Walkinshaw Performance - The W375 Package

[Krizto]

Just came across this on the Walkinshaw Performance page, do we know anything more about what they're doing to get 375kw N/A?

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.566607590042782.1073741833.182631821773696&type=1

The W375 package
As the name suggests, the W375 package offers Gen F owners a stonking 375kW of power and 676Nm of torque.

The W375 package offers a new level of performance and drivability for the already high performance HSV LS3 range, and yet again backed by WP’s legendary driveline warranty that gives you complete peace of mind for the life of the standard manufacturer warranty.

[Krizto]

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[Krizto]

Amazing what you find when you look ....

After launching the hugely successful W310 package for the Holden VF SS Commodore, Australia’s leading performance house Walkinshaw Performance is proud to announce the second product package in the 2013 W Series .

Today we are launching an all new naturally aspirated performance package for Gen-F HSV vehicles with The W375.

As the name suggests, the W375 package offers Gen F owners a stonking 375kW of power and 676Nm of torque.

The W375 package offers a new level of performance and drivability for the already high performance HSV LS3 range, and yet again backed by WP’s legendary driveline warranty that gives you complete peace of mind for the life of the standard manufacturer warranty.

Walkinshaw Performance General Manager Tony Harris: “Our sister company HSV have delivered an incredible vehicle straight out of the box. But for those who want more, our W375 package offers the best naturally aspirated drivability result imaginable. This package puts you in serious European sports car power territory while costing a fraction of the European price. We think the W375 represents terrific value.”

Included in the W375 package*:
• Walkinshaw Performance Ceramic Coated Headers, matched with;
• High Flow Catalytic Converters.
• Unique Walkinshaw Performance Stainless Steel Cat Back Exhaust System. (Featuring added growl!)
• Walkinshaw Performance OTR Cold Air Intake.
• Custom ECU recalibration developed on Walkinshaw Performance’s dynamometer.
• W375 Build Plate and Rear Deck Lid Badging.
• Walkinshaw Performance Driveline Warranty.

With a recommended RRP of $6,495 the new W375 package offers phenomenal value for money on the already awesome HSV Gen F Clubsport, R8, Maloo and Tourer.

*Please note the wrap featured on this vehicle is not included in the price. Wrap information and options are available on demand.

[jaykay]

I wonder if that is from the 317, 325 or 340 factory model ?

[Drizt]

Pretty cool given you don't void your warranty

[Ghosn]

I wonder if that is from the 317, 325 or 340 factory model ?

Makes no difference, the result will be the same.

[jaykay]

Makes no difference, the result will be the same.

It would make a difference to me.......paying those $$$$$ I would want 317 to 375.. 340 to 375 wouldn't cut it

[Ghosn]

With a recommended RRP of $6,495 the new W375 package offers phenomenal value for money on the already awesome HSV Gen F Clubsport, R8, Maloo and Tourer.

Seems like a bit of a rip off. I got the same result if not better for less than 3 grand ...

How many fwkw does 297rwkw make, anyone??

[Ghosn]

It would make a difference to me.......paying those $$$$$ I would want 317 to 375.. 340 to 375 wouldn't cut it

You misinterpreted what I said. It makes no difference if you start with 317, 325, 340. The result will be the same.

[Drizt]

Seems like a bit of a rip off. I got the same result if not better for less than 3 grand ...

How many fwkw does 297rwkw make, anyone??

Do you get full driveline warranty with yours?

[Wonky]

Seems like a bit of a rip off. I got the same result if not better for less than 3 grand ...

How many fwkw does 297rwkw make, anyone??

Depends if A6 or M6 but it can be argued that add around 25% to get a fwkw figure, so 297rwkw = around 370fwkw give or take.

I do tend to agree with you that WP stuff is quite expensive for what you actually get (typically rebranded gear at a premium price). Sounds like they're at least now doing custom dyno tuning there because I had it on very good authority that their VE tunes were ultra safe basically mail order tunes plonked into every car, no customisation at all.

I'm also with JK that I wouldn't want to pay $6.5k on a Gen F SV R8 to only gain 35fwkw i.e. less than 30rwkw! On a 317kw Gen F maybe it would be OK.

I wonder if you have a model with the bimodal exhaust whether the replacement exhaust is also a bimodal because to me that's one of the selling points of a VE E2/E3 GTS or Gen F SV with a road legal bimodal exhaust which passed noise regs but which still roars at the right rpm. No good putting for example a bimodal exhaust on a car which didn't come from the factory with it eg a normal VE or VF because it's still technically illegal. Similarly, from the opposite point of view I wouldn't want to go from a legal bimodal system to a non bimodal which would have to be (IMHO) either illegal or too quiet............

[Wonky]

Do you get full driveline warranty with yours?

I suspect there are quite restrictive conditions on the warranty??? :confused:

[itsme4g63]

Thats really a great package price, basically stock ls7 performance. But for around 8k usd shipped, I can have a whole brand new oem bolt-in lsa kit installed. Alas, no warantee.

[white lie]

Seems like a bit of a rip off. I got the same result if not better for less than 3 grand ...


Full stainless exhaust, OTR and tune for 3K? Other than X-Force, where do I find such a deal?


You misinterpreted what I said. It makes no difference if you start with 317, 325, 340. The result will be the same.

Yes, the result will be the same, but if you're paying 6500 for a 35kW gain, it doesn't seem like very good value for money does it? Compared to the guy that got 60kW for the same price!

[jaykay]

Full stainless exhaust, OTR and tune for 3K? Other than X-Force, where do I find such a deal?

Ghosn's was for catback Diflippo 2.5", OTR and tune only....

[Ghosn]

Yes, the result will be the same, but if you're paying 6500 for a 35kW gain, it doesn't seem like very good value for money does it? Compared to the guy that got 60kW for the same price!

I made no mention about value for money with that specific answer, you don't need to tell me.

[Vulture]

It is good value if you start with the 317 or 325 models. I think if you were planning on doing this you'd grab a non SV Clubsport rather than the SV. No point paying for the better intake and bimodal exhaust if you're going to rip it out.

[Plenty]

It is good value if you start with the 317 or 325 models. I think if you were planning on doing this you'd grab a non SV Clubsport rather than the SV. No point paying for the better intake and bimodal exhaust if you're going to rip it out.

Exactly right mate, apart from a few cosmetic differences there is only extra power to be had with the SV-Enhanced model. Stick to the "standard" R8 and it'll cost you the same money but with a better power result.

[Vulture]

Stick to the "standard" R8 and it'll cost you the same money but with a better power result.

Definitely makes for a performance bargain really. A standard 317 Clubby - which has much better brakes, shorter diff ratio and better suspension than an SS. Add this package and it would be a cracker. The SV for those who want the bimodal, a tune would still liberate a few extra herbs.

[Plenty]

Definitely makes for a performance bargain really. A standard 317 Clubby - which has much better brakes, shorter diff ratio and better suspension than an SS. Add this package and it would be a cracker. The SV for those who want the bimodal, a tune would still liberate a few extra herbs.

For me the Standard Clubby is just that, standard, it misses out on too many of the luxirues. For me the Clubsport R8 is the one, add in some aftermarket breathing apparatus and a tune and it's a great liitle package.

[jaykay]

I read that Walkinshaw performance no longer use HM's exhaust systems and rebadge them as WP.....I believe they now use DiFlippo systems however they do not make bimodal mufflers so what do WP use for bimodal replacements ?

Maybe XForce Varex mufflers ? :hmmm: be interested to hear from someone in the know !!!

[Tre-Cool]

difilipo and wp products hand in hand? who takes the bigger slice of the pie in the marked up pricing there then. haha

[Solone]

For that price, it would be cam, otr, full exhaust and tune anywhere else.. Also more than a feeble 375kw

[LuisS]

I read that Walkinshaw performance no longer use HM's exhaust systems and rebadge them as WP.....I believe they now use DiFlippo systems however they do not make bimodal mufflers so what do WP use for bimodal replacements ?

Maybe XForce Varex mufflers ? :hmmm: be interested to hear from someone in the know !!!

Simple John , they don't offer a bimodal option anymore.
And I had the pleasure of hearing one of the new 3" WP exhausts, awesome if you like loud

[Wonky]

I don't know what others think but to me in this age where everyone (politicians, police, even the general public) seems to be coming out harder and harder against stuff like loud exhausts, throwing away your bimodal system for one more likely to get you pinged seems a backward step to me. Admittedly I suspect something like HM's 3" bimodal wouldn't pass an EPA sound check but at least it gives you the option of keeping it quiet enough not to attract attention to yourself in the first place when driving near a police car. Much and all as I absolutely love my KPM 3" system, if I ever get another V8 I'd almost certainly go HM bimodal (or similar).

[macca_779]

I don't know what others think but to me in this age where everyone (politicians, police, even the general public) seems to be coming out harder and harder against stuff like loud exhausts, throwing away your bimodal system for one more likely to get you pinged seems a backward step to me. Admittedly I suspect something like HM's 3" bimodal wouldn't pass an EPA sound check but at least it gives you the option of keeping it quiet enough not to attract attention to yourself in the first place when driving near a police car. Much and all as I absolutely love my KPM 3" system, if I ever get another V8 I'd almost certainly go HM bimodal (or similar).

I think Luis did some testing on a HM bi model system and got it to pass. Can't recall the details though

[QIKMIK]

Got to agree with you there, Wonks. I've heard the KPM system on a Maloo and been in a mate's car with a full 3" Di Filippo system on a blown 6 litre. Both are loud and sound great. The 2.5" HM Bimodal on my Senator is great when you put the boot in but on the highway, nothing beats the quiet cruising. It was a good part of the old Walkinshaw package.

When APS did mine, they set it up like the factory system. I have no control over opening rpm, throttle, etc and it opens around 4000rpm like the HSV ones.

Mick

[jaykay]

Simple John , they don't offer a bimodal option anymore.
And I had the pleasure of hearing one of the new 3" WP exhausts, awesome if you like loud

So does anyone make the aftermarket bimodal system now ?

[LuisS]

So does anyone make the aftermarket bimodal system now ?

Yes John , a whole lot of new stuff about to be released very soon

in the meantime , http://www.hmheaders.com.au/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=8&cat=Bi-Modal+Systems .....still availabe :)

[Vulture]

I wonder if Walkinshaw are developing a GTS W500 package?

[Y.B.SHY]

I wonder if Walkinshaw are developing a GTS W500 package?

My sources at lingenfelter have suggested there will be a W500 package available for the GTS next month. Seems Walkinshaw are intending to rebrand some of Lingenfelter's hardware namely the supercharger snout and pully assembly.

[brasher]

My sources at lingenfelter have suggested there will be a W500 package available for the GTS next month. Seems Walkinshaw are intending to rebrand some of Lingenfelter's hardware namely the supercharger snout and pully assembly.

Harrop got that gig covered.

http://www.harrop.com.au/pdf/pressreleases/130918_LPE_Harrop_Press_Release.pdf

[Angeldust]

will these 'packages' de-value the original W427?

sounds like they will to me

[jaykay]

will these 'packages' de-value the original W427?

sounds like they will to me

As Pauline Hanson said many times "Please Explain"

[macca_779]

will these 'packages' de-value the original W427?

sounds like they will to me

I doubt it. It's a niche market for anyone that wants a W427

[kayman]

I think Luis did some testing on a HM bi model system and got it to pass. Can't recall the details though

Yeah I think that was the twin 2.5 inch though.

[W427GOT1]

will these 'packages' de-value the original W427?

sounds like they will to me

in the short term yes...
but rememeber the W427 was a limited build and the first car aussie car to 'crack' the 500hp off the show room floor
and yes price is all in who whats to buy it.
only a W427 can take replace a W427
its the bench mark and always refered to when a car is above the 500hp range (eg this thread)

[Vulture]

Looks like they have released the higher end packages W497...LINK (http://www.caradvice.com.au/255720/walkinshaw-w497-955nm-tuned-hsv-unleashed/)

[team illucid]

in the short term yes...
but rememeber the W427 was a limited build and the first car aussie car to 'crack' the 500hp off the show room floor
and yes price is all in who whats to buy it.
only a W427 can take replace a W427
its the bench mark and always refered to when a car is above the 500hp range (eg this thread)

I would take a base W427 over ANY hyped up modern Walkinshaw product at every opportunity.

[Brett240]

I would take a base W427 over ANY hyped up modern Walkinshaw product at every opportunity.

after owning a Gen-F i could never go back to VE, even the W427. I think a lot of people would think this, the new VF interior is too good to ingore. On the plus side i think a lot of people will think the same so if your in the market for a W427 the only way is steeply down for their resale.

[offshore]

after owning a Gen-F i could never go back to VE, even the W427. I think a lot of people would think this, the new VF interior is too good to ingore. On the plus side i think a lot of people will think the same so if your in the market for a W427 the only way is steeply down for their resale.hasnt been in one

I agree mate any one that hasnt been in the new VF has no idea what an old place the VE is compared to the VF

[team illucid]

the new VF interior is too good to ingore.

You are assuming of course that I am stuck in my "old VE" having never experienced the joys of some interior wonderland. I stepped out of an Audi with buttons/lights/knobs/ for everything and the kitchen sink to get into the Senator - so trust me, I am no longer impressed by any kind of interior "feature set".

When I get in my 77 LX Torana hatchback, I don't think about how primitive the interior is, or that it doesn't have (insert wank gadget name).

Or maybe I can't afford a VF though, so I must be jealous instead of having my own opinion based on what I find tasteful or not?

[Angeldust]

when i 1st sat in a VF and then went back to my VZ, yeah i thought that it too was just way to plain etc etc..

now several weeks on, i ain't missing anything and still love the ol' VZ interior.

^^ love the old 70's interior styling, and i love torrie's.

[Brett240]

You are assuming of course that I am stuck in my "old VE" having never experienced the joys of some interior wonderland. I stepped out of an Audi with buttons/lights/knobs/ for everything and the kitchen sink to get into the Senator - so trust me, I am no longer impressed by any kind of interior "feature set".

When I get in my 77 LX Torana hatchback, I don't think about how primitive the interior is, or that it doesn't have (insert wank gadget name).

Or maybe I can't afford a VF though, so I must be jealous instead of having my own opinion based on what I find tasteful or not?

no need to take it personally buddy. i would think though if you can afford a W427 you can afford a Gen-F or a W375. If we all had the same opinion it would be a pretty boring forum.

[jaykay]

W497 road test.....

http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2013/sports/holden-special-vehicles/clubsport/walkinshaw-w497-2013-road-test-39642?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer2ae22&utm_medium=facebook

[WIKED]

I would take a base W427 over ANY hyped up modern Walkinshaw product at every opportunity.

As you know so would I. I wouldn't care if the VF had 700HP as it has the ugliest backside I have ever seen

[Plenty]

As you know so would I. I wouldn't care if the VF had 700HP as it has the ugliest backside I have ever seen

You don't sit behind your own car though huh! VF interior shits all over the VE IMO and that's where i spend the time driving. GenF for me over the :spew: (read;vommit) interior of the W427.

Of course it's only my opinion.....

[team illucid]

You don't sit behind your own car though huh! VF interior shits all over the VE IMO and that's where i spend the time driving. GenF for me over the :spew: (read;vommit) interior of the W427.

Of course it's only my opinion.....


Just because you don't see it doesn't mean you don't know that it is there.

[team illucid]

no need to take it personally buddy. i would think though if you can afford a W427 you can afford a Gen-F or a W375. If we all had the same opinion it would be a pretty boring forum.



No, not taking it personally. Just takes a lot more to impress me than a new dash layout. Of course, varying opinions are the requirement of any forum, lest they become stale and boring.

[Plenty]

Just takes a lot more to impress me than a new dash layout.

So the fact that it is safer, is more fuel efficient, handles better and on top of that has the better interior and "gadgets" is just a moot point? Apart from the more aggressive exterior which i prefer over the VF what is it that makes the VE a better car than the VF? Just curious that's all.

[blackvussii]

I don't think he's saying it's a better car than a vf but it holds more appeal to some people. What makes a good classic car valuable and desirable is low volume and usually a engine that really separates it from similar models. The W427 might have been too expensive at the time but the the engine was massive step up from the ls3 and they only made 150 or so. The styling was pretty subtle but all the VE hsvs ended up looking the same and over 6 yrs there was a minimum change in power and heaps of sticker specials.

The vf/ gts is a great package but they are going to pump out hundreds of them. I have only ever seen a few W427s on the road, saw one at the airport last week and thought it had a great understated, classy look so I can understand why someone would take one over the new gts.

[Plenty]

I don't think he's saying it's a better car than a vf but it holds more appeal to some people. What makes a good classic car valuable and desirable is low volume and usually a engine that really separates it from similar models. The W427 might have been too expensive at the time but the the engine was massive step up from the ls3 and they only made 150 or so. The styling was pretty subtle but all the VE hsvs ended up looking the same and over 6 yrs there was a minimum change in power and heaps of sticker specials.

The vf/ gts is a great package but they are going to pump out hundreds of them. I have only ever seen a few W427s on the road, saw one at the airport last week and thought it had a great understated, classy look so I can understand why someone would take one over the new gts.

Yep, totally agree with that. If it came down to the Gen F GTS of the W427 i'd be taking the Gen F still. I like my new shiny toys. :yup:

[Wonky]

I wouldn't care if the VF had 700HP as it has the ugliest backside I have ever seen

As with anything like that it comes down to personal taste. I absolutely love the rear of the Gen F HSVs with the four fat 4" pipes!

[team illucid]

So the fact that it is safer, is more fuel efficient, handles better and on top of that has the better interior and "gadgets" is just a moot point? Apart from the more aggressive exterior which i prefer over the VF what is it that makes the VE a better car than the VF? Just curious that's all.

I never said the VE was technically a better vehicle. I only commented that I don't like the VF arse end, enough to never buy one unless I step out of the Senator into a Grange (which has the same rear as the VE). The incremental safety/fuel/handling would be welcome.

[Number55]

The new rear of the VF looks fantastic in person. The HSV, as wonky said, looks awesome. Far more aggressive than the photos show. Have u had a good look around one in person?

[offshore]

They look much better in person especially the ones with 275 tyres. Photos make them seem taller its a bit the same with BMW they tend to look a bit crap in photos to

[team illucid]

The new rear of the VF looks fantastic in person. The HSV, as wonky said, looks awesome. Far more aggressive than the photos show. Have u had a good look around one in person?


Of course I have looked at them, i haven't driven one (no test drives at the time) but I really have no interest in buying a VF. I do like the front, though they should have changed the vent in the guards for the HSV to be a bit more exclusive.

[offshore]

I hope Holden builds them after the VF because they are really close now to German quality. I know there is a pretty big step up though to feel that solid bank vault feel of some german cars and the interior is still not as good as say Audi. But bloody hell I was looking at the Audi site last night and check out the cost of these cars this is for an S6 possibly equivalent to a commodore just about. 180K so I reckon making 50k or so for the top line commodores a total bargain and the best large 4 door cars in the world for the price.

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[team illucid]

I won't buy another German car until we are living in Germany. Done it several times now, over it completely. As much as it pains me to say it, I think Australia makes better cars for our conditions than what we do.

[offshore]

I won't buy another German car until we are living in Germany. Done it several times now, over it completely. As much as it pains me to say it, I think Australia makes better cars for our conditions than what we do.

Well said mate I Like the German cars especially the S class mercs and a really good 2nd hand car to get now is a 2004 S500 a bloody good car built strong and nice motor. If i could id get the S63! But we get ripped off in Australia and thats what makes the Commodore good value in comparison.