X-force exhaust systems

[willow1990]

Hello,

I'm new all this so bear with me..
I have a VE maloo e3 im thinking off putting a exhaust on it I was going to take the back mufflers off and just ran straight pipe with tips the cheapest place I found (with nice tips) is $450
that got me thinking so I jump on ebay and found a complete 2.5 x-force exhaust system (brand new) for $600 for ve ss and sv6 utes
my question is will this fit my maloo??

I've attached the link if anyone can help that would be awesome!!

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VE-SS-SV6-Ute-Twin-2-1-2-Catback-X-Force-System-Mild-Steel-/151030979814?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item232a25dce6

[jaykay]

Send the seller an email and ask them...my thoughts it should but then i have a VF and some sellers say a certain catback will fit where others tell me it won't.

Is your auto or manual ? Be careful of the dreaded drone.....

[Micks]

I have the Xforce & I'm happy with it. They do cackle & fart a bit regardless of the Tune! Some people hate em but each to their own!!

[jackvz]

I have an XFORCE too and its a good system ,but the only thing I would question is are you running the HSV headers and Cats ,as they maybe different to the SS. I would assume they are ,so I would ask the seller or go to the XFORCE website for more info ,before you part with your hard earned.

[Micks]

I have an XFORCE too and its a good system ,but the only thing I would question is are you running the HSV headers and Cats ,as they maybe different to the SS. I would assume they are ,so I would ask the seller or go to the XFORCE website for more info ,before you part with your hard earned.
Don't know if everyone agrees but the majority of the HSV headers Ive seen are removed & lying on workshop floors!! Certainly so in the VE series!

[Drizt]

Apparently the HSV headers are ok if you modify the pre cat (not sure what that is). There is some 'pre cat' part that is only 1-3/4" thick (which sounds ridiculously stupid to me). If you take that our and put in a bigger bit, apparently its no longer much of a restriction.

Edit: Here is the pic from Pir4tes build on JC.

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[Micks]

I know there ok, you just have to look @ most crate engines have stock cast manifolds! So do the LSA's.
My point is too much trouble to change stock pipes to HSV to pick up a coupla rwkw or poss better sound!

[Wonky]

My strong advice is to listen to some X-Force systems before parting with your hard earned as X-Force (AKA X-Farce/X-Drone) typically have a very distinctive hollow/raspy/barky sound that many people (inc myself) don't like. I've only ever heard one X-Force I didn't mind and that was a 2.5" on an SSV ute. Very quiet until he floored it when it sounded very nice! :yup: At the former sponsor many of us used to meet at on a Saturday arvo most of us could pick an X-Force as soon as it idled in.

You've got a great car which obviously wasn't cheap - why put on an el-cheapo exhaust?

It should fit as HSV headers/cats finish exactly where SS/SSV headers/cats do, though there may be some mucking around to retain the standard E3 tips.

[Drizt]

If looking to save money, have a look at manta over X force

[Wonky]

From what I've seen Manta aren't all that cheap??? :confused: Only ever knowingly been in one car with a Manta - JKGMH's old VE SSV cammed sedan with 3" Manta - sounded very nice!!

[Micks]

My strong advice is to listen to some X-Force systems before parting with your hard earned as X-Force (AKA X-Farce/X-Drone) typically have a very distinctive hollow/raspy/barky sound that many people (inc myself) don't like. I've only ever heard one X-Force I didn't mind and that was a 2.5" on an SSV ute. Very quiet until he floored it when it sounded very nice! :yup: At the former sponsor many of us used to meet at on a Saturday arvo most of us could pick an X-Force as soon as it idled in.

You've got a great car which obviously wasn't cheap - why put on an el-cheapo exhaust?

It should fit as HSV headers/cats finish exactly where SS/SSV headers/cats do, though there may be some mucking around to retain the standard E3 tips.

Yes they are cheaper & don't suit all cars, but they do perform!! Mine sounds good 2.5" staino on an L98, doesn't drone either! as above each to their own!

[GR346]

As Micks and Wonk have stated, go and have a listen to each system, I'm sure there's people on here that live near you. there's also a stack of vids on youtube for various systems. I had a listen to a couple before deciding on mine and I'm glad I did as I bought my system with no concerns on how it would sound.
Do it once and do it right ;)

[jackvz]

I have a mix of XFORCE and DFE. The DFE is the headers and cats ,then XFORCE from cat back and I am happy with this combo and no drone. I also have mild steel XFORCE as the stainless steel sound too tiny IMO.

[jaykay]

If looking to save money, have a look at manta over X force

You mean x force over manta ? Manta are not a cheap system...

[Drizt]

I meant manta are on the cheaper side of Kpm df etc but not as nasty as X force.

[bozodos]

My strong advice is to listen to some X-Force systems before parting with your hard earned as X-Force (AKA X-Farce/X-Drone) typically have a very distinctive hollow/raspy/barky sound that many people (inc myself) don't like. I've only ever heard one X-Force I didn't mind and that was a 2.5" on an SSV ute. Very quiet until he floored it when it sounded very nice! :yup: At the former sponsor many of us used to meet at on a Saturday arvo most of us could pick an X-Force as soon as it idled in.

You've got a great car which obviously wasn't cheap - why put on an el-cheapo exhaust?

It should fit as HSV headers/cats finish exactly where SS/SSV headers/cats do, though there may be some mucking around to retain the standard E3 tips.

I'm surprised the thread lasted this long before an Xforce bashing post. Not everyone is happy to drop 3.5k plus on a catback Wonky, I don't mind the VE XForce note to be honest, big improvement on the VT-VZ (until you change the merge). I reckon some of it is people justifying why they spent big dollars on pipes.

Get a twin 3" don't bother with 2.5". The Xforce system should also fit under that cross brace that goes under the exhaust.

Manta are mid range, the videos I've heard of them they don't sound all that much different to Xforce to my ears.

[team illucid]

I have a Sureflo All singing and dancing twin 3" stainless setup that doesn't see much change from 4K, and I also have a dual 3" xforce catback with hooker mufflers, which was only $500. The xforce is as good a system, as good a fit, and sounds deeper with more balls. I don't try to justify the Sureflo cost, but I believe that the VE systems are massively overcharged and owners gouged unnecessarily because they can afford more expensive vehicles in the first place. Will I ever pay 4K again? F**k no.

[zorro]

Xforce are an awesome bang for buck system, no question

[blackvussii]

I've got a manta 2.5 dual with straight throughs and no rear resonators with x force 1 3/4 headers. Sounds great. I think the other systems are way too dear as well. Wouldn't hesitate to go all xforce in the future. They perform well and I'd rather spend the extra coin somewhere else.

[white lie]

I'd never go back to an X Force system after changing to my Pacie/twin 3" manta system. The xforce that was on there was droney as hell and didn't sound anywhere near as good.

That said, the E series do sound better than VT-VZ xforce systems.

[Micks]

I'd never go back to an X Force system after changing to my Pacie/twin 3" manta system. The xforce that was on there was droney as hell and didn't sound anywhere near as good.

That said, the E series do sound better than VT-VZ xforce systems.

The Staino Xforce on my VZ L98 sounds pretty good to me!! ;)

[Smashfist]

I'd never go back to an X Force system after changing to my Pacie/twin 3" manta system. The xforce that was on there was droney as hell and didn't sound anywhere near as good.

That said, the E series do sound better than VT-VZ xforce systems.

Did you have a full X-force before going to a Pacemaker header/manta catback? If you had factory headers and you changed the lot out, it's hardly fair to bash the X-force for poor sound. My VY with factory headers and cats with a twin 3" X-force sounded like poo - droned badly, sounded hollow, all it really gave me was volume. Threw on some X-force headers and cats and I get a lot of people commenting on how good it sounds, and my total cost on the entire system (headers, 3" stainless cats, stainless twin 3") is about $2200. You can't even buy a catback from the more recommended vendors for that sort of coin.

[Wonky]

I wasn't trying to bash X-Force systems per se as I know some people love them and they're cheap, so if someone has an X-Force they love then it's win-win! :yup:

What I was saying is that they typically have a distinct, unique sound so it's best before spending your hard earned on them to ensure you like that particular sound.

[Micks]

I wasn't trying to bash X-Force systems per se as I know some people love them and they're cheap, so if someone has an X-Force they love then it's win-win! :yup:

What I was saying is that they typically have a distinct, unique sound so it's best before spending your hard earned on them to ensure you like that particular sound.

Also Gaz, were not all as well off as you mate ;)

[VBhero]

You get what you pay for in the end...

[whitels1ss]

You get what you pay for in the end...
No mate, if you think the more you pay or the most expensive is the "best" you are kidding yourself.

[Wonky]

Also Gaz, were not all as well off as you mate ;)

I was fortunate enough to get the original KPM at significantly reduced price due to the way things worked out (original catback only, one of the very first they ever did, droned badly and in true customer service fashion they looked after me and more :goodjob:). When I sold the sedan I was going to just put on an X-Force and keep the KPM for the ute but the guy loved it so much he paid me an extra $2,000 to leave it on so I had a good start to the next one. Now I've not been able to work for years I certainly couldn't afford it again even though I love it!! :drool:

[Micks]

Yes the sound is one thing but performance is another, horses for courses!

[Micks]

I was fortunate enough to get the original KPM at significantly reduced price due to the way things worked out (original catback only, one of the very first they ever did, droned badly and in true customer service fashion they looked after me and more :goodjob:). When I sold the sedan I was going to just put on an X-Force and keep the KPM for the ute but the guy loved it so much he paid me an extra $2,000 to leave it on so I had a good start to the next one. Now I've not been able to work for years I certainly couldn't afford it again even though I love it!! :drool:

All good Gaz, you have a lovely ute/ride! :drool:

[VBhero]

No mate, if you think the more you pay or the most expensive is the "best" you are kidding yourself.

True, but quite often the cheaper stuff is not the bargain you thought it to be either... Its a balance between quality and cost.
as with everything out there buyer beware.

[Micks]

True, but quite often the cheaper stuff is not the bargain you thought it to be either... Its a balance between quality and cost.
as with everything out there buyer beware.
No a "compromise" @ the end of day is up to buyer & if it meets their expectations, so be it!!

[bozodos]

a simple merge pipe change totally changed the note on my XForce system - I know the type of note you're talking about Wonky, and I'd associate it more with the Redback / systems fitted to the US GTOs (as they all love the raspy as shit sound).

Given your posts on every other thread about this brand of exhaust, of course most would see it as 'bashing'. When a stainless steel dual system for a VE costs the same as what you'd pay for a dual full titanium system for an R35 GT-R ex Japan, it really makes you wonder.

[Souljah]

I've had an x-force twin 3" on my VY ute for about 2 years now. For the price i can't fault it's performance but the sound is nothing but a boomy drone in the cabin.
Will be switching back to a twin 2.5" DF which will be a little more quieter for daily duties.

[amckiwi]

Over the years of exhaust threads there has been a number of people who have brought at the cheaper end of the market then gone and replaced with something more expensive.
We provide our opinions "facts" rumors and the OP makes his mind up, no bashing from where I am.
After weighing up all the info and listening to many exhausts at the former sponsors workshop I went with an HM Perry 2.5 catback, I was lucky enough to find one new on ebay for circa $1,000.
I then got paccies & 100cpi cats and had the former workshop's welding guru make them work together (which took a few hours) so I have a custom system that cannot be heard at 100ks when cruising and has a nice not that does not rattle windows it is also made with quality products that i know will last as I do not do many k's a year in the ute and will own it a long time.
Stu

[mechatron]

I've been through quite a few exhaust combos over the last 10 yrs on my cammed VY and the latest combo sounds pretty damn good...it's deep, pretty loud and doesn't really drone...well if it does...it certainly doesn't annoy me. This combo is DF 1 3/4" headers, 100cpi Ballistic cats and a mild steel twin 3" Xforce exhaust. I've had this combo for a few years now and I'm still very happy with it.

The funny thing is that I really wanted to try a twin 3" exhaust but I was really worried about losing torque down low so I decided to try a Xforce because it was so damn cheap. Choices for off the shelf twin 3" exhausts are pretty limited...it's either Xforce ($500) or DF ($1800)...so I thought I'd just try the cheaper option and if I didn't lose any noticeable torque I would eventually buy a DF twin 3" exhaust. But like most people say $1800 is a hell of a lot of money for pipes ...so I've just stuck with the Xforce.

There are a lot of Xforce haters on here for the VT-VZ & VE, but I reckon if you get the right combo and don't use all Xforce products from engine to tips, you can get good performance and a pretty good note too.

[bozodos]

I suppose that's also true - I use Pacemaker 1 3/4 and Ballistic cats up the front - the collectors on the XForce extractors seemed to be too long.

The noise is of course subjective - I find my setup fine with a cam, it's only late at night when I'm trying to sneak home that it's too loud :D

[sjhugh]

I’ve had DF, Hurricane, Walkinshaw and X-Force all on VE’s, all Stainless and all made reasonably compatible power on tuned cars.

DF 4 into 1 - 1 7/8”, 200cpi Cats with a 2 1/2“ DF Catback.
Hurricane 4 into 1 – 1 7/8”, 200cpi Cats with a 2 1/2” Hurricane Catback.
HSV Headers & Cats with a 2 1/2” Walkinshaw Catback.
CHE 4 into 1 – 1 7/8”, 100cpi Cats with a 3” X-Force Catback.

The Hurricane is a great system and I’d happily recommend it to anyone for quality, fit and sound.

The DF was severely let down by the 4 into 1’s hanging too low and scraping everything. Hopefully they’re fixed that.

The Walkinshaw Catback was a non-event as far as exhaust note was concerned.

My favourite though is the CHE 4 into 1’s with the X-force Catback simply because of value for money and secondly because I think it sounds good and I like the look and quality of the 3”pipes.



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[flukeyluke]

So to pick a cat back system for my Redline, is it recommended to go to the various dealers and have a listen?
Are YouTube videos a true representation of how a car sounds?

[white lie]

IMO no. Camera sound quality varies a lot more than picture quality.
Listen to as many as you can, with similar mods as to what you want to end up with and let your ears decide

[Wonky]

IMO no. Camera sound quality varies a lot more than picture quality.
Listen to as many as you can, with similar mods as to what you want to end up with and let your ears decide

..... but flukeyluke and others, don't be misled by cammed cars and cars with extractors if you're only after a catback because cams and extractors (with or without high flow cats) can each markedly change the quality and loudness/deepness of an exhaust note. :yup:

[flukeyluke]

..... but flukeyluke and others, don't be misled by cammed cars and cars with extractors if you're only after a catback because cams and extractors (with or without high flow cats) can each markedly change the quality and loudness/deepness of an exhaust note. :yup:
Yeah, I get that.
The VF is just too quiet fort me so I am just after a nice sounding V8.

[Crusty]

I've currently got a 2.5" X-force and 100cpi Ballistic cats and am very happy with the note on my Manual VF Redline.

[jaykay]

I've currently got a 2.5" X-force and 100cpi Ballistic cats and am very happy with the note on my Manual VF Redline.

Headers changed ?

[Crusty]

Headers changed ?

Nah I started with just the Cat-Back and decided I wanted a little more bark to the note so changed the Cats, I find that headers don't make enough bang for the buck for me. I'm getting it tuned this week too :)

[Thunder]

Bang for buck, you can't beat X-Force, and if I could get some of their workers that tig welded like robots for a bowl of rice a day, I'd be laughing as well.
X-Force are usually the first to the market and for the price, their quality is great.

No matter what brand of exhaust, they are either made in Asia, or made from Asian components.

Someone mentioned the Sureflo setup was over $4k, which is wrong.
Our stainless 1-7/8" 4>1 extractors with 5" body flanged ballistic 100cpsi racing cats are $1490 and our dual 3" completely straight through, stainless, no drone system is $1500 - so change from $3k.

Dual 3" picks up 16 - 20rwkw on a stock car, whereas the dual 2.5" is lucky to pick up 6rwkw.
Our system is no drone without sacrificing performance.
Auto with AFM is very minimal drone and AFM is hardly noticeable - check the video clips, and remember, our system is completely straight through.

If you check the Sureflo exhaust Facebook page or Youtube, I posted 3 video clips of a STREET LEGAL dual 3", completely straight through, no drone system on a VF. It is under 90db, sounds great, not too loud, completely legal, and performs great.

We make the systems to order as we have different loudnesses, and at the moment we are trying to get our jigs sorted.

Cheers
Greg

[Crusty]

Ended up with 269 RWKW after OTR and conservative tune (17 degrees advance only).

[Crusty]

Dual 3" picks up 16 - 20rwkw on a stock car, whereas the dual 2.5" is lucky to pick up 6rwkw.


Is that based on the Sureflo systems as mine pulled 252rwkw with only dual 2.5" X-Force and 100cpi cats which I think is pretty healthy :)

[RED R8]

I noticed the 3" Xforce catback for the VE/VF's has a single outlet from the rear muffler? is this new? Can anyone confirm (real life experience) not an opinion if the 3" cutback will drone badly on a VF Redline Auto?