PTFE polish? Real deal or snake oil?

[Solone]

On eBay there seems to be this miracle polish that lasts for years. They describe it as having zonyl in their formula which outshines and outlasts conventional waxes?

Promoting it like car dealers use it from new as a paint protection option??

Anyone used these products?? If it was so good wouldn't meguiars or mothers do such a polish as well?

The real deal or snake oil?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PTFE-Car-Polish-The-Best-Car-Polish-In-The-World-CONTAINS-12-PTFE-/111022223452?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleani ng&hash=item19d970b05c&_uhb=1#ht_5669wt_891

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Boora-Ultraseal-Car-Wax-Polish-Sealant-Incredible-Protection-with-PTFE-/261205926945?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleani ng&hash=item3cd1162421&_uhb=1#ht_8983wt_922

[toey]

if you want to buy a product from guys who dont even know what their product is, go ahead. polish is an abrasive with or without cleaners in it. they are marketing a sealant. never heard of it and their are much better and known products on the market that will do this job

[bozodos]

I'm sure if that stuff worked anywhere near as well as what they claim, you'd be able to buy it from any detailing website or store!

[Red Beard]

I found this explanation online:

Manufacturers started adding PTFE to car polish because consumers are familiar with the word "Teflon™".

Nothing will stick to PTFE, so its virtually impossible to get it to stick to the paint finish. UNLESS you physically (mechanically) bond it to the paint the same way they "bond" it to a frying pan. IE: They "scratch" the metal with 1000's of micro-fine scratches, and then force the pure "PTFE" into the scratches under intense heat and pressure.

Can you do this to your car? Probably, but you probably don't want to scratch the paint finish to do it. Some operators will say they can do it, by using a high speed buffer to heat the surface - the problem with this, if it was truly 100% PTFE, the buffing wheel simply wouldn't cause enough friction to create the heat required to bond the PTFE to the paintwork. (remember: PTFE = no friction).


If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Solone]

there are a few comparisons on other forums and most say that it outshines conventional wax and lasts longer.

Many have said it dont last the 3 years plus that some sellers claim but it lasts a good 6 months+ which is more than conventional wax lasts.

Also the sellers all seem to be from UK or Germany in very cold temperatures. Possibly due to our warmer climate there is no real need for a longer lasting wax but in snow or bad weather it may have forced someone to create something..

Ive also read it dont need to be baked on as per the earlier post but other additives hold it to the paint which give you a barrier which repels more than a conventional wax.

One of the sellers on ebay has sold thousands with a 100% positive feedback.

[bozodos]

I like to use long lasting sealants due to the heat that my car sees - the best I've found so far was a two step Duragloss pack from Car Care Products.

You could always try it Solone and see how you go with it

[VNV8]

There are plenty of long-life sealants out there which are proven, they're usually ceramic coating-type products, car care products have a few on their website.

[toey]

seems like you are pretty set on getting it, if you want to try something and be the guinea pig, who are we to stop you.

if you want something that works look at some of the following
wolfs body wrap
wolfs hard body
22ple (think its pro applied)
nanolex pro (pro applied)
opti coat (pro applied)
opticoat 2.0
c quartz
g techniq (pro applied)
ceramic pro (pro applied)

there is a few for you to look at

[Red Beard]

One of the sellers on ebay has sold thousands with a 100% positive feedback.

The problem with ebay feedback is that it's usually put up when the goods arrive, or just after first use, not 2 or 3 weeks later when it's worn off, or 3 months later when it's still beading up and providing good protection either. It would be more interesting to see how many are repeat customers. I know this guy who bought a box of that FW1 spray wash and wax, swears it's the best thing going around. He still uses it, even though his car is covered in swirl marks, he thinks it's normal because most cars have it, likes the fact that he doesn't have to hose the car, mind you he used to shower at work so he didn't have to use his own shower.

I've actually used Nulon oil additive with PTFE in it for over 20 years. I can't honestly say that it works, because I've never had any internal components break or fail inside the engine. I guess the heat bonding process isn't a problem inside a motor.

I'm not saying it doesn't do what it says, we'll just have to wait and see if anyone wants to be a guinea pig.

[Solone]

Well I purchased it and it arrived...

Did the ls1...

It came in a 2 part treatment, pre cleaner and extreme endurance zonyl + resin treatment.

The pre cleaner needed to buff it in.. Looked like a mirror finish, seemed like using clay bar

Then used the ptfe polish... It was very difficult to apply and remove to be honest.. Seemed to dry up quickly. Seemed to have to use a fair bit. It says to let completely dry before buffing off. So I went shopping, come back and buffed it off..

Car is extremely slippery to touch and looks like a mirror/glass finish.. I would say it shines as good as any polish I've ever used.. (I currently use the meguirs ultimate on my other car) For looks I give it a 10/10... As good as the McGuire ultimate.

It still remains to be proven how long it lasts as this is the primary reason I bought the ptfe treatment. For looks could just get meguirs ultimate to match it. Car stays outside and i rince off the morning dew each morning so we will see. I will update in a month or so...

[white lie]

Maguiars gave you a 10/10 finish? Must have been a good starting platform!
I'm guessing you had already purchased before starting this thread or just after?

Don't mean to sound condescending, I'm just skeptical about the "latest and greatest" as opposed to tried and tested methods.

[toey]

WOW!!! you ask for advice and yet take none in??

had a few minutes spare so i watched the video in the first ebay link.......bahhhaaahhhaaahaaa........yeah that sheets water awesome.......NOT!!!!!! longest lasting sealant on the market, lasts 12 months. they must of done pleanty of research on that statement.

what they dont tell you in their add is that the latest and greatest wax or sealant isnt worth a cent if its applied over poorly prepaired paint surface. if the finish and durability is being compaired to meguiars ultimate wax, then it doesnt need to be anything special to take that mantle piece. seriously, every product i listed above will out perform that stuff. some may be harder to apply and some easier but all will look as good and last longer. there is two of the products i listed that that i sell/apply that has a 5 year garentee for the sealant on used cars and a life time warrenty on new cars.

so there is better products out there if you care to look around and ask people that work in or have a interest in the detailing industry

[VNV8]

If he rates meguiars as 10/10 I don't think he's really that into detailing...

[sjhugh]

Agreed, using Meguiars as the performance benchmark over some of the other higher end products available does mean the PTFE stuff would need to score 20/10 to compete with the tried and tested stuff.

Still, you can understand why consumers often don’t look any further than Mequiars as it has strong brand recognition due to its long association with the mod car scene and performs reasonably well as an easy on solution to short term protection and is ready available at most auto and discount Big W type of places.

When you learn there are other more worthy products out there then get in and give them a try.

The list toey has supplied is a good one and the beauty of these higher end products is they usually don’t cost any more than the mass retail stuff and offer great value for money as they perform better and in most cases, less product is required to achieve the result.

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[Solone]

I know that everyone is a staunch supporter of what they know but Meguirs gear performs as well or better than the products above.

I know people who have won show n shines with meguirs products..

The kit come with a pre cleaner...

We are only a few days in but so far the car looks great and seems to look cleaner for longer. its still very clean despite being parked putside and driven a fair bit.. still very slippery to the touch..

So far the product is meeting my expectations and better than the products listed above and equal to meguirs ultimate for shine..

if it lasts longer i might stockpile the product and throw out my other polish/waxes..

Im happy to compare my shine against anyone elses on here..

[bozodos]

alright, you've piqued my interest enough that I might test this out on the Mrs's VX since it never gets waxed anyway, which particular brand or link did you buy from?

I disagree with you RE: Meguiars products - I initally thought that the Tech Wax 2.0 was good, the Duragloss sealants and quick detailer that I replaced it with shits all over it from both a longevity and shine point of view.

The Megs glass cleaner was utter SHIT - streaky as crap and did not clean windows properly - the $11 Eagle One stuff I usually get cleans better!

Was not overly impressed with their upholstery cleaner either. These reasons are why I actually started looking into what better quality stuff was out there (especially since a lot of it was cheaper or the same price!)

[white lie]

I know that everyone is a staunch supporter of what they know but Meguirs gear performs as well or better than the products above.

I know people who have won show n shines with meguirs products..

The kit come with a pre cleaner...

We are only a few days in but so far the car looks great and seems to look cleaner for longer. its still very clean despite being parked putside and driven a fair bit.. still very slippery to the touch..

So far the product is meeting my expectations and better than the products listed above and equal to meguirs ultimate for shine..

if it lasts longer i might stockpile the product and throw out my other polish/waxes..

Im happy to compare my shine against anyone elses on here..

What facts are you basing this on? Have you tried all or any of the products listed above? If so, which ones?
I'm guessing this is going to be another thread/area where we agree to disagree, but by all means, throw up some pics. Did you take any before shots?

[joeboss]

If it doesn't come from car care products I don't buy it. Just my opinion.

[Solone]

alright, you've piqued my interest enough that I might test this out on the Mrs's VX since it never gets waxed anyway, which particular brand or link did you buy from?

I disagree with you RE: Meguiars products - I initally thought that the Tech Wax 2.0 was good, the Duragloss sealants and quick detailer that I replaced it with shits all over it from both a longevity and shine point of view.

The Megs glass cleaner was utter SHIT - streaky as crap and did not clean windows properly - the $11 Eagle One stuff I usually get cleans better!

Was not overly impressed with their upholstery cleaner either. These reasons are why I actually started looking into what better quality stuff was out there (especially since a lot of it was cheaper or the same price!)

Search on eBay ptfe polish..

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Car-Polish-PTFE-Paint-Sealant-Car-Cleaning-Microfibre-Kit-Car-Wax-Shop-500ml-/330744304672?pt=UK_Car_Accessories_Car_Care_Cleani ng&hash=item4d01e59420&_uhb=1

I bought the super endurance and pre cleaner set. Try it I was impressed.. Seller has 7000+ sales with 100% feedback

[toey]

I know that everyone is a staunch supporter of what they know but Meguirs gear performs as well or better than the products above.

I know people who have won show n shines with meguirs products..

The kit come with a pre cleaner...

We are only a few days in but so far the car looks great and seems to look cleaner for longer. its still very clean despite being parked putside and driven a fair bit.. still very slippery to the touch..

So far the product is meeting my expectations and better than the products listed above and equal to meguirs ultimate for shine..

if it lasts longer i might stockpile the product and throw out my other polish/waxes..

Im happy to compare my shine against anyone elses on here..

Well you obviously know your detailing products then. I'm sure after dropping about $500 on all the products above to form an accurate opinion you would finish them off. They should last another 20+ years with all the ceramic and nano sealants.

Btw meguiars is well marketed and packaged rubbish. Cars that win big shows are sponsored to use them. Go to any of the top level detailers around the world and you will find bugger all of that brand or any other products readily available at auto stores. Reason is there is far superior products available if you know where to look. Still yet to hear anything on your new product from anyone who's opinion I respect, and with the amount of sale you say they have, the industry should be aware of it.

[toey]

Also, organize a date and place half way between us n ill take that shine challenge, white lie, you in too? hope you bring your A game

[Solone]

Also, organize a date and place half way between us n ill take that shine challenge, white lie, you in too? hope you bring your A game

Are you sure you want me to bring my a game? If so ill bring my other car and the show n shine trophy I won 2 weeks ago using meguirs products. I beat some big $$ builds that have been in various magazines..

But to give you a shot ill bring my ls1 that is 12 years old detailed with ptfe polish parked under the stars every night. Ill post up a few pics? Feel free to do so also Lol

Truth is I'm trialling the ptfe polish on ls1 as a possibility for my other car at next show n shine.

[white lie]

lol
I'm not out for a contest of any sorts, if you're happy with the results then that's fine. I would like to see some before and after shots though.

What you need to understand is that some products get good results because they remove inperfections in the paint and others get results because they are filling the imperfections, creating a mask if you like. Generally, the ones correcting it will get superior results that also last a lot longer as corrected paint doesn't wash off over time... I'm sure you can work out which of the two options Meguiars is ;)

[toey]

a reflection shot that anything can look good in
2115
and a full sun shot which shows the true paint condition
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/david_tomek/the%20limo/IMG_2952edit.jpg

i got trophies too but that means nothing as many shows have people judging them that are just club members running the show. only the big ones like motorex, summernats and the likes have experts that know what they are doing.

ive shown you mine, lets see yours (sexual overtones intended lol)

[bozodos]

I hate full sun shots, they show up all of the swirls in the clear coat that I'm too pussy to attempt at buffing out :(

That said, the Duragloss 105 seemed to help with that a bit. I put on Tech Wax 2.0 after some bastard took off with my brand new bottle of Aqua Wax the other week, visually and to the feel you could tell the difference between the two products, the Megs stuff felt and looked like I'd just sprayed silicone spray onto the paint :/

Still interested in the PTFE stuff for cars that don't really get the paint finish looked after on though

[kosta2577]

hows the polish still hanging in there?? thinking of doing if for my ve

[Solone]

hows the polish still hanging in there?? thinking of doing if for my ve

I will give car a good wash this weekend and see how the polish is lookin. Id like to see how smooth it still is. Car has been outside everynight with dew on it.

I can say its as good as other polish ive used, but still to confirm its benefits of being long lasting. I say go with it, worst case is it doesnt last as long as they claim.

[RRR888]

Interesting debate.

Meguiars has great brand recognition - It has a reputation with the average consumer for being a professional high-end product, it's marketed so well.

I sell a lot Meguiars and Eagle One products. Both brands have a range that will allow the average punter to keep their vehicle in great condition.

At the end of the day, using any car care product is better than using none.

[VZ_V8]

Sorry to hijack the thread, I wasn't going to say anything as I really couldn't be bothered typing but I will anyway.

Whilst I will agree there are certainly a lot of high end products out there which are better that Meguiars, Megs aren't as bad as is being made out in this thread IMO. For the average enthusiast some of their products are more than adequate.

I recently had my ute professionally machine polished and then had Swissvax Crystal Rock applied and whilst it looked fantastic, I didn't feel that it looked any better than when I last properly detailed it myself and it certainly hasn't lasted any longer either.

Good results can be had from the Meguiars products if you are willing to take the time needed to do it all properly.

Whilst I use a range of products from Swissvax, Zaino, Autoglym and 303 Products, I use Meguiars Tech Wax 2.0 Paste, Ultimate Quik Detailer and Wash and Wax and my ute looks something like this...

Full sun...
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/tim6489/IMG_1293700x500_zps2cf93ea5.jpg

Reflection...
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/tim6489/IMG_2456700x525_zpsb7c36909.jpg

Sheeting water...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHf7AGGNJpE

[bozodos]

UQD is meant to be a decent product, however I can buy Duragloss Aqua Wax for cheaper.

I was using Tech Wax 2.0 every month there - the biggest gripe with it for me was that after 2-3 weeks in the elements it wore off, compared to using Duragloss polish twice a year and Aqua Wax (actually a synthetic QD) monthly. I stand by my statement about Megs interior products being shit as well.

[toey]

Yeah, bugger buying crystal rock, I don't care what they say, it can't be worth the asking price.

Yes you can get good (great needs machine polishing) results with meguiars, you just need to do it alot more often then you would with a premium product. Thing with megs is its very well marketed so average guy thinks its the go and with how easy it is to use, they get hooked. Downside is all the marketing, sponsorship and fancy packaging has to be paid for by someone, hence the high cost for the quality (durability and results) of the product you get (off the shelf products).

I admit I have a couple of products from megs but its not anything you will find in any auto store, but has to be ordered from USA or a local detailing supplier.

[Solone]

UPDATE

Washed and chamois car on the weekend, still looks freshly polished..

I contacted the seller of the product with some tough questions and my response is that the product will clearly outlast any of the conventional wax products and offers similar wet look results. But it is likley to need reapplication every 3-4 months, not years as some of the other sellers claim. Also claimed that under identical conditions no other wax would have the same durability as this formula.

At worst its a very good "winter wax" where its unlikely you will get too many opportunities to wax the car. Or if the car is outside in the elements for extended periods. IT looks great, if it maintains the look for 3-4 months, nothing wrong with that. Ill take that.

The car is looking amazing and its very slippery to the touch

[mattnsw]

My grandfather use to wash his car down with kerosene and it left his car shiny and smooth to touch.

It takes about 10 years for the paint to start flaking off.

[bozodos]

that's not a bad run really

[white lie]

Any decent wax should last 3 months before needing re application and a high quality paint protection/sealant will last 6-12 months before its effects wear off.

[Solone]

Update...

Returned to my car today which was parked under a tree. Bird poop over half the bonnet. Don't know how long it was there.

When I got home simply wiped off, just come straight off.

This polish is starting to earn its stripes

[Solone]

Been a fair bit of rain round here. If it dries up tomorrow ill wash the car and see how the ptfe polish s holding up..

Car been outside every night, through three days straight of hard rain, some bird poop on bonnet and about 4 car washes..

Not many polishes will handle that. I'll see tomorrow

[white lie]

No polishes will provide protection as they're not designed to. A polish is abrasive and cuts the paint/clear to induce shine or gloss. You then protect this with either wax or sealant.

Most decent products will survive a full winter's abuse with the exception of some waxes which may need another application but that is more a case of wrong product for the purpose. I'm glad that you're happy with the product but you're beginning to sound like a salesman by making false claims.

[***VX*R8***]

No polishes will provide protection as they're not designed to. A polish is abrasive and cuts the paint/clear to induce shine or gloss. You then protect this with either wax or sealant.

I find it very confusing when people use the word "polish" but actually mean "wax/sealant".

[toey]

That's a American thing, their marketing that calls abrasives and sealants both polish. I guess it's to simplify it for people who don't have much knowledge in the area. Worst brand for this in my opinion is meguiars.

[Solone]

Nope Im no salesman, just want you to enjoy what im enjoying.

This wax sealant looks the goods, washed the ls1 and gleaming.

I went to a family do, someone came inside and said shame on you to everyone with a dirty car.. because they saw mine and it was gleaming, everyone elses car looked terrible.

[bozodos]

That's a American thing, their marketing that calls abrasives and sealants both polish. I guess it's to simplify it for people who don't have much knowledge in the area. Worst brand for this in my opinion is meguiars.

kinda like synthetic "waxes"!

[Solone]

UPDATE

Over 2 months now since polish, been outside every night. It's been bucketing with rain. Car has been washed regularly..

A quick 5 min wash today and it looks like its just been waxed. Incredible

I don't know why we cannot buy this stuff in Australia, nothing performs like it