

GM doesn't have a history of always being very bright...

[C4B]

The sales figures for Commodore proves Holden management does and the average consumer knows nothing.

This attitude is hardly anything new:

-Cadbury thought so when they changed their milk chocolate formula a few years ago to include Palm Oil. (changed back after backlash)
- Probably the most famous of all time was when Coke decided to change their formula. After backlash they released "Coke Classic" which was the original formula, which then just became Coke again after a while.

[csv rulz]

This attitude is hardly anything new:

-Cadbury thought so when they changed their milk chocolate formula a few years ago to include Palm Oil. (changed back after backlash)
- Probably the most famous of all time was when Coke decided to change their formula. After backlash they released "Coke Classic" which was the original formula, which then just became Coke again after a while.

You could also include VB which is more recent

[Alex(AUS)]

we will just have to trust that holden management know more about their business than the average consumer

I don't know .... sales figures of Holden product has fallen off a cliff while new car sales are at record heights. Perhaps Holden doesn't know as much as they think ... Might be time for a rethink of what they do/do not know.

Alex

[C4B]

I don't know .... sales figures of Holden product has fallen off a cliff while new car sales are at record heights. Perhaps Holden doesn't know as much as they think ... Might be time for a rethink of what they do/do not know.

Alex

I thought the original post was said tongue in cheek.

[Plenty]

I don't know .... sales figures of Holden product has fallen off a cliff while new car sales are at record heights. Perhaps Holden doesn't know as much as they think ... Might be time for a rethink of what they do/do not know.

Alex

The problem may not be the Holden products but more the fact we are flooded with choice in this day and age of so many differing types of cars. realistically for such a fragmented marked the Commodore still does very well, just not like on it's hay day thats all.

[Alex(AUS)]

The problem may not be the Holden products but more the fact we are flooded with choice in this day and age of so many differing types of cars. realistically for such a fragmented marked the Commodore still does very well, just not like on it's hay day thats all.

In a day of inflated Aus prices from most manufacturers and great volumes being sold, surely that is just the opportunity to introduce the US pricing model here. I bet at that price point the commodore would be a great proposition against the flood of other (relatively expensive) cars.

Alex

[Plenty]

The problem is, is all this talk about pricing is pure media speculation and not factual information. Chevy has not released official pricing yet so i wouldn't be getting overly excited about anything yet!

[XSNRGY]

:spew:
Interior:

1924
Quite frankly I dont know which pic is the ugliest one, it looks like crap and I thought the V8 supercars looked like crap too.
R.I.P. the staunch looking VE Commodore.
:spew: :spew: :spew:

[kewgi]

Is it 100% coming out with black wheels?

[abrowne70]

Saw the orange/gold VF SSV today in person looks tuff as and has the black wheels aswell. Tough so much better in real life

[jaykay]

yeah, yeah i'll give you that one........ :doh:

Thanks :bravo:

[Alex(AUS)]

The problem is, is all this talk about pricing is pure media speculation and not factual information. Chevy has not released official pricing yet so i wouldn't be getting overly excited about anything yet!

Absolutely. The talk here is hypothetical ... ie if holden choose to sell a better equipped Aussie car for less in the US. We are hoping that it is sold for less here with the lower features. I am sure if that happens we will all line up for one. However, if Holden isnt listening, they may get the opposite effect ...

Alex

[jc_sv8]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember....

So either get on board and ensure we continue to build world quality cars or put up with the avalance of Korean gear flooding the market.
Yes I believe we do produce quality equipment and bang for buck you won't beat it - even if it's only 6.0L. :-)

[Smitty]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember..............


what we don't know and can only surmise is...what is GM is doing with stuff like the pricing/costing of the engine and gearbox and other
US sourced components

These come from the US ..and are going back to the US. Is there some sort of internal offset for these parts?
...who knows but it is something to consider when one looks at the pricing difference (even excluding taxes etc)


ps... I remember the V8 'til 98 protest. As a GMH employee I thought it funny writing to Chuck Chapman .....
(but as I was running around at that time in a HDT modified 5.0 4 speed VK Berlina I thought it something I should do)

[Smitty]

The problem may not be the Holden products but more the fact we are flooded with choice in this day and age of so many differing types of cars. realistically for such a fragmented marked the Commodore still does very well, just not like on it's hay day thats all.

about 70 brands with 350 models to chose from.
a tad different new car market from what is was 20...even 10 years ago

[Speedy Gonzales]

So we're never going to be parity with US pricing.
I was in the US back in '07 when we had the Monaro GTO here for $75k and they had it on the lot in a Pontaic dealership for US$36k on the road.
What are you going to do?

Ignore what is happening overseas as it is irrelevant. Nothing you do will change that, who cares if they pay $20k for their SS.
Unless you live there your not being paid the same or paying the same.

Do you think that the new VF s worth the money they are charging?
If you do then buy one, if not then buy something else.

Joe average wants a fancy interior that will take 4 adults in comfort from A to B.
Dudes like us want performance and a nice ride. Unfortunately we are in the minority.
Green and clean rule the roost, hence fuel consumption is what the bland brigade dictate.
If they put out an LS3 to appease 1% of the population it will be the last model they release.
Yea it might be sensational but that mentality would have meant that the VK might have been the last time we bought a Commodore.

Back then no body would have bought an engine less than 5L. The 4.9L group A regulation changed that and there was huge backlash.
Hence the V8 till 98 campaign, for those of us old enough to remember....

So either get on board and ensure we continue to build world quality cars or put up with the avalance of Korean gear flooding the market.
Yes I believe we do produce quality equipment and bang for buck you won't beat it - even if it's only 6.0L. :-)

I cant wait till Hyundai brings the RSpec Genesis, the suggestion that Holden builds world quality cars ia laughable, if its world quality, it should be able to be purchased in any region globally, that it isnt because they know they will get smashed

[Marco]

A comment which completely ignores the fact that "world class quality" is not the same thing as "appeals to customers around the world". No matter how well made a large RWD sedan is, it's not likely to appeal to many European or Asian buyers because the market conditions are different; just as Japanese Kei cars might be very well made but are unsellable in the US or Australia.