Supercharged HSV? - Part 4

[Angeldust]

and there you go,

just looking at the road cars (VX gts and the VF), a 1/2 sec approx of difference in 400m times equates to tens of seconds per lap..

the vf is not just a quarter mile queen, but a formidable track car.

There's a similar video with a V8SC, brocks A9X and a VZ SS..

[macca_779]

You do realise power is just torque and revs right

[mjrandom]

Erebus were quoted saying their engine was putting out 485kW (650 BHP) at 7,500 rpm and 616Nm. Don't forget either that both the VX and GenF are carrying a lot more weight, maybe 600kg in the case of the GenF GTS. I am really impressed.

[GTS LSA]

Comparing the Supercar vs GTS is chalk and cheese for a million reasons, some already mentioned and some not, at the end of the day its just for marketing and it looks fantastic on TV... For a big fat family car and thats not being negative, the GTS did a fantastic job, looked good and sounded good, but with Garth driving I would expect nothing less

[Maccas]

The other big difference is the man behind the wheel garrentee not many of us every day drivers could push it to that limit

[Jag530G]

You do realise power is just torque and revs right

Yes, Power = Torque x Revs. Race engines tend to have their torque peak at much higher revs, hence the high power.

Power (hp) = torque (lbf) x revs / 5250

LSA puts out 430Kw (580hp) at 6150 rpm, which means at 6150 rpm it is producing 580 x 5250 / 6150 = 495lbft = 670Nm, so the torque curve is falling away a little bit past peak torque at 3850 rpm torque peak of 740Nm.

V8 supercar, redline 7500 rpm and max power (assumed) 650hp,
if max power occurs at say 7000 rpm, then torque at 7,000 rpm is 487.5Lbft = 660Nm
if max power occurs at say 7500 rpm, then torque at 7,500 rpm is 455.0lbft = 616Nm

I'd love to see official figures but I can't see how an atmo 10.1 comp ratio race engine would not have peak power very close to the redline and the nature of an engine that would produce peak power at such revs, I can't imagine it having much more torque anywhere else in the rev range. hence my guess is that if a V8 Supercar engine is pushing out 650hp then peak torque is somewhere around 650Nm +/- a bit.

Sorry Macca, I'm not having a go at you or your knowledge about engine building but I struggle to think that an atmo 5.0L even in race tune could produce 740Nm.

Cheers, Matthew

[macca_779]

An LSA would put of considerable more torque if it wasn't strangled by a factory tune. You can get 650+ out of an ls1 N/A with well under 300rwkw

[XUV]

Awesome. Shows how the LSA powered car monsters a callaway ls1. Of course the V8 supercar is a completely different type of animal :)
with a supercharger bolted on, they should compare the VX GTS with either the VE GTS or a VF Clubsport,

then power to weight ratio would be closer.or strap on a blower to the VX GTS ;)

thou I must sat the VF GTS sat well on the track.

[Vulture]

with a supercharger bolted on, they should compare the VX GTS with either the VE GTS or a VF Clubsport.

Not sure I understand your reasoning. Why would they compare the old GTS with a new Clubsport? They are comparing the top cars from HSV from both eras.

[XUV]

Not sure I understand your reasoning. Why would they compare the old GTS with a new Clubsport? They are comparing the top cars from HSV from both eras.

Because it's not supercharged,

and if it was an era thing then they should have thrown in the NA VE GTS for a comparison, but that would have shown the VE GTS shortcomings .

[mjrandom]

They picked the VX because it was a nice gap of 10 years AND it was the most powerful locally built car at the time. Nice comparison.

[Angeldust]

i would think the VX GTS would have similar performance on track as a VE GTS, so that is definetely a big big step up in performance. ie/ the 1/4 times only tell half the story.

well done hsv. i want one lol..

[Conchi]

I heard that Actives Gen F GTS ran at the Plex and pulled 11.04@124mph.....tune, upgraded pulley and pacemaker headers on factory rubba

[Drizt]

I heard that Actives Gen F GTS ran at the Plex and pulled 11.04@124mph.....tune, upgraded pulley and pacemaker headers on factory rubba

Tune, pacies and pulley, what would the total cost of that be?

Pretty impressive time.

[jaykay]

Wouldn't think it would be a huge outlay for that sort of performance :goodjob:

[Vulture]

Assuming that's an auto?

[jaykay]

Assuming that's an auto?

:yup: :yup:

[sportwagon]

I heard that Actives Gen F GTS ran at the Plex and pulled 11.04@124mph.....tune, upgraded pulley and pacemaker headers on factory rubba

Any idea when this happened as i spoke to eddie late friday arvo and he said that it made 570rwhp but had not been to the track yet.

[CalaisBoy]

Any idea when this happened as i spoke to eddie late friday arvo and he said that it made 570rwhp but had not been to the track yet.

Wow, about 425rwkw? That's amazing with simple bolt-ons.

[jaykay]

Any idea when this happened as i spoke to eddie late friday arvo and he said that it made 570rwhp but had not been to the track yet.

Sunday......

[Pickles]

Not sure whether it's relevant to this thread, but I'd suggest that the HRT car would have at least 680HP.
Cheers, Pickles.

[jaykay]

Not sure whether it's relevant to this thread, but I'd suggest that the HRT car would have at least 680HP.
Cheers, Pickles.

Active Automotives GTS is pulling 570rwhp so is that around 700hp at the engine ??

Any idea what a supercar would do the 1/4 mile in ?

[white lie]

More like 750+

[duke5700]

10.2-10.5 last time I seen them at the drag strip.

No idea on the COTF, those times where pre COTF.


Active Automotives GTS is pulling 570rwhp so is that around 700hp at the engine ??

Any idea what a supercar would do the 1/4 mile in ?

[duke5700]

Not quite that high, 620-640hp pulls them up.



Not sure whether it's relevant to this thread, but I'd suggest that the HRT car would have at least 680HP.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Pickles]

Not quite that high, 620-640hp pulls them up.
Gotta disagree with that. I know some of the "slower" teams are 640+, I think you'll find that 670 is what some Teams are achieving, some may even have a little more.
Cheers, Pickles.

[duke5700]

Yeah I dunno Pickles, I know a guy (Not personally, my uncle moves drag cars/engines around for them and he builds my kart engines) who builds engines for a few teams and whilst he wouldn't give exact figures away he specifically said it was closer to 600 than 700. He also telling me about tolerances for the engines as far as HP and torque curves etc and what they have to be. He was telling my how much he has to defend the performance of the engines when a particular car may be down 5kp/h down Conrod and that pointing the finger at the driver for not getting a clean run out of Forrest Elbow was hurting him more than the engines performance... :lol:

[Conchi]

Any idea when this happened as i spoke to eddie late friday arvo and he said that it made 570rwhp but had not been to the track yet.

At a private drag day at the Plex on Sunday !!

[offshore]

10.2-10.5 last time I seen them at the drag strip.

No idea on the COTF, those times where pre COTF.

Thats bloody quick I would have though more like 11.2 to 11.5

[Conchi]

Thats bloody quick I would have though more like 11.2 to 11.5

x 2.............

[50SHADES]

At a private drag day at the Plex on Sunday !!

Was an ANDRA test and tune

[duke5700]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qls41yu6nvo

The only one I can find, it is 10.82, I can remember them going quicker. They don't exactly get out of the hole real quick, 60ft like me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qls41yu6nvo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qls41yu6nvo)

Embedded for you

[XUV]

I thought they were all around the high 10's low 11's, even the Brock era VC/K's.

[offshore]

I thought they were all around the high 10's low 11's, even the Brock era VC/K's.

Those rev limites seemed suspiciously like there werent there on that run that would explain the 10s 1/4 times lol Instead of 7500rpm maybe 8500

[macca_779]

Not quite that high, 620-640hp pulls them up.

680HP easily Luke. Got a mate who works for the team and with recent airbox revisions the power has improved

They were making 650HP pre aurora days after all

[duke5700]

Well there you go, maybe this guy runs a NJCLSX style engine dyno :lol:


680HP easily Luke. Got a mate who works for the team and with recent airbox revisions the power has improved

They were making 650HP pre aurora days after all

[Ratsmow]

Gotta agre w ith ya duke about getting off the corner having been involved in karting myself. If you don't get it right it can make a good engine look bad at the end of the chute, and vice versa. Same principles for any form of circuit racing. This is one of the hardest things to teach a kid when trying to find speed, they say my motors no good and you say get the corner right and the speed will come.

[Vulture]

Those rev limites seemed suspiciously like there werent there on that run that would explain the 10s 1/4 times lol Instead of 7500rpm maybe 8500

You could well be right there. Apparently those engines are happy well over 7500 for prolonged periods. Aren't the NASCAR engines happy above 9000 for a whole race? The only reason we are not making 800hp in the Supercars is due to the rpm limit (as I understand it).

[mjrandom]

Driving to work this morning I took note of the cars around me that were around the same sort of cost as the GTS and a few a bit higher. Couple of higher specc'd E class and S class Mercedes. BMWs etc. Some Rangies, Sports and HSE Discos. Even a 200 series Sahara. And you know what? I decided that of all I looked at there was no place I would prefer to be. Even for nearly double the money. Well done HSV.

I experimented a little with torque vectoring over the weekend. Very interesting. I have driven and bogged my fair share of tractors and years ago at uni had access to an off road buggy with turning brakes. While the vectoring is nothing like that severe or abrupt it is still noticeable. To be honest it feels like the steering has ramped up several levels and you get more steering for the same input without the understeer that usually comes with turning in hard. I can see some drivers steering hard then rolling off the lock as the car turns on the inside rear and rotates more quickly than expected. I really think it is going to take a lot of practice and a big leap of faith to use it at full noise on the track. Especially if you go in on trailing throttle.

[GTSLOVER]

For the same price as the New GTS you can import a ZL1 camaro and convert it to RHD. I am not talking about buying one from a conversion shop that they have imported and placed their markup on. You can import your own through them under the RAWs legislation and simply pay them to convert to RHD and have compliance and certification done ready for rego.

I know which one would turn more heads and which would hold its resale better in the short and long term. Not having a go at anyone, just the VF does nothing for me, both the Holden and the HSV look too soft. The Camaro on the other hand still has the muscle car mean look in my opinion.

My biggest dilemma is figuring out which way to go, I need a Chevrolet Silverado or Dodge Ram but want a Camaro or Challenger as well but can only pick one. Decisions decisions. Pretty good decision to have to make though. Lol. Just my 2 cents anyway.

[macca_779]

For the same price as the New GTS you can import a ZL1 camaro and convert it to RHD. I am not talking about buying one from a conversion shop that they have imported and placed their markup on. You can import your own through them under the RAWs legislation and simply pay them to convert to RHD and have compliance and certification done ready for rego.

I know which one would turn more heads and which would hold its resale better in the short and long term. Not having a go at anyone, just the VF does nothing for me, both the Holden and the HSV look too soft. The Camaro on the other hand still has the muscle car mean look in my opinion.

My biggest dilemma is figuring out which way to go, I need a Chevrolet Silverado or Dodge Ram but want a Camaro or Challenger as well but can only pick one. Decisions decisions. Pretty good decision to have to make though. Lol. Just my 2 cents anyway.

Lol your dreaming if you reckon you can get a ZL1 here, pay taxes and convert it for $100k. If it were that cheap, I would of brought a CTS-V years ago

[mattnsw]

Driving to work this morning I took note of the cars around me that were around the same sort of cost as the GTS and a few a bit higher. Couple of higher specc'd E class and S class Mercedes. BMWs etc. Some Rangies, Sports and HSE Discos. Even a 200 series Sahara. And you know what? I decided that of all I looked at there was no place I would prefer to be. Even for nearly double the money. Well done HSV.


I can understand you saying that as a proud owner but outside of the power/performance, the GTS is not even close to the league of some of those vehicles.
Next you'll be saying if you spend 30 grand on mods the GTS will match their high end tech and gadgetry.
The GTS has the common everyday luxury items expected of many Jap and cheap Euros and little of the serious high end stuff.
Do a bit more research on what some of these cars have hidden in them and then you'll understand why high end buyers will still bypass the GTS regardless of how quick it is.

[team illucid]

For the same price as the New GTS you can import a ZL1 camaro and convert it to RHD.

I thought you no longer have to convert to RHD for safety reasons?.

So many American cars and mobile homes I have seen in the last few years are still LHD and no longer appear to even display the caution LHD sign they used to.

[Pickles]

For the same price as the New GTS you can import a ZL1 camaro and convert it to RHD. I am not talking about buying one from a conversion shop that they have imported and placed their markup on. You can import your own through them under the RAWs legislation and simply pay them to convert to RHD and have compliance and certification done ready for rego.

I know which one would turn more heads and which would hold its resale better in the short and long term. Not having a go at anyone, just the VF does nothing for me, both the Holden and the HSV look too soft. The Camaro on the other hand still has the muscle car mean look in my opinion.

My biggest dilemma is figuring out which way to go, I need a Chevrolet Silverado or Dodge Ram but want a Camaro or Challenger as well but can only pick one. Decisions decisions. Pretty good decision to have to make though. Lol. Just my 2 cents anyway.
Have you driven a Camaro? Just asking, because IMHO, the driving position is absolute rubbish, nowhere near as driver friendly as the GTS. Very high dash & low roof, like looking through a "tank Driver's" slit, is how I've heard it described, and I agree. And geez, our VZ GTO was a bit awkward to access the rear seats, but nothing compared to the Camaro, where ya've gotta be virtually a Contortionist to get in & out.
Nothing wrong with the drivetrain of course, however I believe the GTS would be a better car to drive, & would certainly be quicker & more driveable around any twisty bits.
Cheers, Pickles.

[mjrandom]

I can understand you saying that as a proud owner but outside of the power/performance, the GTS is not even close to the league of some of those vehicles.
Next you'll be saying if you spend 30 grand on mods the GTS will match their high end tech and gadgetry.
The GTS has the common everyday luxury items expected of many Jap and cheap Euros and little of the serious high end stuff.
Do a bit more research on what some of these cars have hidden in them and then you'll understand why high end buyers will still bypass the GTS regardless of how quick it is.

You have completely missed the point of my post. For what the GTS is I prefer that to any of the other 'things' I could have bought with the same money. I weigh up what I get with the GTS which includes how it drives, the tech, the performance etc and against my criteria none of the other things comes close. Since there are few GTS demos and I don't recall you on the list for a GTS have you been in any of the new GenF HSVs? Not interested in getting into a debate since it is my money and my choice but I think you should really take the time to suss out the new machines. For the record when I replaced my 4wd earlier this year a Rangie Sport was on the list of options. It didn't cut it. I want to use my 4wd as a 4wd and not be concerned about bush pin striping or getting sand inside or any of the other things that would bother me with a Rangie. I also spent a big chunk of last year testing M3s and C63s and deciding to wait for the GTS. I am glad I did. Perhaps go for a drive in an M3 with 4 big people on board and then find someone to do the same for you in a GTS. Then you might understand where I am coming from.

As for turning heads I am over that and I know I am in the minority but the Camaro doesn't do much for me other than being the donor of some nice bits.

[CalaisBoy]

Perhaps go for a drive in an M3 with 4 big people on board and then find someone to do the same for you in a GTS. Then you might understand where I am coming

Mate, I absolutely agree with this. I do lots of long distance driving. After having had a range of European cars in our family I can absolutely say they did not come close in terms of long distance comfort for big blokes and/or families. This is even more true if you get off the main motorways.

[Jag530G]

I thought you no longer have to convert to RHD for safety reasons?.

So many American cars and mobile homes I have seen in the last few years are still LHD and no longer appear to even display the caution LHD sign they used to.

You can still convert to RHD but rules have been freed up regarding driving LHD cars in Australia, I saw an LHD '57 Chev a few months ago on the road. Performax is a company up here that does importation and RHD conversions for Corvettes, Camaros, Silverados etc.

I'd dealy love to see the rules be freed up even further such that we can buy LHD cars new just like in the UK where you can buy Corvettes and Camaros new LHD from a GM dealer. You pay higher insurance in the UK for an LHD car but you can drive and register it new and it opens up a whole new range of cars that manufacturers deem unviable to build in RHD.

Cheers, Matthew

[Ratsmow]

Gotta run with pickles, I drove a camaro in Hawaii a few months back and out of the three cars I drove over there it was the most disappointing but the one I was looking forward to driving the most. My cv8z would run rings around it. Driving position , handling ,comfort, and the poor kids in the back seat, they would have showed up Consantino getting in there.

[Vulture]

the GTS is not even close to the league of some of those vehicles.
Next you'll be saying if you spend 30 grand on mods the GTS will match their high end tech and gadgetry.
The GTS has the common everyday luxury items expected of many Jap and cheap Euros and little of the serious high end stuff.
Do a bit more research on what some of these cars have hidden in them and then you'll understand why high end buyers will still bypass the GTS regardless of how quick it is.

I'm confident HSV is not aiming to get the very high end buyers with the GTS. I'd say they are aiming precisely at guys like myself and mjrandom. People who are in their 40s-50s, could spend a little more than $100k but are a bit reluctant and who value the performance-value equation highly. People who don't give a rat's about the biased souls who wouldn't consider an HSV regardless of how good it is. There's something very honest about the GTS. It's not at all pretentious. Guys pull up beside me to have a chat, I know if I was in a Porsche the attitude would be "wanker" - sad that this is the case but such is life. My GTS would absolutely tear my neighbour's Audi to shreds on a circuit but he still thinks the HSV is only quick in a straight line. I might consider the next gen C63, especially if they put that turbo 5.5 in it, but I will be paying at least $70k more for the privilege and not sure I want to stretch that far.

I'm genuinely interested in what high end gadgetry and hidden tech a BMW or Merc of the same price has in them that the GTS doesn't.
OK, the HSVs don't have AWD or DSG gearboxes, nor do they have the engine tech to the point of making big power with low fuel consumption as in, say, the E63 AMG S, but nor can you buy one of those for $100K...
I get the impression that mjrandom could have afforded to step up higher in price point but chose not to. I'm getting a little CLA 45 AMG in December and could have (theoretically) got one $190k car instead of that and the GTS but thought I'd have more fun with the two cheaper cars. The only $190k (or thereabouts) cars that appeal to me would be perhaps a GTR (far too harsh and small inside but what a cracker!), Porsche Cayman S, C63 AMG, or maybe a second hand 911 S. The CLA is similar in price to a GTS give or take. It's smaller, higher technology in terms of engine and gearbox but certainly doesn't have anything the GTS doesn't in terms of gadgets. It doesn't even have adjustable damping or a HUD. The proportional AWD system is high tech as is the 7 speed DSG box and high pressure turbo engine (26psi!) and it's the most aerodynamic production car bar none at the moment. The GTS gets its performance with displacement and low pressure supercharging - but who really cares? I don't think anyone would deny at the high end the Germans have more developed technology - especially with their very efficient turbocharging, better overall build quality, but let's not fall into the Euro snob trap and under appreciate the HSVs.

[GTSLOVER]

You certainly can. You just need to stay away from performax and know the ins and outs of the import process. The trick is to to buy a car that is classed as second hand, ie have someone put the car in their name and then onsell it to you and you then dont pay luxury car tax on it. Luxury car tax is only charged on vehicles classified as new. All american imports converted that are classified as new have the LCT added to them due to including the conversion price in the cost of the vehicle. Most of the conversion places will try to sell you what they already have here. I dont think you would have got a CTS V here. Dont think anyone does Caddy conversions apart from the escalade down here.

It can be Done. You just need to be willing to buy through photos and second person inspections and be willing to wait for the vehicle to arrive and be converted. Trust me I know, I am already dealing with a conversion joint in Brisbane and have quotes and prices for all the vehicles I mentioned. A 2013 silverado loaded with all the good gear I get here landed and converted for 65k. That is a 1500 series not the 2500. I am willing to pay a bit more to get that than the povo pack top of the line crap they are selling here.

[GTSLOVER]

I thought you no longer have to convert to RHD for safety reasons?.

So many American cars and mobile homes I have seen in the last few years are still LHD and no longer appear to even display the caution LHD sign they used to.

Some states dont require you too but all the East coast ones do. If it is over about 25 years old there is no legal requirement to do it but anything newer needs to.

[Plenty]

For the same price as the New GTS you can import a ZL1 camaro and convert it to RHD. I am not talking about buying one from a conversion shop that they have imported and placed their markup on. You can import your own through them under the RAWs legislation and simply pay them to convert to RHD and have compliance and certification done ready for rego.

I know which one would turn more heads and which would hold its resale better in the short and long term. Not having a go at anyone, just the VF does nothing for me, both the Holden and the HSV look too soft. The Camaro on the other hand still has the muscle car mean look in my opinion.

My biggest dilemma is figuring out which way to go, I need a Chevrolet Silverado or Dodge Ram but want a Camaro or Challenger as well but can only pick one. Decisions decisions. Pretty good decision to have to make though. Lol. Just my 2 cents anyway.

Yeah and put 5 adults in it and see how you go! Compare apples with apples.

[GTSLOVER]

Have you driven a Camaro? Just asking, because IMHO, the driving position is absolute rubbish, nowhere near as driver friendly as the GTS. Very high dash & low roof, like looking through a "tank Driver's" slit, is how I've heard it described, and I agree. And geez, our VZ GTO was a bit awkward to access the rear seats, but nothing compared to the Camaro, where ya've gotta be virtually a Contortionist to get in & out.
Nothing wrong with the drivetrain of course, however I believe the GTS would be a better car to drive, & would certainly be quicker & more driveable around any twisty bits.
Cheers, Pickles.

Sounds no different than the 67 Camaro I have. If I bought one of these I would not be using it as a daily. It would purely be a toy as opposed to the truck. Purely from an aesthetic point of view I would take the camaro but that is horses for courses. Some people love the coupes, others prefer sedans. Coupes have always been a pain in the ass to get in and out of, in fact if you buy a coupe you might as well be buying a two seater.

If you have driven the old first gen camaros I think you would be fine in the new one. Just takes getting used to. I am not rubbishing anyone who wants or has a new
GTS, i would just go the Camaro route based on perceived resale and exclusivity factor.

[jaykay]

Let's get back on topic...if you want a GTS v Camaro thread start one up....

[XUV]

http://youtu.be/lTDap90x6GI

[jaficom]

Excellent video, that was what I was hoping for in that HSV GTS Doco last month. Very interesting inside look.

[68LS1]

Picked mine up today, couldn't have hoped for more. Another one who is ok with choice not to go with Euro options.

[offshore]

Ive driven most of the decent Euros over in Europe and the UK. In the UK i had the use of an S500 quiet a bit and to be honest there nothing special its a great car but in Australia honestly the price these cars come in at your being ripped off big time and if you like getting shafted by all means spend 280k on the road for an E63 and be done with it but after 2 weeks the novelty sure wears off I can assure you unless your genuinely rich and 280k is play money.

[50SHADES]

Actives GTS just ran 10.95@201kph

[Alex(AUS)]

Actives GTS just ran 10.95@201kph

More mods?

Thanks,

Alex

[50SHADES]

More mods?

Thanks,

Alex

Same mods, just run on a cool night instead. Sunday was mid 20s during the day

[macca_779]

Same mods, just run on a cool night instead. Sunday was mid 20s during the day

Anyone got any video of this car

[jaykay]

Actives GTS just ran 10.95@201kph

600rwhp and same mods....just from bolt ons and tuning :goodjob: Ed and the team

[jaykay]

Here is a video from WAW....


http://youtu.be/sPZtXLflmp8

[Stevieboy34]

Can you blokes who have bought these beasts start putting up some more images? CarPoint all has the same pics and its nice seeing some real world pics!!:yahoo:

[johnfhall]

Can you blokes who have bought these beasts start putting up some more images? CarPoint all has the same pics and its nice seeing some real world pics!!:yahoo:

Some other guys GTS and my old W427

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz167/johnfhall/DSC00903_zps60b53d83.jpg

My new GTS...

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz167/johnfhall/GTS-mini_zps749018df.jpg

[Vulture]

Picked mine up today, couldn't have hoped for more. Another one who is ok with choice not to go with Euro options.

Any feedback? I know it's early but everyone is interested to read your thoughts.



Can you blokes who have bought these beasts start putting up some more images? CarPoint all has the same pics and its nice seeing some real world pics!!:yahoo:

Will do but don't have too many other angles of pics on my computer and mine is dirty ATM.

I think 68LS1 needs to post some up :whip:

[XUV]

race, race, race :nyuk: :burnout::burnout:

Some other guys GTS and my old W427

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz167/johnfhall/DSC00903_zps60b53d83.jpg

race, race, race

[jaykay]

Nice pic that John, pity you couldn't keep both cars :(

[Ghosn]

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz167/johnfhall/DSC00903_zps60b53d83.jpg

Exterior wise, I'm still of the opinion the VE is a much better balanced design than the VF. The angles and lines flow a lot more fluently in the VE. Some angles, the VF can look a bit awkward.

[Tre-Cool]

yeah the side profile of the vf screams poverty pack im afraid.

if it werent for the brakes/rims. it looks like a magna 380.

[mjrandom]

Should be some more pics after the weekend but surely it is time for some more colours to be posted up? I was looking through my store of pics to see if there was anything I hadn't posted and saw the under car pics I took so XUV thanks again for the video, I was starting to think someone had got too excited around my GTS but it turns out to be data dots!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/photoa_zps4e8769fe.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/photoa_zps4e8769fe.jpg.html)

I still love the W427 wheels.

[Ratsmow]

The rear wheels on the gts look huge in comparison.

[68LS1]

Any feedback? I know it's early but everyone is interested to read your thoughts.




Will do but don't have too many other angles of pics on my computer and mine is dirty ATM.

I think 68LS1 needs to post some up :whip:

I didn't drive it today due mainly to weather, it goes to my detailer on Saturday, so don't want to get it any dirtier. I asked dealer not to wash it.

[Jag530G]

Are Camaro brakes interchangeable with VF brakes? The Camaro thread going at the moment features the new Z/28 which has a carbon ceramic brake package. That would be a nice upgrade for the GTS.

Cheers, Matthew

[johnfhall]

You are really very good at that. I agree. The W427 wheels would look good on the GTS.

[mjrandom]

The W427 wheels would look good on the GTS.

I had the W427 wheels on my E2. Don't ask. Pity they are a cast and not a forged wheel, very heavy. I have a front rim but no tyre so no test fits on the GTS. Oh and apologies for bastardising your photo.

[johnfhall]

I had the W427 wheels on my E2. Don't ask. Pity they are a cast and not a forged wheel, very heavy. I have a front rim but no tyre so no test fits on the GTS. Oh and apologies for bastardising your photo.

No, fantastic photoshoping... I'ts great to help visualize different things, like you've done previously with spoilers and stuff. Great work! Only wish I could do it...

I have a complete W427 wheel and tyre (front - spare) from my written off W427. The insurer let me take it for the replacement car... After my shit trade in, I didn't feel inclined to put it in the boot when I did the change-over to the GTS. I'll eventually sell it, I guess, although I'd have no idea what it's worth. And you're right, it is bloody heavy...

[jaykay]

No, fantastic photoshoping... I'ts great to help visualize different things, like you've done previously with spoilers and stuff. Great work! Only wish I could do it...

I have a complete W427 wheel and tyre (front - spare) from my written off W427. The insurer let me take it for the replacement car... After my shit trade in, I didn't feel inclined to put it in the boot when I did the change-over to the GTS. I'll eventually sell it, I guess, although I'd have no idea what it's worth. And you're right, it is bloody heavy...

John I could be interested in the wheel / tyre :idea:

[team illucid]

Should be some more pics after the weekend but surely it is time for some more colours to be posted up? I was looking through my store of pics to see if there was anything I hadn't posted and saw the under car pics I took so XUV thanks again for the video, I was starting to think someone had got too excited around my GTS but it turns out to be data dots!

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/photoa_zps4e8769fe.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/photoa_zps4e8769fe.jpg.html)

I still love the W427 wheels.

This photo highlights very well just how less aggressive the VF lines are - much softer and less in your face.

[johnfhall]

John I could be interested in the wheel / tyre :idea:

See PM John...

[mjrandom]

Not sure if the request for more GTS pics included more of my white one but anyway here are a couple I took today on the farm.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_4435a_zpsfbcb3f30.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_4435a_zpsfbcb3f30.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_4407a_zps35e5ede9.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_4407a_zps35e5ede9.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_4401a_zps24ff69e7.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_4401a_zps24ff69e7.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_4456b_zps3a412d2a.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_4456b_zps3a412d2a.jpg.html)

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_4454a_zpsa2aee0f5.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_4454a_zpsa2aee0f5.jpg.html)

Being on the farm gave me a chance for a little more experimentation. Put the transmission into "Sport" with the EDI in "Sports" and did a 0 - 100 sprint. I was surprised that there was quite a bit of wheel spin right through 1st gear on dry coarse bitumen. Definitely doesn't do that in normal Drive. Since it was only timed with a phone stop watch to 100 on the speedometer, which I suspect of being wildly optimistic, the time isn't relevant though it was a little faster than the HSV claim. More reason to doubt the speedometer accuracy. Need to put a separate GPS in the car and do a comparison. The other thing I did was use torque vectoring on a well-known corner. Relax it is a private road so no grannies were hurt in testing (she was on the other farm). After a couple of goes and more confidence the rear end pushes the front around the corner. Not hint of understeer at all once the power is on. And the cornering speed was quite a bit higher than without torque vectoring. It works! Seen some nice numbers on the g meter too.

[GTS LSA]

If I ever get mine, I will be too embarrassed to post photos, I only have my wife's dodgy digital or my video.... don't expect anything like the quality above :).... looks great

[offshore]

If I ever get mine, I will be too embarrassed to post photos, I only have my wife's dodgy digital or my video.... don't expect anything like the quality above :).... looks great

Yours is reserved for the last to come out of production in late 2014 haha

[GTS LSA]

Yeah might get the " last of the V8's" :) :)

Nah it's looking good for this week, then the 3M invisible bra, paint protection and tint and I will be a happy man

[XUV]

If I ever get mine, I will be too embarrassed to post photos, I only have my wife's dodgy digital or my video.... don't expect anything like the quality above :).... looks great
shirly if u can afford a GTS you should be able to treat yourself to a 14 megapixel digi ;)

( maybe HSV could do that as an optional extra , a colour coded HSV embossed camera in glovebox optional extra )

plus cameras are cheap as, now that phone cameras are the staple ......

[GTS LSA]

^ yeah I know, I am just slack when it comes to photos :)

I will see what the camera is like on the iPhoneS on Monday when it turns up, then might have a think on it

[GTS LSA]

Yours is reserved for the last to come out of production in late 2014 haha


PS apparently there are 3 turning up on Monday on the same truck... white, silver and my blue one... Will be some happy Canberra people this week... Or they could be out of town buyers, who knows

[JimmyXR6T04]

Yeah might get the " last of the V8's" :) :)

Nah it's looking good for this week, then the 3M invisible bra, paint protection and tint and I will be a happy man

Hey mate, slightly off topic; but I notice you're in Canberra and was wondering where you're getting your 3M wrap, and paint protection done?? I've just ordered a brand new FPV GT, and as much as I wanted a GTS I couldn't resist the deal and price I got on a new GT. part of me wanted one of the last FPVs, that I will make a keeper, and then hopefully I'll pick up a GTS in a few years time.

Looking forward to seeing a few GTS's on the road in Canberra!!

[GTS LSA]

autografika in Mitchell for the 3M (talk to craig) not cheap, about double a normal car bra but I figure over the life of the car it's not too bad.
injekted in Mitchell for the the paint protection and tint ( he does a lot of the car yards but about half the price dealing direct)

I will get bagged, but I like the GT, what colour did you choose, sorry for the off topic, but it's a quiet night

[Pickles]

Hey mate, slightly off topic; but I notice you're in Canberra and was wondering where you're getting your 3M wrap, and paint protection done?? I've just ordered a brand new FPV GT, and as much as I wanted a GTS I couldn't resist the deal and price I got on a new GT. part of me wanted one of the last FPVs, that I will make a keeper, and then hopefully I'll pick up a GTS in a few years time.

Looking forward to seeing a few GTS's on the road in Canberra!!
Make sure you put up some Pics when you receive it.
What's going on with FPV, and for how long will the GT continue to be made?...All the R Spec cars are sold?
Cheers, Pickles.

[GTS LSA]

it's here :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Pick up 1.00 Wed... :dance::driving::driving:

3M Thu / Fri

Tint, Paint, interior Tue

:woot:

ran out smilies!!

[Goggles]

it's here :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Pick up 1.00 Wed... :dance::driving::driving:

3M Thu / Fri

Tint, Paint, interior Tue

:woot:

ran out smilies!!

Cool. Look forward to seeing it around Canberra. Any pics yet?

[GTS LSA]

Nope, cant even get in to pay it a visit, as working.... I would probably have an embarrassing accident at the car yard if I went and checked it out anyway :shock:

[Goggles]

Nope, cant even get in to pay it a visit, as working.... I would probably have an embarrassing accident at the car yard if I went and checked it out anyway :shock:

Ask the dealer to take a few pics. I did that when I got my redline from Sydney. Couldnt justify a drive to see it PD

[team illucid]

Ask the dealer to take a few pics

A Canberra dealer providing a service for free? Surely you jest ;)

[team illucid]

it's here :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
Pick up 1.00 Wed... :dance::driving::driving:

3M Thu / Fri

Tint, Paint, interior Tue

:woot:

ran out smilies!!

Exhaust, OTR and tune as well?

[GTS LSA]

To be honest I didnt even think to ask.... but I assume it would be in the to hard basket...

[Goggles]

A Canberra dealer providing a service for free? Surely you jest ;)

Thats true. :D

[68LS1]

Any feedback? I know it's early but everyone is interested to read your thoughts.

Now after 4 days and 450 kms, all I can really say that this is a unbelievably good piece of kit. Fast, tick, handles, tick, beautiful to drive, tick, full of technology, tick.

From drivers seat it has an incredible feeling of being powerful. The power is extremely linear, even small throttle percentage gets you motoring. Thank goodness for the HUD and having speedo right in your face., car feels like it is going a lot slower than it is. 100km feels like walking pace (you know when you been driving on a highway and slow for town).

Ride is firm, more so than any E63 I have driven, it is not rough though and I quite like the ultra solid feel. The difference in ride between settings is noticeable and so is increase in exhaust note.

Everything so far seems to work beautifully, air con (lot quieter than VE) & sound system are very good.

Reaction by others has been very positive.

I suppose bottom line is, that there is no other 4 door in the world I would prefer over this, job well done Holden & HSV.

[Vulture]

As an aside, I came across a new E63 AMG in traffic in Brisbane yesterday, dark grey. Looked good, if a little understated, but geez did it sound good!
I don't know how AMG get it to sound so good with two turbos chopping up the sound waves in the exhaust but they have done a great job.

[JimmyXR6T04]

autografika in Mitchell for the 3M (talk to craig) not cheap, about double a normal car bra but I figure over the life of the car it's not too bad.
injekted in Mitchell for the the paint protection and tint ( he does a lot of the car yards but about half the price dealing direct)

I will get bagged, but I like the GT, what colour did you choose, sorry for the off topic, but it's a quiet night

ok cool, i have dealt with Vince before through a work colleague who knows him well. Do you know what paint protection you're getting? I'm thinking of having mine done in melbourne when i pick the car up..

I opted for white with black stripes, manual and leather. Was very tempted by the Mars Red which is an orange/red, but stuck with my gut choice!


Make sure you put up some Pics when you receive it.
What's going on with FPV, and for how long will the GT continue to be made?...All the R Spec cars are sold?
Cheers, Pickles.

Yeah will do mate. A lot of talk on fordforums that next year is it for FPV/GT... perhaps an XR8 only, but who really knows? I was planning on waiting it out till next year to see, but would have been spewing if they didn't make them anymore and i missed out on a new one. I'll probably be a little dissappointed if they do make them until 2016, but i suppose the FG GT will possibly be the last of the no nonsense FPV muscle cars. It's a little bland, and a little raw but i think i like that... It'll be a big difference from the caprice, so i hope i don't miss my luxuries too much!!

A few R-Specs for sale last time i checked, but they must be close to being sold now...

Apologies for off topic lads!

GTS LSA - i'm excited for ya for wednesday mate! Enjoy the beast! I'll keep an eye out for you, and when i do have the GT, i'll keep clear haha

[offshore]

Nice cars those GTs best sounding stock motor by far I reckon. My only issues with those is the chassis and small rear tyres. Got a mate whos thinking of upgrading his BA GT for one.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Nice cars those GTs best sounding stock motor by far I reckon. My only issues with those is the chassis and small rear tyres. Got a mate whos thinking of upgrading his BA GT for one.

If he's serious, tell him to get in soon. FPV are doing great deals at the moment. Canberra dealer was hopeless, i ended up buying in Melbourne and saved heaps.

[Vulture]

Does anyone know the story behind this?


http://youtu.be/y3l9xadHUS0

[offshore]

Does anyone know the story behind this?


http://youtu.be/y3l9xadHUS0

Yea but its boring

[jaykay]

What is the point of that video ??? :confused:

[mjrandom]

What is the point of that video ??? :confused:

The wheels on the bus go round and round?

[Vulture]

What is the point of that video ??? :confused:

Yes, I thought there would at least be some description on YouTube or image of the output before and after.

[adr8]

What is the point of that video ??? :confused:

I have seen it posted on the Ford forum, I think the point is that it only made 350rwkw after the tune.

[macca_779]

320 stock 350 tuned is what the video is about. Don't read into it to much. Let's see what the reputable shops do with them

[07L98SS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv-yIOk4Tus
This is a cool vid. Having a bit of fun.

[ittwgn]

one brand new set of tyres gone there !! haaha awesome

[seedyrom]

For sale.

Demonstrator kilometres only.

[GTS LSA]

Low km, only driven to the shops and back



How good would it be to get to do a few laps there...

[mjrandom]

I have seen it posted on the Ford forum, I think the point is that it only made 350rwkw after the tune.

I assume that is to belittle the LSA. That's a bit like having 300mm in your gentleman's area, not much point if you can't use it all!

[JimmyXR6T04]

I assume that is to belittle the LSA. That's a bit like having 300mm in your gentleman's area, not much point if you can't use it all!

There were a few people slagging the GTS, but most of the lads had a healthy respect for the GTS. Those that were slagging, have gone a bit quiet since seeing some of the other dyno runs, and 1/4 mile times, especially the tuned GTS running the 10.95...

[07L98SS]

Low km, only driven to the shops and back



How good would it be to get to do a few laps there...
Yeah , That would be sweet to get on the track and flog it like that. I would say they are built to take it....just wouldnt like to be paying for tyres.

[offshore]

Yeah , That would be sweet to get on the track and flog it like that. I would say they are built to take it....just wouldnt like to be paying for tyres.

I dont see the point of driving like that doesnt do any thing for me. Ive done quiet a bit of rally driving so not at against a bit of fun and games but drifting around a track like that cant see the point besides wasting tyres. It doesn't take any skill either on a circuit.

[GTS LSA]

^ yeah I am the same, I would love to drive around the track though, cant say I am into drifting... i would be trying to improve my PB lap time and working out the best lines and brake markers etc

[Drizt]

just because!

[offshore]

It probably impresses the school boys maybe not the girls though

[07L98SS]

Dare say if I had one I couldnt bring myself to thrashing it either. Maybe if the tyres were finished for a couple of corners. It would be good to see how fast a lap your could get with the traction,stability on and with all the driving aids turned off.

[Vulture]

This car has exhuast, tune and pulley AFAIK.


http://youtu.be/xgWS98_L78s

[GTS LSA]

Well the beast is home.... cant really report much yet, I put it straight into Performance mode and the Auto to Sport and away I went :driving::driving:...

Done all of 60km... but very smooth, very linear and brakes feel solid... haven't tried throwing it about yet still getting used to my line of sight from seating position and will play around with all the gadgets on the weekend. (Love that I can just dial in Wakefield and can go run laps and EDI does all the data for me...)

Dropping off 9.30 for 3M tomorrow then will take it for a decent run on weekend if get a chance, prior to detail and tint Tue then if the weather is fair I will try to get a few photos up if i can remember how to do it and my photobucket is still active

Dealer had mine, 2 whites and a Prussian Steele... to go out this week, the steele looks to have an almost greeny tinge to it, at least under the carport at the dealer

Anyway I like the blue, looks much better in Sun than overcast though

[GTS LSA]

PS

Met QIKMIK out the front of the dealer, thanks for the "pop in" and chat, good to actually meet a forum member

sorry off topic...... again

[team illucid]

Is QIKMIK still driving his Barina?

[GTS LSA]

no idea, too busy gas bagging about HSV's :D

[GR346]

He has been a bit quiet of late - normally pass each other doing the school drops haha

We should organise a meet up to put faces to names now theres a few regulars on here

[GTS LSA]

Yep I will be in that

[QIKMIK]

I've got a taxi now, boys. You should know that. The 'ole white Commodore on gas. ;)

A meet would be nice. Isn't there a thread/forum for that somewhere?

Mick

[offshore]

I saw a blue VF SSV Redline in Dickson on tuesday first one in blue ive seen.

[team illucid]

I've got a taxi now, boys. You should know that. The 'ole white Commodore on gas. ;)

A meet would be nice. Isn't there a thread/forum for that somewhere?

Mick
Nice one pops

[team illucid]

I saw a blue VF SSV Redline in Dickson on tuesday first one in blue ive seen.

I have seen several VF SS out here in Dickson ... blue, green, white, grey

[offshore]

I have seen several VF SS out here in Dickson ... blue, green, white, grey

May see my white one there as i get takeaway from dickson noodle house some times lol

[team illucid]

May see my white one there as i get takeaway from dickson noodle house some times lol

We are usually in subway or the pub for lunch

[mjrandom]

More GTS deliveries and no pics??????????????????????????????????????????????

[jaykay]

More GTS deliveries and no pics??????????????????????????????????????????????

Speaking of which I have seen hardly any of Vultures GTS :stick:

I must say I am really liking the GTS in white with the standard wheels...

2719

[GTS LSA]

Here goes, haven't done this in a long time :)

its not detailed & just got it back from getting the 3M done, so you will notice a few bubbles etc, but I had to put the Paint protection & tint back to Friday to let the 3M settle... anyway I love it :love: :up2sum:....
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/1_zps6bf73531.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/1_zps6bf73531.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/2_zps67170bd0.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/2_zps67170bd0.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/3_zps0a76826d.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/3_zps0a76826d.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/7_zps1d3949a7.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/7_zps1d3949a7.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/4_zps39abe260.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/4_zps39abe260.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/5_zpscd38bc69.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/5_zpscd38bc69.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/6_zps2ca05394.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/6_zps2ca05394.jpg.html)
One for the older age bracket :hide:
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/8_zps151b825f.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/8_zps151b825f.jpg.html)

[QIKMIK]

Looks even better on the road. She was all cooped up in the dealer's shed when I saw her. Very nice! I reckon PB would've loved 'em.

Mick

[korrupt]

The blue looks pretty good in the sun. Can you share a few more details on the 3M wrap thing ? Is it mostly to avoid stone chips ? Will the paint protection go over the top of it ? Thanks

[adr8]

The blue would be my pick also, it looks really good... also loving the std rims look much better than the SV wheels. Enjoy :)

[XUV]

Oh the humanity ........... but it's good to know you're safe ;)

http://youtu.be/bI7i5XgATyo

[GTS LSA]

The blue looks pretty good in the sun. Can you share a few more details on the 3M wrap thing ? Is it mostly to avoid stone chips ? Will the paint protection go over the top of it ? Thanks

effectively an invisible "wrap" specifically cut the the shape of the front of the car, plus about 1/3 of the way up the bonnet, + the inside of the door handles (they get really scratched after time), and yes the paint protection is then done over the top... I didn't want one of the traditional car bra's as they are a pain in the ar$e and tend to scratch the car anyway

Main aim is to protect against stone chips and other scratches etc

Hopefully this will be worth the money, its so good when I 1st walked up to the car I didnt think he had started on it and it was going to be there another day

[LS3]

I didn't think the blue would look that good with the yellow calipers and badges but I think you have made an excellent choice , I like the sound of the 3M stuff might have to look into that

[GTS LSA]

Thanks, colour choice had me worried for a while, but VERY happy now

[Dobbo69]

Great colour choice, looks mint that colour combo!
and looking at all the other pics of GTS's i have never noticed how severe the lines on the front bar are, until seeing it in the blue, looks tuff!
Enjoy!

[Maccas]

Just a quick question about the 3m clear bra, why only go up half the bonnet wont this eventually lift and have grime build up along the edge of the wrap? Was doing research about this product a little while ago and watched a video done by one place and they wrap the whole bonnet and its cut off underneath so that there are no visible edges.

[Goggles]

Here goes, haven't done this in a long time :)

its not detailed & just got it back from getting the 3M done, so you will notice a few bubbles etc, but I had to put the Paint protection & tint back to Friday to let the 3M settle... anyway I love it :love: :up2sum:.... One for the older age bracket :hide:


looks awesome, love the colour and the last pic. just watch out for Canberra region drivers. I spent the day in syd in traffic and drove back to Canberra this arvo. as soon as I left the Lake George part of the Federal Highway, I seemed to come across so many crappy drivers, most of whom either cut me off or tailgated me :flip3:

[GTS LSA]

^^ Maccas

yeah good point

honestly, this was the only place locally I could find that did what I was looking for, apparently it wont lift & I have been told (so who knows) that if it gets grime it basically a wipe away

But having said that I am a pioneer on this, so I will report back in 12 months or so... based on most my experiences or "anyone" doing "anything".... most are crap... with the exception of Marcus & Kit at Gentech (free advertising right there)...

I do have a 5 year warranty... just have to read the fine print

[GTS LSA]

Took it for a quick squirt this arvo.... done a full 100km now :driving:

is 40 litres per 100km a good average :stick::stick:

only one complaint if you can call it that.... I seem to have to keep adjusting the seat forward........................................... ................................ because I keep getting pushed back in it and struggle to get my left foot to the foot "rest" on the left.... no jokes... struggling to find a good seat position.... I reckon when I hit Wakefield I will just bring the seat forward about an inch and wait & see what happens






ps the Torque Vectoring works :up2sum::up2sum:

[GR346]

Sounds promising so far then - keen to check this thing out :)

lol at Canberra drivers - I think I have almost been wiped out more times in my bright yellow HSV than I did when I had my black one, a sign its getting worst?

[GTS LSA]

Yeah I just about got cleaned up in my 4x4 day b4 I traded it, when it rained a bit on Wed....bloke in front of me did a 180 going around a roundabout and started driving back towards me... Cause he didn't think to keep the foot on the stop pedal..... Not bad:werd:

[sportwagon]

Oh the humanity ........... but it's good to know you're safe ;)

http://youtu.be/bI7i5XgATyo

I hope that didnt have all the fruit under the bonet ,what a waste.

[Plenty]

I hope that didnt have all the fruit under the bonet ,what a waste.

Unfortunately it has to, to pass the test.....

[GTS LSA]

Scary yet comforting at the same time!

[Maccas]

Hey man watch this video on car bras this guy talking about it is considered one of the best detailers getting round

http://youtu.be/c5vPbwez1kk

[GTS LSA]

nice find... tell you what I would not have the patience to do that, I struggle to do it on my damn iphone :)

[QIKMIK]

Love AMMO vids. Larry seems to know his stuff. Check out the black 911 GT3 detail as the car has a "clear bra" and is used for track/ fast street.

Mick

[Pickles]

Here goes, haven't done this in a long time :)

its not detailed & just got it back from getting the 3M done, so you will notice a few bubbles etc, but I had to put the Paint protection & tint back to Friday to let the 3M settle... anyway I love it :love: :up2sum:....
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/1_zps6bf73531.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/1_zps6bf73531.jpg.html)
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http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/4_zps39abe260.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/4_zps39abe260.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/5_zpscd38bc69.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/5_zpscd38bc69.jpg.html)
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/6_zps2ca05394.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/6_zps2ca05394.jpg.html)
One for the older age bracket :hide:
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/8_zps151b825f.jpg (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/BD888430/media/8_zps151b825f.jpg.html)

LSA....A GREAT rear window sticker......Gotta remember "THE MAN", who would absolutely LOVE this car. I can see him doing some ballistic (or as Peter would have said "Having a red hot go!)driving in one of these in a Targa event etc.....How good would it be to see that?
Cheers, Pickles.

[JimmyXR6T04]

GTS LSA - looks awesome mate, the blue has really grown on me. I look forward to seeing more of these on the roads in canberra!

[Maccas]

That blue is really growing on me but only in certain models and in 5he gts im surprised how well it works. If anyonr is ever after extra detailing tips for your personal cars def watch all the vids by ammo nyc his work is amazing. Bit of my go to guy as I love detailing cars and if I ever have something I havent seen before this guy generally has the answers he is now thr offical bugatti detailer in America. Sorry to go off topic.

[offshore]

They really need bigger wheels. Be great if you could fit a set 305 tyres on the rear.

[mjrandom]

Bigger or just wider? The tyres (particularly the rear) are in shadow in those shots. All I have to say is more pics please!

[offshore]

Bigger or just wider? The tyres (particularly the rear) are in shadow in those shots. All I have to say is more pics please!

I reckon just wider I dont like going bigger than 20inch because of the lack of decent tyres

[GTS LSA]

Hard to say with rears, 275's are not small.... Wonder if there would be any real world benefit of going wider..... They would be massively expensive, and the car drives exceptionally well as is

[Pickles]

Hard to say with rears, 275's are not small.... Wonder if there would be any real world benefit of going wider..... They would be massively expensive, and the car drives exceptionally well as is
You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

[offshore]

I was mainly thinking of the stance more than anything just a thought experiment plus recalibrated traction control with a modded engine of 500kw or so and 305 tyres would allow the traction control to stay off for longer. Like with 900nm+ of torque you get wheel spin in 3rd and 4th gear and that ultimately limits power to the ground.

[GTS LSA]

You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.


Yep agreed.... Can't say any more really!! Except throttle control..to improve speed... Instead of plant it and hope

[mjrandom]

The GTS has excellent traction. Not sure if it is the Continentals or the rear set up or a bit of both.

[Goggles]

Yep agreed.... Can't say any more really!! Except throttle control..to improve speed... Instead of plant it and hope

Its interesting that holden has gone to 275s on the rears of the redline. Is 275 the sweet spot in terms of traction and cost? I suppose the 255s on the front of the gen-fs would help steering

[Evman]

I think you'll find 275 is the largest that allows sufficient "factory clearances". Exactly the reason HSV didn't go bigger tyres on pre-VE

[XUV]

anyone else think James Courney's car looks lower then standard? maybe a special request from HSV.
http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b519/BD888430/6_zps2ca05394.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/XUVUTE/5bf24cf7-e101-46ad-96a2-ef70fc7c8ee1_zps2261f276.jpg

[GTS LSA]

Hard to say with all the shadow... But wouldn't surprise me if he had any goodies he wants, so more than likely correct

[XUV]

Hard to say with all the shadow... But wouldn't surprise me if he had any goodies he wants, so more than likely correct

That was my thinking and a positive for you guys, as it must be a positive thing , be interesting to see if he went any bigger tyre or rim wise .

Coz I doubt HSV would do anything negative to a V8Supercar drivers car.

[[Mitch]]

Tekno Performance have released two sets of lowered springs for VF GTS already (375mm HTG and 355mm HTG) and have a "V-Band clamp exhaust system with factory EDI controlled bi-modal mufflers". That's just on their Facebook page.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1380840_505895836174049_1975692672_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1392967_505895679507398_765025064_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q77/s720x720/1383090_510060912424208_1951617002_n.jpg

Hope the pics work.

[GR346]

They do and certainly nice pics ;)

[Ghosn]

I had a look at a VF HSV in the flesh a few weeks ago and noticed the gap between the tire and wheel arch are smaller than the VE gaps giving u the impression it's lowered. From memory the VF runs a higher profile tire than the VE, so it shrinks the gap between the tire and arch or maybe they are in fact slightly lower from factory? It's got to be one or the other.

[mjrandom]

The fronts are only 6mm larger diameter though the rears are 26mm taller. I think GenFs sit lower as well.

[offshore]

GTSLSA blue is the go but it needs wheels. I suggest the forgeline but colour for the blue is interesting it could be gold because gold goes with blue cars but thats to outrageous so i reckon gun metal or bronze in 20x10 and 20x9

[GTS LSA]

I am going to keep it 100% stock and I like the GTS wheels... I have been down the high mod road both with my old GTO and my ex EVO IX.... In the long run I have ended up regretting it both times... But that's just me, I am over modding cars. Not to say that anyone else should not do what ever they want.... What ever makes you happy

[offshore]

I agree mate it is a waste of money really but when i look back its good to have done these things to me its like flying an f18 or an old spitfire the average guy can never do that but in a way our little cars are similar it gives a bit of enjoyment.

[bozodos]

GTSLSA: you're not even going to tune it for a bit more potential?

I can see why you'd keep it stock otherwise though.

[GTS LSA]

My goal when decided to buy was keep it stock, and keep it for a decent amount of time... Unless HSV bring out some super weapon as the last of the V8's/ RWD... But who knows what the future will bring.
May do a tune but I don't want to change bimodal air or exhaust, so not sure if would be much benefit???

And it's go's like a cut cat as is ;)

[mattnsw]

You are 1000% correct.
If the car needed bigger tyres, IN ALL CONDITIONS, HSV would've fitted 'em.
Always makes me laugh, on the C63 forums as well, ..."gotta have bigger tyres on the rear"???!!! Well, if all ya're interested in is acceleration, IN A STRAIGHT LINE, yes, maybe a bigger tyre might give ya a fraction of a second improvement, but,.......at what what cost to general handling & driveability, cornering etc, in all sorts of conditions, that are encountered in everyday driving?
I say that HSV have "done their homework" with the GTS. So, I say, if ya wanna fit bigger rubber for more maybe marginally more traction in a straight line, then go for it. I also say that with that bigger rubber on the rear, you will encounter greater understeer in some conditions, & also some "unbalance".
HSV did a lot of R/D on this car. Ya wanna change it, ya know more than HSV?....well go for it? I wouldn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

It makes you wonder why AMG put wider rims and tyres on their more expensive models.

It is simply to keep the cost down for the owners of the entry level models.

All motoring journalists and professional drivers talk of the C63 being under tyred in a straight line and whilst cornering, something that was corrected by putting wider shoes on the Black Series.

[CSV Strada SiR]

It's off topic but the AMG 63 has the same rears as a C250 when you option 18's.
the reason they don't go wider is clearence - I have put unique self tensioning snow chains on the wife's estate and I can tell you that wider rubber isn't an option as they are extremely tight.

[Pickles]

The fronts are only 6mm larger diameter though the rears are 26mm taller. I think GenFs sit lower as well.
When I was talking to the guys at HSV re GTS build, they mentioned the fitting of the transmission, which sits lower under the car, because of clearance issues, therefore the transmission ground clearance was lower than desired. I'm fairly sure that I was told that it was for this reason that higher profile tryres were fitted on the rear....to increase ground clearance?
Cheers, Pickles.

[GTS LSA]

^ makes sense

[mjrandom]

Saw my first wild unchartered GTS on the road this morning. Silver with standard wheels and wing. I cannot recall seeing another GenF HSV on the road (other than Simon's GTS). Naturally I was in the ute today transporting stuff so apart from excellent fuel consumption I had nothing!

[sjhugh]

It's off topic but the AMG 63 has the same rears as a C250 when you option 18's.
the reason they don't go wider is clearence - I have put unique self tensioning snow chains on the wife's estate and I can tell you that wider rubber isn't an option as they are extremely tight.


When I was recently checking out the new GTS I thought it looked good straight out of the box but it was a tad too high in my opinion.

Possibly off subject but I’m a big fan of rims and tyres that fill the guards on all vehicles.
I just love the look and would be happy to put aftermarket rims on the GTS to achieve it but those who don’t like it, well each to their own.

I’m also one of those that would look at lowering it.


In regard to the C63, one reason that limits its rim width is because the cost of changing the rear of the standard C Class body shell to accommodate massive rubber was considered outside Mercedes/AMG’s brief to deliver a cheaper 6.2 litre AMG to the masses.

It should be noted though that the C63 has a wider track than the standard C Class and customers who put the actual genuine C63 rims on a C Class (as opposed to AMG accessory optional rims) will in most cases add wheel spaces to bring the rim lip out further to the guard as they tuck in too much on the standard car.

In saying that the MB forums are full of cars with wider rims and tyres on C63’s as correct offsets are the most important factor.

I’ve seen a billion cars with 265 and 275 tyres on 9 and 10 inch rims without any issues (standard width on the rear being 255). I’ve also seen 305 where the owner swears no modifications other than guard rolling was required.

I personally struggle to believe it as I have 20x10 inch rims with 285/25 rubber on the back of mine with the car lowered as far as it can go with this size and I needed to roll the guards to make it happen. I have no rubbing.
(The guard lip with on a C63 is only 5mm, which is much narrower than that of a Commodore, rolling something that narrow frightens a lot of people.)

The C63 could definitely use some wider rubber as the handling difference on mine at turn in and exit s@#ts all over the stock rim tyre configuration.

Mine lowered with coilovers.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/4IMG_3656aa.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/4IMG_3656aa.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/Coilovers11.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/Coilovers11.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/COAlter1.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/COAlter1.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/12IMG_3622aa.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/12IMG_3622aa.jpg.html)

Mine at stock height on the standard rims
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/IMG_0848a.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/IMG_0848a.jpg.html)


A C63 AMG Black Series with aftermarket rims
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg.html)


I’m sure a GTS will look just as good if it was lowered on a big fat set of tyres.

When I get mine I’ll post up some photos and hopefully prove it.


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[GTS LSA]

A C63 AMG Black Series with aftermarket rims
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg.html)

.[/QUOTE]

:drool:

[jc_sv8]

Awsome - Except for the rear wing which looks like it came off an Excel...

[csv rulz]

Seen 3 VF GTS's in last 2 days around Doncaster area. Blue, red & white.
Obviously very popular so far

[jaykay]

The red coupe has massively pumped guards so you will never get the GTS to look as phat as that !!!

[sjhugh]

The red coupe has massively pumped guards so you will never get the GTS to look as phat as that !!!

Definitely that Black Series will accept a combo much wider than the GTS.

My point is not who has the biggest, it’s about taking full advantage of what you have and filling out the guards.

Some people may think big rims and tyres look horrendous compared to stock but to my eyes, big rubber on a lowered car is perfect.

I saw a photo of NickS’ new VF in another thread and I think it looks better than any of the others I’ve seen and it’s simply because it’s lowered. With wider rims it would look even better again.

Here’s a Black Series at stock height on stock rims
I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t love to own it but I’d prefer the red one because of its stance.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/PA240634.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/PA240634.jpg.html)

He’s my Ute with 20x10 rims with 295 tyres.
The rear makes the 255 on the front look small even allowing for the illusion created by the camera lens and depth perception.
Even though I have the guards rolled it doesn’t need it, there is a finger gap between the guard and tyre.
These rims were purpose made for my VE Clubby but I decided to put them on my Ute instead.
It’s getting the offset perfect that allows this type of combo without having to suffer any rubbing and I love to fit as wide as possible under the guards.

I’d do something similar to the GTS.

Any way, it would be boring if our cars all looked the same.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/IMG_3844.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/IMG_3844.jpg.html)

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/IMG_3785.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/IMG_3785.jpg.html)



.

[XUV]

My point is not who has the biggest, it’s about taking full advantage of what you have and filling out the guards.

.

half if not 3/4's of the time going bigger/wider is just for show and most likely a backwards step,
as you tend to skimp on tyre quality , due to the insane price of 295's 305's.

and for the money you'd spend on a bigger wider rim package could be more wisely spent on a better tyre in stock dimensions.

The 275's on the back of the VF's now offer a great selection of rubber to be had.

[Stevieboy34]

A C63 AMG Black Series with aftermarket rims
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/C63AMGBS_zps2e176227.jpg.html)


.[/QUOTE]

:jerk: This made me happy in my pants.

[iloveholden]

Here’s a Black Series at stock height on stock rims
I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t love to own it but I’d prefer the red one because of its stance.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/sjhugh/PA240634.jpg (http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sjhugh/media/PA240634.jpg.html)


I want this in my life! What a beast!! Also remembering back to Top Gear and Jeremy thrashing it round, so much fun :)

[GTS LSA]

^ oh yeah

I have done a few laps of the top gear track in it too, love it.......



On Forza 4 that is :)

[mjrandom]

^ oh yeah

I have done a few laps of the top gear track in it too, love it.......



On Forza 4 that is :)

Is that the "unreasonably priced car"?

[GTS LSA]

Is that the "unreasonably priced car"?

Yep.... But I am saving up :)

[sjhugh]

half if not 3/4's of the time going bigger/wider is just for show and most likely a backwards step,
as you tend to skimp on tyre quality , due to the insane price of 295's 305's.



You might, I don’t.



and for the money you'd spend on a bigger wider rim package could be more wisely spent on a better tyre in stock dimensions.



These types of rims are not off the shelf, they are made to order and cost between 8,000 and 12,000 dollars for a set of 4.
When spending that kind of money another 4 or 5,000 dollars doesn’t matter.

I’m also not hiding the fact it is for looks.
Contrary to popular belief, all of these cars fall over after a few laps around the track unless you start spending serious money on mods to make them proper track weapons.

And any acceleration I may lose on the street due to the width and profile of the tyres will be made up for in the decrease of the unsprung weight achieved from the lightness of high end good quality forged rims and not the pretenders often used by the manufacturers.
Anyway, I don’t hammer my cars on the street so if you or anyone else blows past me I won’t be worried.




The 275's on the back of the VF's now offer a great selection of rubber to be had.



There is also a big selection of 285 and 295's available these days if you are prepared to spend the money.


Seriously I'm on here to say what I would like to do to the GTS, others will love to keep theirs stock and good on them that's their choice.
Mine will be to modify it and I'll do it to my taste regardless of what anyone else thinks.

I hope some others who own these cars will start to show theirs off, there are a few getting around now and not all of them have been kept standard.



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[DMW]

HSV Gen-F GTS engine sound and 0-100km/h

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mri0y0lqZdk

Review >
http://performancedrive.com.au/hsv-gen-f-gts-review-video/

[CLUBRED]

Whats more interesting the camera keeps panning off into the sky...

PS, whats the green light on the dash that comes and goes?

[jaykay]

That is the lane change warning

[XLR8 V8]

Whats more interesting the camera keeps panning off into the sky...

To be fair there's an equal number of shots where they're filming the ground next to the car, so I guess it balances out the sky shots :lol: Their article and photos are ok, but their video work is quite shite tbh - if they want to be taken as serious motoring journos they need a better videographer and should film on something better than what looks like a phone camera.
Also makes me cringe when EVERY car they review has a video of them starting then engine and immediately revving the living shit out of it.
Here's hoping Top Gear UK have a play around in one.

[Goggles]

That is the lane change warning

which is a waste of time. I find I can never hear it in my Redline and the warning light is so small.

[mjrandom]

I switched the lane change warining off the first day I had mine. Not too bad if you are on the highway but around town it is too sensitive if you are keeping left. My son mentioned the supercharger whistle as I accelerated away the other day. You can't (well I can't) hear that from inside. And just for something different I had a play with photoshop...

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_45623z_zpse72c2a91.jpg (http://s262.photobucket.com/user/mjrandom/media/DSC_45623z_zpse72c2a91.jpg.html)

[brasher]

When I was recently checking out the new GTS I thought it looked good straight out of the box but it was a tad too high in my opinion.

Possibly off subject but I’m a big fan of rims and tyres that fill the guards on all vehicles.
I just love the look and would be happy to put aftermarket rims on the GTS to achieve it but those who don’t like it, well each to their own.

I’m also one of those that would look at lowering it.


In regard to the C63, one reason that limits its rim width is because the cost of changing the rear of the standard C Class body shell to accommodate massive rubber was considered outside Mercedes/AMG’s brief to deliver a cheaper 6.2 litre AMG to the masses.

It should be noted though that the C63 has a wider track than the standard C Class and customers who put the actual genuine C63 rims on a C Class (as opposed to AMG accessory optional rims) will in most cases add wheel spaces to bring the rim lip out further to the guard as they tuck in too much on the standard car.

In saying that the MB forums are full of cars with wider rims and tyres on C63’s as correct offsets are the most important factor.

I’ve seen a billion cars with 265 and 275 tyres on 9 and 10 inch rims without any issues (standard width on the rear being 255). I’ve also seen 305 where the owner swears no modifications other than guard rolling was required.

I personally struggle to believe it as I have 20x10 inch rims with 285/25 rubber on the back of mine with the car lowered as far as it can go with this size and I needed to roll the guards to make it happen. I have no rubbing.
(The guard lip with on a C63 is only 5mm, which is much narrower than that of a Commodore, rolling something that narrow frightens a lot of people.)

The C63 could definitely use some wider rubber as the handling difference on mine at turn in and exit s@#ts all over the stock rim tyre configuration.


.

Explaining offset/fitment to Commodore owners is like explaining Quantum Physics to a toddler. Nice choice of wheels btw :)

[bozodos]

You might, I don’t.





These types of rims are not off the shelf, they are made to order and cost between 8,000 and 12,000 dollars for a set of 4.
When spending that kind of money another 4 or 5,000 dollars doesn’t matter.

I’m also not hiding the fact it is for looks.
Contrary to popular belief, all of these cars fall over after a few laps around the track unless you start spending serious money on mods to make them proper track weapons.

And any acceleration I may lose on the street due to the width and profile of the tyres will be made up for in the decrease of the unsprung weight achieved from the lightness of high end good quality forged rims and not the pretenders often used by the manufacturers.
Anyway, I don’t hammer my cars on the street so if you or anyone else blows past me I won’t be worried.






There is also a big selection of 285 and 295's available these days if you are prepared to spend the money.


Seriously I'm on here to say what I would like to do to the GTS, others will love to keep theirs stock and good on them that's their choice.
Mine will be to modify it and I'll do it to my taste regardless of what anyone else thinks.

I hope some others who own these cars will start to show theirs off, there are a few getting around now and not all of them have been kept standard.



.

Why do you pay such an extraordinary amount when $5k would get you a custom set of forged JDM wheels in whatever offset you require? Should look amazing with the right stance.

[FLI355]

Why do you pay such an extraordinary amount when $5k would get you a custom set of forged JDM wheels in whatever offset you require? Should look amazing with the right stance.

I was thinking the same thing. 5-6k Gets you J-Line, Forgeline, Billets, whatever you want.

[brasher]

Because HRE/ADV.1 Tax :)

thank christ I didn't pay anywhere near retail for mine.

[offshore]

Im looking at probably 6k for Forgelines and then I have to spend around 750 a tyre for a Michelin pilot sports or some similar tyre. So that brings the price to 9k all up.

Or keep the standard rims and put some pretty sticky Dunlop tyres like these on it. http://www.stuckey.com.au/tyres_details.aspx?TyreName=DZSPZ2

Advantage of Forgeline is lower unsprung weight and looks (but who cares if its for performance only) and you would normally go for 20inch rims but better tyre selection if staying with 19s but then if you spent all the money on Forgelines seems a waste to stay on 19s

Ill keep standard rims if I can fit the brakes I want under them if not then ill have to go with Forgeline.

[macca_779]

That's the old tyre I believe mate. DZ03 is the current one and I only spoke to Russell about Semi's a couple of weeks ago.

FWIW I ended up with the NITTO NT01 semi slick. It's less than half the price and reviews well

[SV805]

So what to look forward to now. Have we seen all the comparisons and test reviews.

What Is next to look forward to.

[offshore]

Maybe track times be good to see what it does at Nurburgring against the all the others.

[offshore]

Ive spent many years working all around the world with my job and ive spent quiet a few days in Monaco over the years. On one occasion stayed a few nights in hotel de Paris overlooking casino square with a balcony one level up or might have been two in 2010 and over those 3 nights had 200 possibly closer to 500 Ferraris Lambos you name it drove by the Casino square got parked or just cruised by. I was a with a 5 year old kid as well and he could tell the difference in sound without looking when one drove by between a V12 or V8 Ferrari or V12, V10 or V8 lambo and Aston Martin and others. After a while it was who cares its not a big deal if you drove a decent chev v8 people would look up its all in perspective people here think a Ferrari sounds good with its flat plane crank bullshit its boring go over to europe and listen to a V8 like what guys on here have. Take it to Monaco and the Frenc will think the same the same the sound of a barking chev on the high mountain walls in Monaco past the old servo just up from the Casino built into the rocks with an F40 up on blocks which ive seen that would pull crowds.

We have it good in Australia no one else has the good old V8 sedans that we have. Even though we do get ripped off on euro cars. But let no one feel that their car they are working on or buying here is less then overseas our cars are the best.

[Pickles]

offshore,...I think our cars are pretty good too mate.
In fact, I think VF, in either Calais, CalaisV, Redline, SSV, GenF HSV, or whatever, are ALL very good, there's something for everyone there...in fact, for the money, I can't see how ya could do better.
Of course there's always those who say things like "the trim/plastics are crap", "the doors don't close", "paint is crap" etc etc etc. I ain't one of those.
I reckon Holden have done a brilliant job with limited dollars, in a VERY tough market, with VF, so I agree with you.
Cheers, Pickles.

[jaykay]

Saw my first white Gen F GTS this morning on the motorway.......what jumped out at me straight away were the yellow calipers..they demand that you look at them......and the number plate on that car was "VOLTAGE"..... :goodjob:

[jaykay]

Harrop Stage 3 kit Coming Soon !!!


http://youtu.be/swd1TWB7Up4

[GTS LSA]

Harrop Stage 3 kit Coming Soon !!!


http://youtu.be/swd1TWB7Up4

ooooh sweet jes*s.....:love::love::D

[jaykay]

Would love to hear one with a bigger cam and aftermarket exhaust :drool:

[offshore]

haha my 3 inch difillipo on the VF redline sounds better :hide:

[GTS LSA]

haha my 3 inch difillipo on the VF redline sounds better :hide:

Are u comparing apples and oranges again?:stick:

[Drizt]

haha my 3 inch difillipo on the VF redline sounds better :hide:

Can you post up a video ??

[LJCHSV]

Can you post up a video ??

^^^^^ what he said!

[BLACK 346]

Would love to hear one with a bigger cam and aftermarket exhaust :drool:

IMO a bigger cam would certainly give it a deeper and ballsier note. Nothing gives an LS motor a better note than a massive cam imho and experience.

[offshore]

Are u comparing apples and oranges again?:stick:

Na dont get me wrong Id rather have a GTS then my Redline any day.

[offshore]

Can you post up a video ??

Ill try to I took a quick one with my galaxy S4 but it was crap the mic could hardly hear it probably have to do it with a gopro and i was thinking of getting one so ill see what happens tomorrow.

[Drizt]

Ill try to I took a quick one with my galaxy S4 but it was crap the mic could hardly hear it probably have to do it with a gopro and i was thinking of getting one so ill see what happens tomorrow.

No problems. I'd love to hear it none the less.

[GTS LSA]

Na dont get me wrong Id rather have a GTS then my Redline any day.

I'm only stirring u up mate, I had effectively the same exhaust package as you have on my GTO, albeit with cam and heads etc as well, and it out sounded the GTS.... But I would still take the GTS.....

best sound so far for mine is that ZL1 Camaro that is posted elsewhere, absolute porn on wheels

[offshore]

I'm only stirring u up mate, I had effectively the same exhaust package as you have on my GTO, albeit with cam and heads etc as well, and it out sounded the GTS.... But I would still take the GTS.....

best sound so far for mine is that ZL1 Camaro that is posted elsewhere, absolute porn on wheels

Yea i know lol. Should meet us some time if you want wouldnt mind having a look at the GTS.

[GTS LSA]

Yep, good idea, few others have said same re a meet up, but time is always a factor, 3 kids see to that... I was thinking of having a quick look at the HSV day on Sat at slavens if cricket finishes on time for Boy 1... But I have sort of seen em all b4 and not sure of there are any F series, so if the weather is shite I will give it a miss

[offshore]

Yep, good idea, few others have said same re a meet up, but time is always a factor, 3 kids see to that... I was thinking of having a quick look at the HSV day on Sat at slavens if cricket finishes on time for Boy 1... But I have sort of seen em all b4 , so if the weather is shite I will give i a miss

Yea I might be going back to work next week not sure yet may be here a few more weeks. But could arrange one night for simple meet up in braddon or whatever.

[CLUBRED]

More powerrrrrrrrr


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_23eWgd7c

[SV805]

So any details. Is that just a tune ? What has been changed.

[kblume]

"Published on Nov 7, 2013


New Pre-Delivered VF GTS-LSA with a cam and supercharger upgrade prior to showroom delivery. Primary tune resulted in 391kw at the rear wheels. With the addition of larger injectors there is still some good gains to be made with a more aggressive tune."

[jaykay]

Harrops aftermarket GTS exhaust...

2776

[Y.B.SHY]

Harrops aftermarket GTS

Does anyone know what there asking for the stage 3 kit?

[adr8]

NZ Autocar magazine times for the GTS.

0-100km/h in 4.13secs
80km/h-120km/h in 2.29secs

[BigAnt]

NZ Autocar magazine times for the GTS.

0-100km/h in 4.13secs
80km/h-120km/h in 2.29secs

4.13!? Thats an awesome time for such a big, heavy rwd car. Was this tested on a sticky drag-strip or on an airstrip or similar?

[50SHADES]

Actives VF SS Ute just ran 9.90@141mph first pass with a 6 speed auto

[XUV]

Actives VF SS Ute just ran 9.90@141mph first pass with a 6 speed auto
wow, :goodjob: but ,what a bugger as now ya gunna have to tick the "Roll cage" Option box , lol

[The_Senator]

I think it's just going to go back to being the workshop daily now.. It's done it's job of what it set out to do.. Fastest 6 speed VF..

Eddie rocked up with a Brand New VF SS Ute.. LS3 and 2.9ltr Whipple.. Chucked some sticky rubber on it.. Warmed the tyres .. staged... First pass it EVER did.. 9.90 @ 141mph..

[MARRA]

Hasnt been much info posted on VF GTS's Tune what what sort of RWKW they are getting?

[The_Senator]

Active Automotive GTS..

Tuned.. Pod intake... 10% Overdrive Ligenfelter Balancer.. Headers / hi-flow cats / exhaust... 641hp.... Best time, on OEM Street Tyres .. 10.4

[brasher]

Great vid from Motortrend


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYcQBN4DzXE

[HSV Listy]

Saw a youtube vid last night while looking at others stuff with a vf gts with a magnesium 2300 about 706hp

I searched again to get the link and it has gone or been renamed. Average video quality and only 1 minute long incase others have seen it.

Great power to go with all that grip and handling

[CLUBRED]

When did this happen...

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1452512_739532796060572_1028729544_n.jpg

[GTS LSA]

^ nice :up2sum: