New Mustang "Pricing"?

[Pickles]

Latest edition of Wheels has a big article on the Mustang, which will be sold in Aus.
I can't believe the pricing...they are saying that the 5.0l 313KW V8 will sell for "APPROX $50K"..."FIFTY K"...I can't see it....That's over $20K cheaper than a Clubsport R8?!
Cheers, Pickles.

[offshore]

Latest edition of Wheels has a big article on the Mustang, which will be sold in Aus.
I can't believe the pricing...they are saying that the 5.0l 313KW V8 will sell for "APPROX $50K"..."FIFTY K"...I can't see it....That's over $20K cheaper than a Clubsport R8?!
Cheers, Pickles.

Be good if for once in our lives we pay similar prices to the US

[C4B]

They'll sell like hotcakes at that price.

Sadly, I don't believe for a second that's what the actual price will be.

[BigAnt]

I would have guessed around 80k for the V8. Can't think of any competitors to compare to unless they bring the Challenger here which I thought would probably be close to 60k depending on spec.
These are all just my own assumptions though.

[Drizt]

They'll sell like hotcakes at that price.

Sadly, I don't believe for a second that's what the actual price will be.

Agreed. I'd be lining up *for a second hand one two years after they come out*

[blackvussii]

They said when they announced it last year that because of the small rhd drive market they would be priced around 50k so that that can shift enough of them to make it worthwhile. They got burnt last time fpv overpriced them. They need to be competing with the SS not the hsv models.

[redvxr8clubby]

They'll sell like hotcakes at that price.

Sadly, I don't believe for a second that's what the actual price will be.

I agree, the magazines often run an article for a future release car and claim price will be $xyz and it never happens, they're just hoping to generate some interest and increase circulation with false claims that never eventuate. An exception could be Toyota 86 which come in under "expected" price.

[C4B]

I'd jump at a Challenger before a Corvette or Mustang. They look so tough!

[blackvussii]

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/pricing/

The base Gt which is what they are talking about $31695 US.
That is 2014 price but the new model will still be pretty close to that. I can see it happening for 50k or close to it. As I said they have gone to the trouble to engineer a rhd model, the market is very small world wide and it is a coupe so that limits them even more. They have to price them competitively or they wont sell.

[offshore]

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/trim/shelbygt500/

660HP not to bad.

[blackvussii]

We are reportedly getting 3 models: turbo 4, 5.0 v8 and the supercharged gt. The gt500 will take on hsv with the NA version being more in line with the SS etc... It makes sense, I just hope they dont get greedy.

[offshore]

We are reportedly getting 3 models: turbo 4, 5.0 v8 and the supercharged gt. The gt500 will take on hsv with the NA version being more in line with the SS etc... It makes sense, I just hope they dont get greedy.

Really dont know why any one would buy a 4cyl Mustang. Its like if Porsche brought out out 4cyl option for the 911 who would buy that?

[blackvussii]

Really dont know why any one would buy a 4cyl Mustang. Its like if Porsche brought out out 4cyl option for the 911 who would buy that?

Some latte sipping, tree hugging wanker will snap it up.
I guess most manufactures are moving towards smaller capacity, forced induction type engines. Wont appeal to traditionalists but have to move with the times as well.

[C4B]

....... Wont appeal to traditionalists but have to move with the times as well.

Exactly right. The Australian Car Industry is on its death bed because it refused to move with the times. Really the only innovation it showed was with the introduction of the Ford Territory. Holden had a crack at it with the Adventra, but it was too much Wagon and not enough SUV to ever succeed.

[GTS LSA]

I remember when they 1st said we were getting the GTR, 5 years ago or so, and they were quoting something like 100 to 120K, I even put a deposit down....complete BS though...... then add all the tax, levies, bit of extra profit etc = 180 to 200K

I will definitely look at one down the track but only if they bring in the "decent" models e.g. Shelby Supersnake / Boss 302 or similar spec.... I wouldn't buy a GT..... that's just me though

[Swordie]

Really dont know why any one would buy a 4cyl Mustang. Its like if Porsche brought out out 4cyl option for the 911 who would buy that?

The turbo 4 will have enough grunt. It appears better that Mustang's 6. It will probably similar to motor in Falcon. Part of buying the Mustang is for the art of the shape, it's a nice looking car. It will also be cheaper than the V8.

I wish Dodge would make a RHD Challenger.

[redvxr8clubby]

The turbo 4 will have enough grunt. It appears better that Mustang's 6. It will probably similar to motor in Falcon. Part of buying the Mustang is for the art of the shape, it's a nice looking car. It will also be cheaper than the V8.

I wish Dodge would make a RHD Challenger.

Agree pretty much that power wise the turbo 4 will be OK as a lower alternative to the V8, I think the Ford turbo 4's are very good engines. Even in a Falcon they get pretty good write ups, The 2 litre in the Focus ST is a good thing. Ultimately they are no substitute for a V8 of around 300Kw, but dependant on prices I think they will sell plenty of the turbo 4's.

[redvxr8clubby]

Latest edition of Wheels has a big article on the Mustang, which will be sold in Aus.
I can't believe the pricing...they are saying that the 5.0l 313KW V8 will sell for "APPROX $50K"..."FIFTY K"...I can't see it....That's over $20K cheaper than a Clubsport R8?!
Cheers, Pickles.

I doubt the V8 will be $50K either, but realistically if Chrysler can sell V8 300's here in the $50K bracket, presumably Ford can likewise sell a Mustang. From a manufacturing cost point of view I can't see the Mustang is any more expensive to build, unless perhaps Chrysler build a lot more 300's than Ford build Mustangs.
I think the magazines do exaggerate the prices pre release, but also don't forget they never talk drive away prices, this is manufactures price so dealer delivery plus rego costs to be added.

[desh]

Really dont know why any one would buy a 4cyl Mustang. Its like if Porsche brought out out 4cyl option for the 911 who would buy that?

Um, they did, shortly after the 911 was released. It was called the 912 - you can see a number of them running around, it is just that they look like a 911.

[Jag530G]

I doubt the V8 will be $50K either, but realistically if Chrysler can sell V8 300's here in the $50K bracket, presumably Ford can likewise sell a Mustang. From a manufacturing cost point of view I can't see the Mustang is any more expensive to build, unless perhaps Chrysler build a lot more 300's than Ford build Mustangs.
I think the magazines do exaggerate the prices pre release, but also don't forget they never talk drive away prices, this is manufactures price so dealer delivery plus rego costs to be added.

Ford might be prepared to lose a bit of margin on the Mustang and sell the V8 for $49,990 + ORCs as a means of generating some buzz. Let's face it, no car brand in Australia is in more dire need of some buzz than Ford. Look at the buzz Toyota generated with the $29,990 FT-86.

The other thing they could do is play the Euro game of having an attractive base price but sting you with options that no sane person would go without, that way everyone walks in the door wanting a $50K Mustang and drives out in a $70K optioned up version.


Cheers, Matthew

[Angeldust]

i think more likely the turbo 4 pot will be the 50K car, with the v8 probably closer to 70-80K, and the SC version even more....

[GTSLOVER]

The turbo 4 will have enough grunt. It appears better that Mustang's 6. It will probably similar to motor in Falcon. Part of buying the Mustang is for the art of the shape, it's a nice looking car. It will also be cheaper than the V8.

I wish Dodge would make a RHD Challenger.

Rumour is they are looking at it for the next gen Challenger due around 2016. Challenger, possibly charger and Durango SUV.

[planetdavo]

Exactly right. The Australian Car Industry is on its death bed because it refused to move with the times. Really the only innovation it showed was with the introduction of the Ford Territory. Holden had a crack at it with the Adventra, but it was too much Wagon and not enough SUV to ever succeed.

Australian car manufacturing is dying here because it's too expensive to do volume manufacturing here and the dollar is too high for much of an export market, but MOST IMPORTANTLY, in the face of claims about refusing to move with the times, they are limited BY THEIR HEAD OFFICES to product lines NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE in the overseas catalogues. Toyota will go for exactly the same reasons as above. Why would they continue making Camry/Aurion here when it costs roughly $3500-4000 LESS to bring them in from an existing Thailand plant!
Holden can't just produce a ground up smaller car or whatever just because they think they should! If US HQ says no, it means NO. So, they CAN'T "move with the times" unless HQ allows them. END OF STORY.
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Re the Mustang pricing at 50K, there's no hope in hell of a V8 one at that.
Even if Ford Aus "could", why would they. We are an overpaid nation with plenty of cashed up people that would be quite ok paying 10% or 20% above that, or even more.
It's become quite obvious with the explosion of (Australian business destroying) overseas internet shopping that many people want their cake and eat it too- and they want to transfer the same mentality to cars. Get paid a shetload, but pay the same price as other countries that get paid less.
The ONLY comparison to make is the comparison of average weekly earnings multiplied by the number of weeks required to buy something- adjusted if required for spec differences.
We, more often than not, end up not so "ripped off" when you compare like for like.

[C4B]

Australian car manufacturing is dying here because it's too expensive to do volume manufacturing here and the dollar is too high for much of an export market, but MOST IMPORTANTLY, in the face of claims about refusing to move with the times, they are limited BY THEIR HEAD OFFICES to product lines NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE in the overseas catalogues. Toyota will go for exactly the same reasons as above. Why would they continue making Camry/Aurion here when it costs roughly $3500-4000 LESS to bring them in from an existing Thailand plant!
Holden can't just produce a ground up smaller car or whatever just because they think they should! If US HQ says no, it means NO. So, they CAN'T "move with the times" unless HQ allows them. END OF STORY.

Change my "refused" to "weren't allowed" and the explanation is complete.

[JimmyXR6T04]

I can see the V8 being priced around the 50-55k mark. If they bring the GT500 then it will be the one priced about 70-75k. This pricing would be realistic. I doubt people will pay 70k for the NA V8. I'd pay 50k or so for the NA V8 and 70 or so for the SC V8.

[Smashfist]

Exactly right. The Australian Car Industry is on its death bed because it refused to move with the times. Really the only innovation it showed was with the introduction of the Ford Territory. Holden had a crack at it with the Adventra, but it was too much Wagon and not enough SUV to ever succeed.

I really don't get this statement. The Commodore is still in top 10, Cruze is in top 10 and both are locally manufactured. How is a top 10 seller "not with the times"? The problem is not that they aren't selling (or aren't moving with the times), the problem is that thanks to unions, it costs far too much to make a car here. Factory grunts are paid way too much thanks to the union movement - I'm not saying we should pay them peanuts but $60-$80k/yr for unskilled work is rediculous.

If Holden weren't losing money on each car they build then I would hazard they could keep building them here. What business would choose to continue making a product at a loss? I wouldn't.

[Marco]

You could also say that Holden could make money on local cars if it didn't have to compete with cheaper imported products - when we took delivery of our Cruze SRi I wondered how on earth Holden could sell me that car at $23,250 drive away when 12 years earlier I paid $26,500 for an Astra with far less equipment. Turns out they can't...but they had to just to compete with Thai-built stuff etc.

[planetdavo]

I really don't get this statement. The Commodore is still in top 10, Cruze is in top 10 and both are locally manufactured. How is a top 10 seller "not with the times"? The problem is not that they aren't selling (or aren't moving with the times), the problem is that thanks to unions, it costs far too much to make a car here. Factory grunts are paid way too much thanks to the union movement - I'm not saying we should pay them peanuts but $60-$80k/yr for unskilled work is rediculous.

If Holden weren't losing money on each car they build then I would hazard they could keep building them here. What business would choose to continue making a product at a loss? I wouldn't.

Exactly right. As we know though, well entrenched personal opinions on various topics can be mighty hard to break- no matter how much other "evidence" to the contrary is provided...
Various things have killed the local product. Power hungry unions winning members by forcing constant pay increases and penalties are just one of them. The (far too) high dollar is a big one, as it killed export markets and made imported competition (often from cheap to produce countries) cheaper and cheaper (but wont remain this way forever). All the good ol' Aussie bogans making money and wanting an imported badge to escape their common roots is also a factor, as are changing buyer habits in general (some but certainly not all related to the continual rise in fuel costs).
To pop a reality pill about how Holden's two locally produced cars are "not with the times", check out this year's top 10 best sellers to date!
For those that continue to avoid the realities of the current market, it is perhaps a good time to say that this year's top seller in the first ELEVEN months has about the same sales volume as VX Commodore had in a SIX month period- in a market that is now more than 10% bigger per annum that it was back then.
So, Commodore and Cruze in year to date volumes are behind 3 other small cars, and one commercial ute. They are ABOVE every other small, medium and large car, every other commercial vehicle, and every single small, medium and large SUV currently available! Yes, there has been a fundamental shift in the buying habits of Aussies over the last 10 years, but with Holden having imported GM products already covering the growing small, medium and large SUV market (Trax, Captiva and Colorado 7), the commercial market (Colorado) and medium car (Malibu), it's not like Holden had ready made holes to develop ground up new cars that "ARE with the times"!
Where were we?
Oh that's right, see the list below. To those that have slagged off the local products at ANY opporrtunity over the last couple of years, have a think about how many options are BEHIND the Commodore and Cruze in this list...;-)

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2013 to date

1.Toyota Corolla – 39,794
2.Mazda 3 – 38,060
3.Toyota HiLux –36,457
4.Hyundai i30 – 28,035
5.Holden Commodore – 25,218
6.Holden Cruze – 22,959
7.Nissan Navara – 22,177
8.Mitsubishi Triton – 21,491
9.Toyota Camry – 21,326
10.Ford Ranger – 20,111

[matthewfnorbert]

how would those figures look with government sales removed?

[Smashfist]

how would those figures look with government sales removed?

Not all that different going by the proportion of gov't cars I see in for servicing.

[Xjas]

Not all that different going by the proportion of gov't cars I see in for servicing.

I think you may be right, my old girl works for a gov't department that has a small fleet of primarily camrys and other imports with no commodores or falcons at all.

[Jag530G]

I think you may be right, my old girl works for a gov't department that has a small fleet of primarily camrys and other imports with no commodores or falcons at all.

And can you blame Governments from moving away from 6cyls? Why pay the extra operating costs of a 6 cyl when rarely do Gov operators need the space of a Falcon and Commodore, a Camry is big enough. IIRC the WA police stooped buying V8s, and looking by the number of 4 cyl Camry police cars in QLD, I suspect the QLD coppers don't buy V8s (or very few if they do) any more. The other thing that has hurt Holden and Ford has been the fall in resale values. The families that used to buy 2 year old Commodores and Falcons with a year left of warranty want 2 year old SUVs instead.

Cheers, Matthew

[IJ.]

50K may be valid .... until the Govt take their cut...

Once we have 0 manufacturing here there will be no reason for tarrifs but you can be 100% certain they will still be in place.

Can't remember a tax ever being implemented then removed.