VF Commodore revealed - Official details and pics - Part 4

[mickeyVX350]

I wasn't sure if I'd like the bum, but being stuck behind an SV6 I can honestly say it looks awesome! Holden have done a great job of "shrinking" the size of the car though the appointments.

Loved the stripe kit across the doors, but god I hate the bonnet stripes, looks like a shield!

[charlie15]

I really like the back. It's way better than the ve. The ve rear is too blocky for my liking.

[Deco28]

That HSV would drive me bonkers. IDK what's worse, the panel gaps, unmatched paint ot the just have them so we can be different tacky gauges. Yet if I could, I'd still have one...

[mjrandom]

The few VFs and two Gen Fs I have looked at have had good panel gaps and nothing hanging off that I could see. The issue with the paint will be that part is painted on metal and part on plastic and while it is the same colour it looks different. Happens on every car. Different angles and light makes it worse. When I had my F6 liberaced several years ago the paint guy said what do you want us to do, match the paint on the rear bumper with the front or make it look the same as the rest of the car? WTF? So he showed me. Yep he was right. Same for a Merc and an Audi that was there.

[VYBerlinaV8]

The plastic panels on each side of the shifter don't align (either side) in the picture of the two gauges.

And why the hell would you have gauges down there anyway?

These Holdens are good cars, but things like this really let them down, I reckon.

[Maccas]

I think everyone is being extremely critical when it come to the fitment and panel gaps, go have a look at one in person and there pretty damn impressive! I know this as i build malibu boats interiors 5 days a week and we have an extremely stringent quality we have to follow! Holden are doing a great job and i think people should cut them some slack and stop being a big bunch of F@#%ing wingeing critics and support our great company and be proud of what we can produce! If u can do better than what holden/hsv are prove it!

[mrtockley]

I think everyone is being extremely critical when it come to the fitment and panel gaps, go have a look at one in person and there pretty damn impressive! I know this as i build malibu boats interiors 5 days a week and we have an extremely stringent quality we have to follow! Holden are doing a great job and i think people should cut them some slack and stop being a big bunch of F@#%ing wingeing critics and support our great company and be proud of what we can produce! If u can do better than what holden/hsv are prove it!

Valid points Macca but Malibu charge a premium because they make premium products. If HSV are happy for their cars to leave the factory with gaps and some of the other issues we've seen then they shouldn't be charging the prices they do.

[Plenty]

Quite disappointed with the approach of sales staff at the moment. They are not willing to discount bugger all, i realise that they are on a sales high for the new model but it's inevitable that in 6-12 months the sales will well and truly plateau and they will be sitting on the arses again.

In my opinion if you can sell a car with only a small profit you bloody well sell it, the next and/or the previous people have already paid retail for theirs. Very frustrating dealing with HSV today. Like i said they are on a big high at the moment with cars selling before they hit the lot but that'll soon stop and they're to bloody ignorant to realise!

Other than that every time i spend time in one of the variants i'm even more impressed. Not a fan of the cream highlights in the Redline/Calais interior but other than that it's very good. I paid particular attention to fit and finish today and must say out of the 10 or so variants i looked at i only found one minor thing, the headlight on one was slightly off and as someone mentioned elsewhere you could see into the engine bay.

[vyls1wa]

I got 3500 knocked off mine, push em hard enough and it's there,

Calais V btw

[steve_t]

Quite disappointed with the approach of sales staff at the moment. They are not willing to discount bugger all, i realise that they are on a sales high for the new model but it's inevitable that in 6-12 months the sales will well and truly plateau and they will be sitting on the arses again.

In my opinion if you can sell a car with only a small profit you bloody well sell it, the next and/or the previous people have already paid retail for theirs. Very frustrating dealing with HSV today. Like i said they are on a big high at the moment with cars selling before they hit the lot but that'll soon stop and they're to bloody ignorant to realise!

Other than that every time i spend time in one of the variants i'm even more impressed. Not a fan of the cream highlights in the Redline/Calais interior but other than that it's very good. I paid particular attention to fit and finish today and must say out of the 10 or so variants i looked at i only found one minor thing, the headlight on one was slightly off and as someone mentioned elsewhere you could see into the engine bay.

But why would they waste their time haggling with you when the next guy in the door will happily pay sticker price?

[vyls1wa]

That's a fair point the first thing I did was call a mate who is a gm at a fleet company, he gave me the margin they are working with and that's what I worked on, 10 minutes of haggling and it was deal done. They made a few hundred and the point I made was the guy behind me may buy it at retail, but if I walk out now you don't make money off me at all. Given that I had been dealing with three dealers I was prepared to walk.

You're got the margin on their rrp plus the dealer delivery cost which is was quite quick to cut in half when I asked for a better deal.

Just to give people an idea the margin on a ssv auto was $35**, Calais V was 4100.

[Plenty]

But why would they waste their time haggling with you when the next guy in the door will happily pay sticker price?

That was the point mate, they are just living on a high at the moment, soon the easy sales will dry up. I would sell 10 cars at retail and let one go cheap, rather then sell 10 and let that 1 sale go. At the end of the day it's a numbers game and the higher the number the better. I also understand that they need to make a commission and a profit i'm not arguing that but they have already made that on the other 10 (which is just a number for arguments sake).

On a positive they are selling bloody well and like i said often before they hit the deck.

[Plenty]

I got 3500 knocked off mine, push em hard enough and it's there,

Calais V btw

Yep, i reckon alot more willingness to play from the Holden variants rather than the HSV, which i was more referring to.

[vyls1wa]

No worries

[bozodos]

also gotta remember that HSV are a niche manufacturer, and I daresay the pricing is a lot more competitive now as with the Holdens.

[Plenty]

Another thing i had to laugh about today on an Clubsport R8 SV..... Not so long ago you had to get a premium model to get side mirrors in the same colour as the car instead of black, now you gotta pay extra to get black ones!?!? Go figure huh.....

[Deco28]

I'm in a small town with one dealer so can't play ball with them. Had a prelim discussion the other day got the margins for the Calais and SV6. Made it seem he wasn't really willing to go lower then RRP, was hesitant to even throw in extras... This will be fun

[mjrandom]

Deco when I was in CQ I had the same issue. On one occasion I bought the car from Brisbane and arranged to meet halfway as part of the deal, another time used those prices to bring some sense to the local dealer. Work out what it would cost for a flight to Brisbane and a running in trip home. Sometimes it works out well.

[Hos]

Deco,

I live in a large rural town but again only one dealer. I shopped around last time, and found FAR better deals out there.

Dealer 100km up the road was $11k cheaper but couldn't throw on extras. Rang a dealer in Adelaide, one phone call was all it took and I was a total of $14k better off.

Ring around and get prices. If local dealer doesn't play ball, buy elsewhere. Happy hunting.

[charlie15]

Some dealers really won't budge. I've called 6 places in Melbourne looking for a Calais v v8, 4 dealers said that they wouldn't budge from the 57k mark. The cheapest I was quoted was $53,485 for a black on black one.

[Vulture]

Go in instead. Look like a serious buyer etc. I think you'll get a better price if you are in there wanting to put your money down. They won't want you leaving without a signature. I think you'll usually get a much better deal sitting there rather than on the phone.

[Swordie]

Go in instead. Look like a serious buyer etc. I think you'll get a better price if you are in there wanting to put your money down. They won't want you leaving without a signature. I think you'll usually get a much better deal sitting there rather than on the phone.

I agree, need to visit dealer not ring for best deal. They will not give good price on the phone.

[desh]

Recently signed up for a HSV Tourer R8 SV.
Went to about 8 dealers in Melbourne and one in Geelong. The attitudes of the salesmen were extremely varied, from “RRP is what we offer you” to “come back when you have seen all the other dealers and I will beat them”. One (Geelong) even wanted to tell me all he knew about the GTS, not listen to what I wanted, and I walked (as I did others).
Couple of others were quite relaxed and, as salesmen, open to discussing my thoughts on prices and negotiating.
Another thing I found was the the “old” salesmen were the worst, their bad attitude, assumed they were knew better, etc. (Caveat : I am OLDER than them:-)
I basically went in with a “I am trying to decide whether to upgrade my (FPV) GT or not, I am looking for the best price, and will decide the dealer based on the outcome”. The dealers I finally selected were low pressure (though “clever”), and in the end I selected a deal I was happy with, though I think I could have done better (or maybe just stuck with my GT).

Looking forward to the new wagon in a month.

[Hos]

Bit hard to go in though if you live miles away, as I did and Deco does. Fair point though.

When I called up I stated I lived in the country, not happy with local offerings, what can you do? Like I said, one phone call was all it took for me to buy from 5 hours away.

[DMW]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

[Plenty]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

Definitely wouldn't be buying that car!

[CLUBRED]

bahahaa, that's made my week so far...

[C4B]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

Someone's been watching too many Ken Block videos....... :)

[ACE_55V]

WOW... I would not think Holden would want that as an add for a new car with factory warranty?
holden is ok with customers doing standstill burnouts with the new VF???

[Plenty]

WOW... I would not think Holden would want that as an add for a new car with factory warranty?
holden is ok with customers doing standstill burnouts with the new VF???

It is just an add for a dealer mate, nothing to do with GMH. The guy doing it was actually the owner of the dealership anyway.

[jaykay]

It is just an add for a dealer mate, nothing to do with GMH. The guy doing it was actually the owner of the dealership anyway.

Be interesting to see if Holden have anything to say / do......

[XLR8 V8]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

... and a quick karcher under the guards and it was probably back on the sales lot as a "Brand new VF SSV Wagon - delivery km only" :lol:

[Mohit]

It is just an add for a dealer mate, nothing to do with GMH. The guy doing it was actually the owner of the dealership anyway.

What's with his tongue lol

[Interceptor]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

Balls to the wall driving! luv it

[jc_sv8]

It looks like a well worn track through the yard, may be that's how they treat all of their new cars :driving:
Must be part of the pre-delivery price - a new set of rubber...

[Plenty]

What's with his tongue lol

Don't dent it....... don't dent it........... probably something along those lines!

[CLUBRED]

WOW... I would not think Holden would want that as an add for a new car with factory warranty?
holden is ok with customers doing standstill burnouts with the new VF???

I decided to do some fishing and send it to their FB page, they just said to direct any concerns I had to the dealer, LOL.

[Goggles]

... and a quick karcher under the guards and it was probably back on the sales lot as a "Brand new VF SSV Wagon - delivery km only" :lol:

remind me not to buy a car from that dealer

[super coach]

went and looked at an R8 today while I was at the dealership, it looked good but then tacky at the same time. the interior was nothing wow it felt like you were in a SS the only thing to say you were in a HSV was the logo on the dash and gauges down below, which mind you look cheap and an after thought, it didn't take me long to pull them out not great fitment at all, the thing I did like was the knob which manages the EDI. the other let down was fit and finish, gaps here and there white paint chipped from most plastic corners, could even put my little finger in the door seal gap near the A pillar and exterior mirror.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/null.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/null.jpg.html)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/null-1.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/null-1.jpg.html)

[sjhugh]

remind me not to buy a car from that dealer

He is a serious car guy and has some beautiful examples.

I buy from there.

They are very mod friendly.

[Jaba3112]

Also seen a white VF R8 today, although it was one of the 340kw versions with forged wheels and a few painted bits. I thought it had a pretty mean stance from factory. Look a lot nicer in the flesh compared to all the press photos etc.

[Ghosn]

What's with his tongue lol

And her lips?

[jaykay]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/null-1.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/null-1.jpg.html)

Where is this ?

[EddieVE06]

Not sure if that's around the rear lights but thats what I also saw on the r8 I looked at on the weekend. That doesn't look good

[CLUBRED]

I decided to do some fishing and send it to their FB page, they just said to direct any concerns I had to the dealer, LOL.

Oh, they also answered my question re - warranty;


Typically, service and warranty exclusions include:

Misuse

This Voluntary Warranty does not cover damage caused by:
(a) misuse or abuse of the vehicle such as by racing,
rallying, overloading, etc., or neglect,
(b) operation of the vehicle after the defect is known,
(c) failure to carry out proper maintenance services (refer to
the service matrix in this booklet),
(d) use of incorrect types and grades of fuel, oil or lubricants,
(e) alteration or modifications of the vehicle by anyone not
authorised by Holden,
(f) fitting of parts or accessories not recommended by Holden,
(g) any work carried out on the vehicle by anyone except an Authorised Holden Dealer or Authorised Service Outlet.

Section (a) is the relevant passage here, referencing as it does "misuse or abuse of the vehicle such as by racing,
rallying, overloading, etc., or neglect".

Keep your vids off the tube lads.

[Interceptor]

That paint and panel finish is a shocker.. Wonder if its just the HSV bodykit/taillight fitment that is causing these issues..

[ACE_55V]

It is just an add for a dealer mate, nothing to do with GMH. The guy doing it was actually the owner of the dealership anyway.
LOL, I've got no problems with it...good on the guy if he's the owner of the dealership. But if I buy a car from holden, drive it like that then need, say my diff replaced or gearbox, They'd be happy to replace under warranty? The vid does have a Holden logo all over it at the end?
I would think Holden would not want that vid on youtube from one of their dealerships

[team illucid]

LOL, I've got no problems with it...good on the guy if he's the owner of the dealership. But if I buy a car from holden, drive it like that then need, say my diff replaced or gearbox, They'd be happy to replace under warranty? The vid does have a Holden logo all over it at the end?
I would think Holden would not want that vid on youtube from one of their dealerships

He was driving spiritedly but wasn't flogging it, so I see no issues with getting stuff replaced under warranty.

All the evidence they usually need is in the electronics anyway. My son's swim coach got busted by Ford when he was flogging his brand new Ute in the carpark and the auto box died. Towed it to the dealership, they analysed the revs that the box was living at when it died and said he was abusing it. Gearbox replaced at owner expense.

[jaykay]

The vid does have a Holden logo all over it at the end?
I would think Holden would not want that vid on youtube from one of their dealerships

A bit late for that :lmao:

[Peter B - CV8]

He was driving spiritedly but wasn't flogging it, so I see no issues with getting stuff replaced under warranty.

All the evidence they usually need is in the electronics anyway. My son's swim coach got busted by Ford when he was flogging his brand new Ute in the carpark and the auto box died. Towed it to the dealership, they analysed the revs that the box was living at when it died and said he was abusing it. Gearbox replaced at owner expense.

Spot on Kurt, I wouldn't call that flogging a car. Now, as for what Clarkson does to the expensive exotics he has the privilege to drive - that's abuse in my books.

[mjrandom]

Have to say while I like the spoiler on the SV I don't like it painted body colour, at least on the white. Is that plastic infill panel that is photographed the scuttle? Poor attention to detail for sure.

[super coach]

Yes I took that photo of the rear near the lights, but that wsnt the only problem, the gap at the front where the bonnet meets the grill and lights is another place, the edges of the bumper bar where they meet the bottom of the front head lights and also the front doors where they meet the front fender and A pillar where the mirror sits. I went and sussed two other Gen F and they had the same problem. went and looked at a Calais V and SS V and no problem, fitment and finish was great and one of them was a Calais V in white.

[jaykay]

Yes I took that photo of the rear near the lights, but that wsnt the only problem, the gap at the front where the bonnet meets the grill and lights is another place, the edges of the bumper bar where they meet the bottom of the front head lights and also the front doors where they meet the front fender and A pillar where the mirror sits. I went and sussed two other Gen F and they had the same problem. went and looked at a Calais V and SS V and no problem, fitment and finish was great and one of them was a Calais V in white.

This is a worry considering we the public are paying a premium over the Holden product for a so called premium product :hmmm:

[Deco28]

That moment your windscreen won't pass roadworthy due to 'sandblasting' (lots of little chips) before trading in.

[jaykay]

Gains on a VF SSV with Ramjet OTR and tune.....nice gains on 91 fuel.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1yBr3k6DE

[Drizt]

Gains on a VF SSV with Ramjet OTR and tune.....nice gains on 91 fuel.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1yBr3k6DE

Thanks for posting.

Unfortunately the one test they didn't do is the one I'm personally interested.

Stock + Tune
vs.
OTR + Tune

[jaykay]

3.9% gain over stock with ramjet no tune
6.1% gain with tune after ramjet

So 10% gain for approx. $1,500 ?

[Drizt]

3.9% gain over stock with ramjet no tune
6.1% gain with tune after ramjet

So 10% gain for approx. $1,500 ?

Yes, but what would be the gain with a tune and no ramjet?

[whitels1ss]

3.9% gain over stock with ramjet no tune
6.1% gain with tune after ramjet

So 10% gain for approx. $1,500 ?

I sometimes wonder how much power a brand new engine would pick up after a few dyno power runs an it becomes more loose?
I would rather see these things being tuned and tested after a few kilometers.

[team illucid]

Yes, but what would be the gain with a tune and no ramjet?

2.2% by my maths

Don't forget also that the tune gives better fuel economy by around 10% typically (in my experience)

Therefore it pays for itself over a year.

[Drizt]

2.2% by my maths

Don't forget also that the tune gives better fuel economy by around 10% typically (in my experience)

Therefore it pays for itself over a year.

Unfortunately you can't just subtract the two numbers to work out what it would get without the OTR.

[jaykay]

I sometimes wonder how much power a brand new engine would pick up after a few dyno power runs an it becomes more loose?
I would rather see these things being tuned and tested after a few kilometers.

True as I have seen a VF SSV wagon auto over here pull 196rwkw stock.... and yes I know the auto would be lower than the manual GM tested....

[Vulture]

I won't be accepting delivery of my $100k GTS with crap finish if it's like those pics. No excuse for that on a premium product. They better get this right before they build any more.
Which idiot let's it leave the factory like that? Especially when it would appear to affect multiple cars.

[mjrandom]

Where exactly is that panel?

[jaykay]

Every VF that comes past my nose gets looked at for panel fit and finish and I have been impressed with every one so far. Just hope mine is the same :)

[Deco28]

Does anyone know what cars Mackay Holden has in store at the moment?

[team illucid]

Unfortunately you can't just subtract the two numbers to work out what it would get without the OTR.

It will be pretty close if adding just the OTR gives 3.9%

[Vulture]

Seems it's more of an HSV problem

[C4B]

Quite disappointed with the approach of sales staff at the moment. They are not willing to discount bugger all, i realise that they are on a sales high for the new model but it's inevitable that in 6-12 months the sales will well and truly plateau and they will be sitting on the arses again.

In my opinion if you can sell a car with only a small profit you bloody well sell it, the next and/or the previous people have already paid retail for theirs. Very frustrating dealing with HSV today. Like i said they are on a big high at the moment with cars selling before they hit the lot but that'll soon stop and they're to bloody ignorant to realise!

Other than that every time i spend time in one of the variants i'm even more impressed. Not a fan of the cream highlights in the Redline/Calais interior but other than that it's very good. I paid particular attention to fit and finish today and must say out of the 10 or so variants i looked at i only found one minor thing, the headlight on one was slightly off and as someone mentioned elsewhere you could see into the engine bay.

Pretty simple economics. Google "early adopter" you'll learn a lot.

[jaykay]

First VF to hit the drag strip ?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=580712695312622&set=a.177893995594496.53836.169154373135125&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

[Jonesy40]

Had my first proper look at a vf S'S tonight very very impressed. Going back on Saturday to drive it and have a bit of a play.

Hopefully I can get the dollars to stack and upgrade.

[super coach]

http://youtu.be/eRzS0LI7rBo

apparently Holden have caught wind of this video, funny how it aint available anymore hahaha

[EddieVE06]

Seems indeed. Dropped off the Mrs car for a service and had a look around the dealer. No staff so took my time. VF's look good fit and finish. The gen f has some rear bumper issues on the corners. They stick out and doesn't look great.

[jaykay]

Seems indeed. Dropped off the Mrs car for a service and had a look around the dealer. No staff so took my time. VF's look good fit and finish. The gen f has some rear bumper issues on the corners. They stick out and doesn't look great.

So does that mean what you see is what you get with the Gen F's ?

[EddieVE06]

I wouldn't pay for a gen f if I got it like that. Harder to tell on the darker colors. More noticeable on the lighter colors. when you know it's there your eye seems to always go there as well. I'm sure they will fix it but up to potential clients to also make it known to them that is not great

[jaykay]

I wouldn't pay for a gen f if I got it like that. Harder to tell on the darker colors. More noticeable on the lighter colors. when you know it's there your eye seems to always go there as well. I'm sure they will fix it but up to potential clients to also make it known to them that is not great

What a pain in the ass if you pick up your car and then you have to bring it back to get sorted...Quality Control ring a bell ??? :hmmm:

[mjrandom]

After seeing the pics in this thread I dropped in to the dealer I am buying my GTS from to have a close look at the R8s. None of the three (including one base Clubbie) had the same issue around the light. I printed out the picture and had a really good look. The fit and finish was fine. I then went for a drive in the SV. It sounds way better than the bimodal E2/E3. Obviously it isn't an AMG but it does sound nice and meaty and throaty. I was quite surprised. It also seemed to have about as much stick as ummmm an R8 I know that has a bit of work and a tune. Losing the power steering pump does liberate a few kW but also the tune seems to give the engine more punch off the mark. Quite impressed to be honest and I don't doubt the numbers in the Wheels mag. Interior is great and I agree the extra gauges are tacky and cheap looking and the binnacle that holds them is a bit meh. Following up jk's comments about the SV wheel colour there seems to be a bit of purple in the mix and it isn't a straight match for the bootlid spoiler so despite HSV saying these are the same colour they aren't though in poor light like last Sunday it was hard to tell the difference; yesterday I was looking under fluoros so it was obvious. Still ok but not what I had expected.

I have read and the pics seem to show that the R8 SV seats are the same foams and trim as the GTS can anyone comment on that? Seats were good just surprised if this is the case.

[tezzastreasures]

no.1 plonker at the factory says...you can,t leave it like that it looks sh#thouse........


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no. 2 plonker at the factory says...nahhhh mate. i,ll snap it off and no-one will ever notice. there you go bro. schwwwwwwwwwwweetttttttt.:thumbsup::thumbsup:


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nice work.

cheers tezza

[offshore]

I'm seriously thinking of the GTS now to as oppose to the SSV redline. As for those gauges sounds like they will have to be junked and a suitable replacement found maybe some Stack gauges

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/banners/masthead/main_stack.jpg

[mrtockley]

no.1 plonker at the factory says...you can,t leave it like that it looks sh#thouse........


http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af22/tezzaspics/20130704_133110_zps586f1f07.jpg (http://s990.photobucket.com/user/tezzaspics/media/20130704_133110_zps586f1f07.jpg.html)



no. 2 plonker at the factory says...nahhhh mate. i,ll snap it off and no-one will ever notice. there you go bro. schwwwwwwwwwwweetttttttt.:thumbsup::thumbsup:


http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af22/tezzaspics/20130704_133132_zpsea69045a.jpg (http://s990.photobucket.com/user/tezzaspics/media/20130704_133132_zpsea69045a.jpg.html)

nice work.

cheers tezza

Good ol' Aussie attitude at the factory obviously. She'll be right mate!

[super coach]

that is very poor Tezza. Perhaps a post on the HSV facebook page??? or even better to wheels or motor? I know perhaps that Josh D, he always likes bagging things out

[Deco28]

Saw my first clubby in Pioneer Holden Mackay today. Looked decently screwed together to me.

Has anyone seen Alchemy in person?

[Krizto]

Well its been a while since I've been on the 'ol LS1 forum but after ordering a VF SS-V yesterday, I thought it good timing to come back and see if some of the old crew are still around?

:driving:

- Krizto

[tezzastreasures]

that is very poor Tezza. Perhaps a post on the HSV facebook page??? or even better to wheels or motor? I know perhaps that Josh D, he always likes bagging things out

it wasn,t a hsv just an ordinary old sv6.

cheers tezza

[tezzastreasures]

here some photo,s of the ones from yesterday. the black calais v actually has the machined face alloys on it. not that you can see them all that well.

cheers tezza

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http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af22/tezzaspics/20130704_120515_zpsdd6caf3e.jpg (http://s990.photobucket.com/user/tezzaspics/media/20130704_120515_zpsdd6caf3e.jpg.html)
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[jc_sv8]

I like them, are they the SV wheels?
If so are they staggered?

[tezzastreasures]

I like them, are they the SV wheels?
If so are they staggered?

no these are the new holden hf20 20inch wheels in midnight?? same size all round.

cheers tezza

[jc_sv8]

They are very nice, the only problem with the Redline is the chrome wheels.

[mjrandom]

It is a pity those aren't available in staggered fitment. I prefer them over the redline wheels even in black. The polished finish is pretty average on those.

[mac06]

They are very nice, the only problem with the Redline is the chrome wheels.

The Redline wheels depend on the exterior colour of the vehicle. Nitrate, Red Hot, White and Fantale get black gloss wheels. The rest of the colours get the chrome wheels. The following photo is not very good, just took it with my phone, but gives the idea.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/mac06_07/VFRedlineBlackAlloys.jpg (http://s198.photobucket.com/user/mac06_07/media/VFRedlineBlackAlloys.jpg.html)

[VFast]

Dealer finally got some manual V8s in stock so went down this arvo for a test drive...

One thing of interest was the spare wheel situation. Of the 2x SS and 1x SSV that we checked, all were fitted with the steel space saver wheel. The brochure says that the can of goo is std and space savers and alloy spares are optional but the dealer was adamant that the space saver was standard.

Can anyone confirm what is standard fitment for the spare wheel?

[mac06]

The can of goo is standard, but the spacesaver spare is a no cost option. The alloy spare is optional for $350

[jaykay]

The can of goo is standard, but the spacesaver spare is a no cost option. The alloy spare is optional for $350

If they are available.... i was told they are having enough problem getting 4 for the cars let alone extras for spares...

Tezza..is that black car a Calais with 20's ?

[Plenty]

They are very nice, the only problem with the Redline is the chrome wheels.

That depends on which colour car you get, whether you get the chrome or the black!

[Aus8]

I admit I am bias owning and loving the VF SS V wheels but the redline wheels are a real let down IMO. Don't suit the car at all. Seen one today and just didn't look right.

[jc_sv8]

Yes, agreed, but I'm going for the Black again after the Finance Committee poo-poo'd the Prussian Steel as too green.
I like the colour of the HSV satin silver.

[vfblack]

Dealer finally got some manual V8s in stock so went down this arvo for a test drive...

One thing of interest was the spare wheel situation. Of the 2x SS and 1x SSV that we checked, all were fitted with the steel space saver wheel. The brochure says that the can of goo is std and space savers and alloy spares are optional but the dealer was adamant that the space saver was standard.

Can anyone confirm what is standard fitment for the spare wheel?

Dealer told me that all the dealers have agreed to put in a steel spare and you don't get compressor even though its in the brochure. We were talking about a Calais V

[VFast]

Dealer told me that all the dealers have agreed to put in a steel spare and you don't get compressor even though its in the brochure. We were talking about a Calais V
Interesting info there vfblack. My dealer actually confirmed this morning that they have been optioning these up in the cars instead of the goo/air comp. I have asked if there is an extra cost for this but no reply as yet. Definitely a smart move if that is what all dealers are doing. Too inconvenient if you have to be without your car while a tyre is fixed instead of just dropping off tyre for repair and collecting later on.

[offshore]

Yea mine was optioned up with 19inch alloy spare without asking. $350 I didnt mention it and just accepted it but I got discount anyway so was ok.

[Troutman]

Something in the news...

http://liveimages.motoring.com.au/carsales/general/editorial/ge5532812928155263523.jpg

W310 Commodore SS goes on sale, boosting output to 310kW and 580Nm for just $6495

Australian performance outfit Walkinshaw Performance has today announced its first ‘W Series’ model. The high-output W310 Commodore SS boosts the performance of its derivative VF model, the modified model now developing 310kW and 580Nm.

Considering the donor model offers an output figure of 260kW and 517Nm, the increase is significant -- taking the W310’s output to a figure approximating its more expensive brethren at Holden Special Vehicles.

Walkinshaw Performance general manager, Tony Harris, says that the W310 not only ups the performance of the Commodore SS but also improves driveability, without compromising Holden’s three-year factory warranty.

“We think this is the best performance package we have ever produced,” said Harris. “The final figures are impressive as our previous power pack saw gains of up to 10 per cent. With the W310 package it’s more like 20 per cent, and we did this without compromising the drivability of the vehicle.”

Harris said that the added performance of the new W310 is topped only by a customised exhaust system. The twin system features high-flow catalytic converters and a stainless steel cat-back system aimed at adding ‘extra growl’.

“One of the highlights of this package is the all new exhaust system that brings back the growl V8 owners love so much,” Harris added.

A cold-air intake, custom-calibrated ECU and ceramic coated headers add to the W310’s performance credentials. The model is distinguished by a build plate and rear deck badging.

The Walkinshaw Performance W310 package adds $6495 to the price of the Holden Commodore SS on which it is based, and is available now.

Visit motoring.com.au again soon for our full review on the new W310 Commdore SS.


http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2013/large-passenger/holden/commodore/walkinshaw-rolls-out-its-first-vf-37643

[steve_t]

I guess the really interesting bit will be if someone needs to test the "...without compromising Holden’s three-year factory warranty." part

[Ghosn]

WP really have a habit of ruining the bonnet of the commodore ...

[HOTSV8]

So exhaust , cold air and tune for 6500 dollars ? Is that correct ?

[mrtockley]

WP really have a habit of ruining the bonnet of the commodore ...

They also have a habit of overcharging too..

[amckiwi]

Full custom tune or generic upgrade?
Those are also flywheel kw's so a bit larger than those at the wheels
Stu

[XLR8 V8]

So exhaust , cold air and tune for 6500 dollars ? Is that correct ?


That's what I was thinking too? Surely there would have to be more than an exhaust, intake, tune and a rear badge for that sort of $$.

[Crusty]

That's what I was thinking too? Surely there would have to be more than an exhaust, intake, tune and a rear badge for that sort of $$.

This is Walkinshaw you're talking about, they aren't exactly known for providing value for money :)

[mjrandom]

The badge is made of unobtainium. Saves 0.3 grams on equivalent materials while only costing 19 times more. Is there some form of growth on the bonnet or is it just painted / wrapped?

[Woodchukka]

That's what I was thinking too? Surely there would have to be more than an exhaust, intake, tune and a rear badge for that sort of $$.

Don't forget the wrapped (or whatever they have done) bonnet. Maybe done to aid aero dynamics?

[redvxr8clubby]

Dealer told me that all the dealers have agreed to put in a steel spare and you don't get compressor even though its in the brochure. We were talking about a Calais V

Weight reduction by Stealth? Quote the weight of the car without a spare wheel, then chuck it in later. I believe fuel consumption tests are done on a roller not on the road or track (to remove variables), the weight of the car is then factored in to test results or the roller weighting during testing. So if you can quote a lower weight you get better fuel consumption figure. Not sure when the no spare wheel started with Commodore - VE II maybe? May be I'm just cynical.

[steve_t]

Interesting video of the VF SS vs the XR6T


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwye94Q7PtQ

[VNV8]

Bit of a rip there, should be able to do that aftermarket for half the price, easy. I guess you don't always keep the full warranty that way, but at least you don't have to turn your SS into a JDM-style fake carbon whore.

[Troutman]

Bit of Holden marketing for you.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1072574_10151685074809898_262330482_o.jpg

[Marco]

Interesting video of the VF SS vs the XR6T


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwye94Q7PtQ

What's that red car on the right? Can't recall seeing one on the road.

[jaykay]

Hint Marco...look at your post above there are two places where it tells you...

[Drizt]

Hint Marco...look at your post above there are two places where it tells you...

I think it was sarcasm ;)

[Smitty]

Bit of Holden marketing for you.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1072574_10151685074809898_262330482_o.jpg


well I am not impressed with all the verbage in that ad....

having stuck my bum in a couple versions (EVOKE and SV6) this morning, I have to say the VF has the most uncomfortable seats I have found in any Holden
..since I sat on a bench seat in my old man's HK circa 1970. why?

the seat adjustment ..or lack of is absolutely terrible. The old adjustment wheel for seat back angle is gone..replaced by a notch system which only allows
adjustment in what appears to be 50-70mm movements up or back. Plus the seat base cannot be tilted (I was sliding forwards off the seat coz
of the poor angle) and the seat height adjustment is a joke. A 1984 VK Commodore with its little side lever had a better system of height adjustment...
let alone VT which was all electric. All cheap and nasty Holden. And then they rave on as per the ad!

I seriously have to think about sticking our sale reps (who may spend 6 -8 hours daily) in a car with such crap seating.... Been following this thread
but cannot find if anyone else got issues with this?

[Marco]

It was mentioned/complained about in the Wheels review. I hate seats with the lever system, you've usually got a choice of two angles which are not quite right.

[NickS]

well I am not impressed with all the verbage in that ad....

having stuck my bum in a couple versions (EVOKE and SV6) this morning, I have to say the VF has the most uncomfortable seats I have found in any Holden
..since I sat on a bench seat in my old man's HK circa 1970. why?

the seat adjustment ..or lack of is absolutely terrible. The old adjustment wheel for seat back angle is gone..replaced by a notch system which only allows
adjustment in what appears to be 50-70mm movements up or back. Plus the seat base cannot be tilted (I was sliding forwards off the seat coz
of the poor angle) and the seat height adjustment is a joke. A 1984 VK Commodore with its little side lever had a better system of height adjustment...
let alone VT which was all electric. All cheap and nasty Holden. And then they rave on as per the ad!

I seriously have to think about sticking our sale reps (who may spend 6 -8 hours daily) in a car with such crap seating.... Been following this thread
but cannot find if anyone else got issues with this?

Pretty much everyone here is buying higher spec models ... well those posting anyway. Maybe it's better on the higher end models ???

[vyls1wa]

I haven't sat in a Calais v yet ( I bought one) but went for drives in ss and ssv and loved the seats and the positions, didnt look at evoke but that sounds good at all

[jaykay]

I sat in a Calais V seat and it was very comfortable...will have mine on Friday so can provide more feedback then :)

[Deco28]

Calais is great seating. SS (same seats as SV6)I thought was really good to.

[mac06]

The Evoke, SV6 and SS only get height adjustment on the seats, the rest get tilt adjustment as well. I've been driving the SV6 for a few weeks and find the seating quite comfortable. The rear part of the seat cushion is lower than the front so I don't feel like I'm sliding off the seat. One thing I did notice is that as the seat gets higher it does seem to tilt slightly flatter, however I generally keep my seat at the lowest setting so it doesn't affect me. I'm not a tall person but I do like to sit lower in the car. Even the lever system for the seat back adjustment is fine for me. It's not as specific as the old wheel system, but pretty close in it's notch settings.

[Brett240]

the higher priced models have full power adjustment so the ratchet on those models at least is not an issue.

I dont think they put in the rachet rather than the wheel as a cost saver, I actually prefer it, especially when you want to make a large change such as lay the seat down. it takes forever with the wheel but one movement with the rachet.

[team illucid]

I wonder if the HSV guard flutes could be made to fit in the VF. The angle leaning forward is too much for such a thin flute. The VE HSV ones would look a lot better and less tacky.

[DanielSS-V]

the higher priced models have full power adjustment so the ratchet on those models at least is not an issue.

I dont think they put in the rachet rather than the wheel as a cost saver, I actually prefer it, especially when you want to make a large change such as lay the seat down. it takes forever with the wheel but one movement with the rachet.

The change in the seat controls is a result of switching to US designed seat frames for VF.

[Marco]

I wonder if the HSV guard flutes could be made to fit in the VF. The angle leaning forward is too much for such a thin flute. The VE HSV ones would look a lot better and less tacky.

Really? I reckon the cut-panel VE HSV guard flutes are tacky in the extreme!

[team illucid]

Really? I reckon the cut-panel VE HSV guard flutes are tacky in the extreme!

They suit the HSV though and at least look like they were designed with the car in mind. Accents and shadows rest decently within the flute. The VF looks like a "shit, better add flutes, they'll like that. Oh, and chrome them up" last minute thought.

[Smitty]

It was mentioned/complained about in the Wheels review. I hate seats with the lever system, you've usually got a choice of two angles which are not quite right.

have the mag..and just had a scan thru it. I notice that they do complain about it.

And you are spot on... the seat angles do not fit. they probaby are designed for 150kg yanks
who dont wear seat belts and also don't give a toss about crap seats.

wot really pisses me off is Holden touting the VF that way they are..but WE get stiffed
on something as important as seat adjustment. one step forward, three back

I mean, if you cannot get comfortable in a car and I couldn't (at 5'11 and 85kg)
who gives a stuff about the rest of the car ..if you have to hang onto the steering wheel whilst driiving :(

[Smitty]

Pretty much everyone here is buying higher spec models ... well those posting anyway. Maybe it's better on the higher end models ???

haven't had a chance to try Calais or SS/SSv models (next week if I am not interstate on business).. am interested to see what they offer
(in the meantime as the dealer had no brochures, will download them and have a read to see whats on offer)

[Maccas]

i found them really comfy in the evoke and im 6'3" and weight about 115kgs

[Crusty]

When I test drove a Redline last week (after getting out of a VE SSV) the first thing I noticed was how comfy the seats were, I'm 6'2" and 115kgs and found everything seemed to be positioned well and the HUD was very easy to use.

[Ghosn]

Redline review

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013/large-passenger/holden/commodore/holden-commodore-ss-v-redline-2013-road-test-37555

I find this part of the review most interesting


0-100km/h is dealt with in a claimed 4.8 seconds, Holden says.

Maybe that prodrive video of a 4.8 is accurate? If drive.com.au can get 5 secs flat with a standard SS, then maybe it's not beyond the realms to get 4.8 with a redline. Redline gets firmer suspension, bigger tires and launch control so maybe it is as quick as they claim?

[Drizt]

Plenty will implode

[axemurderer101]

anyone know any details on this car? saw this pic on facebook

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/64101_604300346280677_963766804_n.jpg

[Troutman]

Didn't take 'em long. :D
These guys did my tune and CAI a couple of years back. They're in Blackburn.

More pics...
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.623007357724036.1073741835.481854281839345&type=1


EDIT: Sorry, wrong car. Someone is saying 1000 HP?

Check out the FB page for pics.
https://www.facebook.com/CAAutoFashion

[mrtockley]

Redline review

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2013/large-passenger/holden/commodore/holden-commodore-ss-v-redline-2013-road-test-37555

I find this part of the review most interesting



Maybe that prodrive video of a 4.8 is accurate? If drive.com.au can get 5 secs flat with a standard SS, then maybe it's not beyond the realms to get 4.8 with a redline. Redline gets firmer suspension, bigger tires and launch control so maybe it is as quick as they claim?

They only got 5.5 seconds to 100 though..

[CLUBRED]

TMR seem to be happy with it thus far:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56957/2013-holden-vf-commodore-ss-v-redline-sedan-and-ute-review

[planetdavo]

They suit the HSV though and at least look like they were designed with the car in mind. Accents and shadows rest decently within the flute. The VF looks like a "shit, better add flutes, they'll like that. Oh, and chrome them up" last minute thought.

GM have been working in recent times to tie their designs in to each other more than they used to (and use more common components across different products).
The VF flute design is very similar to the existing Captiva 5 flute design.

[Plenty]

I really like the chromed flutes on the VF, it gives it that understated styling, ala XF Jaguar.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Jaguar_XF_-_11-26-2011.jpg

[jaykay]

May be a stupid question but I am guessing the V8 with auto in the VF has AFM........I remember driving a VE with AFM and it had a display on the dash stating when it was running on 4 or 8 cylinders. I have not found that on my Calais ?? :confused:

[Plenty]

May be a stupid question but I am guessing the V8 with auto in the VF has AFM........I remember driving a VE with AFM and it had a display on the dash stating when it was running on 4 or 8 cylinders. I have not found that on my Calais ?? :confused:

I would say you are correct, it's a novel thing so maybe they thought they would ditch the indicator.

[Tezza_VESSV]

I was wondering the same thing. Is there a hidden menu of extras on the VF like there usually was on earlier models by holding down a button when the car is started? Maybe it would be in there if there is one.

[vyls1wa]

I was wondering the same thing. Is there a hidden menu of extras on the VF like there usually was on earlier models by holding down a button when the car is started? Maybe it would be in there if there is one.

All the settings are under the config icon on the screen, change all sorts of stuff

[Deco28]

WP8 and Mylink. How does it go? Can you use Pandora? Can you access navigation by speaking etc?

[DanielSS-V]

WP8 and Mylink. How does it go? Can you use Pandora? Can you access navigation by speaking etc?

Unfortunately I didn't get to test everything with WP8 during my test drive and I am still a couple of weeks away from taking delivery of the car too. :( What I can tell you is there is a Windows Vista icon (yes Vista) on MyLink and when I pressed and played with the options my phone was seen and it offered to download my contacts to the car. Phone calls could be made fine and bluetooth just worked. I did a test call to see what the audio quality was like (very good) and left it at that. Otherwise I did try playing music stream via bluetooth and that worked first time. It also recognised my MP3 playlist without any prompting from me. We played a coupe of different tracks to listen to the Bose audio and everything worked fine and I could control the music from the MyLink screen. I have a Nokia 920 by the way. I was kind of keen to get back to driving the car at that point. :)

Later I was talking to a Holden factory guy and he said everything but Stitcher works on WP8. He said Pandora is supported if you download the WP8 app. Sorry I can't tell you more.

The MyLink system is very powerful, but quite intuitive. There is a slight lag on some button presses, but really that is being picky. I really liked it the most of any in car system I have personally used before. Like VF itself, its quite impressive.

[jaykay]

Are there any V8 badges / 6.0 litre badges on any VF's ? I find it odd there aren't any :confused:

[VFast]

Are there any V8 badges / 6.0 litre badges on any VF's ? I find it odd there aren't any :confused:
None on the front guard vents???

The only ones I recall seeing are the SS badges on the sides and boot lid...

[Rick76]

Are there any V8 badges / 6.0 litre badges on any VF's ? I find it odd there aren't any :confused:

I don't think 6.0 badges have been used since 2010. I think I have this right....

Auto - 6.0 badges stopped early 2009, replaced with AFM till late 2010 (rear & sides), then AFM (rear)/Series II (sides) after that.
Manual - 6.0 finished late 2010 (on sides only?), replaced with E85 (rear)/Series II (sides).

I replaced the side 'AFM' with 'Calais V' on mine.

[jaykay]

Does anyone know if the colour of the dash lights can be changed. Mine is blue and I would like to see how the red looks like the SS SSV etc...

[shaness8]

Not happy the Yanks are getting our VF Redline with the 6.2L I'll wait for the series 2.

[mjrandom]

What makes you think the series II will get the LS3? Even if HSV go the LT1 as predicted I cannot see them throwing the LS3 in the SS or SSV or Redline.

[mrtockley]

What makes you think the series II will get the LS3? Even if HSV go the LT1 as predicted I cannot see them throwing the LS3 in the SS or SSV or Redline.

Yeah why would they? It might be some sort of record - The only car company to have the same engine in a car for 10 years with less power than it originally had when it launched?

[Wonky]

Great result from a stock VF R8 around Wakefield, beating the previous Aussie best of 70.2 secs by an F6 with a 69.5. For comparison an Evo 10 (fastest of Evos) does 69.4. They then did another lap - 69.1! :goodjob:

See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?165136-Video-VF-R8-Wakefield-Raceway&p=2091567#post2091567 and/or http://vimeo.com/73341248

[Vulture]

Very impressive indeed.

[QIKMIK]

Dropped into the local dealer today and they had a Gen-F Senator Signature in the showroom looking very tidy in white. Well appointed inside, 340 k-dubs under the bonnet, VE Sen and Sig badging...then I looked up. No DVD player.

I spoke to one of the sales team and he said that the roof-mounted DVD option is not available on VF at all. The solution from Holden...an iPad holder!?!

Sorry if this has been mentioned before. I know that DVD is getting a bit old tech now but that seems a bit of an oversight for the family market and to not have one in the top-of-the-range lux model is a bit poor.

Mick

[Drizt]

Sat in a Calais V and Redline VF over the weekend.... damn, I want one.

The interior is at a completely different level to the outgoing VE. Just a very very nice place to be.

[team illucid]

Dropped into the local dealer today and they had a Gen-F Senator Signature in the showroom looking very tidy in white. Well appointed inside, 340 k-dubs under the bonnet, VE Sen and Sig badging...then I looked up. No DVD player.

I spoke to one of the sales team and he said that the roof-mounted DVD option is not available on VF at all. The solution from Holden...an iPad holder!?!

Sorry if this has been mentioned before. I know that DVD is getting a bit old tech now but that seems a bit of an oversight for the family market and to not have one in the top-of-the-range lux model is a bit poor.

Mick

Lol, when we picked ours up the kids had to be shown what a DVD was .. My little guy is 8, and didn't even know you could get movies on anything other than a flash drive :)

[NickS]

Lol, when we picked ours up the kids had to be shown what a DVD was .. My little guy is 8, and didn't even know you could get movies on anything other than a flash drive :)

Yep ... last car we optioned a DVD on was the E1 GTS in 2006, I don't think our guys ever used the DVD in the Grange!

Didn't even ask when we bought the E3, they wouldn't use it anyway.

[vyls1wa]

I prefer the ipad holders, son 5 knows how to work em and I don't need to carry a bunch of kids DVDs with me, that and a roof mounted one would get in the way of my awesome sunroof. Calais V

[CLUBRED]

Any idea how the Caprice is fairing sales wise, wonder how much of a hit it has taken with limited external changes..

[Goggles]

Yep ... last car we optioned a DVD on was the E1 GTS in 2006, I don't think our guys ever used the DVD in the Grange!

Didn't even ask when we bought the E3, they wouldn't use it anyway.

I use the DVD in my VE Series 1 to play music since there is no cheap USB option available. I don't have an iPhone and if I play music from my Galaxy S4 when it is on charge, I get static.

[team illucid]

I use the DVD in my VE Series 1 to play music since there is no cheap USB option available. I don't have an iPhone and if I play music from my Galaxy S4 when it is on charge, I get static.

Do you use it with headphones on?

[Goggles]

Do you use it with headphones on?

no listen through the speakers.

I don't think the headphones work in the front seats anyway

[team illucid]

What do you select on the headunit [aux?)

[Goggles]

What do you select on the headunit [aux?)

rear aux, the front aux is used for the 3.5mm input jack.

[team illucid]

Cheers mate, I should have a go at it

[Goggles]

Cheers mate, I should have a go at it

its good, but has its limitations - my music collection is around 60Gb, so I need to burn around 8 DVDs.

the DVD player cannot cope with music being in folders, so if you want to play all songs on a DVD, you have to burn them outside folders.

[team illucid]

Cheers for the heads up

[Vulture]

I use the DVD in my VE Series 1 to play music since there is no cheap USB option available. I don't have an iPhone and if I play music from my Galaxy S4 when it is on charge, I get static.

The static problem with charging is easily fixed with a cable that has a filter in it. Can find them in some shops and eBay etc. I bought one when I had my E2 Senator. It filters the earth noise. I think belkin make such a 3.5mm cable.

[Goggles]

The static problem with charging is easily fixed with a cable that has a filter in it. Can find them in some shops and eBay etc. I bought one when I had my E2 Senator. It filters the earth noise. I think belkin make such a 3.5mm cable.

have looked for such a cable and can't find it. do you have any links?

[CLUBRED]

Turbulant month, but almost reeled in Hilux:

Mazda3 4188
Toyota Corolla 3681
Toyota HiLux 2884
Holden Commodore 2809
Hyundai i30 2552
Holden Cruze 2369
Toyota Camry 2281
Mazda CX-5 1914
Toyota RAV4 1780
Holden Colorado 1717

[VH-COM]

Other interesting figures ....

Holden Ute 585
Falcon 573
Territory 834
Caprice PPV 718

[jaykay]

The Labour changes to the FBT has stopped a lot of sales...wait and see the sales go up once the Libs get in....

[Deco28]

Thats pretty good for the PPV I think.

[Plenty]

The Labour changes to the FBT has stopped a lot of sales...wait and see the sales go up once the Libs get in....

You seriously think they are going to get rid of that? It's a way of saving money and they don't have to make the excuse for it. Anyway slightly off topic.

[Goggles]

You seriously think they are going to get rid of that? It's a way of saving money and they don't have to make the excuse for it. Anyway slightly off topic.

abbott and hockey signed an open letter to the car industry and others and said as much.

[CLUBRED]

Don't ute sales count toward commodore?

[VH-COM]

Don't ute sales count toward commodore?

Separate sales figures for ute ... I think it is because it is not called a Commodore ute .. it is marketed as a Holden ute.

[VH-COM]

Thats pretty good for the PPV I think.

Been watching the PPV sales numbers ...
July 182
June 511
200 / month was the norm for a while ... now much better with stronger US$.

[VFast]

Can anyone confirm if the "projector" headlights fitted to the VFs are the same as Xenon/HID headlights???

[Plenty]

Can anyone confirm if the "projector" headlights fitted to the VFs are the same as Xenon/HID headlights???

Simply, No.

Projector = Halogen
HID = HID

Although you can fit HID to a projector lamp.

[VFast]

Simply, No.

Projector = Halogen
HID = HID

Although you can fit HID to a projector lamp.
Thanks a Plenty!

i presume you would need to buy the conversion kit complete with external ballast rather than just the bulbs?

[Plenty]

i presume you would need to buy the conversion kit complete with external ballast rather than just the bulbs?
:thumbsup: Yep you got it mate.

[Wonky]

:thumbsup: Yep you got it mate.

As many of us on here have done with VE etc with projectors. :goodjob: Len who used to be on here as SV8er also sells all in one kits (ballast built into the rubber section which mounts directly behind the headlight) on his www.ezihid.com.au site. I haven't used them (I've got separate ballasts) but have a few friends who have and they're quite happy with them.

[VFast]

As many of us on here have done with VE etc with projectors. :goodjob: Len who used to be on here as SV8er also sells all in one kits (ballast built into the rubber section which mounts directly behind the headlight) on his www.ezihid.com.au (http://www.ezihid.com.au) site. I haven't used them (I've got separate ballasts) but have a few friends who have and they're quite happy with them.
Thanks for the info Wonky.

For the spend would you recommend the HID upgrade from the std setup?

What is the typical cost for a quality kit?

Cheers

[Wonky]

Absolutely 100% recommend going HIDs over the standard setup!! I could never go back to non HIDs now after 8 years of driving with them in my VZ SS and now two SSVs. Admittedly I've gone overboard as right from my very first car 41 years ago I've liked as much light as possible (EH with H4 upgrade and 50w Hella driving lights :)) so I've got 35w low beam HIDs, 70w high beam HIDs and 70w driving light HIDs! :eek:

You can get kits from eBay starting at about $80 but as on http://www.hid-lightsdownunder.com/page003.html some of the cheap kits, even those of supposedly high output, are inefficient. Plenty of people on here have the $80 kits and are happy with them. I paid $200 for mine 4.5 years ago (same guy I've bought about a dozen sets from for myself and others - very reliable) but unfortunately after 8 years or more he's no longer there. Guess he could no longer keep competing against the el-cheapo kits. :( The brand he sold were Kingwood, so if you can find a set of them you should be OK.

If you like I can try to find a video clip of my low beams? :confused:

[VFast]

Absolutely 100% recommend going HIDs over the standard setup!! I could never go back to non HIDs now after 8 years of driving with them in my VZ SS and now two SSVs. Admittedly I've gone overboard as right from my very first car 41 years ago I've liked as much light as possible (EH with H4 upgrade and 50w Hella driving lights :)) so I've got 35w low beam HIDs, 70w high beam HIDs and 70w driving light HIDs! :eek:

You can get kits from eBay starting at about $80 but as on http://www.hid-lightsdownunder.com/page003.html some of the cheap kits, even those of supposedly high output, are inefficient. Plenty of people on here have the $80 kits and are happy with them. I paid $200 for mine 4.5 years ago (same guy I've bought about a dozen sets from for myself and others - very reliable) but unfortunately after 8 years or more he's no longer there. Guess he could no longer keep competing against the el-cheapo kits. :( The brand he sold were Kingwood, so if you can find a set of them you should be OK.

If you like I can try to find a video clip of my low beams? :confused:

Thanks for the detailed reply Wonky. I reckon they are great value even for the more expensive $200 kits. I take it the $200 kit is for low beam only?

If you have got a link to your vid that would be appreciated.

Cheers

[Wonky]

See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?138391 for a previous discussion on HIDs in VE (and therefore now VF).

Yep, $200 was the price of my 35w low beam kit.

Video below - firstly coming along the road but whilst moving the camera doesn't fully capture how effective the lights are. Then pulling into home where you see better how good they are. All done on low beam because with 70w high beam and 70w driving lights (wired to come on with high beam) I'm a bit worried about heat so always go to low beam a way from home so as to make sure they're cooled with the air rushing past and not just let them cook when stopped.

Fnwsh1S6zdg

[offshore]

Im pretty happy with the lights on the VF SSV Redline I have maybe worth upgrading for country drives dont really know yet. But its not one of my prioritys as there fine for me so far.

[Wes Mantooth]

I live in the country and am very impressed with the brightness of the standard VF Redline headlights. I was originally intending to mount a couple of spotties on a light bar at the front but I don't think I'll need them. They're as good as, or even better than, the HIDs in my Evo 8.

[Wonky]

That's amazing/puzzling. I assumed they were the same as VE but it would seem not???? :confused:

[Wes Mantooth]

Holden website says projector headlights for the Redline at least. I never bothered to look into the VE so I dunno if that's the same or not.

[Wonky]

VE Omega, Berlina, SV6 and SS missed out on projectors but the rest got them. VE SSV and therefore Redline had projectors.

[CLUBRED]

Im pretty happy with the lights on the VF SSV Redline I have maybe worth upgrading for country drives dont really know yet. But its not one of my prioritys as there fine for me so far.

And peace of mind you won't be driving around worrying about if your lights just randomly decide they don't want to work anymore, especially out on the country drives. Everytime I hear HID retrofits I hear problems, I've never one had to change a bulb let alone had any issues with any of my cars headlights, and it will stay that way.

[Wonky]

In 8 years with HIDs (currently 3 sets) I recently had to change one globe - all of $30! It didn't fail outright either, just turned pinky-orange instead of white.

[VFast]

See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?138391 for a previous discussion on HIDs in VE (and therefore now VF).

Yep, $200 was the price of my 35w low beam kit.

Video below - firstly coming along the road but whilst moving the camera doesn't fully capture how effective the lights are. Then pulling into home where you see better how good they are. All done on low beam because with 70w high beam and 70w driving lights (wired to come on with high beam) I'm a bit worried about heat so always go to low beam a way from home so as to make sure they're cooled with the air rushing past and not just let them cook when stopped.

Fnwsh1S6zdg
Thanks for the post Wonky. Lights look impressive but will have to revisit after I check out the std lights after I collect my new SSV in the next couple of days.

[Marco]

I've walked past a couple of VF SV6/SS models in carparks etc in the past few days and for me, it's still not SS enough. Especially in a plain colour without the rear wing and the 18" base alloys, if you told me that was the VF Berlina (less bling than Calais, more than base model) I'd have no trouble believing you.

[Goggles]

I've walked past a couple of VF SV6/SS models in carparks etc in the past few days and for me, it's still not SS enough. Especially in a plain colour without the rear wing and the 18" base alloys, if you told me that was the VF Berlina (less bling than Calais, more than base model) I'd have no trouble believing you.

for the most part, I think tastes have changed such that the SS models don't need to be overtly sporty as they were in the past.

having said that, I did spend a bit of time wavering between the lip and big spoiler for my VF Redline and chose the big spoiler to make it more sporty.

[Plenty]

for the most part, I think tastes have changed such that the SS models don't need to be overtly sporty as they were in the past.

having said that, I did spend a bit of time wavering between the lip and big spoiler for my VF Redline and chose the big spoiler to make it more sporty.

SS-V/Redline deserved some differentiation, it needs the blacked out tail lights ala. VE SS-V. It just looks so plain from the rear end.

[CLUBRED]

Just thought I'd mention. Played with a few VF / gen-F's yesterday, I was surprised that I could comfortably drive the cars with sunroofs - I couldn't do that with VE as I was always head butting the roof lining, not sure if different/lower seats or the sunroof is a different design (the lining from about mid way back did look slightly different).

[benjo]

With the VE I think all colours looked good, with the VF there are certain colours that make the car look stink others look great its weird.

[dgp]

With the VE I think all colours looked good, with the VF there are certain colours that make the car look stink others look great its weird.

Which colours do you think make it look bad? Is there a difference between the sedan and wagon in your opinion with colours making them look good/bad?

[Wes Mantooth]

When I was looking, I always intended to get a black one but the other day I saw a Regal Peacock SV6 ute and it looks so much better in person than on the website or brochures.

[benjo]

Which colours do you think make it look bad? Is there a difference between the sedan and wagon in your opinion with colours making them look good/bad?

Its hard to put a finger on it... the Ute's and Wagons mainly, the darker colours seem to hide the disjointment that I see from the A pillar back, but I like the white on black but only from certain angles, I just cant nail it down as I said its weird, I have not seen one VF that I like from all angles unlike the VE everything looked good but that's just me

[Goggles]

Just thought I'd mention. Played with a few VF / gen-F's yesterday, I was surprised that I could comfortably drive the
cars with sunroofs - I couldn't do that with VE as I was always head butting the roof lining, not sure if different/lower seats or the
sunroof is a different design (the lining from about mid way back did look slightly different).

I found that my head didn't touch the roof of a VF SSV Redline when I was buying mine. A pleasant surprise given I am 6'5".

[Marco]

Its hard to put a finger on it... the Ute's and Wagons mainly, the darker colours seem to hide the disjointment that I see from the A pillar back, but I like the white on black but only from certain angles, I just cant nail it down as I said its weird, I have not seen one VF that I like from all angles unlike the VE everything looked good but that's just me

I'm the same, liking the VF in darker colours mainly because it does a better job of hiding the mess that exists around the base of the A pillar where several lines meet and others fade out. In lighter colours my eye is drawn to that area...but then, I'm fussy about styling.

[Wonky]

VF SS (2300 blown) runs 10.37 @ 134.9mph!! http://performancedrive.com.au/video-fastest-holden-vf-commodore-world-runs-10-37sec/

[whitels1ss]

VF SS (2300 blown) runs 10.37 @ 134.9mph!! http://performancedrive.com.au/video-fastest-holden-vf-commodore-world-runs-10-37sec/

Wow. That's quick!:goodjob:

[DanielSS-V]

VF has a new seat frame sourced from the GM parts bin. They sit lower in the car.

[jaykay]

VF has a new seat frame sourced from the GM parts bin. They sit lower in the car.

Yeah and mine has been ****ed since week 2 !!!

[Crusty]

Yeah and mine has been ****ed since week 2 !!!

I hear you there

[CLUBRED]

Nipping at the heels still....

October VFacts top 10:

Toyota Corolla (3861),
Mazda3 (3613),
Holden Commodore (3315),
Toyota Hilux (3172),
Hyundai i30 (2379),
Toyota Camry (2251),
Ford Ranger (2027),
Nissan Navara (1969),
Volkswagen Golf (1967)
Holden Cruze (1923).

[korrupt]

Tricked up Chevy SS at the SEMA show - click me (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/05/chevrolet-ss-jeff-gordon-concept-sema-2013/)

[CLUBRED]

Tricked up Chevy SS at the SEMA show - click me (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/05/chevrolet-ss-jeff-gordon-concept-sema-2013/)

:drool:

............

[GTS LSA]

^ yep... Not bad at all

[Vulture]

It's got HSV wheels on it.

[Drizt]

Not bad at all.

I'm a bit suspect about matt finishes though

2735

[Stevieboy34]

Not bad at all.

I'm a bit suspect about matt finishes though

2735

You reckon you could get that grille out here? Who is the builder?

[Ghosn]

Is it just me or are those headlights darker than normal?

[korrupt]

Is it just me or are those headlights darker than normal?

Looks like it. VF doesn't get the orange indicators in there either, I don't think.

[Woodchukka]

Nipping at the heels still....

October VFacts top 10:

Toyota Corolla (3861),
Mazda3 (3613),
Holden Commodore (3315),
Toyota Hilux (3172),
Hyundai i30 (2379),
Toyota Camry (2251),
Ford Ranger (2027),
Nissan Navara (1969),
Volkswagen Golf (1967)
Holden Cruze (1923).
Well done when you consider the competition is becoming a more favored class.

[offshore]

Well done when you consider the competition is becoming a more favored class.

That Dowling bloke keeps baging the commodore but if they keep building the V8 to the standard of the redline and improve on it then there is a massive future here. Not every wants boring Camrys. And even people that dont want a V8 im sure they are happy to see a few these around the place.

[CLUBRED]

Well done when you consider the competition is becoming a more favored class.

And at least 2 Australian built cars in the top 10, not sure of the make up of Camrys.

[jaykay]

Turbo VF SSV melting tyres on dyno.....


http://youtu.be/PUoKZSpaLgU

[BigAnt]

Another Redline review -

http://youtu.be/_LHX0hOvJrY

[Goggles]

Another Redline review -

http://youtu.be/_LHX0hOvJrY

seriously!!!!!!

love the Port Adelaide reference. yes I grew up in Adelaide, so I get it.

[super coach]

Went for a drive out to holdens last week and saw a new colour hiding in the background which looked like Hothouse Green, well here it is and its called Jungle Fever. I like it, would look good parked next to the Hothouse Green Monaro, even the name sounds cool and retro, wish I had know about this colour coiner rather then later…………


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l225/supercoach24/740042_208446172671832_1247838898_o.jpg (http://s97.photobucket.com/user/supercoach24/media/740042_208446172671832_1247838898_o.jpg.html)

[Wes Mantooth]

That colour doesn't even show up as an available option on the Holden website. Sure it's not just a one-off dealer special?

[Tezza_VESSV]

^^ Nice! Would look better with the side vents in black I think?

[super coach]

its just been released by Holden so wouldn't be on the website just yet, there was also a few Cruze with this colour as well and a ute

agree black vents, black stripes, black boot lip spoiler. would look very good

[Goggles]

its just been released by Holden so wouldn't be on the website just yet, there was also a few Cruze with this colour as well and a ute

agree black vents, black stripes, black boot lip spoiler. would look very good

Wonder which colour this will replace?

[dgp]

It will no doubt be a test colour for the series II.

[BigAnt]

Not to my taste personally. Would like to see it in the flesh though. Would like to see a new colour similar to alto grey.

[Vfzarb]

I actually did a double take yesterday as i saw a VF SV6 in that new green colour pass me. (western suburbs melb). Its not a bad looking colour our on the road. defiantly caught my attention.

[CLUBRED]

October VFacts top 10:

Toyota Corolla (3861),
Mazda3 (3613),
Holden Commodore (3315),
Toyota Hilux (3172),
Hyundai i30 (2379),
Toyota Camry (2251),
Ford Ranger (2027),
Nissan Navara (1969),
Volkswagen Golf (1967)
Holden Cruze (1923).

November figures:

Toyota Corolla (3894),
Mazda3 (3666),
Toyota Hilux (3368),
Hyundai i30 (3157),
Holden Commodore (3097),
Toyota Camry (2375),
Volkswagen Golf (2069),
Ford Ranger (2014),
Holden Cruze (1846),
Mitsubishi Triton (1703).

[Deco28]

Ouch Cruze.

[CLUBRED]

Got to wonder what the Caprice sale are like, seems I see more new VF Caprices than Calais V's on the road.

[VH-COM]

Got to wonder what the Caprice sale are like, seems I see more new VF Caprices than Calais V's on the road.

November 2013 ---- Holden Caprice 160 – (51.8% of upper large under 100k)

[VH-COM]

Other Holden sales numbers...
Ute - 655
Caprice PPV - 248

[CLUBRED]

50,000th VF has rolled off the line in 10 months. Personally I don't see it that bad of an effort.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/technology/holden-builds-50000th-vf-commodore-in-its-first-10-months-of-production/story-fnjwq0cm-1226867863821