Will there be a VF Series II

[VL Executive]

Due to Holden closing local manufacture in 2017. Will they bother releasing a Series II VF in the next couple of years. Or will they just keep the VF as it stands until the end.

Seriously thinking about buying a new VF SSV ute or sedan around 2016 / 17 and would be a bonus if series 2 was out by then if there is going to be one

[LJCHSV]

Due to Holden closing local manufacture in 2017. Will they bother releasing a Series II VF in the next couple of years. Or will they just keep the VF as it stands until the end.

Seriously thinking about buying a new VF SSV ute or sedan around 2016 / 17 and would be a bonus if series 2 was out by then if there is going to be one

yep..... & it will come with all the good stuff from the 'america's' parts bin that our series 1 cars should've come with but didn't.

[C4B]

I suspect it will depend on VF1 sales now the announcement has been made.

I wouldn't be surprised if sales bomb because people aren't confident about long term parts availability etc.

If that's the case and sales go through the floor, I wouldn't be surprised if they kill it off after VF1.

If you were the cynical type, you could even suggest they made the announcement now to speed up the demise.....

[Woodchukka]

[QUOTE=C4B;2102198If you were the cynical type, you could even suggest they made the announcement now to speed up the demise.....[/QUOTE]

Worked for the Mitsubishi 380. However the Falcon Ford killed off more subtly beforehand.

[Smitty]

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I wouldn't be surprised if sales bomb because people aren't confident about long term parts availability etc.
If that's the case and sales go through the floor, I wouldn't be surprised if they kill it off after VF1.
If you were the cynical type, you could even suggest they made the announcement now to speed up the demise.....

curious then... that Ford Falcon sales have jumped since they announced its demise

[CLUBRED]

It'll probably be VF-Z series...

[Jag530G]

Hopefully Holden could do a nice special edition to finish things off. Based on a Calais V V8, painted in "Gawler Cream" as per Holden No 1, with a unique colour leather interior, Caprice rear seat and rear DVD/TV system, Redline wheels and brakes, maybe even with the features of the Chev SS: L99 engine, flappy paddles and seat cooling.

Cheers, Matthew

[offshore]

As a tribute bring the base commodore out with the LSA engine haha.

[Jag530G]

I suspect it will depend on VF1 sales now the announcement has been made.

I wouldn't be surprised if sales bomb because people aren't confident about long term parts availability etc.

If that's the case and sales go through the floor, I wouldn't be surprised if they kill it off after VF1.

If you were the cynical type, you could even suggest they made the announcement now to speed up the demise.....

I don't think sales of the VF will dive much, in fact I think V8s will do better over the next four years abut it will be balanced out by the loss of V6 sales.

My predictions are that the Caprice will get killed off early, Holden doesn't export them to the Middle East anymore, the Chev Impala has that market now, so the volumes are pretty low. If the ute sells say 400 a month then it will stay until the end, if its sales drop to say 100-200 a month it might get killed off early, I could certainly see V6 utes being killed off and Holden just building V8 utes.

I expect to see a fair rationalisation of the product range as we get closer to the end, I think Holden will want to cut the model variations even further as suppliers close down. I can't see SS, SS-V and SS Redline all surviving to the end, probably cut down to SS and SS Redline. I could also see the Evoke being canned and the SV6 becoming the base model and the Calais/Calais V being cut to just the Calais V spec. I'd punt on manual V6s being canned too.

Cheers, Matthew

[jc_sv8]

I can see a parts bin special rather than a series 2. I'd love an LS3 Redline as my last Holden. :wave:

[Waughy]

Probably just do an update like they did with VZ (slight cosmetic changes and improvements) and have no official Series 2. Such a shame, the VF is a big step up from the VE, guess they saved the best 'til last. I wonder if we will ever see what was planned next for the Commodore, if anything.

[Jag530G]

I can see a parts bin special rather than a series 2. I'd love an LS3 Redline as my last Holden. :wave:

Yes, the model variation for the V8s is getting out of hand. Holden are currently building cars with five different V8s, L77 with/without DoD (for Holden), L99 (for Chev SS), LS3 (For HSV who then do two different states of tune) and LSA (for GTS). Perhaps the L77 with/without DoD, L99 and LS3 will all become the LT1 or just the L99/LS3 if Holden don't get the LT1.

Cheers, Matthew

[redvxr8clubby]

I suspect it will depend on VF1 sales now the announcement has been made.

I wouldn't be surprised if sales bomb because people aren't confident about long term parts availability etc.

If that's the case and sales go through the floor, I wouldn't be surprised if they kill it off after VF1.

If you were the cynical type, you could even suggest they made the announcement now to speed up the demise.....

With both Falcon and Commodore I have been asking myself the question about why did they make the announcement 3 and 4 years out. I was thinking the same about sales dropping as people are concerned about parts availability down the track. As much as I would like a new or near new V8 Commodore before closure, the parts issue would be a concern when you are shelling out at least $45K on a new car. There may be legislation that says parts should be available for 10 years, I suspect there will always be some parts that won't be available. I've noticed a Holden dealer near my work has number of Opels sitting in the yard, I would think they would need to offer very good prices to move them. While the engines might be same or similar as a Cruze, there many more parts to a car that might be needed one day.

[offshore]

They should go with mainly a more quality interior and to get closer to the German cars in materials and fit and finish and that bank vault like feel. The VF interior is nice but it still feels a bit cheap in comparison to some of the German cars and should I guess given the price difference. But it would be good to show the Germans we can do it to at a much lower price.

[jackvz]

I think Rare Spares will do a roaring trade after 2017

[Hi Octane]

I think parts will be the big thing, not driveline as such but interior parts, mirrors, trim pieces etc, Holden are'nt going to buy tonnes of spares, the company down the road wont be making a shit load of parts to store on the shelves, lots of the places will close due to loss of business & how will parts be available then, i know holden say they will supply parts for a long time but if the maker closes where will the parts come from, the suppliers will now have the attitude of F*** you holden.

[Jag530G]

This whole issue about parts is overblown. The only change after 2017 is that Holden won't be making cars in Australia, it will still be selling cars. How would the circumstances after 2017 be different to when the VZ went out of production in 2006/7? You could still get parts for a VZ long after Holden stopped building them, the same way you will still get parts for a VF long after Holden stop buildings them. The fact that Holden was still making cars in Australia was immaterial. It would be different if GM shut down its retail presence in Australia completely, that would be a bit iffy, but that isn't happening.

The VF is something like 50% foreign made parts anyway and a 4 year model run, plus carryover parts from the 7 year VE model run will mean a reasonable demand for the aftermarket to meet. The other good thing about the VF is that it has moved to global GM electronics, as well as GM powertrain, so a fair bit of the car is common to ther GM products.

Cheers, Matthew

[Hi Octane]

^^ So your saying the suppliers in australia that close down because holden is gone will still make parts? What about the company that does the trims, moulds, etc are they going to keep a supply around?

[Jag530G]

They're going to need a stock pile of parts to meet waranty claims as a minimum, a late 2017 Commodore will be covered by warranty until 2020 or even 2022 if they run a 5 year warranty campaign. Plus car makers have a statutory requirement to keep parts on hand for 6 years. Parts will be getting stockpiled and alternative suppliers found. Your point about parts suppliers closing down will be an issue even now, I can imagine quite a number of parts suppliers will close down well before 2017 so Holden will have to find alternative suppliers even in the time it is producing cars.

As a previous poster noted, Rare Spares will also be doing very well out of all this.

Cheers, Matthew

[C4B]

Repco will be rubbing their hands together too.