View Full Version : Great news regarding police HSV, performance cams and high flow cats
JJW501
09-03-2014, 11:16 AM
Just saw the police HSV at top gear festival.
Car feature stealth 2 cam and high flow cats with 4>1 extractors.
Police officer tells me car is non detectable and legal.
I have been holding off on a cam due to legality concerns, but I am now keen to go ahead.
JJW
I'd be getting that in Writing...
Micks
09-03-2014, 12:04 PM
Just saw the police HSV at top gear festival.
Car feature stealth 2 cam and high flow cats with 4>1 extractors.
Police officer tells me car is non detectable and legal.
I have been holding off on a cam due to legality concerns, but I am now keen to go ahead.
JJW
Get his name & badge no!! :lmao:
whitels1ss
09-03-2014, 12:07 PM
I'd be getting that in Writing...
You might be asking for it but I can't imagine you actually getting him to put that in writing.:lmao:
You might be asking for it but I can't imagine you actually getting him to put that in writing.:lmao:
LOL yep, "undetectable" and "legal" are two very different things ;)
whitels1ss
09-03-2014, 12:12 PM
LOL yep, "undetectable" and "legal" are two very different things ;)
it is undetectable because of the stealth cam:hide:
Micks
09-03-2014, 12:12 PM
The said officer would have recorded the details of every vehicle at the event for future ref! :toetap:
it is undetectable because of the stealth cam:hide:
LOL for real :D
You might be asking for it but I can't imagine you actually getting him to put that in writing.:lmao:
Why, was that officer only good at numbers ? Best ask his partner then ;)
LOL yep, "undetectable" and "legal" are two very different things ;)
Yep and depends on the officer's mood vs your attitude ....
Micks
09-03-2014, 12:28 PM
it is undetectable because of the stealth cam:hide:
Come in :burnout::nyuk:
Just don't mention it blowing up we all know how that ended last time :lmao:
whitels1ss
09-03-2014, 12:57 PM
Just don't mention it blowing up we all know how that ended last time :lmao:
Here we go again:hide:
Here we go again:hide:
"Don't mention the War" ;)
Jag530G
09-03-2014, 01:00 PM
Just don't mention it blowing up we all know how that ended last time :lmao:
^^^I was waiting for this!
Micks
09-03-2014, 03:35 PM
Surely they wouldn't blow up two!! :eyes:
CLUBRED
09-03-2014, 09:54 PM
Surely they wouldn't blow up two!! :eyes:
LOL, I was waiting for this...
Strick
11-03-2014, 07:58 PM
Saw it there too, I asked him if it was ADR compliant. The officer said it was and everything was covered after by Walkinshaw.
Aftermarket cam, exhaust, intake and tune for all!!!!!
Saw it there too, I asked him if it was ADR compliant. The officer said it was and everything was covered after by Walkinshaw.
Aftermarket cam, exhaust, intake and tune for all!!!!!
Interesting considering Walkinshaw didn't tune it and have since Removed OzTrack as a Franchise....
Number55
11-03-2014, 08:27 PM
I think some of you guys need to pull ur heads out of ur arse and deal with the fact this vehicle is fully operational and compliant. Seriously let it go
Woodchukka
11-03-2014, 08:31 PM
Interesting considering Walkinshaw didn't tune it and have since Removed OzTrack as a Franchise....
However OzTrack was still affiliated with Walkinshaw at the time the work was completed thus it would be covered by Walkinshaw. They just may not be able to go to OzTrack to get the Walkinshaw warranty work completed? If needed that is... And I do mean if. Lets not start that again.
jaykay
11-03-2014, 08:44 PM
Let's keep the thread on topic otherwise it will go the way the others have...:closed:
JJW501
11-03-2014, 09:01 PM
I think some of you guys need to pull ur heads out of ur arse and deal with the fact this vehicle is fully operational and compliant. Seriously let it go
I am stoked that it is compliant!!!!!!
This resolves so many grey areas with ADR, EPA, and insurance.
JJW
JJW501
11-03-2014, 09:02 PM
it is undetectable because of the stealth cam:hide:
Sorry to ruin the fun.....but my I-phone auto-corrected when I typed "un-defectable." I should have pulled this up earlier.
JJW
vy2ttr
11-03-2014, 09:03 PM
I think some of you guys need to pull ur heads out of ur arse and deal with the fact this vehicle is fully operational and compliant. Seriously let it go
Operational, maybe... compliant, no way... No way the fuzz would do a im240 test like the rest of us have to do. Whos heads up whos arse ??
Number55
11-03-2014, 09:09 PM
Operational, maybe... compliant, no way... No way the fuzz would do a im240 test like the rest of us have to do. Whos heads up whos arse ??
And a im240 is mandatory?
GTSLOVER
11-03-2014, 10:08 PM
Even if the mods were illegal it makes no difference. Sorry to burst everyones bubble but NSW Police vehicles are exempt from having to comply or abide by either the Australian Road Rules and all the New South Wales road transport and other legislation. So are the Coppers as well. That is why they can use mobile phones while driving and carry a firearm without holding a firearms licence.
They can run Victorian number plates registered to a Mack truck and 24 inch wheels if they want to. Nothing can come of it.
The cop says it complies because it is easier than explaining that it is exempt and having to explain that 20 times an hour. How do I know this? Ex NSW HWP copper.
The old VR and VS chasers in NSW that everyone was told were chipped. That was all BS too. The only reason they went so well was that they were run in hard, and I mean hard.
seldo
11-03-2014, 10:11 PM
Saw it there too, I asked him if it was ADR compliant. The officer said it was and everything was covered after by Walkinshaw.
Aftermarket cam, exhaust, intake and tune for all!!!!!Are you kidding? Seriously - give me a break! ...Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Tax-man - "I'm here to help you"....
Wakey, wakey...Hand off snakey...
vy2ttr
11-03-2014, 10:29 PM
And a im240 is mandatory?
If you want it to be COMPLIANT by the fine letter of our ****ed up laws, yes...
vy2ttr
11-03-2014, 10:34 PM
Even if the mods were illegal it makes no difference. Sorry to burst everyones bubble but NSW Police vehicles are exempt from having to comply or abide by either the Australian Road Rules and all the New South Wales road transport and other legislation. So are the Coppers as well. That is why they can use mobile phones while driving and carry a firearm without holding a firearms licence.
They can run Victorian number plates registered to a Mack truck and 24 inch wheels if they want to. Nothing can come of it.
The cop says it complies because it is easier than explaining that it is exempt and having to explain that 20 times an hour. How do I know this? Ex NSW HWP copper.
The old VR and VS chasers in NSW that everyone was told were chipped. That was all BS too. The only reason they went so well was that they were run in hard, and I mean hard.
The firearms one is a dicey one, long story short I wouldnt give a copper one of my guns until he showed he had relevant license. he couldn't and he got another one who did have correct catergory (semi auto) and then and only then would I give him my gun to inspect it. Surely if they were exempt he would have tried to make me give it to him ??
GTSLOVER
11-03-2014, 11:02 PM
The firearms one is a dicey one, long story short I wouldnt give a copper one of my guns until he showed he had relevant license. he couldn't and he got another one who did have correct catergory (semi auto) and then and only then would I give him my gun to inspect it. Surely if they were exempt he would have tried to make me give it to him ??
You were lucky. Country coppers are a bit more easy going and generally tend to be General Duties cops. In the city ( where firearms imspections are done by licencing police) or if you picked the wrong copper you would have been charged and your firearms licence revoked for not complying with an inspection conducted by an authorised officer (all Police are authorised officers) which they can easily do. Some coppers have firearms licences but they are allowed to carry a firearm on duty and sometimes off duty without holding a licence. I know because I did it.
vy2ttr
11-03-2014, 11:11 PM
I only did it because I had been told of a bloke up north who lost his firearms licence for handing a rifle to a copper who didn't have correct licence to cover that rifle. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to entrap or set some one up, lol.
Hard to try and do right thing when pricks can seem to make rules to suit themselves
CLUBRED
13-03-2014, 01:12 PM
Vehicle owners have a legal obligation to comply with and maintain their vehicle’s emission compliance.... Apparently....
Wes Mantooth
15-03-2014, 11:50 AM
I only did it because I had been told of a bloke up north who lost his firearms licence for handing a rifle to a copper who didn't have correct licence to cover that rifle. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to entrap or set some one up, lol.
Hard to try and do right thing when pricks can seem to make rules to suit themselves
Whoever told you that was full of shit. Police are exempt from requiring a licence by common law, and the Firearms Act spells out your rights and responsibilities regarding inspection of your firearms. As mentioned, you're lucky you didn't have your licence suspended and firearms seized for breaching the conditions of your licence.
As for the vehicle in question, good luck arguing that any vehicle is undefectable. A defect notice can be issued to a brand new vehicle that's just been driven off the lot. There may not be anything wrong with it, but all it takes is 3 words on the notice: "Check for compliance."
Woodchukka
16-03-2014, 10:26 AM
Whoever told you that was full of shit. Police are exempt from requiring a licence by common law, and the Firearms Act spells out your rights and responsibilities regarding inspection of your firearms. As mentioned, you're lucky you didn't have your licence suspended and firearms seized for breaching the conditions of your licence.
As for the vehicle in question, good luck arguing that any vehicle is undefectable. A defect notice can be issued to a brand new vehicle that's just been driven off the lot. There may not be anything wrong with it, but all it takes is 3 words on the notice: "Check for compliance."
I was under the impression that the cops could inspect the firearm however the issue lay with where. Handguns for instance can be taken out at your home (or place of storage), at a registered range, a dealer or a licensed gunsmith. Not on the side of the road if a copper requests it. You can show them how the gun(s) are being secured/transported but not remove it from the secure storage until at the appropriate place. I do stand to be corrected though.
Wes Mantooth
16-03-2014, 11:26 AM
s59 Firearms Act 1996 (NSW)
“On-the-spot” inspection of firearms by police
(1) A person who is carrying a firearm or possesses a firearm that is within the immediate vicinity of the person must, on the demand of a police officer at any time, produce for inspection by the police officer:
(a) the firearm, and
(b) any licence or permit that authorises the person to possess the firearm.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units or imprisonment for 12 months, or both.
(2) A person is guilty of an offence under this section only if the police officer, when making the demand, explains to the person that failure to comply with the demand is an offence under this Act.
(3) A person is not guilty of an offence under this section because of failing to produce a licence or permit if the person:
(a) has a reasonable excuse for not having the licence or permit when the demand is made, and
(b) produces it, as soon as is practicable (but not more than 6 hours) after the demand for its production is made, to the police officer who made the demand or to another such police officer nominated by the officer.
(4) In this section, firearm includes a firearm part.
[/quote]
Woodchukka
16-03-2014, 09:10 PM
Well there you have it. Don't recon I would argue too much though is a cop pressed the point anyway.
Rat Pack
29-03-2014, 06:24 PM
Well, it's fully compliance but not an operational hwp vehicle. It's a promotional vehicle. It does get driven on the road, but not operational wise.
Rat Pack
29-03-2014, 06:26 PM
Operational, maybe... compliant, no way... No way the fuzz would do a im240 test like the rest of us have to do. Whos heads up whos arse ??
It is compliant in every way. The centre of road safety, those that financed the vehicle demanded that it meets all roadworthy criteria, which it does. Stop whinging and bleating.
Rat Pack
29-03-2014, 06:33 PM
Even if the mods were illegal it makes no difference. Sorry to burst everyones bubble but NSW Police vehicles are exempt from having to comply or abide by either the Australian Road Rules and all the New South Wales road transport and other legislation. So are the Coppers as well. That is why they can use mobile phones while driving and carry a firearm without holding a firearms licence.
They can run Victorian number plates registered to a Mack truck and 24 inch wheels if they want to. Nothing can come of it.
The cop says it complies because it is easier than explaining that it is exempt and having to explain that 20 times an hour. How do I know this? Ex NSW HWP copper.
The old VR and VS chasers in NSW that everyone was told were chipped. That was all BS too. The only reason they went so well was that they were run in hard, and I mean hard.
Part right part wrong.
All police cars must comply with the ADR. And they do. Every SS, F6' XR6 T in hwy complies. The only exemptions are for some vehicles in both police rat etc that carry forensic equipment, crime scene stuff and surveillance vehicles, and those issues are generally with tint for operational issues.
No hwy cars from the vs onwards have ever been chipped. There quick because they are driven very hard.
Well, it's fully compliance but not an operational hwp vehicle. It's a promotional vehicle. It does get driven on the road, but not operational wise.
It is compliant in every way. The centre of road safety, those that financed the vehicle demanded that it meets all roadworthy criteria, which it does. Stop whinging and bleating.
Part right part wrong.
All police cars must comply with the ADR. And they do. Every SS, F6' XR6 T in hwy complies. The only exemptions are for some vehicles in both police rat etc that carry forensic equipment, crime scene stuff and surveillance vehicles, and those issues are generally with tint for operational issues.
No hwy cars from the vs onwards have ever been chipped. There quick because they are driven very hard.
Well I'll sleep much better tonight.....
Rat Pack
29-03-2014, 06:42 PM
The firearms one is a dicey one, long story short I wouldnt give a copper one of my guns until he showed he had relevant license. he couldn't and he got another one who did have correct catergory (semi auto) and then and only then would I give him my gun to inspect it. Surely if they were exempt he would have tried to make me give it to him ??
Police don't have to have a licence. If they have there own firearm and not the issued glock, then yes they do, however, if the police attend your place and do an inspection, and you don't hand over the correct firearm, then you're in the shit. It's simple really. You have a firearms licence fine, providing you have the correct firearm registered to you. This crap about you not handing over a firearm to him because he didn't have a licence, well, simply put, it absolute rubbish. If you failed to comply with any request by any police officer at any time regarding the inspection and safe keeping of, or the ownership of any firearm, would find you before the court. Also, your mate who lost his firearms licence because he had an unregistered firearm, that's his fault and his problem. Don't blame the police for that shit. Blame Martin Bryant. There is a reason why these laws were put in place.
Rat Pack
29-03-2014, 06:43 PM
Just dispelling any myths out there because thee non compliant cars may have been red or yellow labeled.....
Just dispelling any myths out there because thee non compliant cars may have been red or yellow labeled.....
Just to the right of "reply with quote" if you hover the cursor there's "Multi Quote" you could have rolled the last 5>6 posts into 1 .....
Micks
29-03-2014, 07:03 PM
Just to the right of "reply with quote" if you hover the cursor there's "Multi Quote" you could have rolled the last 5>6 posts into 1 .....
Part right part wrong.
All police cars must comply with the ADR. And they do. Every SS, F6' XR6 T in hwy complies. The only exemptions are for some vehicles in both police rat etc that carry forensic equipment, crime scene stuff and surveillance vehicles, and those issues are generally with tint for operational issues.
No hwy cars from the vs onwards have ever been chipped. There quick because they are driven very hard.
Heard the same, cheers.
Dieselman
29-03-2014, 08:38 PM
The only exemptions are for some vehicles in both police rat etc that carry forensic equipment, crime scene stuff and surveillance vehicles, and those issues are generally with tint for operational issues.
Why should that be ok ?
HSVREDSLED
29-03-2014, 09:14 PM
Why should that be ok ?
Of course that's ok. There are bigger things in life than worrying about pissy little things like this. . If you are doing surveillance on Ivan Milat, who cares if your windows are one tint lower than legal...Get the job done!
Dieselman
29-03-2014, 09:18 PM
Of course that's ok. There are bigger things in life than worrying about pissy little things like this. . If you are doing surveillance on Ivan Milat, who cares if your windows are one tint lower than legal...Get the job done!
My point exactly. They nit pick the pissy stuff like this on average joe when there are far worse things to worry about
matthewfnorbert
30-03-2014, 08:42 AM
My point exactly. They nit pick the pissy stuff like this on average joe when there are far worse things to worry about
oh dear... that was not his point LOL
markone2
30-03-2014, 09:21 PM
I think some of you guys need to pull ur heads out of ur arse and deal with the fact this vehicle is fully operational and compliant. Seriously let it go
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx
Its NOT compliant ..perhaps you Sir should read up on the NEW National Code of Practice
Cheers M
Woodchukka
30-03-2014, 09:55 PM
Police don't have to have a licence. If they have there own firearm and not the issued glock, then yes they do, however, if the police attend your place and do an inspection, and you don't hand over the correct firearm, then you're in the shit. It's simple really. You have a firearms licence fine, providing you have the correct firearm registered to you. This crap about you not handing over a firearm to him because he didn't have a licence, well, simply put, it absolute rubbish. If you failed to comply with any request by any police officer at any time regarding the inspection and safe keeping of, or the ownership of any firearm, would find you before the court. Also, your mate who lost his firearms licence because he had an unregistered firearm, that's his fault and his problem. Don't blame the police for that shit. Blame Martin Bryant. There is a reason why these laws were put in place.
The correct firearm registered to you can be a bit tricky when the firearms registry is over 6 months behind. Cop checked mine and was asking for guns I had sold. Fortunately I had the paperwork for the new ones I had acquired (sent from firearms registry plus ones from dealer) that according to his paperwork (which was printed out within the previous fortnight) I did not own! For me it was not the first time firearms had screwed up either and I take from the cops expressions it was not the first for him either.
LS1 forums - tangents abound since whenever this all started!
Really? Internet arguments over guns in a car thread? :weirdo:
Woodchukka
31-03-2014, 11:22 AM
LS1 forums - tangents abound since whenever this all started!
Really? Internet arguments over guns in a car thread? :weirdo:
No tangent here. All completely relevant. Discussing the truth or not behind the statement of a police officer about a car using supporting evidence of what is hearsay and what is fact using other examples to prove a point. :teach: :p :lol:
No tangent here. All completely relevant. Discussing the truth or not behind the statement of a police officer about a car using supporting evidence of what is hearsay and what is fact using other examples to prove a point. :teach: :p :lol:
My apologies, as you were!
vy2ttr
31-03-2014, 03:08 PM
Police don't have to have a licence. If they have there own firearm and not the issued glock, then yes they do, however, if the police attend your place and do an inspection, and you don't hand over the correct firearm, then you're in the shit. It's simple really. You have a firearms licence fine, providing you have the correct firearm registered to you. This crap about you not handing over a firearm to him because he didn't have a licence, well, simply put, it absolute rubbish. If you failed to comply with any request by any police officer at any time regarding the inspection and safe keeping of, or the ownership of any firearm, would find you before the court. Also, your mate who lost his firearms licence because he had an unregistered firearm, that's his fault and his problem. Don't blame the police for that shit. Blame Martin Bryant. There is a reason why these laws were put in place.
Total rubbish hey ?? Gotta love internet fools who think they know all...
Wes Mantooth
31-03-2014, 04:32 PM
Who are you referring to? All the advice from myself and Rat Pack (on the firearms side at least) has been correct.
Woodchukka does have a good point regarding the currency of Registry records though. That's why they're in the middle of an audit at the moment.
Micks
31-03-2014, 05:18 PM
Luvin this thread & the political ones get :closed::yup:
vy2ttr
31-03-2014, 05:51 PM
Who are you referring to? All the advice from myself and Rat Pack (on the firearms side at least) has been correct.
Woodchukka does have a good point regarding the currency of Registry records though. That's why they're in the middle of an audit at the moment.
Yes info may be correct... doesn't always work like that in the real world but... Maybe on the blue and white screen, lol
Wes Mantooth
31-03-2014, 06:18 PM
Oh right, so I'm one of the internet fools you're referring to. Glad we cleared that up.
vy2ttr
31-03-2014, 06:53 PM
Not you, read posts again.
Wes Mantooth
31-03-2014, 07:20 PM
Your experience with refusing to hand over a firearm for inspection should be considered a massive anomaly. I have no reason to disbelieve your story, but you really should consider yourself lucky that you didn't end up being charged and losing your licence and firearms. I'm not having a go at you, it's just an extremely strange situation.
vy2ttr
31-03-2014, 07:29 PM
It was a long long story, but that was what happened. Also believe it or not I walked out of a police station with a mates firearm with no paperwork whatsoever. I know it shouldn't happen but it can and does sometimes.
I didn't flat out refuse, if push came to shove I would have gave it to him. They were not at my joint for an inspection but a unrelated matter.
(looking for someone who used to live at my address). Just that I was setting up a scope on a rifle when they showed up.
I also have no problem with the police. in fact I am sighting in a new gun at a policemans farm this weekend.
Wes Mantooth
31-03-2014, 09:53 PM
As someone mentioned previously, country cops tend to be a bit more relaxed about a lot of things. They generally know that people in the country need their firearms for more than just a sport or hobby do they give a bit more leeway. That can go belly up sometimes but it is what it is.
zorro
04-04-2014, 06:28 PM
As someone mentioned previously, country cops tend to be a bit more relaxed about a lot of things. They generally know that people in the country need their firearms for more than just a sport or hobby do they give a bit more leeway. That can go belly up sometimes but it is what it is.
Dunno about other states but country cops that are local are phased out in Vic, from word of mouth for exactly these reasons. Up in north west the coppers are mostly townies that have been assigned to country, will do whatever it takes to get posted elsewhere and police accordingly.
Dunno about other states but country cops that are local are phased out in Vic, from word of mouth for exactly these reasons. Up in north west the coppers are mostly townies that have been assigned to country, will do whatever it takes to get posted elsewhere and police accordingly.
so it should, plus I could never understand country people who become cops and go back to their home town to police ..... awkward
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