Vic/NSW Rego

[storm vy]

Hey Guys, got a bit of a tricky question in regards to rego, been trying to get onto Vic roads but being they shut their doors half hr earlier than normal close of business and every time i ring i get the msg that they're experiencing high traffic and to ring back later, i havnt been able to get onto them as yet so thought id see if anyone here has any idea!
Living on the NSW side of the NSW/Vic Border and with vic rego being half the price of nsw i've got my car registered in Vic. I spoke to vic roads about it probably 3 yrs ago now and they said if its garaged in Vic thats where you register it, had an address in vic to keep it (got a work car so dont need it during the week) so no dramas, they gave me a form to declare its garaged there and got it signed by the owner of the place in Vic, all no dramas and has been registered there since.
Now on Friday night was driving home fairly late and got pulled into a breatho, no stress, being a non drinker i'm often the designated driver so go through plenty of breathos no dramas.
Except this time the copper insisted my car was unregistered! I explained to him what the go was but he wasn't interested in what i had to say and went and wrote me out a nice $607 fine for being unregistered! I explained to him again what the go was and his response was NSW license Must have NSW rego, so i asked why vic roads would tell me otherwise and his response was "just so they get more money out of you".. surely that cant be right? how can vic roads let me do it if its so obviously Illegal as the copper exclaimed?
Has anyone had any experience in this? Who's telling me the wrong Thing?? Not real happy with a $607 fine for unregistered when i've been paying rego for it!
And just for the record although not real happy about it i was polite and respectful to the copper the whole time so not just a matter of failing the 'attitude test'

[feistl]

I would take it to court. What if you were borrowing my car (as a victorian registration)? If the car is registered it shouldn't matter....

[storm vy]

Its more because it registered in my name with a NSW license.

[jc_sv8]

I may have had a WA license and rego for the 5 years when I lived in Sydney. Never saw any police on the lower north shore so no problems.
Sounds like you've uncovered a can of worms. Now you'll be bounced back and forward between state bureaucracies. Just remember to keep smiling. :argue:

[Luminous]

I have a similar scenario. I have a QLD license but one of my cars is still registered in NSW. There was one time when I was registering it over the phone, the woman mentioned that the car's address and my license did not match. I asked her if this was illegal, and she said no, but if I am pulled over by cops they might hassle me about it...

I will be interested to see what comes of this as it sounds like the copper isn't fully aware of what the deal is.

[skilly]

It's all in the first few lines:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registration/getnewrego/interstatevehicles.html

[macca_779]

My car is garaged in Vic also. I have a bike registered in NSW and have a NSW licence. My bike is my daily as my car is "stored" in Vic at my parents place most of the time. Its just a coincidence that I always seem to get RBT's on the off chance I have my car in NSW.

[GTSLOVER]

Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it

[XUV]

Normally they'd give you 3 months to rego it in N.S.W. if that's where you work.

Well they use too, as I've received many warnings when i'd come up from Melbourne and subby for my dad, that was 20 yrs ago, but the laws a bit anal now.

They know you're scamming, I mean defrauding , I mean living in N.S.W. , so for the sake of cheap rego you probably get a mexican license or rego your car in N.S.W.

You could try writing them a letter , but you'd incriminate yourself explaining how VicRoads told you it was o.k. to rego in vic while living in N.S.W. .......For the last 3 yrs

[IJ.]

I'd be getting real legal advice, this could go quite badly...

[Toddler78]

What a crock of shit. you could easily have a holiday home in vic and have that vehicle there, but you main residence is NSW. geez the border isnt north and south korea

[seedyrom]

The point is that he is using his vehicle exclusively or close to it (at least thats what his residence would suggest) ... But not paying for NSW road maintenance, safety initiatives and CTP for accident victims in NSW.

[XUV]

What a crock of shit. you could easily have a holiday home in vic and have that vehicle there, but you main residence is NSW. geez the border isnt north and south korea
yes, you can, many do and that would be legit.

As for the nth/sth korea reference , Oz boarders can be trickier , ( I instantly think of the railroad debacle, lol )
as i was told to go to tweed heads to renew my security licence , thing is I was living in Cairns at the time.

[andrewslr]

I have always been of the belief that the car is privately registered, it should be to the same address as that which appears on your driver's licence. Given the disparity in comments here we are all likely misinformed. As already suggested, seek legal advice as you risk digging yourself into a bigger hole.

[toey]

Are we talking albury/wadonga north/south of the boarder or a bit more distance between the two places? My first port of call would be Vic roads to confirm the car is registered n not cancelled for whatever reason. Once that is established then contact rms proving it is actually registered and ask for it to be reviewed. If you have no luck there seek some proper legal advice then go from there.

In all honesty is it really worth the hassle for the money saved? You will keep getting the same treatment over this issue by the cops n going to court May result in just more costs on top of the fine

[HSVREDSLED]

Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it

You would think that the 'border town' HWP folk would have a reasonable idea of the success rate of such TINs before the local magistrate? Working in Albury, they would see this thing everyday and once one was thrown out, don't you think the magistrate would go ballistic if he/she kept seeing these matters before the court?

[HSVREDSLED]

If it is the case that you have a car registered in any state and live in another, then the price of some NSW registered used cars will drop in the ass for sure. Reason being, some cars can never be registered in NSW yet easily get registered in other states, meaning the price of certain cars WITH NSW rego is traditionally so much more!

I face this issue everyday when looking at my wishlist.

[GTSLOVER]

You would think that the 'border town' HWP folk would have a reasonable idea of the success rate of such TINs before the local magistrate? Working in Albury, they would see this thing everyday and once one was thrown out, don't you think the magistrate would go ballistic if he/she kept seeing these matters before the court?

Half of the time these stuff ups dont see the magistrate. More often than not the matter will be dropped on the morning of the hearing or not even make it past the first mention date as the prosecutor will decide not to pursue the matter past a mention date or not to take the matter to hearing and risk costs being awarded against the Police. You would think local HWP would know but as I said the calibre of HWP officers has gone downhill fast. Every matter wont be the same anyway. The circumstances around it will change leaving The law open to interpretation and requiring adjudication by a magistrate either based on precedent if there is one or, as said the interpretation of the legislation by a magistrate.

The amount of TINs and RINs that are not proceeded with at court is unbelievable these days.

[storm vy]

Are we talking albury/wadonga north/south of the boarder or a bit more distance between the two places? My first port of call would be Vic roads to confirm the car is registered n not cancelled for whatever reason. Once that is established then contact rms proving it is actually registered and ask for it to be reviewed. If you have no luck there seek some proper legal advice then go from there.

In all honesty is it really worth the hassle for the money saved? You will keep getting the same treatment over this issue by the cops n going to court May result in just more costs on top of the fine
Yep, live in Albury, Garaged in Wodonga. Didn't see it being a hassle as i didn't expect to get fined but we'll see how this goes as to where its stays registered.

It's all in the first few lines:

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registration/getnewrego/interstatevehicles.html
One line in particular there sparks interest "Note: These are indications only and are not prescribed in law."

My car is garaged in Vic also. I have a bike registered in NSW and have a NSW licence. My bike is my daily as my car is "stored" in Vic at my parents place most of the time. Its just a coincidence that I always seem to get RBT's on the off chance I have my car in NSW.
Ever been hassled about it?

Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it
Cheers for the info, good to know.

Normally they'd give you 3 months to rego it in N.S.W. if that's where you work.

Well they use too, as I've received many warnings when i'd come up from Melbourne and subby for my dad, that was 20 yrs ago, but the laws a bit anal now.

They know you're scamming, I mean defrauding , I mean living in N.S.W. , so for the sake of cheap rego you probably get a mexican license or rego your car in N.S.W.

You could try writing them a letter , but you'd incriminate yourself explaining how VicRoads told you it was o.k. to rego in vic while living in N.S.W. .......For the last 3 yrs
Its not exactly 'scamming' though when i'm transparent in what i'm doing ie keeping it in vic so i can register it in vic, within vicroads regulations. But yeah i can see why they'd have issue with it.


Ok so went into Vic roads today and spoke with one of the more senior workers there, he said that within their regulations if its garaged in vic it should be registered in vic and what i'm doing is completely legal in their books as long as i can declare that its garaged in vic, which i can. I asked if i could find it in writing somewhere, so he went on to look it up in their book of road safety regulations and photo copied the page for me, was actually very helpful and went out of his way to find it for me.
So from here i'll write a letter to the RMS with all the relevant info and see how that goes, if that fails i'll re-assess whether i take it any further or just cop it on the chin and get on with my life.
Cheers for everybodies input and will keep you all updated!

[matthewfnorbert]

he said, she said...... thats does not matter.
your intent was to sidestep the law, it will likely be seen that way.
pay the fine, rego in correct state and you will not get this hassle/stress/cost again.
you make your own luck

[storm vy]

yeah fair enough, don't get me wrong i'm not here claiming it's all bullsh!t and hell bent on fighting it, i get how i ended up in this situation. Whilst yes i was trying to get in the situation that was most advantages to me, my intention was to do it within the law, and from all the advice and info i had gotten from vic roads that was the case. It is garaged in victoria and does spend most of its time in vic. Obviously this fine has thrown a spanner in the works which is why i'm looking for as much info as i can just to see where i stand. Having vic roads tell me that they believe i'm within the law is enough for me to at least write a letter to see if i can get the fine revoked. $607 isnt exactly a small fine so if theres a chance of avoiding it by writing a letter i'll give it a shot, if it gets knocked back like i said i'll most likely just pay it and move on. Will hopefully be updating my car shortly and the new one will be registered in NSW to avoid these issues!

[vy2ttr]

I wouldn't be paying it, just because some stupid cop thought you were doing wrong.

As stated above that is half the problem with our cops nowdays, they have no idea about the law.

Wonder why most people have zero respect for them.

[lumina ss]

Every one of us wants to minimize our expenses by any legal method we can, ive done the same thing you have, as would anyone. It wont cost you anything but pen ink and time to contest any fine so go for it. Any one who questions your motives, well does it really matter if your motivation and action is legal? Jealousy is a curse.

[jamesdriver]

I have done the same but with South Australia rego, without any dramas. though a few years ago my brother was doing the same thing and the cops said he will fine him for being unrego'd if he see's the car again never got pulled up after that.

[matthewfnorbert]

..........half the problem with our cops nowdays, they have no idea about the law.

Wonder why most people have zero respect for them.

most people?

i think you will find most people respect the police.

[lumina ss]

Maybe on planet mathew

[Souljah]

Not his fault there is an obvious grey area which can be exploited to his advantage.

[vy2ttr]

most people?

i think you will find most people respect the police.

I should have stated just HWP. Other police, general duties, drug squad, the d's,swat, etc, I have no problem with. just the douchebags in hwp that generally seem to be the lower end of the gene pool. Even most police I deal with thru work think the hwp are idiots... go figure...

[seldo]

I should have stated just HWP. Other police, general duties, drug squad, the d's,swat, etc, I have no problem with. just the douchebags in hwp that generally seem to be the lower end of the gene pool. Even most police I deal with thru work think the hwp are idiots... go figure...Very sweeping.....:teach:

[Woodchukka]

I have never had an issue with the HWP but have with general duties but only once. They were quite abusive to myself and my wife (who was driving on her L plates at the time). I went to the station and made a complaint on that occasion. As a general statement the problem is cops get tired of copping abuse from fools and some then take that out on someone that really does not deserve it. Will be interesting to see how this ends up.

[bozodos]

haha what a joke.

I've had the last two cars I've owned registered in Vic but living in NSW (just over the river from Mildura), but I had my licence over there too. Never had any dramas. All of my voting etc was still in NSW. Less than half the price for rego and licencing IIRC. I live over in Vic now so it's no longer an issue.

I did have the NSW HWP pull me over once to ask me "how long had I been living in NSW". I smartly replied that I was visiting my parents over there, there wasn't much he could do apart from go over the car looking for anything defectable and give me daggers.
Everyone does it here, and hilariously half of the cars in Mildura are registered in SA to avoid roadworthies, or licences are held over there due to losing them in Vic for various reasons.

[planetdavo]

End of the day, if you can afford to dispute it in court, you can pursue that option by not admitting guilt through not paying the fine.
If you either realise that you are "technically" in the wrong or can't afford risking bigger expenses again if you lose in court, perhaps it's best considered as "a lesson learnt" and move on.
Like has been said though, whichever way you go, you may have the right to query it in writing without a court being involved, and see what comes back. I'm not familiar enough with NSW laws to know if they give you the right to query it in writing, or that right is actually you taking it to court, with no other prior options available.
It could be a very important point to know.

[planetdavo]

haha what a joke.

I've had the last two cars I've owned registered in Vic but living in NSW (just over the river from Mildura), but I had my licence over there too. Never had any dramas. All of my voting etc was still in NSW. Less than half the price for rego and licencing IIRC. I live over in Vic now so it's no longer an issue.

I did have the NSW HWP pull me over once to ask me "how long had I been living in NSW". I smartly replied that I was visiting my parents over there, there wasn't much he could do apart from go over the car looking for anything defectable and give me daggers.
Everyone does it here, and hilariously half of the cars in Mildura are registered in SA to avoid roadworthies, or licences are held over there due to losing them in Vic for various reasons.

Might be why the OP is in the spot he's in. The government knows the practice is rife, and has instructed the force to target it...

[XUV]

Might be why the OP is in the spot he's in. The government knows the practice is rife, and has instructed the force to target it...
It's always been targeted, every now and then there's a bit in the local rag, with a picture of a Police Officer saying how naughty it is.

[planetdavo]

It's always been targeted, every now and then there's a bit in the local rag, with a picture of a Police Officer saying how naughty it is.

I wasn't surprised with the suggestion that VicRoads are "ok" with it.
Why would they be? As long as he doesn't hurt himself too often, Victoria gets NSW's money!

[XUV]

Victoria gets NSW's money!

yeah, a bit like what Sydney does to Southern N.S.W. ..........

[IJ.]

I wasn't surprised with the suggestion that VicRoads are "ok" with it.
Why would they be? As long as he doesn't hurt himself too often, Victoria gets NSW's money!
Well I guess that's fair seeing as Vic have carried NSW for such a large part of the time since White settlement ;)

[XUV]

Well I guess that's fair seeing as Vic have carried NSW for such a large part of the time since White settlement ;)
oh, he's a funny bugger when he has nothing to do :p

[Micks]

Well I guess that's fair seeing as Vic have carried NSW for such a large part of the time since White settlement ;)
Look out I need to :spew::rolleyes:

[Jag530G]

I'm curious about how this goes because here in Noosa there a few people who live interstate and have a holiday home here with a car parked in the garage (Golfs and Minis seem to be the popular option). I can't imagine someone from Vic would have their Noosa car registered in Vic because that is their address on their licence, surely the rego would be where the car is garaged?

Cheers, Matthew

[seldo]

Just thinking about this again, and if the OP has been charged with his car being "unregistered", I doubt it would stand up in court.
The car is actually registered, but in Vic, and the registration is valid in all states and territories in Aust, so I feel that the cop may have breached you for the wrong offence.
Since, in order to get it registered you have to make a declaration that the facts are as stated, I would think that the charge, if any, should be "make false declaration".
But - I'm not a lawyer...well... a bush one maybe...
For a $600 fine, I'd spend another couple of hundred and get some actual legal advice.

[IJ.]

Look out I need to :spew::rolleyes:
Do some research Mick, I wasn't joking ;)

[Micks]

Do some research Mick, I wasn't joking ;)
You want me to research!!!

[bozodos]

Might be why the OP is in the spot he's in. The government knows the practice is rife, and has instructed the force to target it...

maybe, but it still goes on here, and as far as I know, it's never been targeted much by the cops. When I signed over to Vic in 2008, all I needed was a photocopied form, signed by a Vic licence holder stating that I lived where I claimed, and that they'd known me for a year. Not a Stat Dec or anything like that. Rego transferred over without needing an RWC either.

Amusingly the local MP is facing court over having his Vic licenced firearms stored in his NSW property, as they are not 'registered' in NSW or something like that.

[planetdavo]

It's going to need a lawyer, as this one pretty clearly debates points of law. Do a google on this sort of subject and there are all sorts of answers, half answers and best guess-timates that would take a full day to read through- with still no real idea of whether you are in the right or the wrong. This current one certainly doesn't look CLOSE to being the first time someone has been fined for being "unregistered" in NSW due to having lived there long term but having maintained interstate rego for financial benefit.
It's pretty obvious that this (current) scenario was done with full knowledge that it goes against either the law or the intent of the laws of the state of NSW, and that the OP is guilty of something with his actions.
The rest is why most lawyers are "doing ok"...;)

[storm vy]

Okay so an update, or lack there of! due to a ridiculously busy couple of weeks at work, and the fact that for whatever reason i had in my head that i had 28 days to contest the fine when in reality i only had 21! it seems i have missed doing anything about it by a few days, so looks like i'm up the proverbial creek!
So obviously now i have no other option other than to just pay the fine and move on. I think i'm more p!ssed that i now won't know what the outcome would've been than having to actually pay the fine! My apologies to everyone who was interested in the outcome and appreciate every bodies opinions.
Cheers, Nick

[storm vy]

Another update!
I was in the RMS the other day to renew my license and raised the question with them, they informed me that if the car is kept in Victoria then yes the car Is to be registered in victoria therefore i was fully within the law. So both Vicroads and RMS have informed me i have done nothing wrong.
I have applied for a review even though i was late, its all online now and still allowed me to do it, so whilst i expect to get knocked back because i wasn't within the 21 days it was still worth a try. Will find out in the next 21 days i guess!

[storm vy]

Okay so heard back from them today with the following..
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/stormvy/Untitled.jpg
I originally supplied a scan of the rego papers but obviously want proof it was payed. Spoke to vicroads today and once again were surprisingly helpfull, whilst they could'nt give me a copy of the reciept there and then, has to go through melbourne for whatever reason, but he sent off an email to chase it up for me and should have some sort of proof of payment in the mail soon. So i'll send that off and see how we go!

[Micks]

sounds promising, hope it goes well. Noticed the Dudes name "Mick Mioduszewski" what a mouthful!! No it's not me either! :lol:

[Woodchukka]

Thanks for the update. Sounds like they are going to make it as time consuming as they can so entice you to just cough it up.

[Blown 454 AWD]

My view ....

He's full of shit!

Bought the Adventra in Vic, brand new with a Starr Blower Kit fitted new.

Flew down and drove it back.

For the first 3 years it was Vic registered, no problems. (and stopped several times in that 3 years with no issues)

One of the times I was pull up I was 32 Klm over in a 60 (oppps, but easy in short blown bursts)

Coppa said magic over 30 that's a walk, I said 28 klms over sounds better (with a nice smile)

He said, gimme your licence, want back to his car, came back a minute later and said,

you're a bloody local, yes I said, he said vic plate will get you booked for most stops here,

gave me a ticket for 15 klms over and told me to be good, there was no drama about where it was

registered apart from being treated like a Mexican.

And this was in Sydney, no boarder excuse.

Cheers

Steve

[Ned_Flanders666]

Good luck with it all. Are you sure it was HWP though? GD's do run RBT sites too. PM me the callsigns of the vehicles if you want.


Mate, I am ex NSW highway patrol. There is nothing stopping me from having a car registered in every State on my New South Wales licence. Your incident is one of those grey areas but as stated by the RMS there guidelines for registration are not law. Licences on the other hand have the same guidelines and are written into law. You are more than justified in taking this matter to Court. My advice would be to first write a letter to the RMS asking for the matter to be reviewed. If this returns a negative result then elect to have the matter heard in Court.

This is the big problem and why I am now EX HWP, ex police in fact, years ago highway cops knew the traffic legislation inside out. Then the police relaxed their entry requirements into the HWP and every try hard wannabe who wanted to drive a pursuit car wound up in HWP. They have as much knowledge of traffic legislation as a chef does of being a diesel mechanic.

Good luck with it

Really? Most of the cops like that are the ones that end up in court and lose. Never effected me. The tryhard wannabes end up smashing their cars and get taken off the road. For the most part people in HWP these days do it for the RTA overtime ($$$)

[Micks]

Good luck with it all. Are you sure it was HWP though? GD's do run RBT sites too. PM me the callsigns of the vehicles if you want.



Really? Most of the cops like that are the ones that end up in court and lose. Never effected me. The tryhard wannabes end up smashing their cars and get taken off the road. For the most part people in HWP these days do it for the RTA overtime ($$$)

Normally talk in riddles? :errr:

[GTSLOVER]

Good luck with it all. Are you sure it was HWP though? GD's do run RBT sites too. PM me the callsigns of the vehicles if you want.



Really? Most of the cops like that are the ones that end up in court and lose. Never effected me. The tryhard wannabes end up smashing their cars and get taken off the road. For the most part people in HWP these days do it for the RTA overtime ($$$)

Yep. Really. Like I said. It was one of the reasons I left. I was HWP way before ICV, ANPR and all that other crap that made coppers lazy. Back in the days when we used to have to go and hunt for crooks not sit on the side of the road and wait for them to come to us. I dont tolerate fools easily. Unfortunately the majority of HWP is now full of fools who know nothing about the legislation let alone vehicles themselves. I took a traffic supervisors job and spent more time mentoring supposedly trained highway operators than I did mentoring general duties. What finished me in the cops was chronic PTSD and I took an unopposed medical discharge but the loss of the old school HWP blokes and the introduction of the new school losers certainly helped me realise that the HWP and the coppers was going downhill fast. This new lot would not make a HWP coppers ring hole. Shout at them and call them an idiot for stuffing up the simplest thing and they cry to mummy. Guess thats what happens when academics run the academy, sorry it is a campus now, aye. PS. I still know what it is like. I have not been out that long, only since 2012 and for the majority of the decent HWP coppers the RTA OT was just a bonus, not the primary reason for joining. That is nothing now anyway compared to what it was ten years ago. If you only joined HWP for the overtime you would have been one of those I did not get on with. There for the wrong reasons

[HSVREDSLED]

Yep. Really. Like I said. It was one of the reasons I left. I was HWP way before ICV, ANPR and all that other crap that made coppers lazy. Back in the days when we used to have to go and hunt for crooks not sit on the side of the road and wait for them to come to us. I dont tolerate fools easily. Unfortunately the majority of HWP is now full of fools who know nothing about the legislation let alone vehicles themselves. I took a traffic supervisors job and spent more time mentoring supposedly trained highway operators than I did mentoring general duties. What finished me in the cops was chronic PTSD and I took an unopposed medical discharge but the loss of the old school HWP blokes and the introduction of the new school losers certainly helped me realise that the HWP and the coppers was going downhill fast. This new lot would not make a HWP coppers ring hole. Shout at them and call them an idiot for stuffing up the simplest thing and they cry to mummy. Guess thats what happens when academics run the academy, sorry it is a campus now, aye. PS. I still know what it is like. I have not been out that long, only since 2012 and for the majority of the decent HWP coppers the RTA OT was just a bonus, not the primary reason for joining. That is nothing now anyway compared to what it was ten years ago. If you only joined HWP for the overtime you would have been one of those I did not get on with. There for the wrong reasons

I have mixed feelings.

I see waaaaay more HWP on the roads today than years ago. I do know that a few years ago they were used by LACs doing more GD jobs and now they are under traffic yatta yatta, and I know that 90% of the time they are doing ANPR stuff, but it does not detract from the fact that I/we see double the HWP than a few years ago. The question has to be asked. Does 'old school' HWP activities such as hiding behind bridges and bushes and pinging motorist do more to reduce road trauma than being extreme high vis doing ANPR stuff with occasional LIDAR out the window?

[GTSLOVER]

I have mixed feelings.

I see waaaaay more HWP on the roads today than years ago. I do know that a few years ago they were used by LACs doing more GD jobs and now they are under traffic yatta yatta, and I know that 90% of the time they are doing ANPR stuff, but it does not detract from the fact that I/we see double the HWP than a few years ago. The question has to be asked. Does 'old school' HWP activities such as hiding behind bridges and bushes and pinging motorist do more to reduce road trauma than being extreme high vis doing ANPR stuff with occasional LIDAR out the window?

Studies have been done that say high vis does nothing. The UK and other European police conducted them. From my experience high vis actually causes more accidents as everyone slows down to rubber neck what the Police are doing, lose concentration then crash and cause major traffic delays. I would rather them sitting behind a tree and getting some idiot on an over 30 or over 45 rather than that heinous crime of unregistered uninsured which they are only doing as it is a huge revenue raiser for the Government. The Police are supposed to be independant of the government but believe me they are not. The commish has his tongue so far up the premier it is not funny. The only reason ANPR is even around is because of the huge amount of revenue it can raise with the least amount of effort expended to make it. At the start ANPR was a static exercise like stationary RBT but even then the powers that be at Traffic Services were looking at ways to get it mobile. Finally they did and what you see now is what you get.

When I was supervising our idiot boss at the LAC I was at wanted HWP hi vis at one of our trouble intersections for collisions. That will drop it down he said. I told him it would not but he wanted it done so I tasked them there for two weeks. In that two weeks collisions at that intersection rose by 25 percent .

[BLACK 346]

rather than that heinous crime of unregistered uninsured .

So are you saying that unreg and uninsured is not bad?

[GTSLOVER]

So are you saying that unreg and uninsured is not bad?

Put into perspective. It is not as bad as someone doing an over 45. Simple really. Go and see a few bad prangs as a result of speed and you will soon think the same way

[HSVREDSLED]

OFF TOPIC ALERT.

I must not be the norm because I know in recent months I have been more aware of my speed due to the huge increase in HWP I have seen.

Also ANPR is not only used for unreg/uninsured offences. Many a good crook has been caught by such technology.

[XUV]

So are you saying that unreg and uninsured is not bad?


Put into perspective. It is not as bad as someone doing an over 45. Simple really. Go and see a few bad prangs as a result of speed and you will soon think the same way

the logic being that the unreg'd will go slower as not to attract attention.

and just touching on the modern day cop and their policing,

I think age has a lot to do with it, they should put the min age up to 23,
coz if you come out of school and straight to the academy at 18-19,
where you're taught to think cop and handed a gun, then you have no life skills to base your discretion on.

Live a little and see why the people hurt.

[GTSLOVER]

OFF TOPIC ALERT.

I must not be the norm because I know in recent months I have been more aware of my speed due to the huge increase in HWP I have seen.

Also ANPR is not only used for unreg/uninsured offences. Many a good crook has been caught by such technology.

ANPR is only for unreg/unins. Catching the crooks from it is incidental. If a warning has been attached to a plate then it displays that warning but as said a warning, which can only be put on by other police, needs to be on that vehicle first.

Same as before ANPR it was often incidental unless deliberately stopped due to a hunch. Stop a bloke for a minor traffic offence, then turns into unreg, then turns into drive disqualified etc etc.

[GTSLOVER]

the logic being that the unreg'd will go slower as not to attract attention.

and just touching on the modern day cop and their policing,

I think age has a lot to do with it, they should put the min age up to 23,
coz if you come out of school and straight to the academy at 18-19,
where you're taught to think cop and handed a gun, then you have no life skills to base your discretion on.

Live a little and see why the people hurt.

Yep, and I could not agree more with you. The best coppers are the ones with life skills. A 19 year old telling a 30 year old that he understands his problems just does not cut it.

[GTSLOVER]

I think we have overtaken the OP post enough now. no more talk from me on subject. Apologies to OP.

[BLACK 346]

Put into perspective. It is not as bad as someone doing an over 45. Simple really. Go and see a few bad prangs as a result of speed and you will soon think the same way

I was more thinking that if the guy with no rego and therefore no greenslip/ctp cannons into someone and messes up their life, who pays? I do not disagree with your point on 45 over at all. Lock them all up. Oh and throw the ****ers on mobile phones in with them.

[joeboss]

GTSLOVER, As a current member of the HWP who gets more charges than the Ds at my station, I am insulted by your comments about the new breed. Yes there are some nupties out there, and the HWP does attract them, but to tarnish all of us is an insult.

It's not our fault that our section is run by idiots who have never worked a shift in a HWP car and get their ideas from America.

[GTSLOVER]

GTSLOVER, As a current member of the HWP who gets more charges than the Ds at my station, I am insulted by your comments about the new breed. Yes there are some nupties out there, and the HWP does attract them, but to tarnish all of us is an insult.

It's not our fault that our section is run by idiots who have never worked a shift in a HWP car and get their ideas from America.

Be insulted. I did my time and am entitled to an opinion on it having been there and watched and lived through the changes. HWP have always had more charges than the D's. If that was not the case then you did not belong there. Should be going through a F/can book within a month not including PCA's and TIN and RIN books every few weeks or you dont belong there. Sorry again OP, I had to bite at that one.

However I did not say once that all HWP were useless, I said the majority these days. If you want to lob yourself into that majority feel free. You might be one of the decent ones, buggered if I know, I dont really care anymore. I dont have to put up with it.

[joeboss]

Fair enough, enjoy your HOD.

[whitels1ss]

Okay so heard back from them today with the following..
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/stormvy/Untitled.jpg
I originally supplied a scan of the rego papers but obviously want proof it was payed. Spoke to vicroads today and once again were surprisingly helpfull, whilst they could'nt give me a copy of the reciept there and then, has to go through melbourne for whatever reason, but he sent off an email to chase it up for me and should have some sort of proof of payment in the mail soon. So i'll send that off and see how we go!

Any update on this?

[Mr Frit]

If your getting pulled over all the time it's because your a cop magnet. Cops are attracted to easy bookings, like I am easy women. It's not against law to register your vehicle in any state as long as it is garaged there (really garaged there!). There is a fine for failing to change your rego when moving interstate (3 months for rego and 2 weeks for your licence). The real problem is when you write your vehicle off. Insurance companies will not pay if you are not legal and this could cost you the value of your car not just $607.

[Micks]

If your getting pulled over all the time it's because your a cop magnet. Cops are attracted to easy bookings, like I am easy women. It's not against law to register your vehicle in any state as long as it is garaged there (really garaged there!). There is a fine for failing to change your rego when moving interstate (3 months for rego and 2 weeks for your licence). The real problem is when you write your vehicle off. Insurance companies will not pay if you are not legal and this could cost you the value of your car not just $607.

Your easy or loose, which one?

[storm vy]

Hey guys, sorry forgot i never updated this, haven't been on for a while.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/stormvy/photo1.png
So obviously not the result i wanted, pretty disappointing when both the RMS and Vicroads advised me that i had done the right thing but it is what it is!
I could have disputed it in court but not worth the time so i just payed it and moved on, at the end of the day i have saved more than that by not paying N.S.W ridiculous rego prices the last couple of years.